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  1. angrymudcrab says

    I would like to walk with, to paraphrase Sagan, a candle in the dark.

  2. says

    This message brought to you by Muggers Anonymous. Mugging people who walk about in the dark for 2000 years.

  3. UnknownEric the Apostate says

    Yeah, but God’ll just laugh at you every time you walk into a tree, so…

  4. rq says

    Wait. I think I completely disagreed with that whole message. So much fear of the light, so much lack of one’s own abilities. *sigh* Trust in god, indeed. He’ll take you nowhere, but you’ll feel special!

  5. RFW says

    It’s word salad, phrased to appeal to a certain type of person but entirely lacking any real meaning.

    I always thought coming into the light was a pretty-pretty-bad-poetry way of saying “find God”, so the whole thing may even qualify as an oxymoron of sorts.

  6. says

    See, that’s just prejudiced against darkness. Nothing wrong with it. Easier to see the cosmos, lots of interesting nocturnal animals out and about, often nicer weather than the daytime in high summer, and peace and quiet.

  7. raven says

    The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir. Carl Sagan

    Carl Sagan and normal people.

    I would rather walk with god in the dark than go alone in the light.

    Fundie xian idiots

    Whatever. It’s a free country, after all.

    But there are problems with that idea.
    1. There are demons and satan in that dark. Created by that god who lets them run around doing whatever they do.

    2. God is imaginary and doesn’t do anything in the real world.

    3. Try walking in the dark with “god” and without a flashlight and you will soon run into an obstacle, fall, or get stuck in a thicket. You will just have to wait for day light like everyone else.

  8. thumper1990 says

    Anyone else wondering if “darkness” and “light” are metaphors for “ignorance” and “knowledge”?

  9. chigau (違う) says

    I don’t get it.
    What are they trying to say?
    How many metaphors were mangled to produce that?

  10. kemist, Dark Lord of the Sith says

    I would rather walk with god night vision goggles in the dark than go alone in the light.

    But that’s probably just me.

  11. chigau (違う) says

    thumper1990

    Anyone else wondering if “darkness” and “light” are metaphors for “ignorance” and “knowledge”?

    I am now.

  12. says

    People like that need to realise that even if God walks with you in the dark it doesn’t mean he’s actually going to help you if something bad happens. Plans beyond mortal ken and all that rot.

  13. mythbri says

    @composer99 #7

    See, that’s just prejudiced against darkness.

    Agreed. I know that in general, light and dark have universal use as cross-cultural metaphor because we’re diurnal mammals.

    But I always get a sour taste in my mouth when those metaphors are used in a religious context, because of my Mormon upbringing. The idea that the color of your skin is an indication of your, or your race’s righteousness or lack thereof, is disgusting.

  14. mythbri says

    Jeez. I know that last sentence might seem like a non-sequitur, but I promise it made sense in my non-caffienated mind.

  15. says

    Pinterest is full of this same kind of shit, although to give credit where due there’s also a lot of atheist pinning going on.

    The one that grinds me the most isn’t religious but is posted in the Science category all the time and says, “Stars can’t shine without darkness.” Oh, FFS! They shine all the time, we just can’t see them sometimes because our own star is shining too brightly.

    And then of course below stunning photos of incredible landscapes or space nebulae (or really, anything breathtaking) there are the usual comments left praising god for his handiwork.

  16. Ulysses says

    Some more mixed metaphors, this time from the Bible:

    They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. Jude 1:13 NIV

  17. chigau (違う) says

    Zinc Avenger

    And I’d rather own a unicorn than never eat cheese again.

    Ah.
    That clears things up.

  18. sundiver says

    Ah, but it’s better to tapdance with a crustacean than play Yahtzee with the devil. Or something. Seriously, Demotivators called out this pap with their poster that read “If a pretty picture and trite saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have an easy job. The type machines will be doing soon”.

  19. greg hilliard says

    Reminds me of the old bumper sticker: God said it, I believe it, that settles it. To which I add, OK, you’re a dumbass.

  20. dianne says

    Though I walk through the valley of the shadows* I will fear no evil…because I’ve got a cell phone with a flashlight app that lets me see where I’m going and I can call 911 if anything in the valley scares me. Thank you scientists, engineers, and city planners.

    *Yeah, I know, that’s not actually the quote, but I see it misquoted that way often enough to feel justified in using the misquote.

  21. frog says

    Ah, yes, the people who curse the glare when someone lights a candle.

    Only very sad people would prefer to be stumbling around in the dark while other people are off getting shit done because they’re making use of all the resources available to them. Of course, religion in general and fundamentalist religions in particular extoll the very most useless activity.

  22. quarky2 says

    The gist of “I would rather walk with god in the dark than go alone in the light” is:

    “Ignorance and god is preferable to knowledge and enlightenment”.

  23. changerofbits says

    So, given that the metaphor is dark=ignorance and light=knowledge, does this mean their invisible friend is ignorant now? I thought this friend knows all and farted out light on whim. I’m going to stop now before my brain implodes into a singularity.

  24. frog says

    Obligatory movie!Gandalf quote:

    “You cannot pass! I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor. The dark fire will not avail you, Flame of Udûn! Go back to the shadow. You shall not pass!”

    (movie!Gandalf because I don’t have the books handy. Sorry.)

  25. Artor says

    “Anyone else wondering if “darkness” and “light” are metaphors for “ignorance” and “knowledge”?”

    I’m not wondering. That’s exactly how I read it. If you’re walking with Gawd, you ARE walking in “darkness.” Lighten up and take a look at the real world. It’s amazing!

  26. Ulysses says

    Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil…for I am the evils asshole in the valley.

  27. nullifidian says

    thumper1990 @ #9:
    Anyone else wondering if “darkness” and “light” are metaphors for “ignorance” and “knowledge”?

    Not me. I’m quite sure that that’s the message they intended to convey.

  28. Louis says

    Even with all the abhorrent misogyny and what not pouring from the fingers/mouths of a subset of my atheist confreres, I do have to hand it to religion. Pretty much any religion. When it comes to banal slogans that make my arse clench with the stupidity of them, they truly do take the biscuit.

    Religionists and sundry woomeisters have all the same drivelling bigots that any other segment of society has, perhaps more, I’ve never counted, but by fuck can they take perfectly pleasant individual words and mash them into a shit salad of mind bending nature. Just goes to show, eh?

    Louis

  29. says

    They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. Jude 1:13 NIV

    I did not realize that Portishead was quoting the Bible inthis cool song.

  30. notsont says

    I get several similar ones every single day on my facebook wall, I’ve blocked the ones who do it 2-3 times a day but still get plenty. If you point out how irrational or disturbing the messages really are, you becoem the bad guy.

  31. says

    Found the source!

    894. Not Knowing

    By Mary Gardiner Brainard

    Not knowing the things that shall befall me there.—ACTS XX. 22.

    I KNOW not what will befall me: God hangs a mist o’er my eyes;
    And thus, each step of my onward path, He makes new scenes arise,
    And every joy He sends to me comes like a sweet surprise.

    I see not a step before me as I tread on another year;
    But I ’ve left the past in God’s keeping,—the future His mercy shall clear, 5
    And what looks dark in the distance may brighten as I draw near.

    For perhaps the dreaded future is less bitter than I think;
    The Lord may sweeten the waters before I stoop to drink;
    Or, if Marah must be Marah, He will stand beside its brink.

    It may be He keeps waiting, for the coming of my feet, 10
    Some gift of such rare blessedness, some joy so strangely sweet,
    That my lips shall only tremble with the thanks they cannot speak.

    O restful, blissful ignorance! ’t is blessëd not to know;
    It keeps me still in those mighty arms which will not let me go,
    And lulls my weariness to rest on the bosom that loves me so. 15

    So I go on not knowing,—I would not if I might;
    I would rather walk in the dark with God than go alone in the light;
    I would rather walk with Him by faith than walk alone by sight.

    My heart shrinks back from trials which the future may disclose,
    Yet I never had sorrow but what the dear Lord chose; 20
    So I send the coming tears back with the whispered word, “He knows.”

    Clarifies the meaning somewhat but the issue I have with it is that there’s not a choice between ignorance of the future and theism. You have pretty much the same data to work with whether or not Mr. Deity is out there because his communications to us are indistinguishable from people making it all up.

  32. says

    @38: Indeed [quickly hunts through MP3 player, presses "play"].

    Everyone should have at least a passing acquaintance with the Bible, the way they should have an acquaintance with Shakespeare [/shameless_anglocentrism], because our culture is full of references to both of them. (But the latter, on the whole, is a better read)

  33. Scientismist says

    Many, many years ago, a close friend invited me to watch a church choir rehearsal. The song title was: “Life is worth the living, just because He lives.” Conversation ensued later. My friend was not happy with me.

  34. Rey Fox says

    I did not realize that Portishead was quoting the Bible inthis cool song.

    I KNOW!

  35. Dauphni says

    composer99 @7

    See, that’s just prejudiced against darkness. Nothing wrong with it. Easier to see the cosmos, lots of interesting nocturnal animals out and about, often nicer weather than the daytime in high summer, and peace and quiet.

    You must not live very far north, where especially winter nights are long, dark and dreary, instead of cool, calm and lovely as they are further south.

  36. UnknownEric the Apostate says

    See, that’s just prejudiced against darkness. Nothing wrong with it. Easier to see the cosmos, lots of interesting nocturnal animals out and about, often nicer weather than the daytime in high summer, and peace and quiet.

    Don’t forget that AM radio waves conduct better at night, so the winter gives me more chances to pick up Kansas City or somethin’.

  37. Pierce R. Butler says

    Note which gender is explicitly targeted by this dreck.

    How can women function without a daddy nearby to help them, poor things?

  38. stevem says

    re kemist@11:

    I would rather walk with god night vision goggles in the dark than go alone in the light.

    You evil, evil sith, you. Technology is only for you evil siths. How dare you imply that is the best way to walk in the dark. Better to walk in the dark and bump intoencounter trees directly. For shame, tsk, tsk, tsk.

  39. kagekiri says

    Er, considering that the Christian God likes calling himself “Father of lights” and a “lamp in the darkness”, this doesn’t even make Christian-babble sense.

    John 8:13
    When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

    So….you’re certainly not walking with the right god. Maybe try again, Christians?

  40. says

    You know who else likes it when we are all sitting around in the dark? Thieves. Rapists. Murderers. Thugs of all kinds.

    Kind of like the Christian God.

  41. anchor says

    Man, they sure prefer life gloomy, don’t they? What a depressing image of life they harbor.

    Of course, there is a strong motivation of sorts: they must then rely on a savior to rescue them from the gloom of their own making.

    As Christine Rose has found:

    “I would rather walk with Him by faith than walk alone by sight…My heart shrinks back from trials which the future may disclose…”

    In other words, they abrogate their responsibility to determine their course in life, because:

    “Yet I never had sorrow but what the dear Lord chose;…So I send the coming tears back with the whispered word, “He knows.””

    Isn’t it funny how an irrationally inspired “whispered word” that appears in the head, and something as arbitrary as ‘faith’, should trump the illuminating flashlight of human knowledge and the reason and science and the consequent know-how technology that makes it available for useful application in a real natural world within which any creature or society of them must survive, dare I say so, in peaceful coexistence – interaction via trade as opposed to war, for example. There’s obviously a lot more coming from outside the head than a ‘whisper’ coming from inside it.

    Based on history , on the particular Abrahamic tradition, its certainly not as if any of those pesky offshoot commandments about not coveting your neighbor’s property or wives (or any other ethical or moral tradition they claim) have any force when it comes to relations with the other. They conveniently suspend their ‘god-given’ ideals for ANY potential prize. So they might as well conquer them – completely dominate them.

    The mindset runs internally: it all boils down to the establishment of a common view of a means of acquiring power, which regards everything as property, potentially to be exploited – to be absorbed and dominated – including their very own women and children and anybody who is weak, as well as anything perceived to be ‘other’, including other races, people of ‘contrary’ sexual-orientation and, strangely enough, other creeds.

    Its always a system specifically designed to separate the wheat from the chaff, but that’s how the system works: by enabling and enforcing a rule that is NOT applicable to everybody.

    What is perhaps most amazing is not so much that such a despicable environment of institutionalized schizophrenia and the rampant supernaturality it spawns and preserves can become the basis for cultures, or even that they can become dominant across the globe, but that such cultures haven’t swiftly extinguished themselves for the anti-natural and anti-reality world views they operate under and have continued to promote over the last 5000+ years or more.

    There can be only one reason for this, I suspect and submit, and that can only be due to civilization. Most if not all of them have functioned on the premium of political and economic control of property largely orchestrated by an elite patriarchal class that have historically run societies.

    That’s how economic and political power has been systematically obtained, and that long tradition has been quite effective in training the inhabitants of various cultures (like ours) to reap power and influence by exploiting and dominating those who are least able to protect themselves.

    As long as people continue to cleave to the preposterous idea that “He Knows” more than they do when it comes to the serious business of conducting one’s own life based on the challenges which actuality in nature presents, we as a culture will continue to give this horrible idea a voice which it doesn’t deserve. Its high time to make another separation, and once and for all make it stick: the difference between the culture of ignorance/stupidity and the culture of reason/science.

    There is no other way that will see humanity and the rest of the biosphere beyond the next century or two. And the first thing that must accomplished is that our numbers on this poor planet must be reduced to at least a tenth of our current numbers – or we are inevitably doomed.

    /end rant

  42. Uncle Ebeneezer says

    Just when you thought bioluminescent species couldn’t get any cooler…they’re probably atheists too!

  43. says

    You know, one thing I think makes for a good father figure is one who does not actively try to make you vulnerable all the time so you constantly require his salvation.

  44. says

    It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

    > what is a grue?

    The grue is a sinister, lurking presence in the dark places of the earth. Its favorite diet is adventurers, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its fear of light. No grue has ever been seen by the light of day, and few have survived its fearsome jaws to tell the tale.

  45. roro80 says

    So I’m obviously thinking too hard about this quote, but the part that really angers me — that I think does real harm — is the “go alone in the light” bit. The idea of a god as the only one who can keep us from being “alone” in the world, that he is this thing that knows us better than anyone and is the only one besides ourselves who can truly know us, is harmful, and it’s just untrue. Reach out to your fellow people! We are here, all around you, and we want to make you known and knowable! I want to know you, and I want you to know me. Let us keep each other from being alone. Let us care for each other, and foster human communication and intimacy and love. I don’t want to know and love an invisible perfect omniscient robed dude who doesn’t exist, I want to know and love real, living, breathing, fallable, imperfect, awesome people.

    Stop pretending your only important connection is to god, and go out and engage with your fellow humans.

  46. PDX_Greg says

    Of course, anyone walking in the dark with God should also mull over the that any horrifying misfortune that befalls them will bring out the the God apologists talking about how the omniscient, omnipotent God could not intervene on their behalf because of free will.

    I’m starting to think that Catch 22 must be a chapter in the Bible.

  47. tbtabby says

    This reminds me of the dwarf theology in “Thud!”; since dwarves spend most of their time mining underground, they’ve evolved to see better in the dark than in light, so they associate darkness with knowledge and light with ignorance, ever using the word “endarken” instead of “enlighten.”

  48. adobo says

    Nonsense. There is nothing in the dark except what you bring with you.
    Oh, but be careful on that first step!

  49. sirbedevere says

    You can tell a lot about people by what they fear. “Lucifer”, after all, means “bringer of light”.

  50. John Morales says

    ChristineRose,

    Clarifies the meaning somewhat but the issue I have with it is that there’s not a choice between ignorance of the future and theism.

    Clarifies it plenty (illuminates it): she thinks she is God’s perpetually-surprised toy and she loves it so.

    (Sublimated masochism)

  51. robster says

    Those sadly afflicted with chistianity have developed a talent for creating words and statements that sound fabulous without having any real meaning, like calling the jesus nonsense ‘ good news’ which it obviously isn’t good or news. Walking alone with god or the bay jesus is no different than being alone, as stated by PZ.

  52. DLC says

    “I’d rather walk alone on the beach in the dark with God than with a light ”
    “but god why are there only one set of footprints in the sand ?”
    “because I don’t exist, you stupid pillock!”

  53. bad Jim says

    Lest we should see where we are,
    Lost in a haunted wood,
    Children afraid of the night
    Who have never been happy or good.

  54. karpad says

    Truly we shall all be saved, for as it is written in the good book:

    And I shall shed my light over dark evil, for the dark things cannot stand the light.

    Pretty sure Alan Scott is a biblical character. right?

  55. johnhodges says

    “We have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. ”

    Originally from some poem, I believe. Used as the epitaph of a married couple of astronomers, and quoted from there by Carl Sagan as an opening to a chapter in one of his books, IIRC chapter 8 of COSMOS.

  56. unclefrogy says

    I see little choice I will not cower in the dark with god I will walk out into the light and face my destiny and fate because I know that there were others that went before and there may be others that will follow
    ============>
    Nobody know what I’m talking about
    I’ve got my own life to live
    I’m the one that’s gonna have to die
    When it’s time for me to die
    So let me live my life the way I want to. (jimi hendrix if 6 was 9)

    uncle frogy

  57. gravityisjustatheory says

    I tread the path of Righteousness. Though it be paved with broken glass, I will walk it barefoot; though it cross rivers of fire, I will pass over them; though it wanders wide, the light of the Emperor guides my step.

    - Dolan Chirosius http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ecclesiarchy_Quotes#.UY4K9MqXmM0

    The courageous enter dark caves alone. The clever send in the courageous first. The cleverest wait behind the clever.

    -Bool of Cataclysm, http://syndicate.lubie.org/swars/html/swars_book_cataclysm.php

  58. theignored says

    First, something truly Dark…from Pensacola Christian College:
    http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2013/05/act-iii-keeping-up-appearances-no-matter-the-cost/

    One night during her convalescence there was a fire drill. Cassie was still on the 5th floor of the dorm, even though the Residence Manager and the Dean’s office knew that she could barely walk let alone descend and re-climb stairs. Her roommates were literally forced to carry her. Of course PCC isn’t known for really caring much about fire safety anyway. For years the rule has remained on the books that all female students must be in “proper” attire before they leave their rooms for a fire drill. If you happen to be sleeping in pajama pants, you must take the time to put on a skirt before you try to escape the flames. If you should perish then at least you’ll know you died for the cause of not tempting the fire fighters to lust after you.

    Finally, after trying to tough it out and even trying to go back to class, my future wife had taken all she could bear. She told the dean’s office that she was leaving and they cut up her ID card, the final act of withdrawing from the college.

    The fallout from this?

    After a few weeks of being home my wife received a letter from the college. It should have been a note of apology or a letter expressing regret at how badly they had managed her entire situation. Instead it was a bill for the remaining weeks of the semester since she had crossed the six-week threshold by a few days.

    From The Friendly Atheist blog

    Now, some Light. From, of all places: Ireland/

    No quotes, as it’s a short article, but it is completely made of win.

  59. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    There’s apparently a russian proverb that goes : “‘Night hides the world but reveals a universe.”

    I’d rather walk in the dark and see a multitude of stars than just our one Daytime Star.

    But that wouldn’t mean there’s any god.

  60. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @2. angrymudcrab : “I would like to walk with, to paraphrase Sagan, a candle in the dark.”

    Seconded.

    @8.raven :

    3. Try walking in the dark with “god” and without a flashlight and you will soon run into an obstacle, fall, or get stuck in a thicket. You will just have to wait for day light like everyone else.

    Or hope its a full Moon or very close to that lunar phase.

    Or there’s been a really nearby (but not too close!) supernova that’s shining like a full moon or more or a close passing O-B type star or just maybe a really great comet!

    Or frequent bright bolts of lightning, nature’s fireworks although that has obvious risks attached. Ditto volcanic eruptions and the “white nights” produced by a Tunguska level bolide event.

    @50. barbyau :

    You know who else likes it when we are all sitting around in the dark? Thieves. Rapists. Murderers. Thugs of all kinds.

    Except, they also need light to see with don’t they – usually?

    The idea that thieves and rapists benefit from hiding in the darkness as opposed to other (ugh) techniques is a somewhat misleading one I think.

  61. Eristae says

    I’d rather go in the dark without people telling me I’m going to get raped than try to shove God into any time of day.

  62. anuran says

    And I would rather walk alone in the night, knowing that the darkness holds nothing more terrible than me.

  63. David Marjanović says

    I would like to walk with, to paraphrase Sagan, a candle in the dark.

    Sometimes a flamethrower is the right thing to take with you in the dark.

    (Also, I’m angry today because of the football coach thread.)

    There’s already a name for this. It’s called theolojizzing.

    Thread won.

    Just when you thought bioluminescent species couldn’t get any cooler…they’re probably atheists too!

    + 1

    I’m starting to think that Catch 22 must be a chapter in the Bible.

    + 2

  64. David Marjanović says

    And I would rather walk alone in the night, knowing that the darkness holds nothing more terrible than me.

    “Food chain” is misleading. It’s “food web”.

  65. Amphiox says

    If I need to walk in the dark, I would prefer to go with night vision goggles.

  66. John Morales says

    StevoR:

    I’d rather walk in the dark and see a multitude of stars than just our one Daytime Star.

    One cannot both see starlight and be in the dark simultaneously.

  67. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @81. John Morales : Sure you can – I do that all the time and could do so right now but for the fact its 100% overcast.

    Nothing says the darkness has to be total and darker skies make the stars (& planets) stand out more.

  68. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @80. Amphiox : I prefer to take my 7 X 50 binoculars.

  69. David Marjanović says

    David, how dark is a dark room? ;)

    I don’t get what your point is or where the humor is.

  70. John Morales says

    David, in that original poetic sentiment, the darkness refers to the unknown.

    (It’s allegorical)