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Apr 17 2012

Marines Return to Being “Crusaders”

In 2008, when Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 122 was preparing to deploy to Iraq, the unit’s commander, Lt. Col. William Lieblein, did something very wise and sensible — he changed the nickname of the unit from “Crusaders” back to its former name, the “Werewolves.” Stating the obvious, Lt. Col. Lieblein said, “The notion of being a crusader in that part of the world doesn’t float.”

But now, under new leadership, the unit is going back to being the “Crusaders,” complete with an insignia of a crusader shield with a big red cross on it and a crusader knight as its mascot.

According to the Beaufort Gazette, the squadron’s new commander, Lt. Col. Wade Wiegel, just doesn’t see calling a U.S. military unit the “Crusaders” as being “politically incorrect.” The paper quoted Wiegel saying of the name change: “It’s a way for our Marines to draw on the service of the Marines before them, and to make their own history under the same name. As the squadron prepared to celebrate its (70th anniversary), my intent was to return the squadron to the Crusader name since 50 of the squadron’s 70 years were under that name. The name change is a reflection of our heritage.”

So, apparently, because it was the unit’s 70th anniversary, Lt. Col. Wiegel decided that continuing to call the unit the “Werewolves” — the name originally given to the unit by its WWII Marines 70 years ago — didn’t reflect the unit’s heritage! This is as nonsensical as the historical revisionists who insist that “In God We Trust,” which didn’t become our national motto until 1956, somehow reflects the intent of the founding fathers more than “E Pluribus Unum,” the motto that the founding fathers themselves actually chose in 1782.

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Sources at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort have also confirmed that the “Crusader” insignia is being repainted on the planes flown by Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 122. These U.S. Marine Corps planes will once again have a great big red crusader cross on them, as shown in this pre-2008 photo.

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While the renaming of the unit from “Werewolves” to “Crusaders” in 1958 was obviously just because the plane the unit was flying at the time was called the F-8 Crusader, and it was all in good fun in that era to do things like dress up the unit’s mascot, a little statue of a crusader knight, in a unit baseball cap, it is not at all cute or funny now. With our troops deployed in Muslim countries where the disregard of religious sensitivities has led to the deaths of U.S. service members and others, it is just sheer stupidity.

And, of course, there is also the pesky little constitutional issue of a U.S. military unit having a big red crusader cross as its insignia. It seems that Lt. Col. Wiegel is having a bit of trouble understanding his own “Command Philosophy,” in which he states: “Everyone wearing the uniform has sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and this oath provides the guideposts of what our country expects in return.” Yeah, Lt. Col. Wiegel, that’s what we expect in return — a version of upholding the Constitution that includes using a big red crusader cross to represent our country!

Mikey Weinstein, the president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), after speaking to a number of Marines, including one from the “Crusaders” who is disgusted by the renaming and is “expecting MRFF to do something about this,” issued the following statement:

“This universally disgraceful ‘renaming’ action by Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 122′s Commander is a literally breath-taking example of a wretched alloy of both blatant unconstitutionality and boundless stupidity. It will absolutely serve as a priceless propaganda bonanza of jovian magnitude for our nation’s fundamentalist Islamic foes and, thus, represents a veritable national security threat to the United States of America. Likewise, it will incontrovertibly, directly and indirectly hasten the maiming and deaths of our armed forces members. To this world class cretin masquerading as the MFAS 122′s Squadron Commander, I ask, has your motto now become ‘The Few. The Proud. The Crusaders?’ We’ll be seeing you in Federal Court, chump.”

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  1. 1
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    What do you mean the name ‘Crusaders’ implies zealous, anti-Muslim history?

    Just like the name ‘Redskins’ is totally not offensive to American Indians, implying a history of bigotry and unchecked genocide.

  2. 2
    Pierce R. Butler

    Like the knights of old, Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 122 have nobly pledged their undying adoration to a fair lady far beyond their reach in this earthly realm.

    Penelope Cruz herself was unavailable for comment.

  3. 3
    baal

    Such a terrible idea. The crusades are still talked about in the middle east (much like the South speaks of the War of Northern Aggression). Might as well wear a “shoot me now” sign for all the difference it’d be.

  4. 4
    busterggi

    Geez, why didn’t they just call themselves the Aryan Nationals and get right to the bottom line.

  5. 5
    godlessnative

    Private military contractors employed at Academi (aka Blackwater & Xe),including its owner Erik Prince, have been reported to have named themselves after Templar Knights and Erik Prince is said to have called himself a christian crusader ridding the world of Islam.

  6. 6
    nomennescio

    @#5: [citation needed]

  7. 7
    Francisco Bacopa

    But isn’t the name Werewolves offensive to vampires?

  8. 8
    anubisprime

    A certain Commander is rather ignorant of the history…both long term and relatively short term.

    Long term the ‘Crusades’ as a military campaign were an unmitigated disaster that threw Europe into turmoil because previous political and social cohesion was shattered beyond repair.
    Many…some reports mention 80%…of the ruling barons, lords and knights were killed and turmoil was rampant while their home lands were plundered by unscrupulous hierarchy left in charge.

    It took several centuries to sort out the chaos…the rest is history.

    Although the failed Crusades only lasted intermittently for 200 years the resulting European wars of boundaries and internecine xian warfare and bloodshed reigned for over 500 years the resulting social structure still echoes today in society.
    The crowning glory to this religiously inspired invasion lunacy was that the Muslims actually won…they regained ACRE in 1291 CE…the last city in Crusader hands…thus ending for good Crusader & Papal ambitions.

    Some folks never learn a lesson seemingly!

    Relatively short term history is the fact that the original and traditional name for the Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 122 was “Werewolves”..where are these command structure muppets educated one wonders…and what standards of integrity and intelligence do the US armed forces demand in their military leaders..any…some…none!

  9. 9
    laurentweppe

    This is as nonsensical as the historical revisionists who insist that “In God We Trust,” which didn’t become our national motto until 1956, somehow reflects the intent of the founding fathers more than “E Pluribus Unum,” the motto that the founding fathers themselves actually chose in 1782.

    Yeah, but as an European citizen, I can therefore use my continent motto “In varietate concordia” without it looking to be a rip-off.

    ***

    With our troops deployed in Muslim countries where the disregard of religious sensitivities has led to the deaths of U.S. service members and others

    It’s not just a matter of religous sensibility: you do know what the crusaders did when they took Jerusalem during the first crusade, right? Calling yourself a “crusader” in a middle-east country is akin to say “I’m gonna rape your kids in front of you, then slit their throats before I eviscerate you“: that’s one hell of a message to send.

    ***

    But isn’t the name Werewolves offensive to vampires?

    Offending Team Edward -or any other Twilight fan for that matter- is fair game.
    Yes, I assume my prejudice

  10. 10
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ ^ laurentweppe :

    Calling yourself a “crusader” in a middle-east country is akin to say “I’m gonna rape your kids in front of you, then slit their throats before I eviscerate you“: that’s one hell of a message to send.

    Even in Israel??

    Besides isn’t that pretty much how they think of Westerners and what they think we’ll do to them *whatever* we do based on their own Islamic religious brain-washing?

    We can’t win with the Arabs & other Muslims. They’ve always hated us, always will.

    They’ve consistently been Jihadists, Islamists and enemies.

    Does it really hurt that much if one group of our military are openly as “crusading” as they are “jihad~ing”, hmm? Maybe it’ll be something theycan grudgingly understand and relate to since religious war is such a huge part of their “thought” process?

    Can they hate us any more? Are we not at a point where we should just ignore what they think since they’re never going to be reasonable and fair to us anyhow?

    Mind you, I’ll admit this probably doesn’t really help us much.

  11. 11
    Pinky

    Something that should make any sane person a little nervous; a Marine pilot flying an advanced killing machine who has replaced professionalism with jingoism.

    People might look at this renaming as a small, “so what” thing, however I see it as part of a trend. The military hierarchy is rotting from the head down.

    The old saying of “fighting for god and country” is being replaced with: “fighting for righteousness as defined by a few people who say they talk with Yahweh.”

    I don’t care what sect military personnel belong to nor which deity they feel a need to worship, but I expect them to uphold the constitution and take orders from a civilian president.

    The adults in this situation are the military members, both of faith and non-faith, who directed their complaint to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

    The MRFF should receive federal funding for the benefit the military receives from them, for example stopping a mid or high level commander who gets it into their head they are a warlord of a private army for Yahweh.

  12. 12
    laurentweppe

    StevoR says:

    In two words I already know that the following is going weaponized stupidity.

    Even in Israel??

    When Jerusalem was taken by the crusaders, Jews living in the city fought alongside Muslims and were raped and slaughtered by the same crusaders who displayed the same level of -ahem- “enthusiasm” whether their victims were muslim or jewish. One of the reason Maimonides did not agree to Saladin’s decision to spare Richard I was because he was terrified out of his wits by the crusaders, and for good reason.

    So yeah, even in Israel.

    Besides isn’t that pretty much how they think of Westerners and what they think we’ll do to them *whatever* we do based on their own Islamic religious brain-washing?

    Ah, yes, religion is always brainwashing: especially when the religious people are from a different ethnic and/or social group, isn’t it?
    You don’t need brainwashing to be defiant toward western countries when you are a Middle-Easterner. You don’t even need religion to be defiant toward western countries when you are a Middle-Easterner; after the crusades, there has been the reconquista and the limpieza de sangre, the colonial empires which did things that would make the medieval crusaders look like carebears, the support given to several pseudo-secular dictatorships, and… well, also the fact that people like you are still tolerated in polite society and have their biggotry aped by powerful politicians and power-brokers.
    Frankly, no-one with a working limbic system cannot see why so many Middle-Easterner still wonder if screwing them over is our collective way of getting off.

    We can’t win with the Arabs & other Muslims. They’ve always hated us, always will.

    You’re over-generalizing: Muslims will undoubtedly always despise people like You, but you’re the only one to blame, mister “Muslims-are-like-Daleks-therefore-killing-them-is-ok

  13. 13
    robertbaden

    Even most of the Christians over there didn’t like the Latin invaders.
    “Better the Turk than the Latins.”
    They weren’t invited. Orthodox Byzantium had asked for financial support so they could hire mercenaries.
    But the Pope sent what were little better than bandits instead.

    Some of the Latin Kingdoms were destroyed by the Byzantines.

  14. 14
    'Tis Himself

    Some of the Latin Kingdoms were destroyed by the Byzantines.

    The Fourth Crusade (1202–1204) was originally intended to conquer Muslim-controlled Jerusalem by means of an invasion through Egypt. Instead, in April 1204, the European Crusaders invaded and sacked the Eastern Orthodox Christian city of Constantinople, capital of the Byzantine Empire. This was one of the final acts in the Great Schism between the Eastern Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church, and a key turning point in the decline of the Byzantine Empire.

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    dumbname

    Avid reader of PZ Myers. Just dropped by here to see what other blogs are around.
    I am a former Marine Corps Officer. My father spent two tours with VMFA-122 as an NFO. I still have an old Crusader t-shirt somewhere from my childhood. Got no problem with this. In fact am quite happy about it. Felt the change to ‘Werewolves’ was a bit politically correct (albeit possibly justified at the time).

    The squadron logos are like comic book characters and shouldn’t be taken seriously. Most living Marines know them as the Crusaders. We like what we know.

    Think I will email my father and tell him (we discussed this just a week or two ago without any idea they were changing it back).

    Am standing by for the comments about how ‘you must understand’.
    No I don’t. It’s a logo we like, deal with it. I love Mikey Weinstein, but I disagreed with him on the Koran burning issue, and I disagree with him on this.

  16. 16
    abusedbypenguins

    Oh, please, the marines were invented in a bar in Boston in 1775. This crusader crap is just that, crap. I spent a week at camp pendelton for weapons training prior to a year in Viet Nam. Behind the mess hall was a large pile of boxes labeled “Grade D Meat”. I asked an officer about that and the reply was “They are expendable, you don’t waste money on cannon fodder”. So glad I was a sailor.

  17. 17
    dumbname

    Philadelphia, not Boston. And you’re right it’s crap. Just a name. A name that we like. Deal.

  18. 18
    dumbname

    In the same genre we have (or have had) ‘Lancers’ and ‘Black Knights’. We’ve also had ‘Death Angels’, ‘Thunderbolts’, ‘Shamrocks’, ‘Death Rattlers’, ‘Silver Eagles’, ‘Checkerboards’….the list is endless… you get the point. Just a name.

  19. 19
    richardelguru

    While the Crusades were an undoubted, not-terribly-mitigated disaster for both sides, it always amuses me that the Muslims who decry them never mention the fact that they were merely the home game of a two match series.

    The reason Muslims were in Jerusalem and Acre (and Spain for that matter) was that they fought and conquered them.

    Jihad and Crusade are two sides of the same bloody coin.

  20. 20
    robertbaden

    Same thing with the Serbs. The only reason they were there for the Turks to conquer is they had overrun that portion of Byzantine territory.

  21. 21
    richardelguru

    robertbaden

    True!

    And the only reason there was a Byzantine Empire for Serbs (or the Fourth-Crusaders) to get at was that there was a violent-ish break up of the Roman Empire that beat the Greeks who splattered the Persians who smashed the…. … .. .

    and (like the famous fleas) ‘so on ad infinitum….’

  22. 22
    Christoph Burschka

    Private military contractors employed at Academi (aka Blackwater & Xe),including its owner Erik Prince, have been reported to have named themselves after Templar Knights and Erik Prince is said to have called himself a christian crusader ridding the world of Islam.

    That reminds me of a chap called Breivik…

  23. 23
    Dan J

    Yeah, just a name.

    A name that happens to have rather obvious religious imagery and origin. The type of imagery has no business being a part of our military.

    They can go back to being the Candystripers, like they used to be. You know; tradition is everything, right?

    Fuck the religious bullshit. It’s got no place there; period.

  24. 24
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ ^ Dan J. : That last line – if only.

    Imagine if there was no Islam in the region. Imagine how muchless of a problem that region would then be for the world and the peopel living there – especially the women.

    @12. laurentweppe :

    StevoR says:
    In two words I already know that the following is going weaponized stupidity.

    So you prejudge and refuse to fairly consider anything I’m going to say before I say it, eh?

    Well, you are entitled to your opinions I guess – however wrong they are.

    I’ll just say you don’t know who am I, we haven’t met and I dare say I know a lot more about some things than you do. I don’t think I’m stupid obviously and have passed enough university courses and given enough talks and written enough articles and stories for me to treat your un-informed insults with the contempt and disdain they deserve.

    When Jerusalem was taken by the crusaders, Jews living in the city fought alongside Muslims ..

    When the crusades took place it was a totally different era in global history. A very different time.

    During which the Muslism were still far from ideal in their dealings with nn-Muslims.

    Today, so many centuries later, it is a different story – well for most of the cultures and religions on the planet anyhow.
    Alas, the Muslims are still stuck in that time. The West no longer believes in Holy wars. Islam still does.

    So yeah, even in Israel.

    Y’know, I’m guessing you ain’t Israeli.

    Ah, yes, religion is always brainwashing: especially when the religious people are from a different ethnic and/or social group, isn’t it?

    Religious indoctrinationis brainwashing, yeah.

    Are you seriously going to deny that raising kids to think its okay to beat women, to throw acid in their faces and murder them to restore “family (ie. male) honour” is okay or something that comes naturally instead of being part of the Islamic mindset foisted onto kids that raised differently – as Westerners are – would know much better?

    Are you seriously saying that it doesn’t take brain-washing to think that homicide-suicide bombers who walk into crowded restaurants, buses and bat mitzvah’s then blow themselve sand all around them up are “martyrs” – virtually saints – to be idolised instead of condemned?

    You don’t even need religion to be defiant toward western countries when you are a Middle-Easterner; after the crusades, there has been the reconquista..

    Which was in Spain where the Spanish freed themselves from oppressive Islamists rule NOT in the Middle East. You really taht ignorant of geography that you don’t know what is Europe and what is South-west Asia?

    ..and the limpieza de sangre, the colonial empires which did things that would make the medieval crusaders look like carebears,

    Colonial empires like Mohammad’s Arab one and its several nasty successors such as Muslim Turkish Ottoman empire?

    There’s a reason the European empires such as Spain’s, France’s and England’s conquered the world – they developed scienceand explored and learnt and developed far beyond and far better than anything any other region’s ever did.

    .. the support given to several pseudo-secular dictatorships, ..

    That are still much better for human rights than living in a Jihadist theocracy. The Taliban are far worse than the Shah. Kemal Attaturk tried to cretae a truly secular westernised Turky but that’s kinda slid backwards since to thepoint of supporting Hamas today, sadly. Muslim culture and Islam is a big part of the reason why, sadly, pro-Western dictatorship (eg. Mubarack, the Jordanian monarchy, the Kuwaiti Sheik) is the least bad alternative for the Muslim world. I wish it were otherwise – but it ain’t.

    (Because in case you haven’t noticed, the Islamists take over when there are elections eg. Hamas in Gaza, the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, the Islamist party in Turkey.)

    and… well, also the fact that people like you are still tolerated in polite society and have their biggotry aped by powerful politicians and power-brokers.

    I’m a realist – NOT a bigot. I treat everyone politely and fairly in RL. I don’t care what people’s skin colour or sexual orientation is. I’d help a Muslim lady cross the road or find her missing cat just the same I’d help anyone else who needed such help. I have no problem with polite non-threatenig Muslim individuals – but I hate & dread their religion and what it makes all too many of them into.

    I happen to have opinions on various belief systems and cultures based on what they do to themselves and others around our planet. That makes me reasonable and realistic – not bigoted.

    So do try to think a bit harder before screeching “I disgaree with you thus you’re racist!” next time ‘k?

    Frankly, no-one with a working limbic system cannot see why so many Middle-Easterner still wonder if screwing them over is our collective way of getting off.

    Utter nonsense. Perhaps your own limbic system is a bit stuffed?

    Do try to learn some history and recall that the West didn’t start the war with Islam – Islam did. Try looking up Osama bin Laden, the Ayatollah Khomenei, and the Arab-Israeli wars -started when in 1947-8 Israel accepted partition into two states and the Arab side refused that and sought to “drive the Jews into the sea” and utterly exterminate them instead. Just for the starters. The aggression and attacks are coming from their side not ours.

    “We can’t win with the Arabs & other Muslims. They’ve always hated us, always will.”
    You’re over-generalizing: Muslims will undoubtedly always despise people like You, but you’re the only one to blame, mister “Muslims-are-like-Daleks-therefore-killing-them-is-ok“

    Blaming the messenger for telling you the truth again, laurentweppe?

    I guess you’d try talking and appeasing a Dalek or Jihadist then?

    You know that’s NOT going to end well.

  25. 25
    laurentweppe

    So you prejudge and refuse to fairly consider anything I’m going to say before I say it, eh?

    I’m not prejudging anything: I’m just so smart that based on the fact that every time you’ve commented you said something stupid, I can say that you’re going to say something stupid before you actually say it.

    I alo told it before to other people: playing dumb, is hard work, and this fictional “breivikian” world of yours where brown skinned people are the eternal villains and you are the galant knight of civilization is unbelievable: you’re not a talented enough wordsmith to make it believable, and you’re not smart and cunning enough to make me believe that your faked outrage is sincere. Making your bloodlust and your supremacism look like principled opinions is simply a task way beyond your reach.

  26. 26
    Dan J

    StevoR @25:

    Imagine if there was no Islam in the region. Imagine how muchless of a problem that region would then be for the world and the peopel living there – especially the women.

    Replace “Islam” with “Christianity”, then switch the region to the US. See: It works just the same.

    Quite plainly, when I referred to religion having no place “there”, I was referring to our US military in particular. I would, however, be quite pleased if it had no place in our society whatsoever.

  27. 27
    robertbaden

    I’m not really sure it matters that the Arabs were muslim before they attacked Byzantium. There were plenty of others that attacked them, who happened to adopt xtianity. And the Ottomans didn’t spare muslim states. Seems to have been just the rise and fall of one people after another.

  28. 28
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @25. laurentweppe :

    So not only are you prejudging me – a person you’ve never met and know virtually nothing about – but you’ve also set up a huge strawman caricature of me too now I see.

    (Sarcasm) Thanks. (/sarcasm.) (eyeroll.)

    I also note that you couldn’t actually address any of the actual arguments from my last comment. (#24.)

    @ Dan J says:
    April 22, 2012 at 11:36 am
    StevoR @25:

    “Imagine if there was no Islam in the region. Imagine how much less of a problem that region would then be for the world and the people living there – especially the women.” -StevoR #24.
    Replace “Islam” with “Christianity”, then switch the region to the US. See: It works just the same.

    Yup. Just as well I’m not a Christian apologist or a fan of fundamentalist whackjobs of *that* faith either isn’t it?

    I view extremist religion that tries to force itself on others in society – any and all societies – and dictate what they do in their lives as a Bad Thing.

    Islam does that even more and even more brutally than Christianity does.

    Why are you seemingly trying to defend Islam Dan J?

    I suggest you take a look at Taslima Nasreen’s blog here or read someof Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s books and works for some insight into what Islam means to the women enslaved by it.

    Of all the world’s major religions Islam is clearly and by some margin the most misogynist – and the only one to condone and applaud Homicide-suicide bomber terrorism.

    Maybe everyone here should try and remember that before saying anything even remotely in Islam’s favour?

  29. 29
    Dan J

    @ StevoR said:

    I view extremist religion that tries to force itself on others in society – any and all societies – and dictate what they do in their lives as a Bad Thing.

    Then why isn’t the use of the moniker “Crusaders” and the prominent display of the shield of the Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici a “Bad Thing”? Is that simply not extreme enough for you?

    Why are you seemingly trying to defend Islam Dan J?

    I never have, and never will try to defend any religion.

    Maybe everyone here should try and remember that before saying anything even remotely in Islam’s favour?

    Which comments were you reading that favored Islam? I must have missed those.

    The issue at hand, which you might have forgotten, is the use of overt religious imagery in an official capacity by members of the armed forces of the United States. This is, in my estimation, a violation of the separation clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

    I really don’t give a flying fuck if anyone in Afghanistan or Iraq or anywhere else is offended by the names or symbols used on our military equipment. If they don’t like the caricatured image of a werewolf, that’s their problem. If they don’t like Christian symbols, or Buddhist symbols, that’s also their problem.

    This entire issue is not affected in the slightest by what anyone might feel about these things. The issue is the wall of separation between church and state which is guaranteed by the separation clause of the First Amendment to our Constitution — You know — that thing the members of our military are sworn to uphold and protect.

  30. 30
    laurentweppe

    Then why isn’t the use of the moniker “Crusaders” and the prominent display of the shield of the Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici a “Bad Thing”?

    Because to StevoR a devout brown-skinned Muslim who gives to charity is a dangerous brainwashed extremists with secret genocidal fantasies while a white dude who shout “kill’em all, Dieu reconnaîtra les siens” is just a peace-loving descent civilized man protecting his enlightened lifestyle.

  31. 31
    robertbaden

    “kill’em all, Dieu reconnaîtra les siens”

    That tale is from the Second Crusade, when the Crusaders were busy killing the Cathars of Languedoc in southern France..

  32. 32
    laurentweppe

    That tale is from the Second Crusade, when the Crusaders were busy killing the Cathars of Languedoc in southern France..

    Yeah: that’s the point.

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    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @30. laurentweppe :

    Because to StevoR a devout brown-skinned Muslim who gives to charity is a dangerous brainwashed extremists with secret genocidal fantasies while a white dude who shout “kill’em all, Dieu reconnaîtra les siens” is just a peace-loving descent civilized man protecting his enlightened lifestyle.

    Not. At. All.

    That is an offensive false picture with no relation whatsoever to reality.

    You really should stop lying and letting your imaginary scarecrow of me take over from my actual words and positions, laurentweppe.

    What you are doing should not be accepted or considered accpetable here laurentweppe. You owe me an apology.

  34. 34
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    FYI everyone :

    Islam is a religion or a religio-political ideology.

    A religios ideology that idolises homicide suicide bombers.

    That denies women control over everything, incl. their sex lives, their ability to go outside, to drive and to even appear in public without being caged in burqas and accompanied by family jailors.

    A religion founded by a murdering war criminal desert bandit and pedophile who took women incl. young girls as plunder and trophies of war and massacred those who disagreed with him.

    A religion that is incompatible with human rights, feminism and is stepped to the core in anti-semitism, homophobia and misogny.

    A religion that thinks if you write a book it dislikes, or draw a cartoon it dislikes or say something you dislike or even name a teddy bear after a kid named after its “prophet” that means it should pass a death sentence on you and all those assoociated with you, hound you to the ends of the Earth and behead you. Oh and burn your books and the cartoon and the publishers of those and ban them fromever appearing again too of course.

    Islam means “submission” and demands that submission from everyone. It wants a global Kaliphate. It wants the “lesser Satan” Israel and the “great Satan” America utterly destroyed and, oh yeah, its Jihadist followers are out to do this any way they can including by getting nuclear weaponry and other WMDs.

    Islam is one of the most intolerant, hateful, ugliest, most brutal, despicable, appalling belief systems Humanity has ever come up with and followed.

    That’s Islam. That in essence is how I perceieve that particular extremely nasty ideology.

    It has nothing, nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with the colour of anyone’s skin. Muslims are white, black, brown, yellow and every other durn skin colour shade there is.

    Skin colour doesn’t matter. (D’uh! But then it seems you need me to spell this out for you because you don’t seem to get it or me.)

    Individual people are individual people. (D’uh! Ditto.)

    I don’t hurt individual people unless they pose an immediate direct threat to me or those I care about or want to save or protect.

    I never judge people by the colour of their skin but by the content of their hearts and minds.

    I do argue passionately against nasty ideas and ideologies like Islam.

    Which is a very, *very* different thing to being racist and hating brown people.

    Do y’all get it now?

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    Dan J

    Thanks for the FYI StevoR. How about getting back to the Christian Nationalism evident in the resurrection of the “Crusaders” moniker now?

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