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Jul 16 2013

[Lounge #426]

bacon

This is the lounge. You can discuss anything you want, but you will do it kindly. Bacon. Just bacon.

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  1. 1
    gobi's sockpuppet's meatpuppet

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-17/science-literacy-falling-among-young-adults/4824232

    “It found nearly 30 per cent did not know if humans lived at the same time as dinosaurs, and that 41 per cent did not know it took the Earth a year to travel around the sun.”

    “Back in 2010 when people aged between 18 and 24 were asked the sun orbiting question, 73 per cent got it right.

    But the most recent survey found that statistic had fallen to 62 per cent.”

    …sigh…

    Can we really be going backwards?

  2. 2
    chigau (違う)

    I just noticed that on the emergency plan posted on my door that in case of ire in the dorms, we are to muster at the shop building.
    So far everyone seems friendly…

  3. 3
    chigau (違う)

    that

  4. 4
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    I just noticed that on the emergency plan posted on my door that in case of ire in the dorms, we are to muster at the shop building.

    I’m supposed to muster in the parking lot by the bike trail…unless the prevailing winds require on of two other sites, depending on direction…

  5. 5
    gobi's sockpuppet's meatpuppet

    In Australia the word ‘muster’ is used mostly for livestock – as in ‘mustering the cattle’. So I am more confused now… In case of ire are you to go muster at the shop building, or are you to be mustered at the shop building like cattle?

    And on a bacon related note: I don’t think you can muster pigs…

  6. 6
    John Morales

    gobi’s:

    Can we really be going backwards?

    Most people who’d know the answers would know them as factoids, the which hardly indicates scientific literacy, so the inference drawn from this exercise seems rather weak to me.

    (How will a refrigerator with its door open affect the temperature of its environment?)

  7. 7
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    Too… hot…
    … for… bacon…
    *collapse!*

  8. 8
    cicely

    BACON.
     
    *sigh*
    I remember bacon.
    Crispy strips of bacon.
    A veritable bacon-stack of bacon.
    With scrambled eggs on the side.
    *sigh*
     
    Stoopid gall bladder.
    -

    Can we really be going backwards?

    Yes.
    Yes, we can.
    -

  9. 9
    John Morales

    Apropos, I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who is irritated by newspapers’ (and similar mass media’s) labelling of trivia questions as “brain-busters”.

  10. 10
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    Ah, bacon. The Redhead’s BFF visited last night, and left most of a Turkey Club Sammich, while the Redhead left most of her take-out. My leftovers for tomorrow night…BACON…..

  11. 11
    gobi's sockpuppet's meatpuppet

    @ John Morales

    My concern is the age group surveyed is not so long after leaving school. You would hope that the school system is teaching more than just factoids.

  12. 12
    Chilly -warming myself in the flames

    chigau-I think that’s a timely reminder for everyone to check and make sure that the batteries in their ire detectors are working and that everyone in the home knows what their household ire emergency plan is. My ire emergency plan involves cookies interspersed with yelling.

  13. 13
    John Morales

    gobi’s, this is the internet generation.

    If they really want to know something, they’ll Google it.

    ( http://xkcd.com/903/ )

  14. 14
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    chigau-I think that’s a timely reminder for everyone to check and make sure that the batteries in their ire detectors are working and that everyone in the home knows what their household ire emergency plan is.

    Batteries fine. The emergency plan is for me grab and Fireman Carry the Redhead on the way out. Which door, with or without wheelchair, is all up to the situation….

  15. 15
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    My ire plan is to go hide in the shed until my daughter does something more egregious than my transgression.

  16. 16
    chigau (違う)

    Chilly
    Good plan but you seem to have forgotten the bacon.

    Alexandra #7
    heretic

  17. 17
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    You know, I don’t miss bacon. I miss the experience I had with bacon back when I ate meat. A year or so ago I ordered something that came with bacon and I thought “What the hell? Might as well eat it.” and…. it just wasn’t the same.

  18. 18
    gobi's sockpuppet's meatpuppet

    @ John Morales

    Which brings me back to the education system…
    I had a good education and part of that was installing the curiosity to “want to know”.
    The problem seems to be that they don’t want to know and couldn’t care less.

    “I dunno… Whatever… Unnhh…”

  19. 19
    gobi's sockpuppet's meatpuppet

    Oops… Instilling not installing.
    But very appropriate for the Internet generation. :)

  20. 20
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Oggie, previous thread:

    Do you sleep on a ‘normal’ (well, normal for humans in whatever culture you were raised) bed? or a box filled with sand or ground clay?

    My bed is soft and cushiony and covered in sheets. Hopefully that answers your question?

  21. 21
    Pierce R. Butler

    Since 7/13, every time I try to access a Pharyngula page, McAfee Site Advisor has thrown up a screen reading:

    Warning: Dangerous Site
    Whoa!
    Are you sure you want to go there?

    This site may be risky to visit.

    Why were you redirected to this page?

    When we visited this site, we found it exhibited one or more risky behaviors.

    This has not shown up at any other page, FtB or elsewhere.

    A search on the siteadvisor.com site for Pharyngula produced:

    … This link isn’t rated. Either we don’t have enough information, or we haven’t tested it yet. Proceed with caution.

    I left a brief note about this at said page; no idea what, if anything, that does.

    Does anyone else experience the same problem, or have an idea what triggers it?

  22. 22
    boskerbonzer

    Oh! This article is referring to Aussies. Whew! I’m sure us USians are much better informed. At least some of us know the sun isn’t a star and women who are legitimately raped won’t get pregnant.

  23. 23
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    I have now reached that glorious state whereby I am vaguely citrus-scented, steam is rising off of my reddened flesh, and I am nude except for a towel. ^_^

  24. 24
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    Since 7/13, every time I try to access a Pharyngula page, McAfee Site Advisor has thrown up a screen reading:

    Pierce, I’ve had the same problem at work. What I can do is to go into private mode (IE 10), and everyday I need to enter my FtB login/pw. But that is a small price to pay for lurking & posting…

  25. 25
    boskerbonzer

    @Pierce R. Butler

    Neither Norton nor Chrome are giving me any grief about Pharyngula.

  26. 26
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    gobi

    1:44

  27. 27
    Jafafa Hots

    The night of the Zimmerman verdict I headed to the main cross-street of my city and stood there alone holding a candle. After a few hours, around 12am I gave up and went home becuase the wind kept blowing out my candle and because people kept offering me things, assuming I was homeless and panhandling.

    Walking home in the dark in a dark mood, after a couple of blocks I passed a spilled bag of Skittles on the sidewalk.

  28. 28
    magistramarla

    Pierce @ 21
    I’m experiencing the same thing. All of FTB is showing as gray, rather than green, and Pharyngula has a red warning sign, where it used to be green.
    The DH, who knows a lot about computer security, did a thorough scan of my laptop and found that it had no “infections”.
    Our theory is that someone who hates FTB, and PZ in particular has reported the site, sort of like a denial of service. I suppose that it might scare away folks who are new to FTB or who stumble upon the site. I’m just ignoring the red sign, and DH is checking our computers more often.

  29. 29
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    Chilly:

    My ire emergency plan involves cookies interspersed with yelling.

    Oo, I like your style!

    Chigau:

    heretic

    It’s 10 o’clock at night and it’s still 90° outside. I’m willing to accept the “heretic” label if it means that my underboobs aren’t sweating any more than they have to.

  30. 30
    chigau (違う)

    Jafafa Hots
    *hugs*

  31. 31
    gobi's sockpuppet's meatpuppet

    @FossilFishy

    “The content provider has not made this video avalable on mobiles”

    :(. Talking Heads denied!

  32. 32
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Jafafa hots
    *hugs*

    Alexandra
    I sympathize, although it’s a couple degrees cooler where I am.

  33. 33
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    WTF is it with underboobs and sweating? It is seriously annoying.

  34. 34
    chigau (違う)

    Alexandra
    I’m trying to think of a way for bacon to relieve your distress…

  35. 35
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    Esteleth:

    WTF is it with underboobs and sweating?

    Seems like our design is flawed, eh?

  36. 36
    Alexandra (née Audley)

    chigau:

    I’m trying to think of a way for bacon to relieve your distress…

    If that’s an offer to bring me some bacon ice cream, I wouldn’t say no… .

  37. 37
    gobi's sockpuppet's meatpuppet

    Feel better now… I could play this one:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xljanm_ted-talk-david-byrne-sings-nothing-but-flowers_music#.UeX85ssayK0

    David Byrne sings “(Nothing But) Flowers”

    David Byrne and Thomas Dolby! :)

  38. 38
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    I don’t get to start engineering school this fall. There’s not enough bacon in the whole world.

  39. 39
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Ijoe
    Shit, that sucks. I’m sorry to hear it. *hugs*

  40. 40
    thunk: y'all know ageism is a thing?

    Ugh. Hot here too.
    31 with a dewpoint of 22.

    I want to live somewhere less continental. Horrible even without the underboob problem.

  41. 41
    cicely

    iJoe: *hugs*
    I’m sorry.
    -

  42. 42
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    Thanks Dalillama and cicely.

    I fucked up. When my wife got fired and I quit school a couple of years ago, I took a failing grade on three classes. My new school won’t let me retake them unless I pay for them out of pocket, $3000 or so. They’re glad to have me attend school otherwise… for what little that’s worth. I don’t have any real idea what I’m going to do next.

  43. 43
    Pierce R. Butler

    boskerbonzer @ # 25: Neither Norton nor Chrome are giving me any grief about Pharyngula.

    Do you use SiteAdvisor?

    I experience the same warning with either Firefox or Safari (Mac versions). The clickthrough button works and no other problems arise (so far), but the discrepancy between the warning and the info page.

    magistramarla @ # 28 – At first I suspected an anti-atheist behind the scenes at McAfee, but in that case they would have flagged the site with their “profanity” or suchlike label, instead of claiming “no info”. And I can get through to friendlyatheist and atheists.org without a twitch.

    Perhaps this is the first move by the International Feline Conspiracy – if so, the next attack will come soon…

  44. 44
    chigau (違う)

    The SO’s prostate surgery went well.

  45. 45
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Shit Joe, that sucks. I’m so sorry.

  46. 46
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    Thanks FossilFishy… it is some real bullshit.

  47. 47
    cicely

    *more hugs* for iJoe.
    -

    Perhaps this is the first move by the International Feline Conspiracy – if so, the next attack will come soon…

    Nononononono! It’s the Damned Horses!
    *muttering*
    Nobody listens, nobody cares….
    -

    The SO’s prostate surgery went well.

    Huzzah!
    -

  48. 48
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Ijoe
    I can’t offer specific advice, since I don’t know the university in question, but are any of the courses ones that are offered at a nearby community college? The prices are usually significantly lower, and there are are usually credit transfers that can be arranged with universities. Also, I’ll be happy to look into scholarships or grants you might qualify for that would help to defray the costs, although I can’t make any promises on that front.

  49. 49
    Dr Pepper

    I use Firefox with AVG. No warnings.

    @Improbably Joe: there are plenty of free online classes. If worst comes to worst you have a year to audit engineering. At MIT, for instance.

  50. 50
    Kagato

    “It found nearly 30 per cent did not know if humans lived at the same time as dinosaurs, and that 41 per cent did not know it took the Earth a year to travel around the sun.”

    “Back in 2010 when people aged between 18 and 24 were asked the sun orbiting question, 73 per cent got it right.

    But the most recent survey found that statistic had fallen to 62 per cent.

    Am I missing something, or are those numbers screwy?
    100 – 73 = 27% wrong
    100 – 62 = 38% wrong
    Where does the 41% fit in?

  51. 51
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    I know it’ll be no consolation Joe, but I have around three times that number of failed courses on my record.

    The evidence seems to show, that despite the pessimistic face I walk around behind I have a deep core of unquenchable optimism. I never once dropped a course. Not when I got mono and lost a month of classes. Not when my depression got so bad that I had to be medicated. Not even when the deadline to drop a course loomed and I hadn’t yet done any of the work. For some reason I always thought I could pull it off.

    I sometimes wonder about this contradiction in me: Cognitive dissonance or just plain stupidity?

  52. 52
    dongiovanni (Now onto Wagner)

    F***** if I know.

    @Improbably Joe: I don’t know much about how things work in the US, but have you considered picking up similar courses and cross – crediting? Or is this forbidden?

  53. 53
    John Morales

    Kagato, did you notice the 41% wrong figure refers to Australians in general, and that the 62% figure refers to people aged between 18 and 24?

    You know what I find annoying? That these journalistic news pieces don’t link to the actual surveys.

  54. 54
    cicely

    Well. Fuck.
    -

  55. 55
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    I’m going to try the community college route… I don’t know how I can pay for it, and I wish the university had told me a month ago, rather than admitting me to a program that they won’t actually admit me to.

  56. 56
    boskerbonzer

    @Pierce R. Butler

    No to the SiteAdvisor, but I use something similar from Norton called Site Safety and it finds no computer, identity or annoyance threats of any kind for this site. Also, every once in awhile Chrome will throw up a warning for sites suspected of malware or phishing, but not a peep from it either.

    If it continues, sacrifice a mouse and leave it on your keyboard overnight. If it’s gone in the morning you should be good to go.

  57. 57
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    So, I mentioned it on another thread. Today was the day we put my dog to sleep. I’d had her for 10 years & she was 14&1/2. As a husky, the average life expectancy was 12 or so. She was terribly ill & in intensive care for a week 3 years ago. Every day since then has been a gift (a very expensive gift, though thoroughly worth it).

    There were lots of problems, but none of them too severe. Things like hip problems and nerve problems. Some days b/c of it she could barely move forward and turned only to the right. Yet she always found a way to keep up with me on the way to the food bowl (though that’s not much of a feat, with a gimp like me it still was more than I expected on her bad days). I would have let her stay on for however long she could manage. Partner worked as a vet tech when a teenager. It was only 4 years and was 20 years ago, but she knows a lot. She thought doggie was suffering. There were other reasons to make it today. I didn’t want her to suffer helplessly just for my benefit, but I would have kept her around longer without Ms Crip Dyke’s much more informed opinion.

    But we go, and though she has only ever in her life resisted going on walks during hte last few weeks, when I get her out of the house she enjoys them. She tires after a couple blocks, but she enjoys them. So a couple blocks later we arrive at the vet. She wanders until they are ready. When it’s time she won’t let them work on her. They muzzle her so that they could hold her safely by her head, but it’s not working. She won’t hold still. So I hold her, and she calms. She still resists when the needle comes out, but dramatically less. Because I’m holding her. She trusted me and failed to fight the ones who killed her because of it.

    I know she was sick and old and in pain, but when they tried to put a needle in her arm, she fought…until me.

    I brought her back from death. I read to her every day in ICU 3 years ago – Harry Potter – because she’s a husky and huskies are vocal – they like to make talky noises and they feel most connected to you when you talk to them. But I couldn’t think of what to say. So I read out loud and got all the way to Norbert and Hagrid’s spill of the name Nicholas Flamel in 5 days. I fed her by hand, the sloppiest, stinkiest food while her pancreas recovered. She ate her first food after surgery only after 72 hours, and only from my hand. When she was in those scary vet-places, I was the one who made it safe, who loved her, who paid her attention. She had good reason to trust me.

    But I wasn’t sure it was time for her to go, and I made her stop fighting. It may very well have been the right time. I can’t know how much she was suffering and how much joy she still got from our time together – from her life. But I can’t know. And I wasn’t sure. And she wanted them the fuck away from her. She didn’t trust them at all. And I made her stop fighting long enough for them to push the poison into her vein.

    I just feel like I sabotaged every good thing I ever did with and for her. I feel I failed to respect her autonomy. I feel like I built up that trust over years only to misuse it when it mattered most: when she was resisting death.

    I honestly don’t know if I can ever look myself in the mirror again.

  58. 58
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Oh Crip Dyke. I’m so sorry.

    We make these decisions because we must. They cannot tell us with any certainty what their wishes are so all we can do is guess. Even if you made the wrong choice, and I don’t see that you did, not for a certainty anyway, the love, the doggy joy you brought her was real. It cannot be negated, it cannot be undone. Times arrow can wound us, but it also means that we cannot undo the good we’ve done anymore than we can undue the bad. A faint and fragile sentiment that in the face of your loss I know. It’s all I have to offer beyond virtual hugs.

  59. 59
    Kagato

    Kagato, did you notice the 41% wrong figure refers to Australians in general, and that the 62% figure refers to people aged between 18 and 24?

    Aaaand that would be the something I was missing. Thanks.

  60. 60
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    Crip Dyke,

    I’m crying my fucking eyes out for you and your girl. I’ve been where you are, and I know the pain you’re feeling. I’ve lost a lot of furry family members, and it is never easy. It is even worse when you have to make the call and help them let go of their pain. There’s never going to be a “right” time… it will always be too soon or too late, and there’s nothing we can do about it. The best we can ever do is make it as painless as we can, and comfort our kids the best we can.

    You did that for her. You made her life as good as you could for as long as you could, and then you did what you could to ease her way on and keep her from being too scared and nervous to accept what peace you could give her. I know it is horrible… I feel horrible for you both, and for the sake of my own who I can’t bear to imagine losing. You didn’t do anything wrong. You did the best you could, and at the end you took away her stress and worry, and carried that burden for her so she could end things in peace. But she’s gone now, and you can put that burden down.

    I know you love your dog. I know because I love my dog and my cats, and I’ll be devastated when they’re gone. Let go of that burden, and keep loving her and mourning her without any guilt. You didn’t do anything wrong.

  61. 61
    magistramarla

    Oh Crip Dyke,
    I have tears in my eyes after reading your post.
    A few years ago, we lost three beloved cats in a matter of a few months. One was 19, and passed on “naturally”, but I think that he was in terrible pain before that. The other two were 18, and we had to make the decision to let them go. Like you, I felt so guilty about that.
    I will miss them forever.
    We now have two cats and my mobility dog – all of them around six years old.
    I look at my big guy (112 pound German Shepherd) and I wonder how I will ever get along without him when his time comes. He and I depend upon each other so much!
    Our fur babies are the best things in our lives.
    My heart goes out to you, my dear.

  62. 62
    John Morales

    Crip Dyke, I have much sympathy for you, for I’ve been there and done that.

    I honestly don’t know if I can ever look myself in the mirror again.

    It’s natural for you to wish to punish and second-guess yourself, but I know you well enough that I think that you did what you had to do, and that it took courage to do it.

    Yes, it’s harrowing, and the pain will linger.

    (It’s alright to cry a lot. I did, for days, and this brings the memory back)

  63. 63
    edrowland

    41 per cent did not know long it took the Earth a year to travel around the sun.”

    Even more disturbing: 59% didn’t know that a year isn’t a consistent measurement of time!

    The correct answer, for the record is: it varies considerably.

  64. 64
    Menyambal

    Crip Dyke, you’d earned her trust by doing the right thing so many times. She trusted you to do the right thing. Now have confidence in her trust. You did the right thing. You took her pain. Now let it go. Let her rest.

  65. 65
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Crip Dyke
    I’m so sorry. I know how much it hurts when you have to make that decision. *hugs* and sympathies

  66. 66
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Pierce @22:
    I have not gotten that, but do occasionally get “you do not have authorization to access” when I am just trying to enter FtB.
    ****
    John:
    I thought the point being made by gobi’s sockpuppet is that fundamental science knowledge is not being retained (if it is taught at all). Perhaps I am wrong, but knowing that the Earth orbits the sun and one full revoluton takes a year is pretty darned basic science.

    ****
    Joe:
    Sorry to hear about school. Next year maybe?
    ****

    Just found out today that repairs to my car will be a minimum of $5500, with more likely to come since they cannot inspect more of the interior unless they take it apart.
    And this $40 a cab ride each way to work, 5 days a week is preventing me from saving anything.
    Fuck.

  67. 67
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Crip Dyke:
    I am so very, very sorry for your loss.
    It is rough choosing to put down a beloved pet, even moreso if you are there when they pass. I am crying my eyes out right now and wish I could take some of your pain away, bc I know it can be unbearable sometimes.
    My utmost sympathies.

  68. 68
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Tony
    Ouch. I don’t think I know anyone who paid more than about a fifth of that to even buy their car (although admittedly, the people I know with cars tend to drive some pretty godawful old clunkers).

  69. 69
    tbtabby

    Recently, The Hub stopped showing G1 Transformers and GI Joe at 4:00 AM< which disappointed me, as it was a nice bit of nostalgia when I couldn't sleep. One episode of Transformers even had a refreshingly skeptical view of religion: The God Gambit. The plot concerns a race of primitive aliens who worship “the Sky God,” an idol which looks coincidentally similar to a Transformer. From the start, it’s revealed that the whole thing is bunk, just a means to oppress and control the masses. while an explicit atheist leading a revolt against them is portrayed as being completely in the right. It’s all too rare for children’s programming to show skeptics as anything other than stubborn jerks who refuse to accept that the things they’re seeing are real no matter how obvious it is, and that it’s always best to just BELIEEEEEEVE, for fear of offending believers in woo.

  70. 70
    WMDKitty -- Survivor

    *headbonks* for CripDyke

  71. 71
    Akira MacKenzie

    Going to try a new direction in dealing with my broken brain. Recent re-diagnosis would indicate that I only have depression rather than bi-polar disorder, which might be why mood levelers don’t seem to work for meTomorrow, I’m going to see my GP about getting on some anti-depression meds and see if that improves things for me.

  72. 72
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    Akira MacKenzie: Anecdotally, they might even be making it worse. I was misdiagnosed with cyclothymia and was on neurontin for years, off-label (took myself off it with no ill effects once I found out about the lack of evidence for its efficacy and evidence of misconduct); at one point I tried switching it to an actual mood stabilizer, and it basically turned me into a zombie.

  73. 73
    blf

    Oh for FFS! State to use homoeopathic drug to prevent malaria (in India):

    For the naysayers to alternative medicines, Chhattisgarh government’s decision to distribute homeopathic medicine worth over Rs 2.5 crore for prevention of malaria in the state this year may come as a surprise. But armed with statistics about efficacy of Chininum Sulp 200, a homoeopathic anti-malarial drug, the state government is going ahead with its distribution.

    The government is even prepared to bear the entire cost of medicine and its distribution if the Centre disagrees to fund it under its National Rural Health Mission (NRHM) programme.

    Found via Bad Science, where they also take apart the “study” (PDF) behind this disaster.

  74. 74
    Ragutis

    HA! Crocoduck mention in the latest Oglaf. And I swear the Owlbear sounds just like Jeff from Coupling

    .

    My sympathies, Crip Dyke. You chose the better of two shitty options. She didn’t feel any kind of betrayal, she simply felt you there, like you’ve always been, helping her when she needed you. I hope I have those who mean the most to me near when it’s my time. Hell, I hope I’m lucky enough to have someone around to even care. Absolve yourself, grieve, and find a new pup or something. There’s a lot of critters out there that need love and devotion like that you clearly exhibit.

  75. 75
    shripathikamath

    Oh good, I can plus something related to PZ’s part of the world: http://missionviejo.patch.com/groups/opinion/p/the-accidental-whaaaat

    Or I can rant about the anti-vaccers: http://www.themindisaterriblething.com/2013/07/bimbo-alert.html

  76. 76
    rq

    So sorry, Crip Dyke!!! *hugs*

    Hooray for successful SO surgery, chigau!

    That’s crappy news from the university, Improbable Joe, and I hope you get the courses done through a community college. I’m looking forward to meeting Engineer Joe one day. ;)

    +++

    Yes, this site engages in very risky business. I have even been known to read subversive articles from time to time, which talk about Science, like it’s actually something Real, and not a product of social and cultural paradigms.

  77. 77
    rq

    Actually, it’s a failed invasion.

  78. 78
    Improbable Joe, bearer of the Official SpokesGuitar

    Thanks rq and Tony… I’m not sure what my next step is. I do wish I’d gotten more than a form admission letter all those weeks ago.

  79. 79
    Chris Clarke

    I just feel like I sabotaged every good thing I ever did with and for her. I feel I failed to respect her autonomy. I feel like I built up that trust over years only to misuse it when it mattered most: when she was resisting death.

    I honestly don’t know if I can ever look myself in the mirror again.

    You built up that trust over years because she learned you were trustworthy. Because you demonstrated it to her.

    And this is what that was for, and this is the moment it mattered. And you did her proud. You steadied her to face what we all must, with your love and your strength.

    CripDyke, I can tell you that there is no way out from here without second-guessing yourself and your actions and decisions. This is how it works. The dog passes, her human grieves and examines every decision, every choice. Seven years on and I still second-guess my decisions with Zeke, my consultation with him and my delaying that final phone call.

    You are supposed to wonder if you did things wrong. That doubt is a sign that you probably didn’t.

    And that almost certainly won’t help.

    Please, though, be kind to yourself. Honor her that way: you’re the strongest link you still have to her.

  80. 80
    Nick Gotts

    Crip Dyke,

    Just to add my sympathies. I had the same decision to make a few weeks ago, and I feel the same kind of guilt, though I think less acutely than you.

  81. 81
    timanthony

    You know what they serve in prison? Salt-free bacon. So be good.

  82. 82
    rq

    I like how I typed ‘strata recipe’ into thestar.com’s search engine, and this rather unrelated article came up…

  83. 83
    rq

    And actually, that little link under CLICK HERE at the bottom of that article is pretty darn interesting stuff about raw data from Arctic Ocean basemaps. (That’s my poorly structured and somewhat incorrect summary.)

  84. 84
    opposablethumbs

    The bill allowing same-sex couples to marry in England and Wales has passed its final hurdle in Parliament.

    The government legislation is now due to get royal assent, after which it is likely to become law later this week.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23338279

    .
    .
    .
    .
    Crip Dyke, I’m so very sorry. We were several days later than we should have been with that awful decision, a good few years ago now, because we weren’t sure and couldn’t quite bring ourselves to do it, and I still regret that. I’m really, really sorry it was so bad, but you had expert/experienced advice from someone who cares both for you and for her – it was the right thing to do, and you were there for her, with her, holding her and making it easier for her. She calmed down for you – which proves that she was feeling less stressed, thanks to you.
    All my sympathies and all the {{{hugs}}}.
    .
    Ow, iJoe, that is so shitty. They should have that kind of information available from the start, even before people apply – what kind of administration fails to disclose detailed admissions criteria? Argh. I’m so sorry, and I hope there could be a way round it (I know less than nothing about the system, but I’m hoping what people said above about making up the missing courses elsewhere might be a viable option?).
    .
    Tony, my sympathies :-(((. Argh for car repairs, and money generally. :-((((

  85. 85
    carlie

    Some will enjoy this: Epic tea time with Alan Rickman.

    iJoe – is this just what the admissions office told you? Many colleges have an appeals committee for grades that you can petition to in order to ask that certain grades be eliminated from your GPA calculation, which is what it looks like might be the problem for admittance to that program. Those committees are usually independent of any departments, so they can’t grant you acceptance into the program, but can fix the problem of those particular grades. Worth an inquiry, at least. You’d have to take those classes eventually if they’re part of your program requirements, but if it’s just the Fs in the calculation that are hurting you, you may be able to get them taken out of the calculation if you had extenuating circumstances.

    I’m so sorry, Crip Dyke. Our vet told us that the owners bear the worst responsibility when it comes to making that decision, but that taking on that burden of having made it, of letting the pet stop suffering, is one of the most important gifts we can give them because they can’t do it for themselves.

    Tony, big hugs. :(

  86. 86
    carlie

    Joe – another possibility is that you meet the admissions requirement GPA for the college, but the program itself has a higher GPA required. If that’s the case, you may be able to come in as undeclared major and then apply to the program later after your GPA is up. Or, you may be able to ask for provisional acceptance into the program (which might be needed if some of the classes you need are restricted to majors), or just to have one of their advisors so they can keep track of your progress to applying into the program a semester or two from now. One thing I’ve learned from working at a college is never accept a blanket statement from an office as the final word, especially if they’re just giving you a first pass response per policy.

  87. 87
    carlie

    Joe – basically, check the student handbook (it should be linked on their website somewhere). It should list all procedures for requesting such things and how to go about it. If you called the admissions or registrar’s office they might be able to help, but also might not know all the possibilities.

  88. 88
    rq

    carlie @85
    All that’s missing is the reading from the phonebook, but the epic music more than made up for it. :D Thanks!

  89. 89
    carlie

    rq – don’t miss the comments; read the first few, then go to the sidebar link for it in real time and read those first few comments. Cute.

  90. 90
    Moggie

    I haven’t followed the lounge for a while, so I don’t know whether this is old news, but here you go anyway: Meat soap! For when you want to smell of bacon! You’re welcome.

  91. 91
    rq

    carlie
    Haha, nice! :)

  92. 92
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Eee, I can’t wait to get home and take a look at the video.

  93. 93
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    I don’t miss bacon.

    Even if the unlikely happens and I drop my vegetarianism, I’ll likely never eat bacon again. Piggies are too smart for me to eat.

  94. 94
    Nick Gotts

    Piggies are too smart for me to eat. – KevinKat

    I’ve linked to this before, but it is very apposite!

  95. 95
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Hi folks

    Crip Dyke
    Big fat hugs

    You didn’t betray her. You made that decision for her, because she couldn’t. And you chose to take the pain on you instead of having her to take it.

    Joe
    Hugs to you, too

  96. 96
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Crip Dyke:

    No, you did not betray her trust. You helped her. You eased her pain. You showed your love, caring and compassion. Hugs.

  97. 97
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    *hugs* and sympathy to Crip Dyke, Joe, Tony and anyone else with problems or sads who I might have missed in rereading the thread

  98. 98
    Portia

    ‘rupt

    Major hugs for Crip Dyke. I’m so sorry for all the pain and grief you’re feeling.

    I had a sweet, loving Samoyed who got me through my parents’ divorce. She was put down without my knowledge while I was at college. Oof. Heartbreak. I’m so sorry.

    *hugs*

  99. 99
    yazikus

    Dear Crip Dyke,

    I’m so sorry for your loss. Others have said it better, but you sound like the best of guardians. Such a hard decision, and you weighed it not lightly. My condolences.

  100. 100
    ekwhite

    Crip Dyke:

    I’m so sorry to hear about your husky. I know how hard that had to be. I went through that with my Labrador. Look at yourself in the mirror and see the kind of wonderful person who would sit up with a frightened husky at the vet and hand feed her. She was lucky to have you as a parent.

  101. 101
    kieran

    http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-how-will-you-vote-on-gay-marriage-997136-Jul2013/ A poll to crash, it looks like the iona institute has already been at work distorting this one.

  102. 102
    Chilly -warming myself in the flames

    Crip Dyke -You and Chris Clarke have me wiping tears away. I’m so sorry for your loss. As many others have said, I know what its like to make that hard decision. Its so very difficult to know exactly when the right time is to step in and help take away your pet’s pain. That they can’t tell you how they are doing just sucks. Second guessing comes with the territory of such a difficult and painful decision.You did real good in being there and offering your dog the best and most loving option. Her love and trust in you made the world a more beautiful place and I think you honoured that with your willingness to take on the burden of ending her life.

  103. 103
    Gregory Greenwood

    I just stumbled upon something that made me a little uneasy – a film about the Wikileaks scandle is being released called The Fifth Estate.

    Obviously I havn’t seen the film, and so cannot speak to its treatment of the subject matter, but the trailer that I linked to above seems to imply that the film offers a lot of coverage of the leaks themselves, with what at times appears to be an almost reverential attitiude toward Assange, as played by Benedict Cumberbatch, for his role in exposing the perfidy of the US military and government along with that of its allies, and yet it seems to largely avoid the issue of the rape allegations against Assange. There are however, references to a p[lan by the nUS administration to smear Assange – the term used is an intent to ‘crush’ him. Here is hoping that we aren’t going to see a cinematic hatchet-job done on the women who accuse Assange of rape by means of the film implying that it was all some evil conspiracy by the American government to discredit Assange, as many of his supporters assert.

    Perhaps I am just being paranoid, but given how deeply entrenched misogyny is within the Hollywood studio culture, such an outcome would not really come as much of a surprise.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I would like to add my condolences to Crip Dyke. I understand the feeling of second guessing your decision to end the suffering of a much loved pet, but you did what you had to do. There is the issue of the pet’s quality of life to consider. You had to make the agonising decision of determining when the level of pain and incapacity being endured outweighed the value of trying to extend life, and you made the right call, as hard as it may be to see that right now.

  104. 104
    Mobius

    Bacon…

    Proof there is no benevolent god. Only a capricious, cruel and evil god would create something like bacon that tastes SO good, yet is SO bad for you.

  105. 105
    cicely

    *hugs* and sympathy for Crip Dyke. I’m sorry to hear about your dog.
    Sometimes, all available decisions are just various shades of Suck, and there is no good answer.
    -
    Tony: Ouch!
    *hugs*
    -

  106. 106
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    @Crip Dyke:

    *many hugs*

    @Gregory:

    I wouldn’t be surprised.

  107. 107
    David Marjanović

    *so many hugs for Crip Dyke and iJoe*

    *hooray for vaguely citrus-scented Esteleth…?*

    The new and ‘improved’ Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe has just reminded me that glucosamine doesn’t have any effect on joint troubles in humans.

    Should I be upset that my vet recommends speciality food with glucosamine among other stuff for my cat with hip and shoulder dysplasia and arthritis?

    Use Teh Gugel, and if that doesn’t clear it up, ask the vet.

    A poll to crash, it looks like the iona institute has already been at work distorting this one.

    Against: 45 % (1577)
    In favour: 45 % (1571)
    Undecided: 8 % (287)

  108. 108
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    I’ve had a few hours and some sleep.

    I’m feeling somewhat better now, and your words are no small part of that.

    I have to cook for the littles, and Ms Crip Dyke’s parent’s are in town, so I have to find them coffee in a tea household, but I wanted to take the time to thank everyone and let you know I’m no longer in complete collapse. Probably a better response later, but with the kids’ grandparents in town, time will be scant.

  109. 109
    Portia

    I hope that you can find some comfort in family time. *hugs*

    I need more coffee myself.

  110. 110
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    We are continuing the war on fleas. We shampooed our 30-pound cat, Dust, two nights ago and pulled about 100 fleas off of him. All carpets and cloth are removed from the kitchen — he is confined there until we have the fleas beaten back. I keep walking through the house slowly, taking a step and waiting for the feel of a flea on my ankle, and then spraying the area if there is even one.

    Dust seems depressed. Since Oreo died, he has spent a great deal of time trying to hide. Even ignoring his food. He is starting to come out of it. Not sure how much is from not having a second cat around and how much of it is the fucking heat.

  111. 111
    Jacob Schmidt

    Hello, what’s this?

  112. 112
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Ogvorbis:
    My battle is continuing as well. I just combed 25-30 of those fuckers of my lab mix, Krystal and a few off the cats. Our house is an older home, with full carpeting throughout, so pulling it up is no easy feat. Plus we are just renters.
    Oh, and you feel them on your legs? I have scan my ankles and feet before bed every night.

  113. 113
    David Marjanović

    Donate.

  114. 114
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    *hugs* for Crip Dyke. (BTW, plz check your email!)

    iJoe, I’m going to second what Carlie said, as well as the suggestions re: community colleges.

  115. 115
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Jacob:
    I keep getting a 404-page not found message when clicking on the ‘hello world’ link. Oh well, I am sure the full blog will be up shortly.

  116. 116
    yazikus

    Tony,

    Our house is an older home, with full carpeting throughout, so pulling it up is no easy feat. Plus we are just renters.

    My home is 1940′s, however, I think it was fully carpeted in the 70′s. It had kitchen carpet when we moved in. Kitchen carpet. So gross! Every time anything spilled (and immediately disappeared into the orange and brown print) we would be like “Carpet in the kitchen!”. When we finally tore it out the ants were terribly offended.
    -
    Next to go will be the living room carpet, but the hardwood underneath needs re-finished, which will take time and money. So, it may be a while.
    -
    tl;dr
    I sympathize with carpet and creature woes.

  117. 117
    cicely

    “Kitchen carpet”. Them’s cussin’ words. So’s “bathroom carpet”; overflow the toilet just one time, and see if you don’t agree.
    -

  118. 118
    randay

    Jafafa Hot # 27, I have been involved in the threads about the Martin murder, but it is rather disappointing how many Zimmerman defenders there are. I gave the following comment which no one seemed to care about:

    “A little history. Between 1882 and 1930, at least 250 blacks were lynched in Florida. Amazingly in 1899, two were lynched for having “aided in lynching”. How do you figure that one out?

    Most were accused of heinous crimes, but between accusation and guilt there is a big step.

    One accusation was “in company of a white woman”. Another for “giving evidence”. Yet another for “refused information”. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    Several accusations are “unknown”, one even “no offense”, and a black woman lynched by “mistaken identity” and a man for “race hatred”. Another one hard to figure. A couple were accused of “moonshining”, as if no good ole boy rednecks didn’t moonshine.

    http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fltttp/lynchings.htm

    Thanks Florida for legalizing lynching, which wasn’t even the case when the above events happened.”
    _____

    As to the earth, dinosaurs, and humans, I, an old retired geezer, learned about those things in primary school. I am astonished that schools are now that bad.
    ______

    As to software problems. I use the free versions of AVG and ZoneAlarm and don’t have any problems. Sometimes though Thunderbird decides to classify something as Junk though I have received dozens of messages from the site before. Also that last few upgrades on Firefox suck. Several sites are no longer displayed correctly, like patheos and Youtube.

  119. 119
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @David –

    Did you see my reply to you in the Younge thread?

    =======
    While I appreciate everyone’s thoughts, I wanted to give a shout to a couple that were most helpful to my idiosyncratic brain:

    Menyambal

    She trusted you to do the right thing. Now have confidence in her trust.

    WMDkitty:
    *headbonks*

    Chris Clark:

    You built up that trust over years because she learned you were trustworthy. Because you demonstrated it to her.

    And this is what that was for, and this is the moment it mattered. And you did her proud. You steadied her to face what we all must,

    I don’t know if these are the wisest or most insightful or most beautiful or whatever. The love each of you put in to your thoughts to me is absolutely equally valid and valuable. But I wanted you 3 to know that these are words I’ll come back to. Even if it’s not for any intrinsic value and it’s all just unique to weird ol’ me, I wanted you to have some extra thanks for effectiveness, regardless of equal effort.
    =========

    I also want to reflect back sympathy to everyone else who has faced this. I have literally never had to do it before – at age 40, wow, how did I avoid it? – and right now I’m shuddering with the thought of having to do it twice in quick succession, as with magistramarla.

    My thoughts are a mess, and not very individualized, but I send out general sympathy.
    ==========

    As for iJoe –

    my early academic record was a mess, for reasons traceable to individual weakness, disability, abuse history, whatever. When I went back to school on my own terms, I put together a record that made one of the best law schools in the world want me.

    I can’t say you will do it. I can’t say it will be easy. But I can say that you can do it, and that if the costs are worth it to you, I expect to see things with your name on the plaque someday.

  120. 120
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    Oh, and btw:

    Is there a better name for an engineering firm than


    Improbable Engineering

    Now **that’s** a firm I would support.

  121. 121
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Improbable Engineering

    Is that the firm of Messrs. F. Gehry and F. L. Wright?

  122. 122
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Reading the Gary Younge thread, I am appalled at that racist troll. Is there any way that PZ/Chris could be alerted? He doesn’t seem to have added anything to the conversation other than bilge…

  123. 123
    PZ Myers

    You can always email me with specifics.

    One problem is that right now I’m inundated with fucking racist email — that Zimmerman acquittal has really emboldened a lot of assholes.

  124. 124
    blf

    Can you pass a test for five year olds? (One question requires audio (sound).)

  125. 125
    blf

    Some vin suitable for a mildly deranged pengion, French police investigate suspected bomb attack by militant winegrowers: It’s LOUD!

  126. 126
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Esteleth:
    Ae you referring to the latest racist (guyincognito)? We had our share in that thread. What kills me are the people who refer to Martins ‘suspicious activity’. They may as well have white pointy sheets as their gravatar (which Chris mentioned which great wit)

  127. 127
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Which=with

    Sigh

  128. 128
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    cicely @117:
    Howzabout just carpet in general…

  129. 129
    cicely

    I am as smart as a smart (or lucky) 5 year old!
    :)
    -
    Tony @128:
    As far as carpet in general, it depends on the carpet, and the circumstances. But to deliberately carpet the two rooms where unpleasant consequences are inevitable takes a speshul kinda stoopid.
    Now, in my house I’m inclined to say that the presence of wall-to-wall carpeting is unfortunate…because the cats are fully qualified to hork up hairballs, and just generally barf, on the carpet in any room in the house, without fear or favor.
    -

  130. 130
    magistramarla

    Hey folks- I’m here to rant a bit to people who will understand.
    My 14 yr old grandson is taking his health class online this summer, and I’ve been designated the adult to help him with it. I’ve just finished pre-reading the sex-ed chapter and I’m ANGRY!
    This is Texas, so the whole thing is abstinence-focused.
    There are several pages with scary descriptions of STDs.
    There are several pages talking about abstinence and how to say NO in several ways.
    There is a two-page description of a healthy pregnancy.
    There is a two-page discussion of sexual harassment, with a scary description of punishments for statutory rape.
    There is a very brief, less than one page description of contraception, and one has to click to download it – it isn’t even part of the regular text of the course. Mostly, this discussion emphasizes how often contraception doesn’t work.
    And, here’s a quote directly from the text – “Contrary to popular belief inspired by our culture, there is no such thing as safe sex”.
    Grrr – this is why we have so many teen pregnancies and kids who don’t understand how to avoid them or STDs. It simply doesn’t make sense to me to just scare the kids with details about all of this and then to not give them honest solutions, knowing that just telling them to abstain is NOT working.
    Right now, the grandson is napping after swim practice, but when he wakes up, we’re going to read that unit, and then I’m going to give him some useful information about contraception.
    I’m also going to inform him of something that the book leaves out – that sex can be fun and for recreation. The book just makes it all sound so grim – that pisses me off!
    Rant done – I’m off to do some research for useful sites.

  131. 131
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    PZ:

    …that Zimmerman acquittal has really emboldened a lot of assholes.

    Yeah. And just when I was starting to frequent Pharyngula a bit more.

    I am sofa king tired. Physically, mentally, and emotionally drained.

  132. 132
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    magistramarla,

    There’s a fight over health education in my country right now too. A fairly good program was pushed by the health minister, but it failed thanks to the Catholics. After a public debate, something that will “promote natural ways of avoiding pregnancy” and won’t “describe homosexuality as an affirmative thing” has been reported to have passed.

    In today’s news: a teenage girl suffocated her newborn, mother who claims to not have known about the pregnancy took her too the emergency room because the girl was bleeding heavily after giving birth by herself.

    Who needs health education?

  133. 133
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    magistramarla:
    Sounds like your grandson is fortunate to have your help at an important time in his life.

    At a guess, there is probably no mention of consent ?

  134. 134
    magistramarla

    Beatrice,
    I’m not sure in which country you are, but I just found a great series that is produced in Britain, called The Sex Education show. It looks like it is a lot more frank with the kids than anything here in the US.
    I also found a good site called Teen’s Health that I’m going to steer him toward.

    Tony – Thanks for reminding me of that. Of course, his text doesn’t mention it. I will.

    Grandpa has a biology degree, so I’m sure that he will also be a willing resource, if our grandson feels more comfortable talking to him. His step-dad is a child psychologist, and he and my daughter have already “added” to his middle school health class. The only people who won’t talk frankly to him are his Dad and step-mom (who is a nurse, but is a fundi!) Kids in our family get told the truth and learn to be much more tolerant of others than the kids around them.

  135. 135
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    @magistramarla:

    At least they touch on sexual harrassment…

  136. 136
    Lynna, OM

    Horned ceratopsid dinosaurs, the family that includes the familiar triceratops, are famous for their oversized noses, but a specimen recovered in southern Utah’s Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument takes this facial proboscis to new lengths.

    Previously unknown to science, the specimen formally earned a species name Wednesday as the Natural History Museum of Utah unveiled the fossilized remains. The research team led by Scott Sampson — aka Dr. Scott of public television’s “Dinosaur Train” — dubbed the creature in honor of the monument’s paleontologist Alan Titus….

    What’s not to like? Big-nose-horn-face, Nasutoceratops titusi. Nice.
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56603694-78/museum-utah-nasutoceratops-loewen.html.csp

  137. 137
    Pierce R. Butler

    Update: my McAfee SiteAdvisor problem with anything Pharyngulish has quietly disappeared. Maybe my query to siteadvisor.com did some good?

    However, my landline voicephone no longer works (no dial tone, just white noise). I count that as further evidence for the International Feline Conspiracy hypothesis (if they were happy, my voiceline would purr).

    Also, now I get an “ABE denial” when trying to load any pages from FtB’s Butterlies and Wheels. I wonder if this would go away if Ophelia B were to post a cute-kitty pic or two…

  138. 138
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    magistramarla,

    It’s great that you’re looking for educational materials for your grandson. He’s lucky to have you..

  139. 139
    Lynna, OM

    Moment of Mormon Madness, political category:

    The idea of forcing children to attend school is outdated and should be scrapped in favor of a system that encourages learning by choice, state Sen. Aaron Osmond said in calling for an end to compulsory education in Utah….

    “In a country founded on the principles of personal freedom and unalienable rights, no parent should be forced by the government to send their child to school under threat of fines and jail time,” he wrote….

    To teach children at home, parents are required to file an annual affidavit with the school district in which they reside, pledging to instruct them in the same subjects taught in public school for the same length of time. The state does not require testing for those students, inspect home-school curriculum or police whether the affidavits are filed.

    The Home School Legal Defense Association considers Utah a “low-regulation” state…..

    Salt Lake Tribune link.

    From Mr. Osmond’s biography: Aaron Osmond was born and raised in Provo, Utah. He served a two-year mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Rome, Italy. He received a B.S. in Business Management from the University of Phoenix…

    Osmond is a member of one of the most famous mormon families, the one that fledged Donny and Marie.

  140. 140
    Lynna, OM

    Oh, yeah, one more note to add to my post @139: The public education system in Utah is currently the lowest-funded in the entire country in terms of per-pupil spending.

    But, yes, it could get worse.

  141. 141
    blf

    This is that Australian factoid quiz, Basic science quiz: do you know your facts?. As others have observed, many of the questions are basically trivia, albeit not of the “singer of song X” variety. I didn’t know the answer to one of the factoids, and so had to reason it out.

    Combined with the above 5 year-old quiz, I’m a perfect “science brat”. Reality is a bit — Ok, quite a bit — different…

    And The Grauniad’s report on Nasutoceratops titusi, the horned cow, Newly discovered dinosaur Nasutoceratops had cow-like horns:

    Dinosaur had horns that pointed nearly straight forwards, giving impression of an especially large, non-mammalian cow

    …[It is a] ceratopsian, or horned, dinosaurs that include famous animals like Triceratops and Protoceratops. In this case the new animal, Nasutoceratops, is already known from a number of specimens including a near-complete skull which is a real boon for researchers. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the ceratopsians are largely separated out by the number, shape and size of their horns and frills on their heads, with the rest of the animals being relatively conservative (rather like modern deer or antelope) so a complete skull contains a lot of useful data.

    Nasutoceratops means “big-nosed horned face” with the first part of that relating to the especially large snout of the new beast. While not especially long, it is very tall and rounded and quite distinct from its near relatives. Although the snout is large this doesn’t give it any advantages in the scent department as the actual nostril is not especially large and the parts of the brain that deal with smell are not enlarged either. Even though the nose is responsible for the name, perhaps the most notable feature are the main horns. In most ceratopsians these point mostly up and away from the eyes, but in Nasutoceratops these stick nearly straight forwards and do rather give the impression that it is like an especially large and non-mammalian cow.

    The mildly deranged penguin has heard a rumour that cows are sometimes involved with cheese. Whilst obviously nonsense — cheeses are plants (there are vast cheese plantations in Atlantis) — she does wonder what sort of cheeses Nasutoceratops would grow? With those horns, perhaps cheeses that fight back?

  142. 142
    Lynna, OM

    Matt Taibbi takes David Brooks to task for being, well, stupid about statistics, stupid about the job market, stupid about poor people, stupid about the unemployed, etc.

    Taibbi doesn’t call it “mansplaining,” but Brooks is basically mansplaining why 50 year old white guys can’t get a job — and it’s not their fault.

  143. 143
    cicely

    With those horns, perhaps cheeses that fight back?

    Horace’s distant progenitors?
    -

  144. 144
    rq

    Maybe it is the cats, and not the horses….

  145. 145
    Lynna, OM

    blf @141, I think you may have just caused an acute pain experience for David Marjanović.

    Cheeses!

    To be fair, we can trace the source of the pain to The Grauniad’s report.

  146. 146
    rq

    This HPV vaccine expose starts well, what with pointing out that not all risks are known… But by the end, it descends into the ordinary loud cries of Vaccines are bad!!!.

  147. 147
    blf

    And now from the Department of Insulting Lies for Magic Sky Faeries, Taliban’s letter to Malala Yousafzai: this is why we tried to kill you:

    Adnan Rasheed tells schoolgirl she was targeted because Taliban believed she was running smear campaign

    A senior member of the Pakistani Taliban has written an open letter to Malala Yousafzai … expressing regret that he didn’t warn her before the attack, but claiming that she was targeted for maligning the insurgents.

    Adnan Rasheed, who was convicted for his role in a 2003 assassination attempt on the country’s then-president Pervez Musharraf, did not apologise for the attack, which left Malala gravely wounded, but said he found it shocking.

    Last week, she celebrated her 16th birthday by delivering a defiant speech at the United Nations in New York, in which she called on world leaders to provide free schooling for all children.

    In the letter, Rasheed claimed that Malala was not targeted for her efforts to promote education, but because the Taliban believed she was running a “smearing campaign” against it.

    “You have said in your speech yesterday that pen is mightier than sword,” Rasheed wrote, referring to Malala’s UN speech, “so they attacked you for your sword not for your books or school.”

    The rambling four-page letter, in patchy English, citing Bertrand Russell, Henry Kissinger and historian Thomas Macaulay, was released to media organisations in Pakistan.

    In it, Rasheed … advises Malala to return to Pakistan, join a female Islamic seminary and advocate the cause of Islam.

    He admitted that the Taliban are “blowing up” schools, but justified the attacks on the grounds that the Pakistani army and the paramilitary Frontier Corps use schools as hideouts.

    Hundreds of schools have been targeted in Pakistan’s north-west: activists say some had been used by the military, but many attacks were motivated by the Taliban’s opposition to girls’ education.

    The Taliban commander also justified recent attacks in Pakistan on health workers vaccinating children against polio by claiming the west was trying to sterilise Muslims.

    The letter is clearly intended to influence opinion in Pakistan: although in much of the world Malala has been hailed as a symbol of courage, at home she has been the subject of intense criticism and vilification. …

  148. 148
    Lynna, OM

    This story comes from an apparently infinite stock of banking shenanigans designed to rip you off.

    Excerpt:

    …a former J.P. Morgan assistant vice president, Linda Almonte, who alleged that employees known as “attorney liaisons” signed “multiple stacks of affidavits” without looking at the underlying documentation. She alleged that 11,472 out of 23,000 cases in one portfolio, or 50%, were “missing adequate documentation.”…

    The story is actually far worse than is being described in the papers. It involves allegations of a rather complicated scam tied to secondary sales of credit-card debt – it’s easier to sell credit card debt when a judgment has already been obtained, so it seems companies like Chase will go to great lengths, including mass robosigning and other abuses, to obtain judgments.

    Chase is the headline target of these new investigations, but most analysts believe the same exact things go on at other banks and credit companies. Once the bigger state lawsuits gain momentum, we’re likely to find out, as we did in the foreclosure scandals, that faulty paperwork and perjured/robosigned affidavits pervade the entire consumer debt industry. Somehow I don’t think it will result in a $26 billion settlement this time, however.

    Jamie Dimon and other global banksters at it again.

  149. 149
    Lynna, OM

    Well, this is surely a sign of the end of the world. Corruption has invaded all levels of human society. Even rhythmic gymnastics.

    What?! We thought rhythmic gymnastics was pure, chaste, and too silly to invite corruption. We were wrong. The judges bench harbors cheaters and doofuses, doofuses that are too dumb to hide their cheating.

    There are tests for the coveted spots of judge for Olympic events. Really, the prospective judges can’t pass the test without cheating?

    … The documents showed that in Bucharest, Romania, test takers clearly copied answers from one anothers’ papers, including the mistakes. In Moscow, 114 answers were changed on dozens of tests; in Alicante, Spain, 257 answers were changed.

    The exam sheets themselves served as evidence of the suspected cheating — crude markups, blatant copying, unexplained bonus points — that proved as clumsy as a botched rhythmic routine. …

    New York Times link.

  150. 150
    rq

    Lynna
    Husband’s colleague stopped taking his daughter to gymnastics because at their first competition, she was approached by officials and told not to try too hard, because her place had already been determined (as a function of her country of origin, trainer, etc.). Not to show off any super-cool moves that might legitimately cause the judges to give her a higher mark than previously determined. Yeah, sports are fair.

  151. 151
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Nothing is too silly or unimportant for corruption.

  152. 152
    rq

    As a good night, I present a virtual tour of the Hebes Chasma on Mars. I love science and technology!!

  153. 153
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    25 Children Dead in India After Eating Insecticide-Laced School Lunches.

    Apparently, the cooking oil was stored in a contianer that once held insecticide.

    Jebus.

  154. 154
    Portia

    Esteleth:

    Holy shit.

  155. 155
    Sili

    Maybe it is the cats, and not the horses….

    That sent my new kitten looking everywhere.

    The old cats usually don’t react to the computer.

    Fun.

  156. 156
  157. 157
    carlie

    MUST BUY BOOK

  158. 158
    carlie

    This is that Australian factoid quiz, Basic science quiz: do you know your facts?.

    Fuck, but that thing is badly written. The last two questions start out “Do you think”, when it should be “Is”. It’s not “Do you think evolution is happening”, it’s “is evolution happening”. What you think has nothing to do with the reality.

  159. 159
    carlie

    Yeah. And just when I was starting to frequent Pharyngula a bit more.

    *grabs nigel’s ankles, holds tight as dragged towards the door* Noooooooo!!

  160. 160
    dontpanic

    A coworker asked me to write him a letter of recommendation for a grant. I like the guy and think he does good work, but I have never written a recommendation for anyone before and I’m having a hard time getting started on it. I don’t want to screw him over by writing a poor or mediocre one, but now I’m in danger of being late with it. [Ack!]

    And my yearly “accomplishment report” is due to my manager … ah, apparently last Friday. Apparently:

    I did good work last year, and most people I do stuff for are happy with what I did. Those who are unhappy are that way because I didn’t manage to finish a project for them because there was too much other shit to do; and they’re not really unhappy with me, just sad about the delay. Pay me for another year.
    isn’t going to cut it. Its not like we’re getting serious raises this year (though this year’s purported non-zero increase is better then the last 2-3 years of nada) so I don’t really need to prove my worth over all those around me. So why am I stressing so much about writing it?

  161. 161
    dontpanic

    Aaaaand …. borkquote for me.

  162. 162
    Portia

    The Fosters continues to be awesome and intersectional.

  163. 163
    cicely

    Apparently, the cooking oil was stored in a contianer that once held insecticide.

    :( :( :(
    -

    Yeah. And just when I was starting to frequent Pharyngula a bit more.

    *grabs nigel’s ankles, holds tight as dragged towards the door* Noooooooo!!

    *locking brakes on wheelychair and grabbing tightly on to carlie’s ankles*
    Now see here, Mr. TheBold! You just got here!
    -

  164. 164
    Portia

    I dislike it when clients ignore my answers to their questions, and ask them over and over. It’s even more annoying when they pepper in lots of “You’re the lawyer, you know the law, I’ll take whatever advice you give” then proceed to repeat the same damn questions over the course of weeks because they don’t like the answer I give. I feel a bit like screaming.

  165. 165
    Portia

    dontpanic:

    I was never good at those things, so I’m not much help, but I have lots of sympathy.

    Maybe start by doing that bubble brainstorming exercise? Or making a simple bullet point list of the reasons you like this guy’s work? Don’t think of it as a letter at first, maybe that will remove some mental obstacles. Good luck!

  166. 166
    carlie

    That’s it, cicely! Use the brakes!

    The Fosters continues to be awesome and intersectional.

    Oh my goodness, wasn’t that something? I totally wasn’t expecting it.

    A coworker asked me to write him a letter of recommendation for a grant. I like the guy and think he does good work, but I have never written a recommendation for anyone before and I’m having a hard time getting started on it. I don’t want to screw him over by writing a poor or mediocre one, but now I’m in danger of being late with it. [Ack!]

    General format that’s good is to say some general things about the person’s work ethic and enthusiasm, then one or two anecdotes where you worked with them (or observed their actions) on a specific project and it shows something about their character/skills/etc., then compare them favorably with generic other people you’ve worked with. Don’t say all kinds of things are good, just focus on two or three that they do well. It doesn’t have to be long – a full page to a page and a half is best. e8

  167. 167
    carlie

    No, e8 is not a code. I sometimes have to put an ice pack on my laptop when I’ve been playing videos and it gets too hot, and it typed for me.

  168. 168
    carlie

    Re: The fosters, it was also a very nice touch that they used neutral terminology. (not trying to be secretive, just wanting to avoid spoilers if needed)

  169. 169
    Portia

    I totally agree, it was very well handled. No stigma, I think it was very good at humanizing an often caricatured issue.

  170. 170
    cicely

    *hugs* and *a soothing cup of tea* for Portia. For what little it’s worth, I’ve seen the same phenomenon over and over and over again…only with The Husband advising a friend or a customer on computer-related questions.
     
    And my mother famously did this same thing with a bathroom remodel (nay, a complete overhaul); the only answer she wanted to hear from The Husband was, “I can do it all in one weekend, for under $100″, when the initial answer was “This’ll take a team of three perhaps a week, and you’re looking at $2500, minimum“. Wrong answer; wait a week, nag ask again.
    And so it came to pass that the bathroom went un-overhauled for eight more years, rocking-toilet, hole-in-the-floor-next-to-the-bathtub-through-which-you-could-see-the-grasses-waving-in-the-breeze, and shelf-poised-to-collapse-onto-the-toilet and all.
     
    I understand that there were issues with the sink, as well, but I’m no expert; I only report what I could see, and flee from in horror.
    -

  171. 171
    Ingdigo Jump

    Threadrupt. Move is ongoing but mostly done. New place is SO BIG compared to what we’re used to! we have a room for joint art and craft projects and all! lucked out on this place

  172. 172
    Portia

    Thanks cicely. What is with people? I mean really.

    we have a room for joint art and craft projects and all! lucked out on this place

    Hooray! I love that in a home :D :D :D

  173. 173
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    cicely:

    Now see here, Mr. TheBold! You just got here!

    Well, I ain’t going nowhere. I’m just a li’l distracted.

    /nigel fiddles with some ominous-looking knobs.

  174. 174
    Portia

    Good news though: there’s now another woman on the local municipal committee I’m on. We teamed up on some bullshit tonight and it was glorious. None of the men really listen to us so it went like this:

    Other woman: “Simple question, requiring a yes or no answer.”
    Chairman: “Evasive, long, unresponsive answer.”
    Woman: “Repeats question.”
    Man: “Slightly varies unresponsive answer.”
    Me: “Yeah, but I don’t think that answers the question.”
    Woman: “It doesn’t, because xyz, repeats question.”
    Man: “Finally fucking answers the damn question.”

    That committee is frustratingly stymied most of the time, and I get roundly ignored. But tonight, we made shit happen together, it was great. There were still about four items on the agenda the report for which was basically “Well, this is n’t really something our committee has the power or desire to do anything about, but it’s just on here because reasons”

  175. 175
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    Portia:

    Well, since it’s well-known that 7/16 woman = 1 man (look it up), it’ll take two women to statistically meet the acknowledgement-threshold of any committee. So, if both of you work together, you’ll get recognized about 87% of the time.

    Take-away: definitely use the buddy-system.

    (Ugh. I kinda made myself nauseous writing that. But it took effort, so I’m posting it.)

  176. 176
    Portia

    nigel:

    It made me smile…well made me exhibit 7/16 of a smile.

  177. 177
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    It made me smile…well made me exhibit 7/16 of a smile.

    Well, then. Worth the considerable effort.

    Ain’t enough smiles in the world. Even fractional smiles.

  178. 178
    Portia

    Oh, ok, now I’ve got a whole one.

    :D

  179. 179
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    So. In the hopes that I’m gonna be around a bit more these days (fingers crossed in a childish desire to influence the future), I reckon I should offer a bit of an explanation why I haven’t been around much these last few months.

    I quit my job back at the end of December to focus on a project I’ve been working on with two of my brothers. It’s taken all my time.

    And that’s how the story ends. Or begins, maybe. I’m still busy, so narrative subtleties are left to flounder on their own.

    Aaaanyway, now we have products, other brothers are working on business and sales, and The Geek (that’s me) has some time back for himself. Not a lot, but a little. So I hope to be a little bit more omnipresent. Not so much with the omni-, but definitely a bit more with the -present.

    That’s the plan, anyway.

  180. 180
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    Oh, ok, now I’ve got a whole one.

    :D

    This. This is why I can’t quit you, Pharyngula.

  181. 181
    Portia

    :D

    Good luck with that project, and with having more leisure time.

  182. 182
    Portia

    You know, there are support groups if you ever decide to give up the addiction and really get your life straight. Octophiles Anonymous. ^_^

    With that, I bid the Lounge goodnight.

  183. 183
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    nigelTheBold:
    Wait…slams on brakes…you’re a…a…geek? Can’t have another one around here. ‘Fraid you’re gonna have to play another role. The Jock? The Headmaster? Le Cook? The Butler (you do buttle, no)?

  184. 184
    chigau (違う)

    I’m for bed, too.
    It’s nice to have you back, nigelTheBold.

  185. 185
    rq

    Well, that was the wrong conversation to get into.
    Hey, what’s the general consensus on Barbie here?

  186. 186
    WMDKitty -- Survivor

    Barbie, as in, the totally unrealistic anorexic doll?

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE.

    (Seriously, I’d rather have gotten new action figures for Christmas, but noooooo. It was always a goddamn Barbie doll!)

  187. 187
    WMDKitty -- Survivor

    Tony

    He can’t be the resident smartass cat, I’ve taken that position.

    There’s no reason we can’t have more than one nerd in residence, yeah?

  188. 188
    rq

    WMDKitty
    Yeah, that doll. I accidentally made someone on FB very angry by saying that Barbie supports all kinds of negative stereotypes for girls, and that she’s too skinny by far, and got replied to very angrily about how I don’t talk to my children, that her measurements are such to make the ‘logistics of dressing her’ easier**, and that little girls have far better things to do than to calculate the BMI of their favourite toy… :/
    I understand that Barbie has a good side (playing dress-up, role playing, etc.). Which I mentioned. But I guess someone just doesn’t like it when Barbie gets dissed.
    Anyway, it just wasn’t the way I usually like to start my morning before coffee.

    ** Supposedly, the narrow waist was needed in order for all clothes to fit her properly; a wider waist would make her bulky. Which kind of proves my point, no? Bulky = unpretty, therefore undesirable?

    +++

    Tony
    Considering there’s so many of us, I think we’ll have to double up on the roles and titles. Who’s the other geek, anyway?

  189. 189
    WMDKitty -- Survivor

    I suspect we’re ALL geeks and/or nerds of some stripe or another, here.

  190. 190
    rq

    Here’s a poll worth of the Horde (not): Why is Shia LaBeouf staring at me?

    And a short conversation with the founder of HarassMap in Cairo, and attempts to change society’s views on rape/harassment in Egypt.

  191. 191
    rq

    And for parents: CTFD.

  192. 192
    rq

    y <- It's been running a bit fast and loose, instead of sitting in its rightful place in comment @190.

  193. 193
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    I need a nap

  194. 194
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    rq,

    I think I’ve read, a couple of days ago, about a new Barbie that is going to look more realistic.

  195. 195
    rq

    Now that I’ve picked all the black currants, what do I do with them?

    +++

    Beatrice
    Interesting. You wouldn’t happen to have a link, would you?

  196. 196
    rq

    Never mind, Beatrice, google showed me this and this. It’s not a real new look, just an artist’s rendition of what a realistic Barbie would look like.

  197. 197
    birgerjohansson

    (commencing factoid bombardment)

    Tentacle fetishist to bring back ‘Swedish sin’ http://www.thelocal.se/49116/20130718/
    Bona fide tentacle porn!

    World’s Oldest Calendar Found In Scotland? 10,000-Year-Old Monument May Have Tracked Lunar Months (PHOTOS, VIDEO)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/15/worlds-oldest-calendar-scotland-10000-monument_n_3600432.html
    Mesolithic monument from about 8,000 B.C.
    Now the Scots will be insufferable any time people bring up the rather young Stoneyhenge monument.

    Paternal explanatory syndrome http://www.gocomics.com/richards-poor-almanac/2013/06/10

  198. 198
    birgerjohansson

    (Tpyo: Stonehenge is indeed stoney )

    One nanoparticle plus one antibody equals targeted drug delivery to tumors (herceptin + camptothecin) http://phys.org/news/2013-07-nanoparticle-antibody-equals-drug-delivery.html

    Nanoparticles help disrupt tumor blood supply, destroy tumors vascular disrupting agents (VDAs): TNF-α http://phys.org/news/2013-07-nanoparticles-disrupt-tumor-blood-tumors.html

    Boosting immune therapy for cancer with nanoparticles
    http://phys.org/news/2013-07-boosting-immune-therapy-cancer-nanoparticles.html

    Modulating the immune system to combat metastatic cancer (including brain metastases) http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-05-modulating-immune-combat-metastatic-cancer.html#nRlv

  199. 199
    birgerjohansson

    (NB) Simulated metabolic networks show exaptations far outnumber adaptations http://phys.org/news/2013-07-simulated-metabolic-networks-exaptations-outnumber.html

    Heating effect: Nanophysicists offer novel insight into experimental cancer treatment http://phys.org/news/2013-07-nanophysicists-insight-experimental-cancer-treatment.html

    Novel bacterial ‘language’ discovered http://phys.org/news/2013-07-bacterial-language.html

    How cranberries impact infection-causing bacteria http://phys.org/news/2013-07-cranberries-impact-infection-causing-bacteria.html

  200. 200
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @David Marjanovic

    Did you see my answer to your question?

    I thought it was a great question, btw, which is why I was trying to make sure you saw the response. Sorry for pestering.

  201. 201
    birgerjohansson

    Crip dyke,
    hugs if you want them.

    PZ when you get through the hate mail, I recommend checking out the “exaptations” stuff. Come to think of it, lobe-finned fish have exaptations for developing limbs if migrating to dry land. Ray-finned fish (the majority of fish species) not so much.

  202. 202
    birgerjohansson

    Terminology for hot weather, DC style.

    http://www.gocomics.com/richards-poor-almanac/2013/07/15

  203. 203
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    There. I changed my avatar.

    Cause seriously. Red panda.

  204. 204
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    Portia. I am still totally adding a character based on you to my story XD

    You are one badass mother-shut-your-mouth.

  205. 205
    rq

    KevinKat
    Please post a huge annonce on here when your book(s) come out, because I’m getting to that point where I’m dying to read them!

  206. 206
    Portia

    Good morning!

    I second rq! and not just because I’m totally flattered… :D

  207. 207
    Portia

    It’s going to be 95°F here today. I want to drive five hours to Michigan but I’m debating waiting til the heat of the day breaks. Thoughts?

  208. 208
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Sorry rq, I was offline

  209. 209
    rq

    Beatrice
    It’s ok. I refreshed some google skills.

    Portia
    I say wait until the heat breaks, that’s just not happy driving weather.

    +++

    For some laughs:
    - customer service at its finest (also a tip on how to book an internet hotel);
    - how well do you know your proverbs?;
    - cephalopod image of the day. The caption comes to the wrong conclusion (really? science quits?) but this is the octopodal danger facing us.

    I should be folding laundry, but instead I’m sitting here and listening to the thunderstorm outside. Relaxing.

  210. 210
  211. 211
    rq

    Just for more fun (or not):
    - don’t put your spouse on the do-not-fly list – just don’t;
    - a handy guide for dudes and jerks, as found on this tumblr, which looks pretty neat (sketches and artwork!)!

  212. 212
    Portia

    My dilemma is that the sooner i leave the sooner i can dive into my aunt’s pool and splash with my niece and nephew :)

  213. 213
    rq

    This looks like an awesome acrobatic-musical-clown-steampunk show, as presented last night in the city of Kuldīga, celebrating its annual city festival (and they put on a good festival, and the city is perfect for a kitschy-medieval-type feel and outdoor events in great historic locations). Click through to see some (IMO) really neat aspects of the performance.

    Thanks for that link, Rev. BigDumbChimp, very beautiful and happy-inducing – they’re all so damn happy!! :) A beautiful wedding and so much love.

  214. 214
    rq

    Portia
    Well… It won’t get cool that fast, will it? ;)

  215. 215
    Portia

    :D Thank you for the rationalization. It actually probably won’t…I’ll just stock lotsa water..

  216. 216
    rq

    Now that’s ‘some rain’.

  217. 217
    rq

    Note: that was a comment on the weather here, not on your desire to stock lots of water, Portia. ;)
    The storm is escalating.

  218. 218
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    I’m sleepy.

  219. 219
    rq

    Anyone interested in historical photos of Latvia? An internet archive – the menu on the right categorizes by location and by topic, some more obvious than others.

  220. 220
    Yellow Thursday

    Heard Train’s song “Bruises” on the radio today, for the second time. And for the second time, I flipped the bird at the radio after the third line.

    Good to see you’re still beautiful
    Gravity hasn’t started to pull
    Quite yet

    I mean, really? It’s bad enough that the trope for what a man says when he meets up with a woman he hasn’t seen for years is “you’re looking good.” But “gravity hasn’t started to pull”? ARGH!

  221. 221
    birgerjohansson

    Scandinavia and the world
    http://satwcomic.com/public-park

  222. 222
    Portia

    Ok I’m off to put the screws to an illegal eviction and then on to the Great Lakes state. :)

  223. 223
    rq

    Go, Portia!!! :D

  224. 224
    rq

    Back to Barbie: I know she’s had several careers in the military, but has Barbie ever been issued with a weapon/gun?

  225. 225
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @birgerjohansson

    Thanks, I really do appreciate them.

    @Portia

    Looking forward to seeing a refreshed version of the beautiful stain pattern on your boots!

  226. 226
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Heya Crip Dyke, did you get the email I sent you awhile back?

  227. 227
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    Tony!:

    Wait…slams on brakes…you’re a…a…geek? Can’t have another one around here.

    Yep. And, my real name is Tony.

    Are you me? That’d be cool, but also kind of weird. Like a Phillip K. Dick novel.

    (you do buttle, no)?

    Why, I buttle like nobody’s business.

     

    chigau:

    It’s nice to have you back, nigelTheBold.

    Thanks. It’s really good to be back.

  228. 228
    yazikus

    Ok I’m off to put the screws to an illegal eviction and then on to the Great Lakes state. :)

    Portia,
    I totally had a vision/flash of you whisking out the door, with your cape swirling behind you. You do wear a cape, right?

  229. 229
    Portia

    Looking forward to seeing a refreshed version of the beautiful stain pattern on your boots!

    Yes, the list of crushed spirits should definitely include slumlords. And soon, beach sand mixed with the soot ^_^

    yazikus

    *whoosh*

    :D

  230. 230
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Attention, lots of whining ahead
    Feel free to ignore

    1. It’s hot
    2. I have a headache
    3. I still have to revise some gramar before an exam tomorrow where I feel that 50% of my success will depend on luck
    4. My mum is an asshole, giving my daughter a treat for fucking misbehaving because obviously I’m evil being angry at her.

  231. 231
    NightShadeQueen, resident nutcase

    learning dvorak is hard….

  232. 232
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Query for the German-speaking Horde:

    There is a trend amongst Americans of learning of some random bit of German vocabulary and chortling over it (usually in the “wow, they have a word for that?” sense – though laughing about literal translations is also common). I’m as guilty of this as the next person (most recently over “kummerspeck”) and now I’m curious as to how:

    (1) German-speakers actually view this? With amusement? As it being offensive/rude?

    (2) Frequently these terms are actually used – English has an entire kettle of funny words that we don’t actually use all that much.

  233. 233
    rq

    Five men in high heels. Awesome.

  234. 234
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Esteleth
    I think the fun effect is mostly due because you never ever think about how ridiculous the words of your own language are as you don’t take the literal parts.
    Kummerspeck? Yeah, it’s used.
    But seriously, German is great at making nouns. We can make long nouns. We can put about as many nouns together as you can think of. Recently when during Wimbledon Sabine Lisiki won against Venus Williams the headline was “Weltranglistenerstebezwingering” (Vicotor over the #1 female tennis player).

    Apart from that I’m frequently annoyed at English native speakers who assume that English is the pinnacle of languages while all the others are stupid. English Native Speaker prvilege is a thing.

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    cicely

    Ok I’m off to put the screws to an illegal eviction [....]

    Screw that illegal eviction, Portia! Screw it hard!
    :D
    -

    1. It’s hot
    2. I have a headache
    3. I still have to revise some gramar before an exam tomorrow where I feel that 50% of my success will depend on luck
    4. My mum is an asshole, giving my daughter a treat for fucking misbehaving because obviously I’m evil being angry at her.

    1. *glass of iced tea (sweetening optional)*
    2. *hug* and sympathy. I’d offer a *scalp rub* as well, but I know not everybody likes to have their hair touched.
    3. I cannot help you, there. Except to nit-pick that grammar has two m’s, which…probably won’t help your headache at all. :(
    4. I cannot help you there, either. Except to suggest the foundation of an Island of Asshole Moms, somewhere. Perhaps yours and mine could have a lovely talk, belittling their offspring to each other.
    -
    rq, that was…mesmerizing.
    -

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    rq

    nightshadequeen
    Dvorak is, however, beautiful.

    +++

    Judging from the state of our bathroom, humans must be descended from hippos. I see no other alternative to the splash-damaged everything (no carpet, though – ew).

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    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    I had the oddest dream last night.
    Since it is a dream and does not make sense, I shall simply state what I recall rather than trying to recreate the “narrative”

    1- I, and a small group of people whom I cannot remember, took a trip to Venus.
    2- In aerial flybys we saw volcanic activity(similar to the planet Obi-Wan and Anakin fought on in Episode 3)
    3- At some point we were hopping across rocky outcroppings to avoid the lava
    4- Far in the distance we saw trees, which was odd since we thought such did not exist on Venus, so we had to investigate
    5- We found a lush area, replete with all manner of trees and plants and of course realized water had to be nearby. While searching, I came across … wait for it … several mini venus flytraps. I remember spitting into one to see if it were real, and it clamped its ‘mouth’ down
    6- We found an underground water delivery system
    7- We got our picture taken and I remember thinking how no one would believe we were on Venus without proof. Looking around, I saw a street sign and as I was about to grab it, I did a double take and wondered why a sign was on Venus.
    8- As I wondered that, someone else pointed out a small home/grocery store where two women lived.
    9- Apparently the women were part of some experiment to colonize Venus and terraform it.
    10- Also, the women had horses.
    11- We saw a thunderstorm in the distance and realized we had to get back home.

    WHAT DOES IT ALL MEANNNNNN!!!!!!!!????????
    (Did I mention that we did not wear protectice gear or breathing apparatus ((is that the plural of that ‘apparati’?)) )

    What an odd dream.

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    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Tony!

    I am disappointed. No liquor, donuts, dwarfs or therapods. Boring dream.

    What does it mean? Depends. What did you have for dinner?

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    Lynna, OM

    Here’s what mormons think of anti-mormonism, and how they think they should combat it:
    YouTube link.

    And here are some comments from ex-mormons discussing the mormon propaganda video:

    This clearly sets out that the approach of the morg is to get the ladies to be the draw for men to go on missions and an anchor for the men to have to stay in the church even if the fraud is discovered.

    Oh and the exmo is a cocky disco dresser that will never have time for you once you have doubts, they’ll just drag you down. It’s not even subtle.

    Kindly Dad reassures us that there has been no effort to hide anything. HOLY CRAP THIS CULT NEVER STOPS CULTING. And looking into it is very boring anyway so let’s not start so we don’t get bored and then confused and conflicted.

    I think the professor that was mocked by UCLA egyptologists tells us he’s figured it all out and it’s too complicated for you so don’t be misled by sensical explanations. If you get a confirmation and see the fruits of leaving you misunderstood the relief and enlightenment and should not have left.

    Pray for Dad and be sure to let the wife in early so that she will be able to tattle to bish et al. Now when you explain the BoA concerns be sure to present a strawman of the case against the BoA. Be sure not to provide the littany of things that show JS was a complete and continual con-man.

    If you are afraid facing truth and change you should not face truth or change. Curb sitting in SLC and Utah County would likely get you arrested. Wife very impressed with someone who has been published by Oxford press, oh let’s listen to this it ought to be enlightening and not just an appeal to sentimentality. T Givens gives his pseudo-spiritual schmaltzy spiel on how others got duped so stay and be duped.

    Let’s not forget the title – Alone, which is what honesty, curiosity, learning and integrity will get you.

    The final message is that this is all too confusing for a normal person to deal with — even experts disagree with experts — so where does this leave matters? If both sides seem to be balancing out intellectually, Just decide to believe.

    … it turned into a comedy at 25:00 when Justin and Jess suddenly swallowed stupid pills, deciding they could believe black is white anytime they want to. Problem solved by smiling at each other and sticking their heads in the sand as the music tells how they lived happily ever after by turning their brains OFF.

    I like how the wife gives him the eye-roll when he starts to bring up his exmo friend. Then she gets weepy and guilts him for having any doubt. “How dare you keep this from me!” She’s signaling him that he better not question or she won’t be happy and the marriage will suck.

    “If you want to deal with the Book of Abraham, you both have to be a very good Egyptologist and a very good church historian. Anyone who is not both really isn’t equipped to deal with the issue. So you have all sorts of people who have found someone who they think is credible and they parrot the information. They’re well-intentioned, but they end up putting out things that aren’t true.”

    The sheer amount of irony and doublespeak in that statement is blowing my damn mind.

    I found the assertion that anyone without a degree was too ignorant to properly interpret the data regarding the legitimacy of the Book of Abraham and Mormonism anti-human and repugnant. The apologists really have a very low opinion of the cognitive abilities of the average person, although I’m sure they see themselves as being intellectually superior to the rest of us.

    http://exmormon.org/phorum/list.php?2

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    cicely
    Thanks.
    And I swear that damn G-word changes its number of Ms from language to language and I can never remember how many it currently has…
    As for my mum: In the end she mostly hurts herself. Because yes I am the gatekeeper to my children. She might be sober but she ain’t getting access to them alone by showing me time after time that she totally disapproves of everything I say or do and has no intentions whatsoever to respect me, my parenting or my wishes. Seriously, if I had behaved like #1 did I’d have gotten a spanking and if I’d complained about it it would have been followed by silent treatment. #1 gets a toy because her horrible mum makes her go home in underwear (and I swear that underwear was a concession. I would have taken her naked because she was the one who jumped into the pool fully clothed)

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    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Giliell:

    English is the pinnacle of languages while all the others are stupid

    …buh?

    English is many things, but logical, easy-to-learn, or internally consistent it is not.

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    rq

    Combatting bitchy resting face. I do not approve of some of the language in the video, but it has a point. Might strike a chord with some of us here.

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    rq

    And Trayvon Martin and victim blaming – a good read.

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    Lynna, OM

    Take a look at the chart at the top of this article. It clearly illustrates that unequal justice is dispensed to blacks, and that this inequality soars dramatically in states that have “stand your ground” laws.

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    carlie

    I know not everybody likes to have their hair touched.

    I understand that there are people like this, but it’s hard for me to imagine, at least under the right circumstances (no unasked touching). I find it so soothing.

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    Lynna, OM

    Good movie review.

    Excerpt:

    “The Conjuring” is an old-fashioned horror movie, almost old-fashioned to the point of meta-ness. I don’t just mean the 1970s setting, the haunted house in New England, the family under siege, the demonic possession, the pair of celebrity ghost-hunters and the Roman Catholic exorcism. I also mean the film’s deeply reactionary cultural politics, and the profound misogyny that lurks just beneath its surface. I don’t know how intentional this was on the part of the filmmakers – possibly not much – but “The Conjuring” is one of the cleverest and most effective right-wing Christian films of recent years. It’s a movie about America’s obsession with evil, and how easily that gets pointed in the wrong directions. It’s a movie based on the reassuring premise that when something is wrong in your family, your community or your country, you don’t have to worry about the priests, the cops, the dads or the other male authority figures. They’re the good guys. Blame the women.

    I remember being exposed to a lot of this overt or thinly-veiled “blame the women” shit as a young movie-goer. Now I’m fucking done with it. Besides being offensive, it is sort of anti-creative, a black hole of stupid.

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    David Marjanović

    overflow the toilet just one time

    :-) Americans.

    (…Not saying a bathroom carpet or a kitchen carpet is a defensible idea at all.)

    @David –

    Did you see my reply to you in the Younge thread?

    Uh, yes, sorry, I just don’t have anything to add. :-) And the thread was exhausting. While I’m not sure such a general provision makes sense all the time, I see the idea behind it now, thanks!

    And I haven’t visited the [Lounge] since comment 113. :-)

    I am sofa king tired.

    I haven’t giggled so loud and so ridiculously in a long time. Good thing I’m alone here. I’m so going to steal this…

    And now I sweat, because it’s so stupidly hot and damp in this bizarre room that even giggling hard is too much work!

    There’s a fight over health education in my country right now too. A fairly good program was pushed by the health minister, but it failed thanks to the Catholics. After a public debate, something that will “promote natural ways of avoiding pregnancy” and won’t “describe homosexuality as an affirmative thing” has been reported to have passed.

    In today’s news: a teenage girl suffocated her newborn, mother who claims to not have known about the pregnancy took her too the emergency room because the girl was bleeding heavily after giving birth by herself.

    Who needs health education?

    *headdesk*

    This HPV vaccine expose starts well, what with pointing out that not all risks are known… But by the end, it descends into the ordinary loud cries of Vaccines are bad!!!.

    Well, what do you expect from a site called “collective-evolution.com”. That’s Pokémon evolution newage.

    Apparently, the cooking oil was stored in a contianer that once held insecticide.

    *headdesk*

    I suspect we’re ALL geeks and/or nerds of some stripe or another, here.

    Not in Germany, sez copyright collection agency: publisher’s rights might not have been conceded for some of the music, so I can’t watch it.

    Terminology for hot weather, DC style.

    http://www.gocomics.com/richards-poor-almanac/2013/07/15

    Awesome.

    There. I changed my avatar.

    Cause seriously. Red panda.

    *nods firmly* I approve.

    - how well do you know your proverbs?;

    (1) German-speakers actually view this? With amusement?

    …Yes, as far as we’re aware of it.

    Sabine Lisiki won against Venus Williams the headline was “Weltranglistenerstebezwingering” (Vicotor over the #1 female tennis player).

    Typos for Lisinski and *inhale* Weltranglistenerstebezwingerin *exhale*, the latter meaning “female victor in a rather poetic way” (Bezwingerin; from zwingen, “to force”) over the “first female one” (Erste) in the “world rank list” (Weltrangliste, simply enough), and the former being the male form of a Polish surname – the female one would end in -ska.

    Such a long word must have been contrived under space constraints, though – probably in the legend of an illustration.

    English Native Speaker prvilege is a thing.

    A few hundred years ago, it was “our language is of no use beyond our isle”…

    Dvorak is, however, beautiful.

    But that one you have to spell the original way: Dvořák. With the dread Ř.

    Do you know how the Latvian Ŗ was pronounced (and still is in one dialect, sez Pffft)? Well, some ancestor of the Czech language had that sound (as Russian still does). And then the Czechs decided it wasn’t difficult enough.

    It’s basically what comes out when you try to say r and ž at the same time, fast.

    WHAT DOES IT ALL MEANNNNNN!!!!!!!!????????

    ~:-| What makes you think dreams mean anything? They’re “thunderstorms in the brain”. Bits and pieces of memories flaring up while you’re trying and failing to make a plot out of them.

    apparatus ((is [...] the plural of that ‘apparati’?))

    In the original Latin, yes.

    Also, Nasutoceratops titusi should, like, totally be N. titi, but I think it’s actually good that the authors opted to go for the “regarded as a modern name” clause. :-]

    HOLY CRAP THIS CULT NEVER STOPS CULTING.

    :-D

    …buh?

    Everywhere in the world you can find people who claim that in other languages you can’t do what you can do in their language (…always a single one…), usually just because they don’t know how to do it in any other language.

    Usually that’s just a background annoyance, but now that English is the world language (Exhibit A: this thread), English native-speaker privilege is a thing.

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    rq

    For cicely.

  249. 249
    rq

    David
    re: the letter R
    As an old-schooled Latvian (that means pre-WWII Latvian – because that’s the Latvian we had in Canada), I got all the perks of learning my grammar with the softened R (and -ch- in place of -h-). Nobody told us that the grammar revisionists had long since removed it, due to it being (a) difficult to remember (HA, says I); and (b) unpronounceable (HA again, says I). But it is no longer officially in use in any dialect, but I like to put it in my official reports just to see if anyone notices (they don’t).
    Also, I know about Dvorak and the other one, I just automatically default to the music-Dvorak (with accents). It took me a while to say it right, but luckily I had some good tutors in high school (a Polish friend and a Czech friend).

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Esteleth

    English is many things, but logical, easy-to-learn, or internally consistent it is not.

    Believe me, I wrote a paper on this and dug through the literature. The idea that English is The. Best. Language. Ever. is widely spread. Not only amongst idiots but amongst scholars and linguists alike. Add “only western native speaker varieties are acceptable” into the mix. It’s astounding how quickly renowned sociolinguists who will fight tooth and claw against stigma attached to regional varieties seem to forget everything they’re preaching about that when it comes to other varieties of English.

    David
    Now you know how interested I’m in tennis ;)
    It was the headline in Die Welt Kompakt, btw. I only saw it because there’s a box in front of my college building and it’s hard not to notice the headline. It made me smile.

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    Lynna, OM

    In comment 148, I talked about one of the latest global bankster rip-offs detailed by Matt Taibbi. In that comment, I called the rip-offs “apparently infinite.” Ah, so right. Here’s another, another that involves JP Morgan Chase. [emphasis mine]

    … Chase is about to pay yet another ginormous settlement for cheating and stealing from the public. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) will fine Chase “close to $1 billion” for manipulating energy prices in Enron-esque fashion in Michigan and California.

    See? Yet another method for the banksters to fuck you over.

    The energy price manipulation scheme is followed by new details about the Chase tactic of creating revenue via purposely breaking the law — knowing that the fines they pay for breakage will be less than the ill-gotten gains.

    In the three-year period between 2009-2012, Chase paid out over $16 billion in litigation costs. …these settlements and legal costs represented a staggering 12% of Chase’s net revenue during this time. There couldn’t possibly be a clearer demonstration of the modern banking model, in which companies break rules/laws as a matter of course, and simply pay fines as a cost – a significant cost – of doing business. ….

    See the link for the mind-boggling list of misdeeds.

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    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Oh, sure. I’d bet that a lot of that is tightly wound up in “we’re obviously the best due to [cultural/political/economic/racial/ethnic/religious reason], so therefore, everything we do must be the best” pseudo-logic.

    Some of that social policing can be quite subtle and also quite overt – my grandmother (whose name – given and surname – is German) reports that when she was young she was repeatedly “corrected” on the proper pronunciation of her own name by her schoolteachers – that is, she was given very clearly to understand by the local authority whose job it was to educate her that the “correct” to say her name was to Anglicize it.

  253. 253
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    Thanks, David.

    I didn’t need you to respond, per se. I mean I didn’t need you to have anything to say about it. I just knew that the thread was exhausting and that there was good reason not to come back to it. I wanted you to be able to know that there was at least one (possibly) reasonable answer without needing to read the whole thread looking for it.

    Hope everything is going well there.

    And I can’t begin to imagine how to make that “Ř” sound. I envy your knowledge of language and etymology, but the kind of auditory processing necessary to even understand how the sound is distinguished from, say, that Latvian one, is probably beyond me.

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    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Also, I know about Dvorak and the other one, I just automatically default to the music-Dvorak (with accents).

    I knew a kid named Dvorak when I was in school. His family pronounced it Dee-vor-ak. With a heavy accent on the last syllable.

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    cicely

    rq – Now why would you even show me that thing, when you have to have noticed that not a one of those Horses spontaneously combusted, or anything? Why???
    -

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    Tethys

    It is another day of living in a sauna here, but hopefully tomorrow the storms will come and bring some relief.

    I have some distressing news. There are no bumblebees in my garden. There are lots of blooming flowers that are normally abuzz with several different subspecies of bumbles. There were a few evident this spring, but there aren’t any at all now. I am very sad. I miss their buzzing bee music. I had never realized how much of the garden was the sound of the bees.

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    Ingdigo Jump

    Ugh working all day to finish move and unpacking…heat is unbearable!

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    Ingdigo Jump

    On the plus side, due to having closest with built in shelving I now for the first time have EXCESS shelf space in book cases! Whohoo!

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Esteleth
    My favourite is when Americans, knowing that I’m German, correct my British spelling…
    +++

    I’m going to call it a day. Because if there’s one sure way to fuck up an exam it’s to thik that whatever you don’t know yet will get into your head at 3 am the night before…

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    cicely

    Ing, what is this ‘excess bookshelf space’ of which you speak?
    -

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    Ingdigo Jump

    @Cicely

    Ok hear me out. It’s possible to not have enough books to fill a bookshelf.

    MIND BLOWN

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    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    cic-UH-lee, ci-SEEL-le, cic-uh-LAY (how many variations can be found in pronouncing your nym?):
    I think it means more space for shoes.

  263. 263
    NightShadeQueen, resident nutcase

    @Cicely

    Ok hear me out. It’s possible to not have enough books to fill a bookshelf.

    MIND BLOWN

    Of course, that means your issue is insufficent books, not excess shelf space.

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    Lynna, OM

    rq @150:

    Husband’s colleague stopped taking his daughter to gymnastics because at their first competition, she was approached by officials and told not to try too hard, because her place had already been determined…

    Holy shit! How must his daughter have felt after that? Depressing in the extreme.

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    Lynna, OM

    Ok hear me out. It’s possible to not have enough books to fill a bookshelf.

    This is a temporary situation, a minor flux in the space-time continuum that will soon revert to the norm.

    A steady state of never-enough-room for one’s books is inevitable … and comforting.

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    Lynna, OM

    In my house if any space on a bookshelf looks like it is even thinking about being “extra,” I fill it with rocks. Rocks are also repositories of stories.

  267. 267
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Lovely.
    elind is back ::eyeroll::

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    vaiyt

    The idea that English is The. Best. Language. Ever. is widely spread.

    Word. Seen it here too – said by people who aren’t even good at English.

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    rq

    I currently do not have enough books to fill my shelf-space… Because they’re all in Canada in storage! And it’s frustrating, because I’m not likely to have the opportunity or the cash the ship them here for a long, long, long time. *sadface*
    Anyway, to bed am I. Good night!

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    blf

    It’s possible to not have enough books to fill a bookshelf.

    Remove some from other storage spaces — like the ceiling — and insert into bookcase. Use a hammer. If the bookcase explodes, discard all of its fragments, thus providing some additional space for the next set of books.

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    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Or you all could buy the books on KINDLE or NOOK and get rid of print copies…

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    cicely

    It’s possible to not have enough books to fill a bookshelf.

    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Okay, this is like that whole square-root-of-a-negative-number thing they tried to teach me Back In Skool, right? No such animal? Crocoducktile?
    -

    I think it means more space for shoes.

    *blinking in confusion*
    No…no; shoes are racked on vertical surfaces (that haven’t yet been fitted with some sort of door/wall-to-bookshelf adaptation device), books occupy all horizontal surfaces.
    At a pinch, shoes may be hung from shower curtain rods on clothes-hanger-to-shoe-rack adapters. You know—when you need to adapt the doors for books.
    -

    Of course, that means your issue is insufficent books, not excess shelf space.

    Though not an issue that has troubled me since, oh, high school.
    I would go so far as to say that there is no such thing as a sufficiency of books.
    -

    I currently do not have enough books to fill my shelf-space… Because they’re all in Canada in storage!

    *wince*
    rq, I feel your pain.
    I once had a friend suggest that my books could be stored in Rubbermaid™ tubs in the garage. To get them offa my floor, walls, furniture….
     
    More of a collegue, really.
    -

    Or you all could buy the books on KINDLE or NOOK and get rid of print copies…

    Ton-EE, T’OH-ny, TOON-y…I can’t help but notice how flammable you’re looking this evening.
    Your Shoopness, taking away my dead-tree books is gonna involve cold, dead hands. Multiple pairs. Only one of which will be mine.
    -

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    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    Multiple pairs. Only one of which will be mine.

    Channeling the Redhead are you? *Sigh°

  274. 274
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Hey, I want to alter my nym.
    How do I access my FtB profile now?

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    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Crip Dyke

    Thank you for your efforts in the Trayvon threads. Your posts really helped my understanding of the legal complexities involved.

    This link popped up on Facebook today:

    Putting Casual Racism on Trial.

    It contains a link to a peer reviewed study using mock trials to determine the racial biases in legal proceedings.

  276. 276
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    I’m flaming tonight?
    Is that the smell I detect?

  277. 277
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    We’ve been have 90 ºC weather here in Chiwaukee. The Redheads bp has been low (<100/yy) while the heat was high When the bp is below 100/yy, we are (according to the Redhead), not take the bp pills. The next morning her bp is higher, but not excessively so <120/zz). Anything to worry about here?

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    cicely

    If you try to take away my books, it will be.
    -

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    cicely

    And if you click on the “Logged in as <your 'nym in blue", it'll take you to where you can make changes.
    -

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    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Seeing if I have a Gravatar now

  281. 281
    cicely

    *sigh*
    Make that, “And if you click on the “Logged in as “”, yada yada.
    -

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    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    The Philistines thread has me a bit spooked to give my opinion on dead tree books.

    Let’s just say that having spent the better part of two decades buying and selling used books I’m not at all sentimental about them as objects. Standing knee deep in piles of books knowing that those you don’t select are destined for a landfill will tend to do that to a person. As will lifting and carrying box after box of them, day after day, year after year. I have a pretty vast collection of paperback sci-fi and fantasy, and other than the one I’m reading they’re all in boxes in our shed.

    That said, if someone were to tell me their beloved books had been destroyed my response would be one of sympathy.

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    dontpanic

    This is a test, this is only a test of a new gravitar. Had this been a real emergency you would have been instructed to secure your towel. This is only a test. You may now reset your site monitors. Thank you.

  284. 284
    dontpanic

    [::Spits::] Well that didn’t work …

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    dontpanic

    Another try…

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    yazikus

    So, Books. I usually give most of mine away, because I love them and want other people to love them. So I often have to re-seed my book shelves.
    -
    I’m trying to read a book now, by Christopher Moore. I had enjoyed (when younger) his books. Lamb: The Gospels According to Biff, Fluke, Bloodsuckers; a Love Story, and The Island of the Sequined Love Nun. The book I am trying to read is titled Sacre Bleu, A Comede D’Art. And I can’t even follow the plot, I am so distracted by his lady-hate. I’d love some opinions from anyone who has read his work. I know he used to write for playboy, and is irreverent in his writing. But this one just really seems quite misogynistic. I feel like it could be a good story, but is so overshadowed by rape jokes, ageism, ableism, attacks against agency and just all around lady-hate that I cannot enjoy it. I get that he is trying to make a story incorporate art, but it is not working for me.
    -
    Any thoughts from The Horde on this author or this book?

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    yazikus

    Also, this might be better for the Thunderdome, but I went by my local bookstore to pick up some reading material for Baked Potato Pizza Day (at my local pizza place, it is my favorite) and grabbed the newest Skeptical Inquirer.
    -
    It included a lengthy summary of a UFO conference and not one word about Women In Secularism, save for the bottom paragraph of the editorial which vaguely mentioned civility and blogs and what-not. They did not cover the talks, the speakers, or publish any letters to the editor about the conference. I know there were letters sent (Hey, I sent one!).
    -
    What is up with that???

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    dontpanic

    yazikus, well that’s because UFO’s are a relevant, hot topic with new stuff being discovered about them every day and well, you know how it is, women are not. ::eyeroll::

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    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Not flaming tonight…
    …high, though??

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    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Yazikus
    I’m a big Moore fan, and I don’t recall his books having more than ordinary background levels of misogyny, but that could well be my privileged viewpoint. I haven’t read that particular one in a while, though, and my memories are pretty fuzzy.

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    Rip Steakface

    The number one hit in the US on the radio is blatantly a rape-celebrating piece of dogshit.

    Listen, if you want here. Trigger warning in effect, because of certain lines.

    Strangely, both of the top 2 songs on the radio are 70s throwbacks. The difference is the #2 hit, Get Lucky by Daft Punk, is actually pretty good, which is frankly bizarre for radio hits.

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    gobi's sockpuppet's meatpuppet

    FossilFishy(Anti-Vulcanist)

    During the Big Flood of ’11 (not quite biblical) we had to box up all of our books and get them to higher ground. I love my Kindle now…

    (I would still do it for my picture books and those printed on nice paper though – you just can’t get that in a Kindle… but paperbacks? Words are lighter than wood pulp.)

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    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Your link is borked Rip.

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    rq

    FossilFishy
    I like the way real books feel, but at the same time, most books are reproduced in electronic formats quite successfully. I have no problem with reading novels electronicaly; in fact, I prefer it, because I can have hundreds of books with me, except just the one (but for some reason, I do read paper books faster).
    I do, however, have some fantastic picture books (incl. photos) that just can’t be transferred to a Kindle or portable size. Either they’re fairly rare (a couple of books from childhood that are left in Ottawa but for which I’d like to find my own copies are, apparently, pretty much unknown anywhere on the internet), or they just have beautiful art that I like to look at, but I’d much rather have them as Real Paper Books, not something for the screens (kind of like seeing Monet in real life… which someone described on that thread, and now I want to see it for myself even more).
    And a lot of my textbooks (diagrams, flowcharts) wouldn’t really fit well on a screen, either.

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    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    I can understand that there’s an sensual appeal to a paper book. I don’t really share an appreciation for that as far as text-only works go. When I’m enjoying a book I don’t notice the words on the paper, let alone how the book as a whole feels or appears. Hell, I don’t even really appreciate those authors about whom folks go on about their use of language. If I notice what words are being used it’s because I’m not really into the story. And truthfully, that’s my loss rather than any slight on how other people enjoy things.

    Now picture books, art books especially, I’m right there with you. We have an ipad with the ‘retina’ screen and high-res art on that is pretty damn fine looking. But at the end of the day you’re still staring into a light-bulb*. With the exception of video art we are used to seeing works via reflected light rather than projected light. A high quality art book inherently does that better.

    *Why the hell is spellcheck telling me I have to hyphenate that? Surely it’s one word by now?

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    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Over and above how easy it is to lug around, I love my ereader because no matter the time of day I can get a new book. I invariably finish my book late at night as that’s the only time to read. (Or at least when the Tour de France isn’t on that is.) That ability to go on-line and get something new right then and there was the prime reason I bought one. Mind you, I was an early adopter and my BeBook has some serious flaws.

  297. 297
    rq

    FossilFishy
    For me, language in a book is of prime importance, because it’s the key reason I am able or unable to get into the book. If the language is good (or excellent), then yes, I’m less likely to notice it, because I’m going with it – seeing what it describes, feeling the emotions, experiencing the story. If the language is bad (or atrocious), then all the little inconsistencies or oddities take away from my ability to experience the story in full. I recently read Drood by Dan Simmons, and that was one difficult book to get into. The language felt constantly off, and it had no likeable premise, much less a comprehensible premise of what the author was trying to get across. (Or maybe I’m just dim and didn’t understand. *shrug*)

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    First exam done, wish me luck for the second

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    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    rq

    Heh, I’m pretty much the opposite. The last book I read was written in that annoying style were every damn thing had to at least one adjective. After three or four pages I stopped noticing because the story was interesting.

    I’m much more attentive to word choice and the like in songs. If I know the rhyme before you sing it you’ve pretty much lost me.

    I really enjoyed Hyperion by Simmons and hated that rest of the series. I’d say he spends a lot of effort making things as confusing as possible. But perhaps that’s just me as well.

    Giliell

    Break a hippocampus!

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    rq

    A hippo-camp.

    +++

    Giliell
    Many thumbs in hand for you!!

    FossilFishy
    I suppose that’s just the author, then – but see, some books use their adjectives well, and they flow with the actual story, and it’s very enrapturing reading, because the image I get is stunning. I mean moments when the words are stilted, or the adjectives not-quite-right (I found a lot of Drood to have this problem – like, That word does not fit the rest of the mood type of thing), or sentences too long (or too short) or too oddly structured. I’m trying to think of examples, but the kids are rioting downstairs and mother nature is rioting outside, so it’s a bit hard to think, but I think we’re on the same page, really. (ha.ha.)

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    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Ha. Better that than mother nature rioting downstairs while the kids riot outside. Speaking of which, there’s a break in the rain just now so I’m going to dash for home. Sure I have plastic pants, but I’d rather not wear them. ;)

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    rq

    On days like today I feel like I missed the warning for the Great Flood Part II.

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    rq

    Plastic pants? *gasp* You’re really letting Opportunity pass you by.

    Good luck on the trip home!

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    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Doesn’t the existence of casual friday effectively prove that all the rules about what you are allowed to wear the rest of the workweek are just mindfuck?

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    rq

    Beatrice
    Probably.
    It’s original purpose, though, as far as I know, was to relax the work atmosphere and to put everyone on the same level… I think. (Probably wrong.)

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    rq

    Mind-bleach needed!! Just accidentally started reading the most revolting thing ever… Didn’t finish, but still – ew!

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    gravityisjustatheory

    I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere, so I thought I’d bring it up here.

    Andrew Brown on the Guardian has made a particularly silly article defending a particularly silly defence of creationism/creationists.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2013/jul/18/virginia-heffernan-creationism-nothing-wrong

    (The essence seems to be ‘Scientists are so arrogant, with their “facts”, and “evidence” – you can hardly blame people for prefering the poetry of religion. And I’m not saying it’s true, but you never know, it might be”).

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    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    It’s original purpose, though, as far as I know, was to relax the work atmosphere and to put everyone on the same level… I think. (Probably wrong.)

    Yeah, but why aren’t they “at the same level” the rest of the time? (at least where wardrobe is concerned)

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    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Yeah, sorry, a neighbor was asking me about my casual wear for work last friday and the conversation came to my mind again today. I dress casually every day.:)

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    OK, so i’m done. Conservative estimate says I should have passed. Since I don’t need to worry about my GPA anyway (has something to do with changing programs) that shoudl do.
    Now I’m going to take a nap

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    rq

    Giliell
    You deserve at least a nap. Congrats on being done, here’s hoping for good marks!!

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    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Congrats, Giliell!

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    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    I had never realized how much of the garden was the sound of the bees.

    We went a couple of years with no honey or bumblebees. They came back last year and have been happily sexing up the peas in our back yard all summer.

    heat is unbearable!

    It was already 80F when I was driving to work this morning.

    Ok hear me out. It’s possible to not have enough books to fill a bookshelf.

    MIND BLOWN

    Try putting the stacks of books that are on the floor, or the nightstand, onto the shelves. Weird, but it just may work.

    This is a temporary situation, a minor flux in the space-time L-space continuum that will soon revert to the norm.

    Fixed that vice Pratchett.

    No…no; shoes are racked on vertical surfaces (that haven’t yet been fitted with some sort of door/wall-to-bookshelf adaptation device),

    No, shoes and boots get tossed onto the bootmat in the mud room, or into the corner of my closet.

    I’m flaming tonight?
    Is that the smell I detect?

    Do not flame the shoop. Mutton should be slow roasted. Or stewed with juniper berries and corn.

    Not flaming tonight…
    …high, though??

    I flamed last night on the porch. A Garo Double Habano. 6 by 52. Felt a little light headed towards the end.

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    OK, back from nap and de-pompeiiing the kitchen ;)

    As for books, i go for content AND language. I’m a language freak (you might have noticed), so for me somebody mastering it like Pratchett is a pleasure in and on itself. I won’t read a non-college boring book, I won’t read a non-college badly written book. Life’s too short and there are too many good books to waste it with the bad ones.

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    BTW, if you want to restore a bit of faith in humanity, work through the discussions with wscot here. He came as a shallow run-off-the-mill Nice Guy™ and actually read what the women told him and changed his mind.

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    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    His name was Lyle.

    I’m ashamed to admit that I only found that out for sure a few months ago. It’s not like he was a new customer. He’d been riding the 30km to our shop a couple of times a month since we bought it five years ago. But somehow along the way I’d gotten turned around and I could never remember if his name was Lionel or Lyle.

    Once I thought I had a way out without having to admit my stupidity. I was really busy when he came in to order some parts. I asked him to write his name and number down with a list of what he wanted while I helped another customer. I was foiled, he didn’t have a phone.

    He wasn’t the first regular to die in my twenty four years of serving customers, but he is the first to make me cry.

    It wasn’t a shock*, Lyle was in his late seventies, maybe even early eighties. I don’t actually know. You see, we rarely talked about his life. We talked bicycles, they were his passion and his joy. He rode daily right up to the end. One of the few details I know is that he had worked on Mount Buffalo until he retired. I asked once how many times he’d ridden up it and all he could say was “Hundreds.”

    If your picture is a little old man tottering along on a rusty old cruiser bike you’d be half right. He was tiny. But he always rode a bike appropriate for what he was doing. I sold him a nice hardtail mountain bike for riding in the bush. He had a collection of proper drop bar road bikes for the bitumen.

    Most often the work I did for him was swapping cranks between frames. Every couple of months he’d acquire a new bike and the good parts he owned would up and migrate through his stable until they found a new equilibrium.

    He took great pride in his bikes. The only time I complain about the condition of a customer’s bike is when it has a dangerous spider making it’s home there. Lyle’s bikes never had so much as a cobweb; they were always clean and polished. Scratches and any graphics he deemed ugly were carefully covered with matt silver tape, edges cut perfectly square and smoothed down with nary a ripple or bubble.

    Whenever I ordered the new Shimano catalogue I always got an extra for him. This year’s is still sitting on the special order shelf.

    He was a kind and intelligent man. He had a purity of purpose, he loved to ride, and he had a self-deprecating disregard for what anyone thought of that.

    I’m going to cherish my memories of him. And one day soon I will ride up Mount Buffalo. A bit of pointless sentimentality perhaps, but it seems like the right thing to do now that he’s no longer here to do it himself. If only I’d done so sooner so I could have enjoyed discussing my experience with him.

    His name was Lyle, and I will never forget him.

    *Well, it was a little surprising. He was remarkably healthy so far as I could tell. Apparently the autopsy was delayed because there were no medical records for him, which if I understood correctly meant that he hadn’t been to a doctor in the last 55 years.

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    rq

    FossilFishy
    I’m sorry, and what a fantastic character! *hugs*

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    Yellow Thursday

    FossilFishy: My sympathies. I’ve lost a number of customers at my work, too. I could never give them such a nice eulogy as this.

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    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    I am playing a concert tomorrow up at the Zane Grey Museum in Lackawaxen, Pennsylvania. The event is free; there are activities for children and adults and I will be one of the musical acts. My concert list:

    Joe Bean
    The Cruise of the Callabar (modified for the D&H canal)
    Billy the Kid
    The E-RI-E Canal
    Railroad Bill
    Joe Hill
    Long Black Veil
    Tijuana Jail
    Pretty Boy Floyd
    Hard Travelin’
    Ghost Riders in the Sky
    Jesse James
    Stewball
    Wreck of the Old 97
    Philadelphia Lawyer
    Everglades

    Encore:
    Charlie on the MTA
    This Land is Your Land

    Two concert sessions, each of about 40 minutes. Just me, my guitar, a couple of mikes, a Fender amp, and my tunes.

    Still working on the order.

    All of the songs are about criminals, people who screwed up, or people who pissed of the powers that be. Should be fun.

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    carlie

    Speaking of books, I’m taking some time today to go to a friends of the library book sale, in which I expect to find all sorts of treasures at dirt-cheap prices to add to my collection. Can’t do that with e-readers.

    That’s one of my biggest beefs about digital reading, by the way – the lack of browsing and serendipity in finding cool things. I can’t even count the number of times I found something cool because it caught my eye as I was walking through its section on my way to where I was going. There is no analog to that in e-reading, because even the “what other people who bought this are reading” tags are self-selected for people who like the same kinds of things. There simply isn’t an online corollary to “I saw this book on typography and then this one on the role of women in Puritan society on the way to the gardening book I was looking for.”

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    carlie

    I am playing a concert tomorrow up at the Zane Grey Museum in Lackawaxen, Pennsylvania.

    I would totally be there if I could – good luck!

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    cicely

    Giliell: Good luck!
    -
    *hugs* and sympathy for FossilFishy.
    -

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    Lynna, OM

    The once mighty retail giant, Sears, has lost half its value in the last five years. Ayn Rand is behind this colossal failure of management.

    Eddie Lampert, the legendary hedge fund manager, was once hailed as the “Steve Jobs of the investment world” and the second coming of Warren Buffett. These days, he claims the number 2 spot on Forbes’ list of America’s worst CEOs. He has destroyed Sears, the iconic retail giant founded in 1886, which used to be known as the place “Where America Shops.”…

    You might say that Lampert is the distillation of the fervent market worship and wrong-headed economic approaches that came to dominate the U.S. in the 1980s and have yet to run their fatal course. He adores Ayn Rand, and is reported to have given out copies of Atlas Shrugged during an ESL annual dinner. Lampert is also a fan of Friedrich von Hayek, the Austrian economist beloved by conservatives and libertarians. As a Robert Rubin protégé, he absorbed the lessons of a man whose discredited economic focus on budget deficits ended up starving the country’s infrastructure, education and alternative energy….

    Link.

    Disgustingly, “Crazy Eddie” Lampert and his early investment buddies did make a bundle on the Sears debacle. So, I guess all is well as long as Lampert makes money and thousands of Sears employees lose their jobs, thousands of stores close, and the remaining employees are stuck in the same low-wage sand that sucks down Wal-Mart employees.

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    Lynna, OM

    A mormon writes about Moments of Mormon Madness in the MTC (Missionary Training Center). Excerpts below:

    [Nothing] had prepared me for the emotional claustrophobia of religious groupthink. It’s one thing to order people to stand in a line and another to try and make them feel unworthy for not liking it.

    One of the first things said to me as I entered the mission home was, “Elder, the Lord would be very disappointed in your haircut.”

    Since even then I didn’t believe it was possible to disappoint an omnipotent being, I figured this was just a self-important way of telling me my hair was too long.

    Fine, I’ll get another haircut. But why drag God into it?

    Pointing this out was not appreciated. Neither was any other expressed lack of enthusiasm for the wonders of gang spirituality.

    Whether it’s beads, khakis or white shirts, few people are more brainlessly enthusiastic than kids with a mandate and a uniform. You can get them to do — and feel — just about anything, including unworthiness.

    What followed was two months of eating, sleeping, studying and emoting in unison in order to be validated. It wasn’t me.

    It wasn’t a few other guys either. I watched them become sullen, then livid, and once or twice, self-injurious, for their failure to adapt in a highly cloistered — and artificial — environment.

    They weren’t the wrong people, just in the wrong place. The great fear was that losing yourself in the Lord’s work meant becoming something you weren’t….
    One of the toughest jobs there is in life is to be yourself when you’re stuck in the middle of everyone else.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/56608974-80/kirby-mission-missionary-robert.html.csp

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    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Fossilfishy
    *hugs* and sympathies

    Ogvorbis
    Sounds like a great time and I wish I could go; all of those by the Calabar are long-time favorites of mine. Given this:

    All of the songs are about criminals, people who screwed up, or people who pissed of the powers that be. Should be fun

    I was surprised to see Stewball, which I know as a song about a horse who won a race and a lot of money (usually titled as Skewball), but then I realized you probably meant the Peter, Paul, and Mary version which changes the viewpoint character. Speaking of such songs, do you know Richard Thompson’s 1952 Vincent Black Lightning?

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    rq

    Something like a once-in-a-lifetime experiment… And to think the Aussies missed the moment in 2000!

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    rq

    I didn’t know that an abundance of Latvians is a red flag for the NSA. I suppose I should review all my friends lists! (And all of you – be warned!)

  328. 328
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    iJoe @55, please try talking to someone in the registrar’s office — assistant registrar maybe — and ask what, if anything, can be done to help you meet your goals. They may have a solution or a best path to follow, e.g. whose other credits they’ll accept or part-time attendance, etc.

    Site warnings:. I did get a warning several days ago about adware on Pharyngula and my AVG software neutralized it.

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    blf

    [The bees] came back last year and have been happily sexing up the peas in our back yard all summer.

    Swarming stinging peas are not an improvement.

  330. 330
    UnknownEric the Apostate

    Speaking of books, I’m taking some time today to go to a friends of the library book sale, in which I expect to find all sorts of treasures at dirt-cheap prices to add to my collection.

    I’m dangerous at those. I have to only bring a small amount of money with me or I’ll walk out with half the things there. Especially if they have records and CDs as well…

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    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Collected all the fucking data.

    Ran ALL the ANOVAs (2-way, for the record).

    Statistically significant to p ≤ 0.001.

    BOO YAH.

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    rq

    Yay!!! Esteleth. This calls for some *champagne&sparkles*
    Congratulations!!

    UnknownEric
    I know what you mean… Less about the records and CDs, but definitely about walking away with half (or more) of the stuff.

  333. 333
    cicely

    *champagne&fireworks* for Esteleth.
    -

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    rq

    Ogvorbis
    That sounds like a really awesome show, and I’m sad I’m going to miss it. Good luck and have fun!!! I hope the crowd loves you!!

  335. 335
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    So I tweeted this: “The worst part of bragging about how you got significance to p ≤ 0.001 is how few people get why that’s super-cool.”

    And promptly @lousycanuck replied, “Try expressing it in percentage chance of being right, instead. Way more impressive to layfolk.”

    But that takes math, Jason! There’s no “convert to percentage-chance-of-accuracy” button in Prism!”

    (okay, fine)

    Something that is statistically significant to p ≤ 0.001 has a 99.9% chance of being correct.

  336. 336
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    Yay Esteleth!

    Love the sniny new ‘nym adjunct. Well-earned.

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    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    BTW, why is FTB backdating nym adjustments? Comments I posted last week (when I was still “the most calossal nerd on Pharyngula”) are now statistically significant to p ≤ 0.001.

  338. 338
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    I was surprised to see Stewball, which I know as a song about a horse who won a race and a lot of money (usually titled as Skewball), but then I realized you probably meant the Peter, Paul, and Mary version which changes the viewpoint character

    One of the verses:

    I bet on the gray mare,
    I bet on the bay,
    If I’d have bet on old Stewball,
    I’d be a free man today.

    Not familiary with Richard Thompson. I’ll check your link when I can.

    Swarming stinging peas are not an improvement.

    These are sugar snap peas. Eaten raw or stir fried. Delicious.

    BTW, why is FTB backdating nym adjustments?

    I noticed that about a week ago. I am now Ogvorbis all the way back to the beginning.

  339. 339
    cicely

    BTW, why is FTB backdating nym adjustments?

    ‘Cause FTB Took A Level In Suck.
    -

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    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    With this new feature of FtB, we could really, really, really screw with people’s minds. I become cicely, cicely becomes rq, rq becomes Esteleth, Esteleth becomes Nigel, etc. It would back date it through the entire history of FtB and would make going back and looking at old threads even more nonsensical than some are now.

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    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Congrats, Esteleth!

    BTW, why is FTB backdating nym adjustments?

    ‘Cause FTB Took A Level In Suck.

    Seconded.
    My nyms weren’t terribly interesting, but they help me get a better sense of when I participated in some conversations than just looking at the year. (if that makes sense to anyone but me)

  342. 342
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    they help me get a better sense of when I participated in some conversations than just looking at the year. (if that makes sense to anyone but me)

    Oh, it does make sense. My ‘nym changed quite a bit as I waded through the hell of memories coming back. Some of my breakthrough moments were when people challenged the extraneous shit I added on the end — broken, failure, etc. — and showed why my view of myself was wrong.

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    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Ogvorbis:
    That is devious!

  344. 344
    cicely

    Beatrice, I agree. It’s like they (excuse me, They) context-stripped the sub-plotting.
    -

  345. 345
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    But am I Ogvorbis?

  346. 346
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    That’s great, Esteleth! Need a lab assistant? I’m crap at setting the experiments up, but I can do basic lab procedure like nobody’s business.

    Ogvorbis
    Yeah. I’m more familiar with the Andy Irvine version, also called “Plains of Kildare”, where the last verse is:
     
    The last winning post, Stewball passed it quite handy
    Horse and rider both called for sherry wine and brandy
    And they drank up a health to the noble grey mare
    For she emptied their pockets on the Plains of Kildare.
     
    or Steeleye Span’s
     

    Past the winning post bold Skewball drew quite handy
    Horse and rider both ordered sherry wine and brandy
     
    And then they drank the health of the gallant Miss Griselda
    And all that lost their money on the sporting plains of Kildare
     
    There’s loads of specific variants, but they’re all substantially the same. The names of the horses vary, with the winning horse being Stewball, Skewball, or Skewbald, and the opposing grey mare being nameless, Molly, or Griselda. The songs are initially based on an actual horse (records from the time give his name as Squball or Skewball), who won a race in Kildare in the 18th century against, among others, a grey mare, whose name has not survived. (Sorry for the lengthy digression; as I said in another thread, my pedantry knows no bounds, and folk music is something of a passion of mine. )

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    cicely

    Perhaps we are all Ogvorbis!
    -

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    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Need a lab assistant?

    Sorry, no. My job is ending in December, and all that.

    The nym backdating thing bugs me, because I like being able to see what sort of thing was on my mind at a given point. Yeah, my addons have all been things like “neither a dog nor a ferret” and such, but yet I like tracking them.

  349. 349
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Dalillama:

    Thanks. I will include that in the introduction.

    cicely:

    But if you are all Ogvorbis, who am I?

    Esteleth:

    Please tell me that your current lab assistant did not come via We-R-Igors?

  350. 350
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Trying.to.stay.awake.for.FtBCon

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    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    I don’t have an assistant.

  352. 352
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    From a purely-technical view, the backdating of ‘nyms makes sense. WordPress probably keeps a single table of users, and updates the display name when there’s a change. Pages are built dynamically when viewed, so each view pulls the current display name for that user.

    It’s a suck implementation, but it’s simple and reliable, and doesn’t rely on tracking each change in the display name.

    From a user point of view, it’s the suck.

  353. 353
    cicely

    possibly-Ogvorbis:
    We are the Borg Pharynguhorde.
    Resistance is measured in ohms.
    -

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    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Oh, and if you don’t have a website linked, clicking on your nym just takes you to the top of whatever page it is you’re on. Silly.

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    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    I don’t have an assistant.

    Then what have you been doing with all of that money stollen from the poor honest oil millionaires?

    Resistance is measured in ohms.

    Not at ohm. At owrk.

  356. 356
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    Then what have you been doing with all of that money stollen from the poor honest oil millionaires?

    Paying of medical debt, yourself?

  357. 357
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Oh, I’m not one of those science research people making $10 million a year at the public teat. I’m just a mild mannered bureaucrat destroying jobs and oppressing real Americans.

    Though I did manage to pay off the debt we acquired trying to get a diagnosis for Boy’s developmental disability — twenty years later. And that was with insurance.

  358. 358
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    In other news, my personal FB is currently featuring a debate on whether or not Jesus would know what a fish fry is.

    I made the argument that if you accept the arguments that Jesus was the son of god, and the whole “god-in-three-persons” argument, and that god is omniscient, then Jesus must know about fish fries.

    The person I’m arguing with is a devout Catholic. It is a very strange conversation.

  359. 359
    carlie

    Signal boost, if you all don’t mind. I know a lot of you follow WilloNyx on twitter, but might not check your twitter accounts often. She’s in dire need of assistance to get some hearing aids to be able to keep her job; there are details on her twitter page a little ways down. If you think you know her name but aren’t sure from where, her blog is also linked to at the top of her twitter feed.

  360. 360
    carlie

    And then they drank the health of the gallant Miss Griselda

    She knows her mind all right, your Auntie Griselda

  361. 361
    Nick Gotts

    Esteleth, statistically significant to p ≤ 0.001

    p ≤ 0.001? Huh. In some of my most recent experiments, I got p < 00000000000000022. Admittedly, these are simulation experiments, and p is the probability the results are drawn from a normal distribution!

    Seriously, congrats! I hope this helps you get a new and more secure job.

  362. 362
    rq

    I think we should backtrack-’nym-change all of Pharyngula, just for fun.
    And it is the suck.
    But alas, time zones and bed calls, too bad for me and FtBCon.
    Also, I too volunteer to be an Esteleth lab assistant, should the opportunity ever arise. *crosses fingers and waits* :)

    Good night!

  363. 363
    rq

    Oh, and before I bed-flounce:
    [trivia] At our wedding, the priest mistakenly identified Husband as Igor, even though that is not his real name… three times, until the Best Man pointed out that that is not Husband’s name. Some hilarity ensued (Do you know who you’re married to?). He managed to get it right for the vows. :P Church weddings with old priests, I’m tellin’ ya… [/trivia]

  364. 364
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Carlie

    She knows her mind all right, your Auntie Griselda

    in this case, Miss Griselda is the opposing horse.\

    Ogvorbis
    I don’t have my copy of Lomax handy just now, but I have a bit of history on a few others if you’re interested:

     
    The Cruise of the Callabar (modified for the D&H canal): Has the earmarks of a tall-tale song, probably not based on real events. Mid to late 19thc.
     

    The E-RI-E Canal: See Cruise of the Calabar, above.
     
    Railroad Bill: The nickname given to a black drifter who rode the rails of Alabama and Florida in the 1890s with a rifle. He robbed a number of trains and killed several lawmen who pursued him. Popular legend has it that he would distribute or resell at low prices the goods he got from his theivery to impoverished blacks in the area, giving him something of a Robin Hood reputation. He was gunned down by authorities in 1896, his real name unknown.
     
    Joe Hill: is a personal hero of mine, and I doubt very much that you need any education from me about him.

     
    Pretty Boy Floyd: Like Railroad Bill, an outlaw with a Robin Hood reputation, active in Oklahoma during the depression. The song takes a very sympathetic tone towards his exploits, which are in fact pretty violent. Like a number of other bank robbers from the era with similar folk-hero status, it comes from massive public ill-will towards the banks due to foreclosures etc.
     
    Hard Travelin’:Woody Guthrie sings about being Woody Guthrie. I also recommend Andy Irvine’s tribute to Guthrie, Never Tire of The Road.

    Wreck of the Old 97: Happened at Stillhouse Trestle in 1903.
     

    The rest are mid-century country, folk, or rock ballads, mostly made up from whole cloth, with the obvious exceptions of Jesse James and Billy the Kid, although the songs themselves are still from the mid 20th. (I apologize if I’m telling you things you already know, incidentally)

  365. 365
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Esteleth:
    I wondered about the nym link bit. Mine links to my FB page, but I do not recall setting it up that way.

  366. 366
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    Mine links to my FB page, but I do not recall setting it up that way.

    Do you sign in via facebook?

  367. 367
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    I think dinner might be a bit late tonight. The next-door neighbor, who braids the Redhead’s hair every so often, father died this week. The Redhead is talking to her after she hung up the hanging flowers we sent. I suspect a lot of things need to be talked about. Good thing I don’t have to work tomorrow.

  368. 368
    chigau (違う)

    I like Christopher Moore’s books.
    I don’t think any of his characters are particularly likeable.
    The female protagonist in Sacre Bleu is fucking evil.
    So I didn’t see his treatment of her as misogyny.

  369. 369
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Chigau
    I don’t know, I found the protagonists of Fluke to be pretty likable, and Theo Crowe and Molly Michon are decent sorts as well.

  370. 370
    Weed(less) Monkey

    I must squee! Today I got a brand new keyboard to my 6 year old laptop (HP Compaq nx7300, it wasn’t one of the fastest ones even then, but it was built to last) and it’s exquisite as it was anew. It survived six years of hard wear, breadcrumbs, sticky bits of pot and the occasional beer bath, and the new one will certainly survive the the rest of the lifetime of this piece of machinery.

  371. 371
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    SQUEE.. I’m hearing from grumbles from the storm proceeding our ten degree top in temperature. Not soon enough….

  372. 372
    chigau (違う)

    But the gravatar remains the same…

  373. 373
    chigau (違う)

    That’s too creepy.

  374. 374
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Thanks for the sympathy and hugs folks. I’ve been invited to his memorial, which, appropriately enough, is going to be up on Mount Buffalo. I hope it’s at a time when I can ride there, that would be fitting.

    Dalillama!

    Seeing Richard Thompson play that song in a solo, acoustic concert was one of the most sublime musical experiences I’ve had. I was a +1 for my friend Pete and knew nothing about RT. I enjoyed the first couple of songs but then he played VBL and all I could do was turn to Pete and gape. Pete had this big, shit eating grin and later admitted that he hadn’t talked up the show because he wanted to see my face when I realised how good RT was. Guitar chops out the wazzoo, song and solo structures that often subvert the stereotypical and yet somehow work, emotional singing, good story telling, and an engaging* stage presence, it really was fantastic.

    *I’m told that RT can be a bit inconsistent in concert, if he’s not feeling it he’s apparently not shy about showing it. YMMV.

  375. 375
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    Great! Seeing a seven degree drop in temperature in a few minutes. How does one spell R-E-L-I-E-F?
    Shakes fist at Mother Nature *need another 0.5 inches of rain*.

  376. 376
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    Rq @185, did you tell the Barbie-apologists that Barbie is based on a sexy toy doll that used to be handed around in German bars to amuse the drunks? See “Bild Lilli.”

  377. 377
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    Beatrice @132:

    In today’s news: a teenage girl suffocated her newborn….

    People who oppose abortion forget that we calmly teach about the great Roman empire, with its tradition of displaying each newborn child to its father and his right to choose whether to pick it up and welcome it into the family or to turn away and leave it to die. Frankly, I think abortion is kinder.

  378. 378
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    Try again! Beatrice @132:

    In today’s news: a teenage girl suffocated her newborn….

    People who oppose abortion forget that we calmly teach about the great Roman empire, with its tradition of displaying each newborn child to its father and his right to choose whether to pick it up and welcome it into the family or to turn away and leave it to die. Frankly, I think abortion is kinder.

  379. 379
    Portia

    ‘rupt, but I was reading the discussion about books and have a book event to announce today. I finished The Carpathian Castle by Jules Verne, which a friend gave me. It was a long slog and I’m less than impressed. If that makes me a Philistine, so be it.

    I’m much more excited about starting on Drift, by Rachel Maddow, which I finally got my hands on. (And yes, I mean that literally, because I’m a dead-tree-book person. I understand all the reasons people like e-readers, but I just can’t stand reading on a screen if I can avoid it. And I love the feel of having a book in my purse to pull out. I stare at a screen long enough as it is).

    Also, I don’t know what to do about this client who has emailed me 10 times in the last two days urging me to take actions in his case that I have explicitly told him I don’t want to take because it won’t help and may harm his cause. I just…I don’t know what else to tell him. Gah.

  380. 380
    Portia

    carlie:

    Speaking of books, I’m taking some time today to go to a friends of the library book sale, in which I expect to find all sorts of treasures at dirt-cheap prices to add to my collection. Can’t do that with e-readers.

    Ooooh, yes, exactly. There’s actually a booksale at my mom’s library in the morning, we’re going to find some treasures. I supposed there are sometimes e-books on sale, but it’s just not the same ^_^

  381. 381
    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    I just…I don’t know what else to tell him. Gah.

    Obviously a True Beliver™ who doesn’t care about the facts. Just show him/her your bill in case they don’t succeed,and what they must pay the opponenra lawyer’s fee’, however they are distributed in your are….

  382. 382
    cicely

    Not at ohm. At owrk.

    Resistance is measured, both at ohm and at owrk.
    I find that said resistance is louder at ohm than at owrk, but Your Mileage May Vary.
    The experiment is repeatable, but there are variables.
    -
    *pouncehug* for Weed Monkey, and congrats on the Joys of New Keyboard Ownership.
    -

  383. 383
    chigau (違う)

    Fucking blackflies.

  384. 384
    Portia

    I knew I shouldn’t have taken the bait my obtuse* stepdad laid out re: Trayvon Martin. So why did I do it? I just got ridiculously upset. He brought up the disproportionate incarceration statistics, and said incredulously “And you’re saying that’s because of racism?!” I may have shouted when I said “YES.”

    *Obtuse is the kindest word I can think of right now.

  385. 385
    carlie

    Portia – good luck!

    We’re quite limited in funds right now, but did select a handful of things we couldn’t leave without. The fun part is being around so many other people who also love books: seeing kids squee out loud at finding just the right one, having someone next to you chime in on your conversation about whether the series you’re looking at is good enough to keep reading, seeing someone sitting on the ground outside the tents surrounded by piles, happily checking their own spreadsheets they brought with them to make sure they weren’t getting any duplicates.

  386. 386
    Portia

    Ooooh, forgot to say:

    Three cheers for Giliell!

    *hugs* and grog for FossilFishy.

  387. 387
    Portia

    carlie:

    That description makes me even more excited about tomorrow :)

    We’re going to yard sale too, if we’re lucky. There are a lot of uupper middle class people around here who have cheap sales. Lots of scores to be had :D

  388. 388
    carlie

    Oooo, yard saling! I’m lazy about it – don’t like going unless it’s a high-traffic day like a neighborhood sale where everybody is doing it at once. :) But sooo much fun!

  389. 389
    Portia

    Yeah, we’re more or less gonna keep an eye out on the way to the library :) I do love yard saling so much.

  390. 390
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    …yard saling…

    That brings up images of my youth prior to the downhill slide. I remember pretending to be a boat tacking against the wind across the front lawn. And it has an odd literary connection in that one of the characters in Arthur Ransome’s Swallows and Amazons did the same thing at the beginning of the book. No doubt were I got the idea from. /wallowing in unusually good nostalgia

  391. 391
    Portia

    FossilFishy:

    :) I love it when nostalgia is so sweet.

  392. 392
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Nerd @366:
    I usually remain signed in, so I do not always log in…not sure to be honest, but it is quite possible.

  393. 393
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Whew!
    Fewer fleas on Krystal.
    Only a handful on my kitties.

    Have never bombed my home before.
    How does that work?

  394. 394
    Portia

    Tomorrow my uncle’s gonna take me to the driving range so I can hopefully avoid embarrassing myself at the bar association golf outing in a couple weeks. I wasn’t going to play but then a partner at a local firm asked me to round out their foursome so here I go, diving outside my comfort zone!

  395. 395
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Me too Portia, all the more so considering its rarity. As an indulgence and a spur to that feeling I just bought myself some ripple chips and french onion dip. Another fond memory I have was being allowed that as a treat, usually when my parents were having a party. And even better was later that night when I would sneak out after bedtime and have MORE!!1!! while my parents were distracted.

  396. 396
    Portia

    FossilFishy:
    Omnomnom That is one of my favorite “nothing in this is healthy” snacks. I could gorge myself on it.

  397. 397
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Portia

    The somewhat shameful gorging is continuing apace, now with added vigour because I’m eating your share too. :)

    You know, you’re really killing me today, in a good way.

    My first thought on seeing your post about golf was: is that a real thing, corporate golf dates?

    My second thought was: Go Portia!

    My third thought was: I wonder if that little pitch and putt I used to go to in my yoofths is still there? And it is! I was never any good, I’d lose a lot of balls, it would always rain but it was a lot of fun. I even got a hole in one on the third hole. The seventh hole has a house behind it where the grounds keepers? owners? lived. I never managed to hit it, but those who did were legendary amongst my friends.

    I think I may in fact be wallowing in nostalgia at this point.

  398. 398
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Ripple chips?
    Sounds similar to Ruffles…
    ***?
    All of a sudden, I recalled the ‘Shake N Bake’ commercial from the 90′s.
    “It’s shake n bake. And I helped!” said the child actor/actress.

    (Is ‘actor’ a male gendered term? Or can it apply to any gender?)

  399. 399
    Menyambal

    Tony, a *hug* for you for your Thunderdome writing.

  400. 400
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    Yup, Tony. Ripple chips is a generic reference to the wavy ones with the structural integrity to withstand dipping while Ruffles is a brand of that type.

    I’m pretty sure that using actor for any gender is now an accepted usage.

  401. 401
    rq

    Ripple chips and onion dip. Mmmmmmm…
    Probably not a healthy breakfast food.

    +++
    Vampires!

  402. 402
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Good morning

    *hugs and snuggles all around*

    Need a lab assistant?

    No, it’s a well-behaved puppy

    +++
    rq
    You married an Igor? Impressive!

    +++
    Suffocated newborns?
    Well, they found a dead newborn in the woods this week. Born alive, killed after birth. They find one every few years. I don’t doubt there are more who are never found and there are some where the remains will show up in the future. One of my great relifs is to know where the nearest German equivalent of PP clinic is. I’m planning to make very sure the girls know it, too. Because seriously, the thought of another pregnancy and baby give me fucking nightmares.

    +++
    Oh, btw, remember “Giliell’s quest for a backpack”?
    It keeps going on.
    So, I demanded that the vendor of the first one takes it back. I bought it via the Amazon marketplace and tried using their system to take the necessary steps. According to Amazon the vendor should reply within two days. That was last Tuesday.
    In the meantime I found another one from a different shop. this time I went for one made by a company that has its main business in outdoor equipment so I figured out they would know how to construct a backpack suitable for carrying largish weights. And I even found a model that is last year’s colour so it comes with a nice 35% sale tag. Ordered it, paid via paypal.
    Half an hour later I got mail “Sorry, something went wrong while processing your data, please order again, here’s a 5€ voucher for your pains”. No problem. Who doesn’t like to get 5 bucks for the equivalent of 120seconds work? And the I saw that both transactions had been deducted from my paypal. Wrote them a mail. “oops, sorry. We cancel the surplus order and here’s your money back”. So I got the higher first price back. But they still sent it twice.
    But it is exactly what I’m looking for in a backpack: laptop compartment, big main compartment for block,folder, books, smaller one for breakfast, two nets on the sides where I can put my teabottles. And it’s a nice baby-blue :)

  403. 403
    rq

    Giliell
    I almost married an Igor. ;) If I had, I wouldn’t be married to Husband (not legally, really – I could contest it, at any rate… if I wanted to). Not enough of a hunchback to fit the image.

    Dead newborns used to be a fairly ‘common’ thing here (I say ‘common’ because it wasn’t just one or two a year, but several), but numbers have been reduced due to the installation of a Baby Box in a couple of the hospitals in the capital (and now several in regional hospitals, too). Leave the newborn, no questions asked, completely anonymously… I’m convinced it has saved a few lives.
    Recently there was talk of removing the anonymity factor in order to prosecute the mothers for abandonment of parental duties or some such, but there was a lot of outcry against it and the subject was dropped. (A good thing.)

  404. 404
    rq

    Husband and I are being spontaneous, packing up the kids and going here.

  405. 405
    Weed(less) Monkey

    /returns *pouncehugs* to cicely (I’ve always pronounced your nym in my mind the easiest way, si-si-li)

  406. 406
    David Marjanović

    *intends to pouncehug several people*

    *quietly drops on the floor*

    O hai! I’m legally insane all weekend! Listened to the entire conference live, in bed, all the way to 7 am. Now it’s almost 1 pm, and at 3 pm the conference resumes – the meatspace part of the day probably needs to be done by then. kthxbai

  407. 407
    David Marjanović

    Husband and I are being spontaneous, packing up the kids and going here.

    …There is no telling how much I love the URL http://www.ahhaa.ee, or the fact that a science center is called AHHAA.

  408. 408
    chigau (違う)

    Fucking ravens.

  409. 409
    Portia

    My second thought was: Go Portia!

    Thanks :)

    And yes, corporate golf dates are very much a thing, ha. I’ve felt for a while now that I should learn to golf simply because it’s how so many members of my field socialize.

    In other news, my Asshole Grandpa is still an asshole. He feels the authority to interrogate me like I’m a fucking five year old, not a fellow adult. He just gave me a whiny speech about how “we used to be friends when you were younger” …yeah that’s because I saw your patronizing as just how adults treated kids. But it never stopped. Gawds.

  410. 410
    Portia

    Oooh, almost forgot: I got a dozen books for $9.50 at the booksale. I’m very pleased.

    Have fun, rq!

  411. 411
    Owlmirror

    Fucking ravens.

    I seem to recall that ravens, before they commence fucking, do some awesome coordinated aerial acrobatics.

    Or is that eagles?

    Here, a raven was fucked up by a porcupine, and is helped by a human.

    http://youtu.be/hlwxLtFQcrY

    Because, y’know, opposable thumbs.

  412. 412
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    Ravens are awesome. Even my wife, who hates birds, loves ravens.

    Ravens play games. One of the clinic buildings in Sitka has a metal roof. One raven would fly to the top with a pebble, and drop it down one side. The other ravens lined up in a gauntlet and lunged at the pebble as it skittered down the roof.

    Other times, I’ve seen one fly rather high with a morsel of food, and drop the food, and other ravens would dive at it, grab it before it hit the ground, fly higher into the air, and drop it as the first one had.

    Ravens are awesome.

  413. 413
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    This talk of birds has me wondering why Hollywood has not remade The Birds. I do not want them to, but it is surprising in this era of the remake.
    ****
    Menyambal:
    Thank you.

    ****
    Are a lot of you participating in FtBCon?

  414. 414
    Lynna, OM

    Hobby Lobby, the company that thinks corporations have religious beliefs that should be protected, won a sort-of victory in court yesterday.

    Hobby Lobby was the first business run by evangelical Christians to file suit against the birth control mandate last year. Its owners say that covering certain forms of birth control in their worker health plan would violate their religious beliefs.

    Lawyers for the company argued that it deserved an exemption from the mandate for this reason, even though the business itself is not religiously affiliated.

    The judge stayed the case several months to allow the government to mount an appeal. In the interim, Hobby Lobby can refuse to follow ObamaCare’s contraception policy without facing fines….

    The Hill link.

  415. 415
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Does anyone need rain?
    I will have a chat with Mother Nature later and implore her to send all this wetness to your location. Just send me a S.A.S.E. with $10K and you can get lots of rain.

  416. 416
    Lynna, OM

    Governor Rick Scott of Florida is not interested in rescinding the state’s “stand your ground” law, but he does have a solution: prayer.

    Add this to the list of stuff Republicans do to look good while they actually do nothing to solve problems.

    Saying “emotions are running high,” Republican Gov. Rick Scott of Florida formally called for a “Statewide Day of Prayer for Unity,” following last week’s verdict in the George Zimmerman trail that’s sparked large protests in the Sunshine State.

    The day of prayer is set for Sunday.

    Excerpt from the proclamation:

    WHEREAS, tragic events compel us to a time of deep reflection and prayer to find strength and peace in uncertainty; and

    WHEREAS, Floridians are unified in not only their resilience, but also in being a people of great humility, kindness, and compassion;

    NOW, THEREFORE, I, Rick Scott, Governor of the State of Florida, do hereby declare
    Sunday, July 21, 2013, as a STATEWIDE DAY OF PRAYER FOR UNITY IN FLORIDA.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/19/florida-governor-sets-day-of-prayer-for-unity/

  417. 417
    carlie

    This talk of birds has me wondering why Hollywood has not remade The Birds. I do not want them to, but it is surprising in this era of the remake.

    It’s called Birdemic.

  418. 418
    blf

    This talk of birds has me wondering why Hollywood has not remade The Birds. I do not want them to, but it is surprising in this era of the remake.

    “They” are trying, according to The Pfffft! of All Knowledge:

    In 2007, Variety reported that Naomi Watts and George Clooney would star in Universal’s remake of the film, which would be directed by Casino Royale director Martin Campbell. … [Tippi] Hedren [who was the lead female in the original] stated her opposition to the remake, saying, “Why would you do that? Why? I mean, can’t we find new stories, new things to do?” Development has been stalled since the 2007 announcement. …

    I once heard a definition of actor that was (paraphrasing from memory) “Anyone, female or male, who can play Shakespeare.” And an actress was “a girl who takes her clothes off in a movie”. The person doing the “defining” is a well-respected Shakespearian actor (female), so I suspect there was a bit of bias there (to go with the obvious ambiguity and lack of completeness) — but she was quite clear that “actor” had evolved into a non-gendered term.

  419. 419
    mouthyb, Vagina McTits

    Tony: I wish it worked that way. We’re in year bazillion of a drought. If we thought it was possible, I’m sure I could raise the money locally (if nothing else from people with yard gardens.)

  420. 420
    blf

    A Canadair/Bombardier waterbomber just flew overhead. Hire some to deliver the rain. Also, I think the last remaining operational Martin Mars waterbomber is available…

    (No, there is not a fire in the area (that I know of). They are just practising scooping up water from the Mediterranean. I happen to live under one of several approach routes they use to “land”.)

  421. 421
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Who wants a Veronica Mars movie.

  422. 422
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Tony,
    I haven’t watched the whole series, but I have seen a large part and loved it. While I am generally suspicious of movie versions, this one looks nice, mostly because the actors look like they had so much fun making it.
    I’ll watch it.

  423. 423
    blf

    Spotted at Bad Science:

    [UK's] Prince Charles has secretly lobbied the Health Secretary to back discredited homeopathic medicines.

    The Prince and Jeremy Hunt — both strong supporters of alternative therapies — held a meeting at Clarence House last week.

    Homeopathy and alternative medicines were on the agenda, according to well-placed sources. The NHS already spends millions each year on alternative medicines, at a time when it is restricting life-saving drugs for those with cancer.

    Charles is understood to be unhappy that government plans to set up a register of practitioners of herbal and Chinese medicine — designed to give them an element of respectability — have stalled.

    But a Labour MP accused the Prince of promoting ‘voodoo medicine’ and both the British Medical Association and the Commons science and technology committee say the NHS should stop funding homeopathic treatments because of a lack of evidence they work.

    The BMA has described homeopathy as ‘witchcraft’, and two weeks ago the Advertising Standards Authority said homeopaths were putting people’s lives at risk by discouraging them from seeking medical treatment.

    Despite this, Mr Hunt has been outspoken in his support for homeopathy. In 2007 he signed a Commons motion welcoming the ‘positive contribution made to the health of the nation by the NHS homeopathic hospitals’. He has also defended it in a letter to a constituent.

    The Prince has long been accused of meddling in Government policy.

    Whilst the above quote is from the Daily Fail, it fits an established pattern of Mr Windsor not comprehending the democratic process whilst also being oblivious to reality.

  424. 424
    blf

    The mildly deranged penguin is wondering what the sentient-but-stoopid tunnelling cider is doing. Or for that matter, just where it is. There has been an increase in fumes emitting from the tunnel’s entrance, which she (and I) presumed from it being somewhere near, or enroute to, Ingerland, to watch the cricket. It is, after all, the Ashes, which means Ingerland now have a splendid opportunity to try out their newest and hopefully most hilarious ways of loosing a game.

    The Ashes are an attempt to avoid getting the burnt remnants of some British Industrial Cheddar exported to Ozland a century or so ago. The Ozlanders did something sensible and burnt the shipment, albeit the waste is so toxic they’ve been trying to get rid of it ever since. And the Inglanders don’t want it back, hence the frequent wars-by-proxy called “Teh Ashes”.

    So desperate is Ozland not to get the remnants back (Ingerland were silly enough to “win” them back in the last few attempts), they have taken to playing like Ingerland. This has so befuddled Ingerland they have been unable to avoid establishing a massive lead in the current game, so unless they have some new and as-yet-undeployed method of losing, they might actually win the game (and thus be in danger of winning the series and hence having to keep the toxic waste urn).

    The sentient-but-stoopid should be watching all this with interest, but we’re a bit puzzled if it is, or where it is doing so. The mildly deranged penguin sampled some of the fumes from the tunnel. It apparently tasted like pan-fired Mastodon-with-a-lemon-and-chilli seasoning, which is not very informative. She wasn’t able to identify which chillies, but thinks the lemon was yellow.

  425. 425
    Weed(less) Monkey

    Because of my stupidity and fucking around with extension cords I now have a freezer full of inedible last season blueberries, Baltic herring and cow beestings I wanted to use for a really fancy pancake. As a first aid measure I refroze everything, but it’s going to take some time to throw everything out, recover the boxes and clean.

  426. 426
    Weed(less) Monkey

    inedible last season blueberries, Baltic herring and cow beestings I wanted to use for a really fancy pancake.

    Try it, it’s sublime.

  427. 427
    chigau (違う)

    I agree that ravens are awesome but I wish they’d keep their opinions to themselves at 5 AM.

  428. 428
    cicely

    ABC social experiment catches racial profiling on camera
    -

    (I’ve always pronounced your nym in my mind the easiest way, si-si-li)

    Then you have done well, Leaf-hopper.
    :)
    -
    *pouncehugging* the floor-flopped Marjanović

    O hai! I’m legally insane all weekend!

    So what’s wrong with being legally insane on weekdays?
    -

  429. 429
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    My brother tells me of seeing Japanese ravens cooperating to raid the garbage; different types of garbage are left bagged separately on the curb, and people put the food waste on the bottom, to keep the scavengers off. In response, the ravens will work in teams to shift the upper bags enough that another one can go in, tear open the food bag, and haul a bunch of stuff out that they then all eat.

  430. 430
    Acolyte of Sagan

    427.
    chigau (違う)
    20 July 2013 at 7:08 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    I agree that ravens are awesome but I wish they’d keep their opinions to themselves at 5 AM.

    I think they’ll be crows or rooks; ravens are notoriously late-sleepers ;-)

  431. 431
    chigau (違う)

    AoS
    I’m at 63°N and these things have a wingspan of over 1 metre.
    They’re ravens.

  432. 432
    Portia

    My haul from the library sale. :D

    I also got two new peasant sundresses at a bazaar, from a vendor with great prices. Looove them.

    Swimming with the nieces and nephews, lovely day of reading and napping….I am getting really refreshed.

  433. 433
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Hi, all. Threadrupt.

    Did the concert at Zane Grey Days at Upper Delaware National Scenic and Recreational River in Lackawaxen, PA. It was hot (not as hot as at home, but a heat index of 105F).

    Did two 40 minute sets (playing and information about the songs). The rewrite I did for The Good Ship Callabar went over quite well. A woman asked me where I found that version. My reply? “I did it myself.” She was impressed. Apparently, she is easily impressed.

    Just smoked a Hoyo de Monterrey Excalibur corona and had two fingers of Dewar’s White Label. Excellent. Listened to Bach’s St. John’s Passion while enjoying the vice.

    It is supposed to cool down to 64F tonight and tomorrow should only be 80F.

    Wife is working tonight. A 60th anniversary gig for a local high school. She was supposed to be done by 8:30pm. It is now pushing 9:00 and they have (thanks to a historian giving a power point presentation about the history of the area of the high school (he was doing it historian style — here is a photo, I will now spend 15 minutes telling you everything about it — not using the photos to help illustrate a story (NPS style))) only just begun to clean up and get everything set up for tomorrow’s Sunday lunch buffet.

    I had a couple of scout dreams last night. Really bad dreams. But they seem to be affecting me the same way that the 9/11 dreams hit me — really scary, I wake up in terror, realize that I am safe, and back to sleep. I didn’t spend the next three hours torturing myself.

    Watching the Tour de France (taped delay). Today is a mountain stage, finishing with a beyond category climb. Cruel. Not sure I could drive it, much less go up on a bicycle.

  434. 434
    FossilFishy (NOBODY, and proud of it!)

    I stayed up last night to watch that stage live. It rocked, enjoy. (I won’t go into why for obvious spoilage reasons) And now I’m so tired I really shouldn’t be playing with power tools, but promises were made…

  435. 435
    Dalillama, Schmott Guy

    Ogvorbis
    Good to hear on pretty much all counts, there; nightmares are bad, but at least it sounds like the seffects are less bad than before.

    I spent much of my day holding down the desk at the tool library due to a lack of volunteers; even coffee and donuts won’t bring the lazy bastards in apparently, although that’s new as of last week, so the word may not have gotten around all the way yet.

  436. 436
    cicely

    I didn’t spend the next three hours torturing myself.

    *confetti&fireworks&champagne&cheese*
    -
    Careful with the power tools, FossilFishy! You need all your bits.
     
    Well, apart from the non-essential organs, that is. Take gall bladders (please!), for instance…
     
     
     
    Hand me that saw, will ya?
    -

  437. 437
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Careful with the power tools, FossilFishy! You need all your bits.

    Especially for power drills. Without drill bits, drills are rather useless.

  438. 438
    cicely

    I wonder…would drilling be my better approach to the problem?
    -

  439. 439
    chigau (違う)

    Have you met any drillers?

  440. 440
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Have you met any drillers?

    Well, there is my dentist . . . .

    G’night, all.

  441. 441
    Esteleth, [an error occurred while processing this directive]

    So.

    Was in the Immigration panel on FTBCon. And – again – the YouTube comments features discussion of cats.

  442. 442
    Rev. BigDumbChimp

    Watching the Tour de France (taped delay). Today is a mountain stage, finishing with a beyond category climb. Cruel. Not sure I could drive it, much less go up on a bicycle.

    Nairo Quintana is a beast. He’s got a cool story too.

    Been pulling for him all tour.

  443. 443
    Portia

    Ogvorbis:

    I’m sorry you had bad dreams but I’m happy for the improvement.

  444. 444
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    Is it stupid that I’m finding online dating discouraging only a week in? :/

  445. 445
    blf

    I also got two new peasant sundresses

    I though stripping the serfs was kindof frowned on thesedays?

  446. 446
    John Morales

    blf, what stripping?

    (Peasants may be heavy, but they’re wearable)

  447. 447
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Beatrice @422:
    I love Veronica Mars but have never seen the second season. I recently rewatched all of the first season and loved it as much as watching it first run. That is one show that should easily pass the Bechdel Test.
    ****

    Looking for the silver lining on my transportation issue is not that difficult. In fact, I do not even view it as a silver lining. I have shared some of my cab stories and I can honestly say that getting to listen to the varied cab drivers I have had has been incredibly interesting. If I remember correctly, I have had 3 black men, 1 black woman, 2 white women, and 3 or 4 white men as drivers (obviously, I have gotten repeat drivers a few times). Tonight was no exception to interestung conversation. I had a white guy, @50 who inquired about my feelings on the Zimmerman trial. I shared pretty much the same stuff I have said here, though it was abbreviated for time. During the conversation, the subject of privilege came up (I was trying to explain why race was an issue in this trial in a way that someone blind to institutionalized racism could understand*). We went off on a few tangents related to race (what about all the black people who died in City x? Non sequitor, not relevant to the discussion), one of which I was glad to briefly dip into. The driver mentioned how he listened to people for years and one thing he was sure of is that black people (really it was black WOMEN) have more children out of wedlock and that was one of the things holding blacks back. I realized he had not read any of the stuff I have, and that his opinion was formed by listening to people, I told him that just because he heard the same statement from multiple sources did not make it true. I told him truth is not determined by the number of people who believe something and that he should verify whether they are telling the truth. When he tried to interject, I just pointed out that he has no way of knowing that he has been told the truth if he does not verify for himself.
    At which point I turned back to the Zimmerman case to make the final point that race was relevant bc of Zimmermans 911 call history, as well as his comments.

    As I got out of the car he thanked me for having an intellectual conversation about a subject.

    I felt kinda good on multiple fronts.
    The primary being the skeptical front.
    If something I say gives someone pause to think about a truth claim, or if it plants a seed of doubt in someone, that gives me hope.

    Hope that what little I have learned, especially with regard to truth claims, can be passed on and benefit others.

    So yeah, silver lining.

    *of late, I have found myself wanting to explain things to others, but lack time. Does anyone have a handy, quick response to explain patriarchy or privilege, or any number of other issues (it need not be one I have discussed…if you have developed a handy, shorthand way of describing an important concept, I would love to hear)

    ****
    Once again, I have this community to thank for opening my eyes to so much and the friendliness and willingness so many have to educate and inform; I want to add that the contributions of some may only be in The Lounge, but that is no less informative and/or educational than arguments in the latest sexism related thread. Many are the links i have read that broadened my horizon; and THAT is valuable.

  448. 448
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    I have to add another bright spot. Over the course of the last two days, three people have generously offered to assist me in transportation. One of my cab drivers said he would be more than happy to work out a deal with me for transport at a lower rate. Two of the servers at my restaurant, upon hearing the expenses offered to take me home whenever they could help.

    I got kinda choked up in each case. I have log been the guy to offer help when I hear someone needs it. Regulars here know how much I did for T without asking for anything. The prideful, independent part of me grudgingly accepts help when offered, but it isn’t without “are you sure?” or “I do not want to put you out”. I need to train myself to accept help from others. When offered with no strings, out of the kindness of someones heart, that is a gift. We all need help sometimes, and I may be accustomed to giving the help, but I need to accept it when it is offered.

  449. 449
    blf

    Peasants may be heavy, but they’re wearable

    Bit too warm for this time of year, need to feed them (and — very important — potty-train them), and there’s the problem of where to keep them at night (just too heavy for the hangers in the wardrobe). Whilst peasants show up every now and then on the fashion show catwalk, you’re more likely to find people wearing dinosaur fur loincloths then peasants thesedays.

  450. 450
    rq

    Global consciousness: look at that!

    +++

    Well, the science centre yesterday was a bit smaller than it looked in pictures, but it was certainly impressive. I rode a bike across a tightrope, saw a Wilson’s cloud chamber (which, for some reason, was a lot of food for thought), and realized I am horribly out of shape (they had a bunch of those exercise bikes and machines where you can light up lightbulbs or see how many calories you’re burning and stuff, and I got on one, and had heart palpitations for 20 minutes afterward).
    Oh, and there was a mirror maze. A small one, but I’ve always wanted to try one, like in horror movies (the kids almost got lost, hee hee).

  451. 451
    rq

    re: wearing peasants
    John Cadiz has some great cartoons about the Wilds of Canada, including one captioned “Canadian fur lobby wins: fur lovers must now wear the entire animal, alive.”
    Pictured: a woman lugging a bison with very wide eyes, asking it, “You have to go prairies again?” in frustration.

  452. 452
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    rq:
    How goes it over there?

  453. 453
  454. 454
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Um, wow.
    I like porn.
    Usually the gay kind, but occasionally heterosexual porn interests me.
    I did not expect, in my online searches, to come across PG pictures of a very good looking gay rights activist and politician! There is no nudity, so I am reasonably certain this is safe for work (the site itself is gay porn, but I think the link is just to pics of this guy, but just to be safe, treat this as NSFW).
    I think I just sat there, jaw dropped, muttering ‘whoa’ about 7, 8, or 30 times.

    http://www.queerclick.com/archive/2013/07/perhaps_the_sexiest_politicians_ever_bri.php

    ****

    Good morning Beatrice :)

  455. 455
    WMDKitty -- Survivor

    Tony

    Whoa. He is yummy looking!

  456. 456
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    WMDKitty:
    One of the many things I have learned as I have gotten older is that there isn’t a certain type of guybI am attracted to. I remember when I first came out, I was quick to rattle off ‘my type’, but I eventually came to realize that I have been attracted to a variety of men. In addition, I started feeling as if I was somehow settling by liking a guy ‘not my type’. With that feeling came the realizatiin that I have liked many guys, often for different reasons and it is somewhat insulting to think of Guy #1 as ‘my type’, but not #2, even though I would still go out with #2. That led me to accepting that I like what I like and to an outsider, the fact that I often comment on the buff guys on the beach might mean that is my type, but if you were to ask me, I would say that is one of many kinds of men I like.

    (Kinda rambling there. I never really expressed any of that, and it was nice to get it out)

  457. 457
    blf

    But is he wearable?

  458. 458
  459. 459
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Ok, he just got even more attractive!

    “Finally, as a reminder, Mr. Speaker, I do believe that this has been entirely forgotten by too many of my colleagues here today – each of us put our hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution; we did not put our hands on a constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.”

    — Representative Brian Sims (D-PA) on House Bill 818, legislation that would prohibit state-run i http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/brian-sims nsurance from covering abortions.

    Would that more politicians felt the same way!

    The link also has a pic with him in a “This is what a feminist looks like” t shirt.

    Triple swoon….
    (Ok, I think I am done)

  460. 460
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Heh heh, just wait til Beatrice sees the above :)

  461. 461
    blf

    Good morning

    Nope, sorry, wrong planet. Whilst sun three is admittedly just below the horizon at the moment, suns one, two, and four are all quite visible. There won’t be one of those ridiculous “nights” for several more centuries. Besides, that’s an absurd legend; you need constant sunlight or else you’ll turn into several vampires’s zombies and a cherry cream pie.

  462. 462
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    I know this is a sentence that can spawn a thousand puns, but I have to comment: “That’s a huge dog!” (Tony’s first link, fourth photo)

    —–
    I like that statement, Tony, but now it makes me think… Wouldn’t it make sense to swear on the constitution to uphold it? Since what you are swearing on needs to be something you hold in high regard*.

    *so everyone swearing on the Bible** makes loads of sense *eyeroll*
    **wait, how is that even ok with the whole “freedom from religion” thing, since it holds one religion above others?

    —-
    Don’t you hate it when wordpress logs you out while you’re writing a comment, so that when you try to submit it you get the “You need to be signed in to post a comment” message? /rhetorical

  463. 463
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Beatrice:
    Thats a really good point. I wonder why too.
    (And yes, I friggin hate when WordPress does that).

  464. 464
    Menyambal

    Tony, that man is good looking, indeed. He’s handsome and hunky, without being pretty.

    Speaking of pretty, I just watched part of _Une Parisienne_ from 1957. I had to Google a bit to figure out it was Brigitte Bardot looking so “sex kitten” as they seemed to call it then. I’d heard of her, of course. There’s some distinguished-looking and well-dressed men in there, too. (For what it’s worth, I also looked up the jet airplane (it’s a Morane-Saulnier Fleuret, and there’s a glimpse of a Fouga Magister). There’s a website for movie airplanes!)

  465. 465
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    No answer for the question, but a quick search turns this up:

    This week, as members of the 113th Congress were sworn in, Representative Kyrsten Sinema (D -Ariz.) drew attention as she placed her hand over a copy of the United States Constitution, instead of the Holy Bible. The last time this change of pace occurred was in 2007 when Keith Ellison (D – Minn.) requested to be sworn in using the Quran.
    http://www.policymic.com/mobile/articles/22443/kyrsten-sinema-uses-constitution-not-bible-to-take-oath-of-office

  466. 466
    opposablethumbs

    Tony you definitely rock. And I love hearing about your conversations with people.
    .
    Ogvorbis, sorry there were nightmares but very glad to hear they didn’t linger this time. That sounds pretty significant.
    .
    I wouldn’t mind if we had more politicians who held attitudes like that … gay rights activist, feminist, opposed to church privilege, what’s not to love?

  467. 467
    Menyambal

    Beatrice, I’ve been snarling about worshipping Bibles over in Thunderdome. Txpiper is back.

    _Trumpet Voluntary_ played on a mountain dulcimer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUYTrP7_ulU

    I just mentioned seeing a jet airplane in a movie. They had the engine sound wrong.

  468. 468
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Tony,

    Oh, I like her! Her act can’t be criticized without one showing how little they actually value US Constitution.

  469. 469
    blf

    I know this is a sentence that can spawn a thousand puns

    I know this is a sentence that can call forth a thousand peas
    I know this is a sentence that can churn a thousand groans
    Puns know this sentence can spawn a thousand amateur cynics
    This sentence can spawn a thousand knowing groans

    (Nope, sorry am having trouble here, the pun extruder seems borked.)

  470. 470
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Good morning
    Too sad I have totally no time for FtBCon this weekend :(

    +++
    Portia
    Congarats on hunting success

    +++
    So, this week, while chatting nervously before the exam the topic came towards makeup. Better said about the fact that it has happened to several of us have made the experience that on a day we wore no make-up somebody very preoccupiedly asked us whether we were ill or feeling well.
    I mean, WTF? It’s nice that you worry about our wellbeing, but since when does “not wearing make-up” indicate “being ill”?

    +++

    So, yesterday I set out to make #1′s start of school dress.
    Now i knew it would be a challenge since the design she picked wasn’t a good choice for the fabric, because it’s a light jersey strech and a quite dense design. But it went reasonable well until…
    Well, apparently the powerline wasn’t reall plugged in and halfway into the design I lost power.
    Aaaaaargh. And of course I had flipped and repositioned and resized the design and of course I had NOT saved the changes.
    Managed to save it, but I tell you, my heart stopped for a moment….

  471. 471
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    I mean, WTF? It’s nice that you worry about our wellbeing, but since when does “not wearing make-up” indicate “being ill”?

    I don’t think that, at least most of the time, whoever worries about your health has even consciously noticed you don’t have make-up – or more probably, that you were wearing make-up all those other times. That’s the thing with the natural look achieved with make-up, the one a lot of women choose for every day. People have gotten so used to this “natural” look, that they start believing that is our actual face, and don’t even notice make-up unless it’s bright colors or heavy linings.

    It’s a WTF situation, definitely.

  472. 472
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    I can quickly get heavy bags under my eyes, a couple of nights of bad sleep are enough, so I probably do look a bit ill when I don’t cover them. Especially with my whiter than white skin color.

  473. 473
    Acolyte of Sagan

    431.
    chigau (I don’t like this eternal ‘nym thing, either)
    20 July 2013 at 7:37 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

    AoS
    I’m at 63°N and these things have a wingspan of over 1 metre.
    They’re ravens

    My mistake. I guess the ones I’m most used to – the resident flock at the Tower of London – have gotten lazy; maybe because they don’t need to fend for themselves, just wait for the tourists to turn up from 9am :-)

  474. 474
    blf

    Its been so hot I bought some ready-to-drink Gazpacho and am having that for lunch whilst I wait for Ozland to finish imploding in today’s Ash Comedy Routine. Decent, but typical French blandness. And smooth.

    I like my Gazpacho chunky with heaps of tomatoes, garlic, chillies — sort of a semiliquidized salsa. This stuff is too liquid and isn’t even close to proper spiciness. Can’t do much (with what is on-hand) about the lack of chunks, but I can attack the lack of spice: I’ve been dumping in several metric fecktons of assorted hot sauces (having run out of onions and garlic to layer on top). A ratio of c.1:5 Death Sauce:Gazpacho seems to work nicely.

    I should perhaps try making some Gazpacho from scratch. Which, for some reason, reminds me, I haven’t made any Vichyssoise in yonks…

  475. 475
    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    Boy has come up with a new possible ultimate poultry dinner. You’ve heard of the turducken, right? A boneless chicken, stuffed, inside of a boneless duck inside a boneless turkey? He wants to create a penturducken. A turducken stuffed insided a boned penguin.

    Last night, Boy and I had dinner at a Chinese buffet. And after we sat down, the place was invaded by godbots. And every one of them had a name tag and, above the name, it read, “God’s Word is TRUTH!” And I wanted, so much, to ask them how they knew what god’s word was? But I didn’t. I’m a wimp.

  476. 476
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    Ogvorbis:
    I think not saying anything may have been good. You were outnumbered and it is possible that asking your question might have created more annoyance than it would have been worth. We all have to pick our battles

  477. 477
  478. 478
    Beatrice, an amateur cynic looking for a happy thought

    Ups, “bastards” isn’t actually part of the link, but my observation… Obviously. *blush*
    Even with the added bit, the link still goes to the right place, though.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/21/us-fighters-drop-unarmed-bombs-on-australia-great-barrier-reef-marine-park-in

  479. 479
    Nick Gotts

    I guess the ones I’m most used to – the resident flock at the Tower of London – have gotten lazy – Acolyte of Sagan

    The Tower ravens have the flight feathers of one wing clipped to prevent them flying away – they can fly short distances. There’s a legend that if ever the ravens leave the Tower, the Crown will fall. Why British anti-monarchists have never taken the obvious course of action, I don’t know. Much easier than getting an Abolition of the Monarchy Bill through Parliament, let alone getting the royal assent.

  480. 480
    Portia

    The peasant discussion made me guffaw.


    Tony: That’s really great that people are willing to help. I have the same complex about accepting help, I know exactly what you mean. But you are clearly endearing and kind and people want to help you. Let them! You deserve to have some kindness after all you dole out.

    Thanks, Giliell!

    I mean, WTF? It’s nice that you worry about our wellbeing, but since when does “not wearing make-up” indicate “being ill”?

    It’s just a touch rude to me, it usually happens when I’m cranky or tired that people ask how I am like that. The subtext always seems to be “You look like shit.” If I’m particularly cranky or made so by the remark, I say “What a nice thing to say, you look great too.” : /

    Managed to save it, but I tell you, my heart stopped for a moment…

    Whew.

    But I didn’t. I’m a wimp.

    There was a whole mob of them. It was self-preservation.

    Back outside to play with the three year old niece and nephew. They are the funniest little things, keep me laughing all the time.

  481. 481
    mildlymagnificent

    Tony, thinking about getting across the idea of privilege in a minute or less.

    Everybody’s heard the old adage about “walking a mile in another’s shoes” – what if we need to walk a couple of years in another’s shoes before we really understand what their lives and their problems are really like? Dunno whether it emphasises the fact of difference and disadvantage enough, but something along these lines might do as plan b when there’s not enough time/ too much potential for getting offside with someone unnecessarily.

    As for accepting others’ generosity. I’m a smoker so I often give others a free smoke when I’m out and I refuse to accept payment, even from those who insist. I tell them that I’m paying forward – they should do the same when they’re in the position to do it for others. You can accept such offers on the basis that you know that you will give similar help to someone else when the need arises. You don’t need to tell them that, but it will help to make your acceptance less reluctant and your response to them more accepting and gracious.

  482. 482
    Lynna, OM

    Moments of Mormon Madness questioned by one of their own:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/us/some-mormons-search-the-web-and-find-doubt.html?pagewanted=all

    Watch the video at the top of the article. The guy in the video is, as far as we know, the highest guy from the mormon hierarchy to question mormon church history and dogma. The article could be even more hard hitting (they let church leaders get away with the “every church has these challenges” reply), but all in all it’s pretty good. And it’s on the front page of the New York Times.

    Excerpt:

    ■ Why does the church always portray Joseph Smith translating the Book of Mormon from golden plates, when witnesses described him looking down into a hat at a “peep stone,” a rock that he believed helped him find buried treasure?

    ■ Why were black men excluded from the priesthood from the mid-1800s until 1978?

    ■ Why did Smith claim that the Book of Abraham, a core scripture, was a translation of ancient writings from the Hebrew patriarch Abraham, when Egyptologists now identify the papyrus that Smith used in the translation as a common funerary scroll that has nothing to do with Abraham?

    ■ Is it true that Smith took dozens of wives, some as young as 14 and some already wed to other Mormon leaders, to the great pain of his first wife, Emma?

  483. 483
    Lynna, OM

    This is related to my post @482. The high mormon mucky muck referenced is Hans Mattsson, a Swede who once oversaw all of of Europe for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The link below leads to a transcript of the meeting in which other high mormon mucky mucks hastened to Sweden to put out the bonfire of questions.

    The transcript is instructive, in that the Swedes ask intelligent questions, and the high mucky mucks twist, dodge, tap dance and are incapable of providing any answers.
    http://mormonstories.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Turley_Jensen_Stockholm_2010.pdf

    You’ll have to read past a lot of “in the spirit of love” and “spirit of the devil” crap to dig out the meat of the discussion. The repeated calls to self-brainwash are disconcerting, as in:

    If we keep doing it, we will feel good about it.

  484. 484
    Lynna, OM

    From Salon, a discussion about atheism and women:

    http://www.salon.com/2013/07/21/from_hitchens_to_dawkins_where_are_the_women_of_new_atheism/

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    rq

    Tony
    That was an amazingly goodlooking man in that link you left.
    Sorry I wasn’t around to chat, things have been rainy here and I had to be at work.

    +++

    Speaking of legends, there’s a legend that, once every year, a man (sometimes a giant) comes out of the Daugava river and asks if Riga is finished yet. If the answer is ‘yes’, Riga will disappear under water; if the answer is ‘no’, the man goes away for another year. Well, it’s been raining so hard the past three days, I’m starting to think someone said ‘yes’…

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    blf

    (Quote hastily mined before who-know-you sees it…)

    He wants to create a peaturducken.

    Why ruin a turducken with a bunch of peas?
    Next you’ll be suggesting a bovipeaturduckens, several peaturduckens stuffed inside a cowhorse.

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    blf

    The peasant discussion made me guffaw.

    Ah yes, there’s that drawback to wearing them as well: They get restless and tickle you.

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    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    Does anyone have a handy, quick response to explain patriarchy or privilege

    To me, the first-approximation take-home of the “privilege” concept is that:

    1) how people perceive you changes how they treat you, even if you don’t want it to.
    2) how people treat you affects your perspective of what’s “normal.”
    3) thus, you may not really understand or think about the way other people are treated and how it affects their experiences because you don’t experience it, and in particular because you don’t “have to” deal with certain kinds of treatment.

    But I’ve been told that’s Wrong when I tried to express the same concept in different words, so who knows.

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Speaking of legends, there’s a legend that, once every year, a man (sometimes a giant) comes out of the Daugava river and asks if Riga is finished yet. If the answer is ‘yes’, Riga will disappear under water; if the answer is ‘no’, the man goes away for another year. Well, it’s been raining so hard the past three days, I’m starting to think someone said ‘yes’…

    Oh, I know that one, but in my book of fairly tales it was Tallin and the devil who helped to build the town.

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    rq

    Giliell
    Yes, I’ve heard that one, too, but obviously Latvians have the Real Version – just like Latvians invented the first Christmas Trees (not the Estonians in Tallinn, as they like to believe…). ;)

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    blf

    [T]here’s a legend that, once every year, a man (sometimes a giant) comes out of the Daugava river and asks if Riga is finished yet. If the answer is ‘yes’, Riga will disappear under water; if the answer is ‘no’, the man goes away for another year.

    In reality, it’s an Atlantean who materializes somewhere promising and asks if there is any intelligent life on the surface. If the answer is “yes”, Atlantis will surface; if “no”, the search continues…

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    rq

    Oh. Also, I now own a second octopus. A green one. :)
    It will join the orange one in attempting to eat the Indigestible Horse.

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    blf

    [The green octopus] will join the orange one in attempting to eat the Indigestible Horse.

    Yeah, it’s back to that cunning plan now that the attempt to dispose of horses by feeding them to gullible long pigs as cow has been disrupted.

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    blf

    Big pharma mobilising patients in battle over drugs trials data:

    Leaked memo from industry bodies reveals strategy to combat calls by regulators to force companies to publish results

    Drugs companies publish only a fraction of their results and keep much of the information to themselves, but regulators want to ban the practice. If companies published all of their clinical trials data, independent scientists could reanalyse their results and check companies’ claims about the safety and efficacy of drugs.

    Under proposals being thrashed out in Europe, drugs companies would be compelled to release all of their data, including results that show drugs do not work or cause dangerous side-effects.

    While some companies have agreed to share data more freely, the industry has broadly resisted the moves. The latest strategy shows how patient groups — many of which receive some or all of their funding from drugs companies — have been brought into the battle.

    The strategy was drawn up by two large trade groups, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) and the European Federation of Pharmaceutical Industries and Associations (EFPIA), and outlined in a memo to senior industry figures this month, according to an email seen by the Guardian.

    The memo, from Richard Bergström, director general of EFPIA, went to directors and legal counsel at Roche, Merck, Pfizer, GSK, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Novartis and many smaller companies. It was leaked by a drugs company employee.

    The email describes a four-pronged campaign that starts with “mobilising patient groups to express concern about the risk to public health by non-scientific re-use of data”. Translated, that means patient groups go into bat for the industry by raising fears that if full results from drug trials are published, the information might be misinterpreted and cause a health scare.

    Two other strands of the campaign include discussions with scientific associations about the risks of data sharing, and work with other businesses that are concerned about the release of trade secrets and confidential data. The final strand calls, in the long term, for a network of academics across Europe that can be called on to correct false interpretations of the data. “That is deemed to be happening in any case,” the memo concedes.

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    Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human.

    blf:

    That was penturducken. No peas (unless in the stuffing (mmm. stuffing with peas (drool))).

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    rq

    I’d prefer an ostripenturducken. More eating for everyone.

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    rq

    blf

    Yeah, it’s back to that cunning plan now that the attempt to dispose of horses by feeding them to gullible long pigs as cow has been disrupted.

    The octopoda now have to take out their own garbage?

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    blf

    That was penturducken. No peas (unless in the stuffing…)

    Whilst the mildly deranged penguin will happily stuff herself with ducks, trukeys, geese, chicken, peacocks, swans, and other wannabe ex-dinosaurs, preceeded, accompanied, and followed by a selection of nice cheeses and fine vins, she does not like the ideas of skeleton removal, pea insertion, or having to fend off forks, chopsticks, knaves, and other distractions.

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    Chris Clarke

    I’d prefer an ostripenturducken. More eating for everyone.

    Let’s go whole hog and do an apatoelephostripenturduckenigeon.

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