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  1. gussnarp says

    I sincerely hope he get’s a message telling him not to bother coming back from vacation.

  2. Martin, heading for geezerhood says

    If this is a post-racial society, I’ll eat my hat.

  3. Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    Geez, Martin, you toooooooooooootally misunderstand.

    The US certainly **was** a post-racial society, until some corrupt, vote-stealing sleezeball let a Black man into the Oval Office. Now there’s racism everywhere, but it target’s white guys. You can’t be toooooo surprised when, on those rare occasions when a white guy is higher up the corporate food chain, one of the targets of this hideous new racism gets a bit careless in his defense measures.

    Sheesh.

  4. moarscienceplz says

    What I want to know is, why didn’t his boss tell him to STFU? This goes way beyond even the “joking” kind of racism the assholes normally use. I don’t see how even a racist could see this kind of language as anything but an open invitation to a lawsuit and/or a firing.

  5. says

    “That`s when we hang you,” said the supervisor.

    And this man still has his job. I wish I could say I was shocked.

  6. Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :) says

    I assume Tennessee is now drafting legislation to forbid recording in the workplace as we speak.

  7. zenlike says

    The headline at the source is

    Worker records ‘racist’ supervisor in cotton warehouse

    instead of

    Worker records racist supervisor in cotton warehouse

    as if the racism of the supervisor somehow remains an open question, or a point of discussion.

  8. David Marjanović says

    I think the idea is that “racist” is a direct quote from the worker… but… your point still holds.

  9. Enkidum says

    He’s been fired, both from the warehouse and from the company where the management was outsourced to.

  10. Larry says

    Too bad he doesn’t own his own NBA team and be forced to take a billion dollars for selling it. I bet he gets nothing for his insights.

  11. mikeyb says

    Racism is alive and well in America. Driving home every day I tune in sometimes to my local right wing radio station to listen to callers. I’m constantly amazed by how utterly unconscious people are and so proud at the same time when expressing odious repellent points of view about minorities and immigrants. Makes me better appreciate how men must sound when they express equally odious and unconscious sexist attitudes about women all the time.

  12. blindrobin says

    What? They didn’t have water fountains in 1854! Just going back to 1964 is sufficient for some places like rural Louisiana and 1954 for the whole South. I remember these things quite well.

  13. says

    Even though E.W. Atkinson owns the cotton warehouse and the warehouse even has his name on it, he says the management there is provided by another company. He says he wasn’t around enough to know about the alleged abuse going on.

    Well then what the hell use are you, asshole? You’re the owner, that means the buck stops with you. It’s your fucking responsibility to monitor the people you hire to run thing for you, if you’re too lazy and/or incompetent to do it yourself. Why else would you feel entitled to keep the money that comes in from other people’s hard work? I have no sympathy at all, and I hope he and the management company get hit with massive fucking fines for the settlement.

    Atkinson says his family has been in the cotton business for more than 60 years and they have never had a discrimination charged filed against them until now.

    Uh huh. This is not at all the same thing as saying that this kind of thing hasn’t been going on before, just that no-one could prove it/thought they had a chance in court.

  14. says

    @17, Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Well then what the hell use are you, asshole? You’re the owner, that means the buck stops with you.

    Heh. This gave me my first genuine laugh of the day. You must not be from America, yourself, if you think that rich people have any responsibility here… or in the U.K…. or in France… or in Italy… or Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Peru… in fact, skip my list, and just watch this.

    Come to think of it, where are you from, anyway?

  15. says

    There are shocking allegations of racial discrimination in a Memphis cotton warehouse.

    Somehow, I just can’t get on with “shocking” given everything in the sentence after that word. Crap, it isn’t really shocking anywhere, unless you live in Denial.

  16. Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    Uh, there were a couple typos in the story about the owners response:

    Atkinson says his family has been in the cotton business for more than 60 years and they have never had a discrimination charged filed against them by a colored until audio/video recording became ubiquitous.

    FTFT

    yeah, why do you think no Black employee took them to court 60 years ago? Their radical pro-labor, integrationist approach to cotton farming, and the quick firing of bad apples, made it impossible for employees to want to sue, even when an occasional supervisor did fling racism like a monkey flings its poo? The family’s insistence on full medical benefits for all employees from the day they took over the cotton gin, and the general reluctance of employees to rock the boat at such a generous employer? Or maybe because the family is all psychic and predicted, 9 years before passage, the CRA of 1963? The bias in favor of Black testimony in courts of the Confederate South? The bias in favor of the poor, the renter, the serf, and the unemployed recently-fired in the courts, like, everywhere?

    Or maybe no white supervisor ever hired by the family ever said anything racist to Black cotton gin employees from 1954 right up through last year.

    Look we just have to go with the last one, right?

    Right?

  17. mikeyb says

    Fox has hit a new low. Now they are launching racist and extremely stupid attacks on Niel DeGrasse Tyson. It’s amazing how many right wingers are so proud of their ignorance. They even proudly endorse the sexist “wife beating” humor in the Honeymooners, as the good ol’ days. Anyway they prove Tyson’s point, right wingers prove there is no intelligent life on earth. No wonder that public understanding of science is so appalling. Check it out.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/05/meet-the-hipster-racist-fox-news-guest-attackin/199617

  18. numerobis says

    Tennessee is well aware that it’s no longer 1854, and they can’t legally own slaves anymore. They’re not clear about it no longer being 1954.

  19. coffeehound says

    @ 17, Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Uh huh. This is not at all the same thing as saying that this kind of thing hasn’t been going on before….

    No,no,no! He was shocked, shocked I tell you to think a racist comment could ever be uttered in the South. In the cotton industry.

  20. sugarfrosted says

    @24 One would think given the history of the industry he would be careful not to say anything that could be construed as racist, but nope he says openly racist things.

    I’m sure someone somewhere will claim that the supervisor was just taken out of context or “slipped up” but given this guy thought to bring a tape recorder with him implies to me this happens with some frequency.

  21. militantagnostic says

    From Ibis’s link @9

    But the company owners, Khalid Bajwa and Hardilpreet Sidhu, who have since declared bankruptcy, denied the claims.

    That would be some of that personal responsibility that the right wingers are always going on about. At least the workers got about about half of the award.

  22. jaybee says

    Shit. At 1:55 you can see the name, address, phone number, and birthday of the guy who filed the complaint. I suspect he is going to get harassed by a bunch of assholes now.

  23. says

    Vicar:

    Heh. This gave me my first genuine laugh of the day. You must not be from America, yourself, if you think that rich people have any responsibility here… or in the U.K…. or in France… or in Italy… or Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Peru… in fact, skip my list, and just watch this.

    Come to think of it, where are you from, anyway?

    I’m not Dalillama, but please don’t forget that some people value their privacy and prefer not to reveal such information. Even asking could be seen as invasive.
    Also, it doesn’t matter where Dalillama is from. The criticism and the point is still valid. As the owner of the cotton company, Mr. Atkinson *should* know if this kind of crap is going on.
    Whether or not he (or owners of other companies) hold themselves by that standard is besides the point.

  24. says

    sugarfrosted:

    I’m sure someone somewhere will claim that the supervisor was just taken out of context or “slipped up” but given this guy thought to bring a tape recorder with him implies to me this happens with some frequency

    (my bolding)
    Given that it was recorded, claiming it was out of context won’t fly (I guess I should say is *shouldn’t* fly).

  25. says

    @28, Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    For the humor-impaired: Dalillama can’t be from America, because everyone knows we don’t do things that way here. They don’t do things that way in any of the places in the list, either. But the list was literally everywhere in the world, so he can’t be from anywhere. “All Cretans are liars, one of their own poets has said so.”

    That whooshing sound when you read the post? It was the joke going over your head.

  26. says

    @sugarfrosted,25:

    I’m sure someone somewhere will claim that the supervisor was just taken out of context or “slipped up” but given this guy thought to bring a tape recorder with him implies to me this happens with some frequency.

    It’s probably pedantic, but I am pretty sure the recordings were done with a smartphone, not a tape recorder. Which I think actually indicates that it could have been taking place for even longer, since it required a direct recording with 2010s technology to get the charge filed, rather than technology that has existed for a while longer.
    A lot of it is likely because the systemic racism is still a big barrier and was even bigger the farther back you go, but some it may be because it simply wasn’t possible to get a recording (tape recorders are quite conspicuous and possible more difficult to use for this), meaning that they could dismiss charges as a black person’s words against a white person.

    So not only is it very likely that this particular case is bigger than it looks because it happened enough that the employee decided to record future instances, but it’s also very likely that the company’s lack of charges filed against them doesn’t indicate that this hasn’t happened before.

  27. Athywren says

    Well….
    At least we now have definitive proof that time travel is possible?

  28. David Marjanović says

    (via Freethoughtblogs) #30
    You have a rather silly ‘nym.

    The Vicar (vicar of what? Of no god on Earth?) has previously explained that this weirdness is purely for his own convenience: this way he knows if he’s logged in via FtB or via… I forgot, WordPress perhaps.

    Still doesn’t make sense to me.

  29. U Frood says

    He’ll just take a cue from politicians and say “I misspoke” and not bother to elaborate on how he got to the racist comments from the perfectly acceptable thing he had meant to say.

  30. freemage says

    There’s a word in the stories about this that needs a helluva lot more attention: “outsourced”.

    The management of the company is outsourced to some other firm. The supervisor is technically not an employee of the cotton mill, but instead of the management company.

    In theory, outsourcing is about saving money by cutting back on benefits and wages. And it’s true that most folks working for an outsourcing company make less than they would if they had just been hired by the company where they are outsourced to.

    But I’ve long suspected that that was just the gravy on the big heap of win that outsourcing produces for companies like this. Namely, deflecting liability.

    The owner of the mill is already pointing his fingers at the management company, basically saying he had no way to know what the manager was doing. (Meanwhile, the management company is pulling the usual, “Well, we fired him when we found out about it” defense, while ignoring their obligation to actively set a policy that would’ve let the harassment victims easily report the abuse.)

    Most of these outsourcing companies operate on paper-thin margins. If a lawsuit looks like it’ll succeed, then they just fold. This dramatically limits the ability of victims of corporate malfeasance to gain compensation. Among the many, many reforms we need for this country is a law stating that if you hire another company to do work for you, and they in turn violate labor, environmental or other laws, then you subsume any liabilities for that activity they cannot pay. You hired someone to haul away your toxic sludge and only later found out that the reason they gave you such a great rate was that they were just dumping it in a river three counties over? Congrats, after the waste company folds, you get to pick up the rest of the tab for the clean-up.

  31. says

    @37, David Marjanović

    The Vicar (vicar of what? Of no god on Earth?) has previously explained that this weirdness is purely for his own convenience: this way he knows if he’s logged in via FtB or via… I forgot, WordPress perhaps.

    Still doesn’t make sense to me.

    Because, of course, the only reason to choose a pseudonym is to make sense to you. That’s why we have “Queer Shoop”, “(違う)”, and “Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden”. Right. 😒

    What you just did? Is the equivalent of walking up to someone and telling them “that shirt is soooo stupid and dorky-looking”. An appropriate response to someone who did that would certainly be “f*ck off, nitwit”. Feel free to extrapolate.

    Tell you what: you get Freethoughtblogs.com to figure out how to actually accept WordPress.com logins — something that they claim to do, but don’t, and which every other blog site seems to manage without problems — so that I no longer have to have a separate login for this site, and I’ll remove the part you seem to dislike so disproportionally. Until then, you may consider that string of characters to be either a somewhat transitory monument to technical incompetence or a deliberate personal affront to nitwits.

  32. chigau (the point is that your dusplay name can be any thing you want) says

    David Marjanović
    See. Perfectly clear, no?

  33. Monsanto says

    Yet another proud moment in my home state’s history, and it wasn’t even Governor Haslam who did it this time. SCOTUS was absolutely right in their voting rights decision. Racism is dead and buried in the U.S. Nothing to worry about here.

  34. David Marjanović says

    Sorry I didn’t return to this thread sooner.

    Because, of course, the only reason to choose a pseudonym is to make sense to you. That’s why we have “Queer Shoop”, “(違う)”, and “Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden”. Right.

  35. David Marjanović says

    Oops. I had quoted your smiley, which somehow cut the whole comment off. ~:-| Trying again…

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    Sorry I didn’t return to this thread sooner.

    Because, of course, the only reason to choose a pseudonym is to make sense to you. That’s why we have “Queer Shoop”, “(違う)”, and “Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden”. Right. -_-

    …All of those, as it happens, make sense to me, because the people who chose them explained them, without even being asked.

    What you just did? Is the equivalent of walking up to someone and telling them “that shirt is soooo stupid and dorky-looking”.

    Why do you extrapolate so far from “doesn’t make sense to me”???

    It just means “I can’t explain it any further”. You weren’t here, so I couldn’t simply wait for you to answer.

    Even when I write less than one line, people still try to read between my lines. Unbefuckinglievable!

    the part you seem to dislike so disproportionally

    Why do you extrapolate from “weirdness” to disliking it disproportionally? The person who called it a “silly ‘nym” was chigau, I only quoted her.

    The part I asked an actual question about was “Vicar”. Curious as I am, I’d still be thankful for an answer.