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Mar 05 2008

Clinton Throwing In The Fucking Towel?

After her strong win in Ohio and thin win in Texas last night, Hillary Clinton made the rounds of the morning “news shows” (i.e., lame-ass fluff shit parades). She said some totally fucking fascinating shit:

Hillary Clinton was up early today, appearing on the morning television shows a day after her primary wins in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island and suggesting that she and her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, might share the Democratic ticket — with her in the No. 1 slot.

“That may be where this is headed,” Clinton said. “But of course we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said it should be me.” She said Democratic voters have begun to focus on who would be the best commander-in-chief.

Why hasn’t Obama said anything about a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket? Why is Clinton floating this kind of balloon right now? Does this seem like the kind of thing Clinton would say if she thought she had a real chance to win this motherfucker?

I’m gonna promulgate a wild speculation, and I am prepared to be profanely disabused by my readers:  Clinton now believes in her heart that she can’t win the nomination. Clinton is willing to be Vice President with Obama. She knows that if she overtly throws in the towel right now, she is going to have a lot of trouble getting her supporters to work for an Obama/Clinton ticket. In order to keep her supporters on-board for an Obama/Clinton ticket, she is going to have to let her momentum wind down gradually. Her comments are a dog-whistle to Obama telegraphing these things to him.

C’mon, tell me I’m totally fucking full of shit!

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  1. 1
    cgsmks

    Or, maybe she wants to see Obama’s reaction?

    Of course, I know I’m totally fucking full of shit and just pulled that out of thin air…

  2. 2
    Anonymoustache

    I have thought, for a while, that it will end up in a Clinton/Obama ticket. I still think it could end up that way if Hillary wins PA.
    The way the delegates are splitting down the middle I’ve thought it obvious that they’d share a ticket.
    But I think that particular statement was a signal to Obama to not to respond to her negative campaigning with negativity; to keep the battle civil from here on in, as the fight will be prolonged and the repubs can make hay if the dems arent careful.
    And, given that McCain will be opponent, Clinton for prez and Obama for veep would be the dem party desired ticket. Obama for prez would still raise all the inexperience issues; as veep candidate he’d bring all the optimism and votes with the promise of a bright young apprentice learning the ropes.
    I’m not saying whether I agree with any of this — just saying that’s how I think it will shake out.
    If Obama wins the nomination for prez, he better start campaigning with a cat in front of his face in many states during the general election, if you know what I mean. If you don’t, check in with DrugMonkey at his site and he’ll hook you up.

  3. 3
    bikemonkey

    Why, why, why-o-why would Hillary want to be Veep?

    Majority Fucking Leader! That’s where we need her. Fuck, any clownass can be Veep…

  4. 4
    julia

    I don’t think you’re totally fucking full of shit. I do think that Hillary floating that possibility might serve to blunt the edges of some of the narrative which holds that they hate each other.

    Granted, I think that’s what her advisers probably think, and I’m not a great fan of theirs, but I think it’s something she said to make things easier for superdelegates who don’t want to deal with the hate coming down if they vote for her.

  5. 5
    juniorprof

    Re: Hillary as majority leader… is it possible that Hillary thinks she can wield more power as president of the senate? While the veep doesn’t ordinarily actually preside over the senate this is just a precedent set by tradition… technically she can preside over the senate and continue in this capacity regardless of which party has a majority. Not sure if I like that idea but perhaps she does?

  6. 6
    PhysioProf

    Unless the Senate is evenly split 50:50, the president of the Senate has absolutely no political power whatsoever (as the president of the Senate).

  7. 7
    DrugMonkey

    Nevertheless jrprof raises a good question as to whether this is constitutional, statutory or by tradition or what.

  8. 8
    PhysioProf

    Dudes, you guys are a fucking disgrace: Article I, Section 3.

  9. 9
    DrugMonkey

    dude, nobody actually reads the Constitution, that’s what we have you for.

    next question: Can a non-native born citizen of these here United States be elected Veep (or Speaker) and ascend to the Presidency should some old geezer President (and VP) happen to drop dead in office?

  10. 10
    April

    I hope so! I mean, I hope you’re right.

  11. 11
    juniorprof

    I don’t mean that she’ll magically be able to vote and violate the constitution, I mean that aside from designating the veep as president of the senate and then not giving the veep a vote unless to break 50/50 ties, the constitution is remarkably vague on the role of the VP.

    Original Senate rules (I think XVI is the one) gave the VP a good deal of power in guiding the debate of the senate and therefore giving influence over legislation. This is largely been abandoned… perhaps Hillary would make a case to bring it back and impose her will on the Senate. Perhaps I’m crazy to think she would concieve of such a thing but I don’t see that it is unconstitutional in either precedent (based on original rule XVI) or separation of powers ruling by SCOTUS.

  12. 12
    PhysioProf

    This is largely been abandoned… perhaps Hillary would make a case to bring it back and impose her will on the Senate.

    Not gonna happen in the absence of a 50:50 split. This is because the Senate would never agree to dilute its power.

  13. 13
    bikemonkey

    This is because the Senate would never agree to dilute its power.

    right, right. just like the Senate and House would never cave on their unique fucking power to declare war…

  14. 14
    bikemonkey

    oh and DM? the Ahhnold gambit is DEAD. give it up already. christ.

  15. 15
    Myrtle June

    Why in the fuck would anyone think Obama would even consider having this albatross foisted on him? That includes Hillary. Fer gawd sakes…. The Clinton do not do second fiddle and they would effectivy marginalize Obama’s presidency with their behind the scenes bullshit. Hell no. Dodd is the new leader of the senante. period. Can you see the clintons as veeps? No way in fucking hell would or should Obama even be nice about that thought.

    And bill clinton already has been floating this and the incredibly stupid dnc clintonistas. Its time for them to go away and play gold with the bush family. Just make them go away so we can get on with it!!! fuck.

  16. 16
    PhysioProf

    Finally, someone told me I’m totally full of shit! Thank you, Myrtle June!!

  17. 17
    Myrtle June

    “play GOLF”…. not “play gold”….. *rolly eyes*

    Yer very welcome, PhysioProf. I try to do my part in some small way ;-) :-D

  18. 18
    larue

    Despite evidence as posted above, yer not QUITE completely full of shit. Close, but not full. *G*

    I believe Shilary is saying this, to triangulate it to be so.

    But it’s soomed. The DNC want to be RID of the DLC. Myrtle is right and rightous about all of us wanting to be done with Clintons.

    And I think, the DNC wants to, too. Otherwise, with the HIGHEST NEGATIVES of almost ANY candidate in history, Shilary could hand the erection general into the mouths of the GOP.

    Nope. We gotta wait and hope, but no WAY is Obama gonna be gamed, nor is the DNC, to make Shilary Veep, or even anything else close enuff to block the New Dem March To The Treasure Chest.

    And that’s all it is.

    And that’s why, despite the hope and optimism and oratory, this is just more of the usual, and the 1% will still get their wars, and munitions and weapons will be our game, and outsourcing will continue to support Wall Street Gains.

    But I’ll take Obama as a blind shot in the dark, over Shilary, any erection.

    Harumph.

    BTW, I think I’ll add this to my PROGRESSIVE favs list.

    So now yer in my five. I’ll call.

    We got a LOT to talk about . . *G*
    (love them Barkley/Wade commercials).

  19. 19
    bikemonkey

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/07/politics/fromtheroad/entry3917679.shtml

    Oh Fuck. I finally get it. She’s trying to buy votes by insinuating that she’d be just fucking delighted to have Obama as her Veep. So if you are on the fence, like both of ‘em, waaahl, Hillary’s your girl ’cause she’s going to give you both of ‘em. Now that Obama, waaahl he just might not give you Hill as Veep so you’d better put her on top of the ticket.

    -of course she’s lying and there is no way she’s making ‘bama the Veep.

  20. 20
    Iron Gator

    She just floated that to fuck with Obama.

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