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[Lounge #375]

This is the lounge. You can discuss anything you want, but you will do it kindly. Hey, it’s another long weekend of traveling for me, but you’re all going to be extra-specially nice to one another while I’m hindered from monitoring the threads, right?

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  1. Portia says

    Speaking of people who missed Law 101, Romney just said he won’t talk about hypotheticals. Bazinga!

  2. Tigger_the_Wing says

    Portia, in the long and successful career you have ahead of you, this incident is priceless. When you are telling young up-and-coming lawyers the tale of your first. case evar. (suitably anonymized and embellished, of course) just think of the punchline “And I didn’t get so much as a penny for it. Let that be a lesson to you!”

  3. Portia says

    cicely – yes, I think he is doing well at that. Used the word “whopper” to describe one of Romney’s comments, and said that on the campaign trail he was making foreign policy proscriptions that agreed with the adopted policies of the Administration. He also hit him with never having implemented any foreign policy. As well as the 2008 statement that Romney said getting bin Laden wasn’t so important.

  4. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    My father was just trying to talk about a dodo bird, and instead said “dildo bird”.

    The Vought SB2U Vindicator dive bomber, a 1930s monoplane which was obsolete by WWII (though it did see (unsuccessful) combat), was referred to by crews as the Vibrator or the Wind Indicator. So a dildo bird would look like this,

  5. chigau (棒や石) says

    Oggie
    “Ostrichian” is a clever word-play combining “ostrich-head-in-the-sand-denial-of reality” with “ian” to make it sound like a geological epoch (or something sciency).

  6. Portia says

    I love that thought, Tigger! I will be so wise someday : ) Can’t be wise without missteps, right?

    ‎”It’s widely reported that drones are being used in drone strikes, and I fully support that.” – Romney, Obviousbot 3000

    This just in: macaroni and cheese contains cheese.

  7. chigau (棒や石) says

    Janine
    I think I know what that is and I am not clicking.
    (unlike that Paul Anka thing* the other day)
    OMFG
    *Glee covered it!?!‽!?

  8. chigau (棒や石) says

    Janine
    I apologize.
    I clicked.
    I was totally, fractally wrong.
    That is deadly funny.

  9. broboxley OT says

    mac and cheese, that brings back memories. Large family we needed two motel rooms when the kids were younger but old enough the two boys 15 and 10 could share a room.
    15yo didnt like the idea and had a master plan.
    The local BigBoy’s restaurant had a buffet that we enjoyed for dinner. Eldest ate plate after plate of macaroni and cheese. He was lactose intolerant.
    Told him to take it easy but he said it was the best he ever tasted.
    10yo comes crying to our room at 9pm. “I cant sleep in there!” he sobbed. Opened the door to the other room and met a wall….of stink with the 15yo laughing his ass off. “Guess I get this room to myself”
    Yeah, the memories we drag around

  10. broboxley OT says

    Og #7 The Vought SB2U Vindicator dive bomber wow! a new plane to me. thanks!
    Something new in an area you enjoy learning about is a treat

  11. cicely says

    I’ve had romnausea for months, now.

    (Good word, BTW. Rolls right outa the stomach and offa the tongue.)
    -

  12. Patricia, OM says

    OMG Janine! That is SO funny.

    Thunk, I hope for your generation that Obama won, and that he will win the election. I feel like he won, but we’ll see.

  13. chigau (棒や石) says

    Ing
    My goo’ness.
    You are in a mood tonight (diurnal designation relative).
    How do you feel about s’mores done in a microwave?

  14. StevoR says

    @386. blf :

    No, the Daily Fail isn’t a Murdoch paper. It is rather right-wing, wingnuttery even, and in the dim long-ago past (pre-WWII) was openly pro-facist. I don’t think it gives the BNP much time, but as I vaguely recall, it’s somewhat sympathetic to the UKIP(the nutters with Christopher Monckton as their shadow “Science Minister”).

    Ah, okay. Thanks.

    The local Murdoch media here (‘The Australian’ newspaper especially) has been pushing an anti-climate science line very strongly for ages.

    Science minister Monckton? *Shudder*

  15. Patricia, OM says

    Re:nothing, but we always talk about food, so here goes. Naughty Marvin & I agreed to be daring in the food dept. Once a month we try something neither of us has ever tasted before.

    Oh come on! That’s pretty daring.

    So tonight I prepared a dish out of the Rachel Ray Magazine. It’s fennel based. Fennel seed I’ve had in some pickled dishes, but fennel no.

    It did not pass the Bulldog test. And we give it two thumbs down. You may like it though. Here’s a link.

    http://www.rachaelraymag.com/recipe/braised-fennel-with-lentil-quinoa-pilaf/

  16. StevoR says

    @(5?)10.chigau (棒や石)

    Oggie
    “Ostrichian” is a clever word-play combining “ostrich-head-in-the-sand-denial-of reality” with “ian” to make it sound like a geological epoch (or something sciency).

    I like it. It also reminds me of this :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiM1DSmCSUc

    “How to talk to an ostrich” series debunking climate change deniers.

    Note the usual range of carbon dioxide – 180 -280 ppm.

    Current level = 390 ppm.

    Source : http://co2now.org/

  17. Patricia, OM says

    Giliell – How could labour be too fast? I have never experienced it myself, but I was with one friend during the birth of her first child, and the whole process about killed me off. I climbed into the back of my old station wagon in the parking lot of the hospital and slept for hours.

  18. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    Giliell – How could labour be too fast?

    Well, I think installing “gattling style” vaginas would be a bit much.. ^.^

  19. Tigger_the_Wing says

    Too fast would be not enough time for the midwife to arrive before the baby is out, methinks. Or not long enough to get the epidural in. I only had one epidural-assisted delivery, and the drugs only worked on one side (which was weird) but it still beat a ‘natural’ delivery into a cocked hat!

    Other than that, the less time spent in labour the better. (Mine ranged from 4½ hours to 115 minutes).

  20. Patricia, OM says

    Azkyroth – I’m standing in the corner doing my penance, and clutching my crotch. Gattling style vaginas would indeed be too much. YIKES!

  21. Menyambal --- Sambal's Little Helper says

    Patricia, I read that “toxic atheism” article, and really felt he was just making shit up, including the people.

    There’s a storm rolling in here. http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=SGF&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes is NOAA weather radar, my favorite. You will need to click about to get your local radar. It amazes me that we can get such a thing online.

    Is there any advantage to babies to have their delivery take time? I was told that baby chickens have to peck their way out or be forever weak, but I can’t imagine that getting squished for a few hours is good for baby humans. I can imagine shooting some lube in there, maybe even running a hose behind the kid to get some hydraulic pressure going, or putting the woman on her knees like the “primitives” do. Anything to make things quicker and easier. (My gods, there’s one person being extruded, and another person pushing and tearing, and we just let that roll for hours on end?)

  22. Patricia, OM says

    Menyambal – Yep he was making shit up. It burns me up when wanna-be’s do that. If he wants some hellfire atheist that will burn religon and gawd to the ground, he can ask me. I’ll not only show him where the bear shit in the buckwheat, I’ll rub his nose in it.

    *back to the corner*
    le sigh

  23. chigau (棒や石) says

    Patricia
    I think the ‘niceness’ rule is about saying mean stuff directly at commenters here.
    If you want to be ‘mean’ (and link) to a crackpot elsewhere, go for it.

  24. Tigger_the_Wing says

    Patricia, Menyambal, I couldn’t even get to the end of the article because I have reduced tolerance for such immature, self-aggrandising, whining fantasy.

  25. Patricia, OM says

    chigau – Thanks. I’m pissed at religious fools tonight. We have had another young woman snatched, raped, and shot multiple times, then dumped – by a fellow Jehovah’s Witness church member this week here in Oregon. Yeah, he isn’t convicted yet, but he’s the only suspect.

    And yet, the fucking faithful swear they don’t do this. *grrr*

  26. Menyambal --- Sambal's Little Helper says

    Tigger, I bailed out on it, too. Lucky for me, the dog malfunctioned, and I got to go clean it up.

  27. Patricia, OM says

    Tigger – I don’t know where that jackass came up with faitheist. How in the world can you be an atheist and have religious faith at the same time?

    People in my town tell me that I have to have a LOT of faith to be an atheist, yep I do have faith. I have faith that 99% of people will drive on the correct side of the road. I have faith that the sun will come up in the morning. What the hell does that have to do with a Jewish zombie telling me that if I don’t hate my family he will kill me? Luke 14:26 Yeah faith, *spits*

    Oh wait, I wasn’t supposed to read jebus saying that.

  28. Tigger_the_Wing says

    When people accuse me of ‘faith’ in stuff like that these days, thanks to Pharyngula I now say “No, that’s trust, not FAITH. I have trust in those things, because of experience. FAITH is believing in something with no experience at all. And, usually, no possibility of experience”

  29. Orange Utan says

    @Patricia, OM

    Not really surprised to see who the author is. He doesn’t particularly like us does he.

  30. Menyambal --- Sambal's Little Helper says

    Tigger, that’s good.

    Oddly enough, in the early parts of the Bible, it is all about trusting in God, not about believing he existed. The Christians screwed that up, and now it’s all about how much impossible shit they can choke down.

  31. Menyambal --- Sambal's Little Helper says

    Orange Utan, it’s been a while since I’ve had the pleasure of seeing your moniker.

  32. opposablethumbs says

    putting the woman on her knees

    Best practice is for the principal person concerned to pick positions (as opposed to getting “put” in one. I know that was just a turn of phrase, it just kind of grated on a nerve a bit). You move around as and when you feel like it (get up, walk around the room during labour, whatever), and adopt whatever position feels right to you at the time, which may vary quite a lot (and sometimes of course there may be drips, monitoring etc. going on that interferes with this or makes it impracticable). The so-called “walking epidural” is good for this, because it blocks all but the final stage while leaving you free to move around – which in itself can speed things along a bit (can probably, not magically will definitely).

  33. Gen, Uppity Ingrate. says

    Just popping in from LurkerLand to throw good vibes (or whatever you need!) TO Audley and soon-to-be DarkInfant! If she comes tomorrow (the 24th), we’ll share a birthday :)

    My #3 also turned from breech literally in the last week.

    (ROT 13ed for brief story.) Ur jrag ba gb or obea ng ubzr n qnl be fb nsgre gung ynfg qbp’f nccbvagzrag, n jrrx orsber uvf RQQ, orsber V ernyvmrq V jnf npghnyyl ng gur raq fgntrf bs ynobhe-ynobhe naq jrag gur ubfcvgny [zl cerivbhf 2 jrer obgu vaqhprq fb V gubhtug vg jnf tbvat gb trg ZHPU jbefr naq gnxr ZHPU ybatre - naq gura vg jnf gbb yngr gb tb naljurer KQ], vg ghearq bhg FHCRE rnfl naq ab-shff.

    I hope that you, too, have a super-easy and no-fuss birth with DarkInfant and wish you all the best.

  34. Orange Utan says

    @Menyambal

    Orange Utan, it’s been a while since I’ve had the pleasure of seeing your moniker.

    Hit and run comment tonight. Time for bed after a day of studying and dealing with the bank. Fun times.

  35. Minnie The Finn, qui devient bientôt vierge says

    Damn this time difference.

    I’m soon off to the summer cabin for the last night before the winter to clean up and lock the place down. If we still have the electricity, I’ll stay up all night to have a chat with all of you weird-time-zoners.

  36. FossilFishy (Νεοπτόλεμος's spellchecker) says

    AudleyHOORAY for the whirling Darkfetus of Birthiness!

    I’m going to add my vote for reading to the Darkinfant from day one. I believe that there is some evidence that the more words an infant hears as it grows up the better. I remember that it was in the context of educational outcomes and the differences between middle and upperclass families and disadvantaged families. One of those differences apparently was in sheer word count that children heard from all sources and somehow that had follow on effects in education. I can be damned if I remember where I heard it though, so take that for what it’s worth.

    We not only read to The Small Fry from very early, we also talked to her constantly right from birth. We’d narrate what we were doing and why we were doing it. Not only did that help us connect to this little bundle of infantile poop creator as a human, it was something that helped pass the time in the fatigue fogged repetition of early infant care. We also made it a policy to start as we meant to go on as much as was possible. In this case that meant always taking the time to explain things if they were not understood, and since a preverbal infant understands next to nothing we did a lot of explaining.

    The Fry’s verbal skills at all her milestone health checks were far ahead of the average, of course that may be coincidental, anecdote disclaimer and all that. We also pretty much refused to dumb our language down and hooboy has that been successful. At four years old she not only knew what onomatopoeia was, she could pronounce it correctly. Of course spelling it is another matter…. Our reasoning was that large portions of an infant’s brain are devoted to language acquisition so why not take advantage of that and just give her the real words regardless of syllable count.

    Anyway, blah, blah, blah, anecdote, conjecture, hearsay, I’m no expert so I’ll shut up now.

  37. Tigger_the_Wing says

    Oh, FossilFishy, how I wish you were around when I was raising mine. You wouldn’t believe the amount of criticism I got for not dumbing-down my language when talking to the little ones. Another family doing it the same way as us would have been very welcome.

  38. JAL: Snark, Sarcasm & Bitterness says

    Yeah, my labor was too fast. Or we just got to the hospital too late.

    My water broke one evening so I called my doctor. He said don’t worry just go to sleep and relax. This is your first child, don’t go to the hospital til your contractions are 5 mins apart.

    So that’s what I did. I went to the hospital at 4 am. Got into the room, they gave me the IVs so I could get the epidural in 20 mins after the IVs were done.

    I didn’t make it that long. Little One was born at 4:15 in the morning. The nurses and doctors in the room didn’t even notice me pushing. One nurse comes over said “Stop that! You’re not ready to push! It just feels like that because you need to go to the bathroom since pressure from the baby!”

    I kept pushing. There’s wasn’t an option not to, I had to push. Then a doctor checks me, says “Well, well. She’s already at 1 station. The baby is coming!”

    No shit.

    Little One is born all natural with no drugs. That fucking sucked. Yet the contractions were so painful I’m not sure I wanted to endure 5 more minutes of that in order to get drugs. *shudder*

    My doctor shows up 10 mins later. He jokes with the staff about not having my chart because he would have been 20 mins late. So me and Little One get all those shots.

    I’m basically in shock. They hand Little One to me and I’m numb. The same stupid nurse from earlier is like “You can touch her”. I know that but she’s covered in goo and I just want to pass the fuck out, which I can’t do while holding my baby.

    Yeah, natural birth totally allows for bonding. *snort*

  39. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    “Ostrichian” is a clever word-play combining “ostrich-head-in-the-sand-denial-of reality” with “ian” to make it sound like a geological epoch (or something sciency).

    Ah. I now grok in fullness.

    Og #7 The Vought SB2U Vindicator dive bomber wow! a new plane to me. thanks!
    Something new in an area you enjoy learning about is a treat

    I’ve always been interested in the aircraft of the 1930s and the SB2U basically wrote the book for US Navy dive bombers for WWII. They were all variations on that theme.

    Well, I think installing “gattling style” vaginas would be a bit much.. ^.^

    Just imagine what the Duggars could do with that.

    No birthing stories from us men.

    (Yet)

    I can fix that.

    Boy was born while I was in the US Army. Specifically, Wife went into labour while I was recovering from knee surgery at Fort Leonard Wood. So I got leave (well, it was considered medical recovery leave which worked nicely) and I flew to Rhode Island. When I walked in the door, bald and weighing 30 pounds less, in uniform, at 2:00am, Wife looked up and asked, “Who are you?” Then she recognized me and we hugged and kissed.

    Labour for Boy was 64 hours. Yes, you read that right. But he was born after I got there.

    It’s always hardest on the father. Won’t anyone think of the poooooor menz?

  40. broboxley OT says

    StevoR #33 why do sites like co2now.org always use the co2 figures from a monitoring station on the side of an active volcano? Why not use the NOAA combined figures or if they truly wanted to look like an unbiased science site use the figures from the arctic and other non populated areas? The figures dont differ by much. Oh, I see why, my bad
    http://co2now.org/This-Site/

  41. blf says

    macaroni and cheese contains cheese.

    Not when the mildly deranged penguin is finished. Then the vat is empty.
    Unless she’s making it. The macaroni takes too long to subdue and prepare, so it’s cheese and cheese. With a cheese topping. And cheese by the side. A starter of cheese (or, sometimes, MUSHROOMS!), and several reinforced trolleys of cheese for dessert. With a cheeseboard between each course. Sometimes an entire Fromagerie, although she has learned to remove the Fromager.

  42. thunk, Blob Alert! says

    Broboxley:

    use the figures from the arctic and other non populated areas?

    Don’t worry; they agree.

    use the figures from the arctic and other non populated areas?

  43. says

    FossilyFishy:

    We also pretty much refused to dumb our language down and hooboy has that been successful. At four years old she not only knew what onomatopoeia was, she could pronounce it correctly. Of course spelling it is another matter…. Our reasoning was that large portions of an infant’s brain are devoted to language acquisition so why not take advantage of that and just give her the real words regardless of syllable count.

    I like this! I pretty much self-narrate, anyway* and it certainly can’t hurt to talk to DF all the time (like I said yesterday, I already talk and read to her anyhow), so at least maybe I’ll look like less of a weirdo if I’m doing it with an infant in my arms. :D

    Thank you, Gen!

    Just popping in from LurkerLand to throw good vibes (or whatever you need!) TO Audley and soon-to-be DarkInfant! If she comes tomorrow (the 24th), we’ll share a birthday :)

    ‘Sfunny, the date I picked for the c-section was the 24th, so if she hadn’t turned, you two would definitely share a birthday.

    You’ve got some stiff competition for bday sharing: her due date is the 28th which is my dad’s birthday. A couple of friends and Mr Darkheart’s grandmama are the 29th. And, of course, we think it would be hella cool if she was born on Halloween.

    Happy birthday, by the way! ♥!

    Thank you, theophontes!

    Giliell:

    Seems like you have to make it through that icky labour after all ;)

    I know! Booooo! XD
    It’s okay, I’m totes going the painkiller route and the recovery is shorter and easier than having a c-section, so this is definitely for the best.

    *I am the type of person who talks to herself. *shrugs*

  44. FossilFishy (Νεοπτόλεμος's spellchecker) says

    Tigger All I can offer is a clenched tentacle salute in retrospect, with added clam shells of respect because I’m pretty sure that kind of parenting choice was harder in the past. Mind you, I’m in a position of privilege here. (surprise, surprise) No one criticises the dad over language strategies so that may be why I’ve not had too much pushback on it.

  45. FossilFishy (Νεοπτόλεμος's spellchecker) says

    Oh no, Audley I got plenty of strange looks. Mind you it’s still the case here in rural Australia that a father on his own with a pre-verbal infant is looked at askance. It’s all well and good so long as the bub is happy or asleep, then everyone who’s interested wants to have a peek in the sling or pram with the requisite cooing and whatnot. But as soon as the crying starts because it’s nappy change time, or feeding time, or I’m-pissed-that-I-have-to-be-out-in-this-wierd-scary-world-and-not-in-mummy’s-belly-and-hey-where-the-hell-IS-mum time, why, all of a sudden you’re some kind of monster who’s obviously abusing that child. I’m pretty sure wandering around telling said infant about how we’re waiting at the intersection now because we don’t want to get run over by the stupid, smelly cars and so on didn’t help that perception. :)

  46. says

    Tigger:

    When people accuse me of ‘faith’ in stuff like that these days, thanks to Pharyngula I now say “No, that’s trust, not FAITH. I have trust in those things, because of experience. FAITH is believing in something with no experience at all. And, usually, no possibility of experience”

    Consider that stolen. I still get (semantically) tripped up by “faith” and “believe” and the like– it irritates me to no end when people say they “believe” in evolution, even though I catch myself saying shit like that all the time.

    JAL:

    My water broke one evening so I called my doctor. He said don’t worry just go to sleep and relax. This is your first child, don’t go to the hospital til your contractions are 5 mins apart.

    Jesus Christ! I want to throttle your doctor on your behalf.

    I was told to head to the hospital either when my contractions are 5 minutes apart (for at least 40 minutes) or as soon as my water breaks. Or if I had too much pain or got worried about anything– my doc told me that there’s no shame in “false alarms” and he’d rather have me err on the side of caution.

  47. dianne says

    It’s always hardest on the father. Won’t anyone think of the poooooor menz?

    Actually, I really would rather be me than my partner during my daughter’s birth. I got to be all emo and screamy, he had to be calm and support me. But because he was able to support me and the hospital staff was nice, I was able to experience labor as painful but not actually traumatic.

  48. says

    FossilFishy:
    :D

    I think the advantage to living in a small American city is that we get all types– seeing a woman (or a man!) walking down the street and patiently explaining how the world works to a newborn is probably one of the less weird things you’ll see in a day.

  49. says

    @Patricia

    buckwheat groats*
    onions
    ground pork or beef
    egg
    Salt and pepper
    garlic
    bunch of large cabbage leaves
    tomato or mushroom sauce

    -cook buckwheat groats until they’re no longer hard, but still firm
    -throw cabbage leaves into boiling water for about 3 minutes**, then remove the sticky-outy part of the main vein
    -sautee onions
    -mix together the meat, buckwheat groats, onions, egg, salt, pepper, and garlic
    -place some of the mixture on a leaf, roll the leaf up, and if it refuses to stay rolled up, stab it with a toothpick
    -place the rolled up cabbage leaves in an oven dish, pour a bit of water or broth in, then bake for about 30-45 minutes at 350F
    -pour sauce over them and bake for another 10-15 minutes or so

    – – – – – – –
    *some recipes say rice; don’t believe these blasphemous heathens

    **alternatively, core a whole cabbage and throw that into boiling water until it’s soft enough to get the outer leaves off without breaking them

  50. Portia says

    it’s cheese and cheese. With a cheese topping. And cheese by the side. A starter of cheese (or, sometimes, MUSHROOMS!), and several reinforced trolleys of cheese for dessert. With a cheeseboard between each course. Sometimes an entire Fromagerie, although she has learned to remove the Fromager.

    I think the penguin and I would get along nicely.

  51. FossilFishy (Νεοπτόλεμος's spellchecker) says

    [Thinks back fondly to when he was a metropoli dweller] You might have a point there Audley. If I had to do it again in a big city I think I’d make myself a tinfoil hat to wear when on baby-ambling duty. :)

    I must to bed, but in case the whirly-gig Darkfetus denies me another chance I’d like to wish you all the best in your birthin’ experience. May it be everything you hope for and nothing you fear. And may the Darkinfant’s APGAR be 11 ’cause xe’s awesomeness was so obvious to all and sundry, that they just had to turn it ALL the way up.

  52. blf says

    Oh for feck’s sake:

    More than two-thirds of Israeli Jews say that 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank should be denied the right to vote if the area was annexed by Israel, in effect endorsing an apartheid state, according to an opinion poll reported in Haaretz.

    Three out of four are in favour of segregated roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank, and 58% believe Israel already practises apartheid against Palestinians, the poll found.

    A third want Arab citizens within Israel to be banned from voting in elections to the country’s parliament. Almost six out of 10 say Jews should be given preference to Arabs in government jobs, 49% say Jewish citizens should be treated better than Arabs, 42% would not want to live in the same building as Arabs and the same number do not want their children going to school with Arabs.

    A commentary by Gideon Levy, which accompanied the results of the poll, described the findings as disturbing. “Israelis themselves … are openly, shamelessly and guiltlessly defining themselves as nationalistic racists,” he wrote.

    “[…] If such a survey were released about the attitude to Jews in a European state, Israel would have raised hell. When it comes to us, the rules don’t apply.”
    […]

    Some of the often-predictable excuses are mentioned in the article (not quoted above), such as the organization which did the poll has an “anti-Zionist agenda”. Other excuses will be “it’s published in the anti-Zionist (or anti-semitic) Grauniad”, “it’s not apartheid because fill in the blank…”, “the Palestinians have a similar view” (not relevant (and no idea if that’s true or not)), I am anti-semitic (blatantly false and extremely insulting), …

    Assuming the usual denialism goes to course, the substance won’t be dealt with: Some evidence of an appalling and possibly wide-spread racism.

  53. says

    @ blf

    Three out of four are in favour of segregated roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank.

    That is not Apartheid, that is Über-Apartheid. (Not even the most rabidly bigotted misanthrope in the old South Africa would have suggested something so impracticable.)

    What these guys seem to forget, is that they are the same people:

    The Jews who stayed put in Palestine converted to Islam, and became Palestinian Arabs. [my emphasis]

    Link: “The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians”

  54. broboxley OT says

    79# theophontes thats why they often refer to each other as the cousins

    blf
    I wouldnt be surprised at a similar poll taken among whites in America or or Turks in Azerbaijan or whites in the Yukon for that matter. Others are looked down upon and feared

  55. broboxley OT says

    Oh blf, Im not excusing the behavior, the Palestinians desperately need their own country as everyone in the area abuses them as badly as Israel.

  56. says

    @ broboxley

    thats why they often refer to each other as the cousins

    Surely not the bigots? That would be especially perverse.


    While we are still on the subject of idiocy… The Italian courts have just thrown the book at a group of scientists for not predicting an earthquake. WTF?

    Link to BBC.

  57. Portia says

    I’ve just discovered that the weekly Rotary meetings are always begun with a prayer (which was evident) and that the prayer is presented by the member who is assigned that week. Which means…eventually I will have a choice to make. : p Yuck. This morning it was sort of a hymn sung in high soprano by one of the members. Totally grating.

  58. dianne says

    The Italian courts have just thrown the book at a group of scientists for” not predicting an earthquake”.

    Why the fuck do you even need to predict an earthquake? Earthquakes are defended against by building strong enough buildings to stand through any quake this side of the 1000 year GAU. You should be ready for them at any time in an earthquake prone area.

    Also, Italy has just destroyed any chances they might have had of getting scientists to move there for the next couple of decades. Congratulations, guys, I didn’t think anyone could actually do worse than the US, but you’ve managed it.

  59. trinioler says

    broboxley @64:

    Yanno, you could do some reading up on said measurement station.

    A) The station is on the windward side of the volcano, ie, from the ocean.

    B) The station is at the top of a 3km dead space, with no plants, no life, nothing to impact the measurements.

    C) The wind comes from the WEST of Hawaii, ie, from over the ocean.

    D) They remove measurements which are contaminated by the volcano’s activity, as in they do correlations and measure the wind direction to check for this.

    So, in actuality, while it sounds bad, its actually one of the best measuring stations we have for measuring the CO2 over the unoccupied Pacific ocean.

    Do some fecking research next time please?

  60. opposablethumbs says

    blf I feel it is incumbent upon me to inform you that supper tonight is scheduled to consist of Giant MUSHROOMS with (goat’s) CHEESE on top (though I have to confess that they will be accompanied by salad). No goats will actually be present, though I suppose there will be a kid.

    Should we be alert to the possibility of an incoming penguin, or is this (as I suspect) insufficient motivation to tempt any penguin away from CHEESE HEAVEN in the LAND OF CHEESES?

  61. trinioler says

    Oh and how about we assume you’re not smarter than the scientists who do this for a living, please?

    I SO hate when people are like, “HAH! My one minute’s examination has found a flaw in your method!!!” while the scientists are trying to explain how they adjust for the flaw…

  62. broboxley OT says

    87,89 trinioler

    Do some fecking research next time please?

    been doing it for many years now. A website based on raising funds from the unwashed should have used a different source, its a perception thing.

    As far as adjusting for flaws I am probably one of the few people that post here that actually pulled the source code for GISS-AOM and reviewed it to ensure that there was no anomalies. There isn’t.

  63. Portia says

    chigau, I was at first hopeful that there was some secular thing I could get away with that they wouldn’t notice. Then I was disappointed but very amused. Actually, I’m not sure any of them would pick it up if I read that out. : ) Their recitation of pledges and “tests” is pretty mindless, so…

  64. cicely says

    Well, let’s put it this way. You will want to punch Rmoney’s smug face.

    Nothing new there.

    A starter of cheese (or, sometimes, MUSHROOMS!)

    Cheese. Stuffed. Mushrooms!
    -

  65. Dhorvath, OM says

    Is it easy to get the cheese back out of the mushrooms? Don’t want any un-food taint on the yummy stuff.

  66. says

    Portia!
    A little crampy, but that’s from the exam I had at the doctor’s yesterday. Otherwise, pretty good– it’s nice to have some of my range of motion back!

    (I hadn’t been using my laptop for the past few weeks, simply because I couldn’t get into a comfortable position. But now I can use it again because I’m a little more flexible, yay!)

  67. says

    @ dianne #85

    My first reaction is to get angry, then to mock (something about superstitious bumkins with flaming torches and pitchforks). Now I just kinda feel sad that such things happen in this day and age.

    @ Portia/chigau

    [non-goddist prayer]

    We had this recently in Hong Kong:

    A person who is neither a Christian nor a Jew shall be permitted to make his [ed: *cough*] affirmation instead of taking an oath for any purpose for which an oath is required by law.

    Essentially you, as a non-believer (rather than imaginary sky-god), take personal responsibility for statements made. They actually have a laminated script stapled onto a babble, and an equivalent for the torah… so help me god/YHWH. (Though what of buddhists and muslims?)

    Why does this kind of religious shit make it into the legal system?

  68. chigau (棒や石) says

    If you consume the correct mushrooms, there is stuff that sure looks like gods.
    and giant lizards
    and bats
    pink ones

  69. Portia says

    Why does this kind of religious shit make it into the legal system?

    Same reason any other kind of shit makes it there…people are stoopid.

  70. says

    I’ve just discovered that the weekly Rotary meetings are always begun with a prayer (which was evident) and that the prayer is presented by the member who is assigned that week. Which means… eventually I will have a choice to make. : p Yuck. This morning it was sort of a hymn sung in high soprano by one of the members. Totally grating.

    Speaking as someone who has worked in a small town, and been to Rotary meetings, you have my sympathies.

    … as for the choice you have to make: may I suggest you bring a backing track on an iPod, sing The Macarena, and insist everyone participate by doing the dance? Might get that tradition disposed of post haste.

    (/And failing that, just think of the memories you’ll be making.)

  71. Portia says

    “The Macarena is a sacred ritual to me! You’re being hateful!!!”

    …I like the possibilities! :D

    (Insisting on participation would be particularly fun. Especially since the singer demanded bowed heads this morning. I resent feeling like a kindergartener).

  72. cicely says

    Cheese Stuffed Mushrooms, breaded and deep fried!

    With bacon!

    Can I get a Hell, yeah!, brothers and sisters?

    Is it easy to get the cheese back out of the mushrooms?

    The entire stuffing can generally be extracted as a single, delicious whole.

    Ergo mushrooms are un-food.

    I’ll gladly have yours.
    :) :) :)
    -

  73. says

    Insisting on participation would be particularly fun. Especially since the singer demanded bowed heads this morning. I resent feeling like a kindergartener…

    Sweet. Revenge as a dish best served with cringe-inducing dance fads.

    (/Also, you could coach them, between stanzas: ‘Oh, come on Mr. Bailey… That’s not the macarena! You’ve got hips! Use them!’)

  74. broboxley OT says

    Insisting on participation would be particularly fun. Especially since the singer demanded bowed heads this morning.

    I don’t bow head or kneel. If catholics can get used to it the rotarians should be able to handle it.

  75. Portia says

    I’m dying laughing with that mental image, AJ. Brilliant.
     

    If catholics can get used to it the rotarians should be able to handle it.

    You’re probably right. I’m just nervous about marking myself as an outlier in a relatively small group. : / Don’t want to defeat the whole purpose wrt to fitting in and establishing myself as part of the community.

  76. Portia says

    Plus, I hadn’t been particularly “bowed” before, and my lizard brain is telling me that she *noticed* and therefore the instruction was announced for my benefit. I feel like I’m undercover. : p

  77. says

    I don’t put my hand over my heart or recite the Flag Pledge and since that usually occurs in a crowd I don’t have any trouble with it … but when my ILs say grace at their dinner table, I don’t (yet) have the chutzpah to look them in the face while I not bow my head. (I don’t fold my hands though.)

    Why must religious people insist on making others uncomfortable? Isn’t that the epitome of bad manners?

  78. broboxley OT says

    #111 kristine
    I dont look folks in the face in that situation, I look up (but that’s just me)
    I really don’t get the folding of the hands bit, are they worried you are going to strangle whoever materializes out of the ether?

  79. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    ::swoosh::
    The Queer Duck does a fly by on The Lounge. Eyes the mildy deranged penguin, the lovely-almost-ready-to-give-birth-Audley, and hears a conversation about The Macarena. He almost lands until hearing all the talk of mushrooms. He continues his flight without rest. ::swoosh::

  80. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    kristinc:

    I don’t put my hand over my heart or recite the Flag Pledge and since that usually occurs in a crowd I don’t have any trouble with it … but when my ILs say grace at their dinner table, I don’t (yet) have the chutzpah to look them in the face while I not bow my head. (I don’t fold my hands though.)

    My parents still insist that we all hold hands around the dinner table so they can say grace during Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner. They know I don’t believe, but they don’t know that my sister is at the very least non religious (she and I always roll our eyes to each other while the parents bow their heads and close their eyes), if not an atheist (haven’t had that conversation with her yet). I only have to put up with it during the holidays. Out of respect for my parents, and the fact that I don’t see them often, I don’t say anything, but I still don’t like doing it. Why the hell are they thanking god for the meal we’re about to eat? Thank the people that put all the work into getting the food to the supermarket. Thank yourselves for preparing the meal. Thank your family for all being there.

    Don’t thank the imaginary, invisible Sky Daddy.

  81. Rey Fox says

    Um, threadrupt except that mushrooms are just dirt that has taken on a vaguely food-like form.

    I also went to India lately, but haven’t really said much about it on any online forum.

    Um, work to do, carry on.

  82. says

    Billboard: “Shame on Mormonism”
    Link.

    …featured on a mobile ad truck, which will drive around Lynn University (the site of the debate) tonight and then follow the Romney campaign on the road for the next few days….

  83. Portia says

    Kristinc

    Why must religious people insist on making others uncomfortable? Isn’t that the epitome of bad manners?

    So were the Crusades, but nobody listened then either ; )

    In seriousness, I don’t know. It seems like the height of myopia and arrogance to assume without reservation that no one believes any differently than you do.

    AJ

    And, seriously, you do have my sympathy. That whole semi-closeted small town thing, it can be… icky.

    Agreed. I’m just glad no one has asked me to go to church yet. And that I have a handful of close friends to eyeroll with over stupid religiosity.

    broboxley

    I dont look folks in the face in that situation, I look up

    I have this aversion to the deep-rooted feeling of rudeness this gives me. It seems perfectly natural to stand quietly and politely during another person’s ritual, not be disruptive. But somehow my old training rears its head in this area and I feel terrible rude not feigning participation.

    Tony

    TThankfully neither of my parents have been prayers (prayors?) for several years. The extended family does though, and I handle it about the same as you. Sometimes my mom and I have an inside joke where we try to drop ridiculously pious phrases into conversation just to one-up the silliness of phrases like “We’re praying for you.” Our favorites, which have all been said to us at some point by real people, include:
    “I love you. But Jesus loves you more.”
    “That’s what Satan wants you to think.”
    “Well, we’re all sinners.”

    That last one is best in response to mention of a horrific crime.

    My great aunt tells people that since her husband passed, she’s now “married to a rich Jew.” Yep. She means Jebus.

  84. says

    Moment of Mormon Madness from Mitt Romney:

    My faith has always taught me that in the eyes of God every individual merited the fullest degree of happiness in the hereafter and I had no question in my mind that African-Americans and blacks generally would have every right and every benefit in the hereafter that anyone else had.

    [italics added for emphasis by yours truly]

    That was Mitt Romney answering interview questions from Tim Russert on a Meet the Press in 2007.

    YouTube link.

  85. Portia says

    Lynna,

    More terrible horrible awful beliefs justified by the idea that this life is disposable.

  86. Paul W., OM says

    Any geneticists hanging out here?

    I have some questions…

    I’m working out how to model gene expression as the operation of a “production system,” which is just a set of IF-THEN rules, and am not sure how to model cis-regulatory modules (CRM’s) that may control more than one gene, and genes that may be controlled by more than one CRM.

    Here’s the basic idea, based on the oversimplification that each gene has exactly one CRM controlling it.

    Such a gene is exactly a production—an IF-THEN rule—in a production system, which is just a set of such rules, which can interact. A genome is a such a set of rules.

    (Just to be clear, a rule is not an IF-THEN statement like in a von Neumann computer. There’s no serial flow of control, no place for GOTOs to go to, or any of that. I’m not a naive computer weenie who thinks the genome operates like a von Neumann machine, or like a Turing machine. Gene expression operates like a very different kind of computer, which is older and more basic, but every bit as much “a computer.”)

    A one-CRM gene that produces a transcription factor is a rule like this:

    IF A and not(B) and C THEN E and D and F

    The left hand side (preconditions) of the rule are a CRM that is enabled if molecules matching binding sites A and C are docked to it, unless a molecule matching B is docked, because B is a represssor site.

    If those conditions are met, we say that the production rule can “fire,” i.e., the “action” on the right hand side can be taken to “produce” an E, a D, and an F, and put them in the “working memory” of the computer. Physically, that means that the coding part of the gene is used for transcription and translation to produce a molecule of a transcription factor (that folds into a shape) with spots that can match E, D, and F in other CRMs. (The “working memory” of the computer is just the nucleoplasm or cytoplasm that transcription factors diffuse through to reach other genes.)

    But what about the potential many-to-many connections between CRM’s and genes?

    If my wild-ass guess is right, it goes something like this:

    A CRM implements some logical expression with AND, OR, and NOT operators, which can be free-standing and used by any genes that happen to use it.

    (Again, just for clarity, when I say “logical expression” I do not mean that expressions have boolean true-false values at the usual levels of analysis, or the timescales we normally consider for gene operation. Usually what matters is rates of gene expression and concentrations of transcription factors. It is only at the shortest timescale that we see boolean operation, and it’s stochastic—an enabled rule may fire, but may not, depending on whether the right transcription factor molecules are in the right places at that moment, whether the transcription machinery is around and not busy, etc. So at the lowest level, it’s boolean, but above that level, it acts like fuzzy logic.)

    So my guess is that when we take modular CRM’s into account, that changes our rule language in a neato kind of way, roughly like this:

    We can define logical expressions, give them something like a name, and then refer to them by name on the left-hand sides of whatever rules we want. We could write a modular version of the above rule as

    K1 IF (A and not (B) and C)
    IF K1 THEN E and D and F

    The first rule isn’t a production rule—you can’t fire it to produce something that goes in working memory. It’s just giving the name K1 to a (compound) condition.

    Now if we want to produce some other transcription factor under the same combination of circumstances, but only if some other condition is true, too, we can have a third gene/rule like this:

    IF K1 and not(J) THEN Q and R

    Is that about right?

    If so, one specific question I have is what kind of connection is the condition K1?. It doesn’t correspond to a transcription factor or a binding site, right…there’s an entirely different mechanism at work, right?

    And in our rule language, K1 can’t appear on the right-hand side of a rule, can it? That is, the expression of a gene can’t produce a protein that signifies K1, because K1 isn’t a kind of binding site, right?

    Thanks, anybody, for any help with this.

    (P.S. Anybody seen windy, OM around lately? I’m thinking she’d be interested and would likely know the answers to some of my questions.)

  87. Portia says

    Educator of the day, folks:

    Principal Rich Kitchens describes “a ‘Fantasy Slut League’ in which our female students (unbeknownst to most of them) are drafted as part of the league…Male students earn points for documented engagement in sexual activities with female students.”

    “The main thing is that I don’t want to blow this out of proportion; I don’t want to make is something that is some horrible big event that we found out about,” [Superintendent Constance] Hubbard said.

    Link.

  88. says

    Has anyone else here heard of MacAusland’s Woolen Mills? So cool. Still using mill machinery from 1870, and the blankets are shockingly well priced.

    I saved up for one all last winter but by the time I had enough it was too warm for wool blankets, so I just ordered it today after waiting a whole year. And there is a 6-8 week wait on it. But that’s okay. It means I can think happily about how they are spinning and weaving wool to make a blanket just for MEEEEEEEEEE!

    Oh yeah, the yarn looks lovely and well priced too, but I skipped it (this time).

  89. opposablethumbs says

    Portia, I bet you could come up with some text or reading that was so solemn and full of unimpeachable wisdom that a) they wouldn’t even realise it wasn’t religious or from a religious source and b) they would feel stupid querying or looking askance at it. Maybe from a philosopher or non-religious moralist … you know, like something about justice or loyalty or honesty … values they’d look stupid complaining about.

    I can’t think of anything good, but maybe the Horde has some suggestions?

  90. Socio-gen, something something... says

    FossilFishy:

    We also pretty much refused to dumb our language down…

    I did this as well with my three, not because I had any clue about language acquisition or brain development of infants, but because I always feel like an idiot talking differently to babies and small children than I did to adults.

    Portia:

    I’ve just discovered that the weekly Rotary meetings are always begun with a prayer (which was evident) and that the prayer is presented by the member who is assigned that week. Which means…eventually I will have a choice to make.

    Oh dear. Maybe call in sick the day you’re scheduled?

    I almost want to write a really vague statement that would sound like prayer to those who expect one but isn’t. *looks at the pile of work due the next three weeks* Almost.

  91. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    *posted here to keep secrets*

    Am I wrong for believing we have far too few trebuchets?

    We at Pharyngula Saloon and Spanking Parlor, Patricia, Princess of Pullets, Proprietor, have an intercontinental trebuchet, along with a half-dozen local models. On tap for tonight, a load of hops to the Rev. Big Dumb Chimp; some aged grog to Ogvorbis, and a load of chickenshit to Stedman.

  92. John Morales says

    Socio-gen to Portia:

    Oh dear. Maybe call in sick the day you’re scheduled?

    What, and lose that opportunity? ;)

  93. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    Portia:

    Perhaps something from the Book of Hopi? Or maybe a Mixtec sacrificial chant? Perhaps a Shinto paean to the Emperor of Japan? A Greek myth involving a god, a swan and a virgin? Maybe an edda asking Thor’s aid in battle? Mix things up a little bit, right?

  94. Dhorvath, OM says

    I always feel like an idiot talking differently to babies and small children than I did to adults.

    This. Also, when your child’s closest friend’s parent is over and says, “I don’t think our son even knows what cancer or research are, let alone why you would fundraise for it.” This after ours had given a detailed description of why his mom was cutting her hair off.

  95. broboxley OT says

    Hi Portia,
    you could try the prayer on the t-shirt
    http://nobeliefs.com/GAMOW/GAMOW24.htm

    Or Perhaps
    ahem, apologies to the author

    Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
    But we’ll remember, with advantages,
    What feats we do this day. Then shall our names,
    Familiar in our mouths as household words-
    each of us everyone
    Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb’red.
    This shall the good man teach his son;
    From this day to the ending of the world,
    But we in it shall be remembered-
    We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
    For he to-day that works with me
    Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
    This day shall gentle his condition;
    And those now-a-bed
    Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That worked with us today.
    human (mumbled)

  96. says

    So I recently visited the Woodstock Farm Animal Sanctuary (WARNING: violent cuteness at link). We were in the car on the way there when I saw a sign for Rhinebeck something or other. (Apparently, I had no idea where Rhinebeck actually is. We were in it.) I mentioned that some people from here meet up there at around this time and it has something to do with a sheep and wool festival. Just as they looked at me quizzically, as if on cue we passed a billboard for the festival.

  97. leighshryock says

    I see that Ann Coulter is being classy as usual.

    In regards to the recent debate, she had this to say (warning, ableist, nasty remarks):
    I highly approve of Romney’s decision to be kind and gentle to the retard.

    (on her official twitter, which I won’t link here, you can find it easily, though)

    How does one have no shame in being such a nasty, vindictive person?

  98. triskelethecat says

    Just a quick pop-in:

    @Audley: Hooray for flipping DarkFetus! May she remain head down until her birthday and may the arrival be reasonably fast.

    @Jadehawk: those cabbage leaves sound wonderful. My mom made some that were very similar.

    @Cicely: cheese, muchrooms, deep fried, with bacon…yum. I’ll even leave the peas at home if you serve that.

    Rhinebeck was a LOT of fun, those who didn’t or couldn’t come were greatly missed. Each year gets better, and next year is already on my calendar!

  99. Aratina Cage says

    @Paul W.

    (P.S. Anybody seen windy, OM around lately? I’m thinking she’d be interested and would likely know the answers to some of my questions.)

    Yes, I saw her just the other day at the New&Improved Slimepit. Good luck wading through the slime if you go looking that way!

  100. erikthebassist says

    I’ve recently been put in a situation at work where I actually get to walk the walk when it comes to my relatively new found feminism. Not sure why I’m sharing here, other than the fact that very few people I know in meat space give a damn or would understand why it’s kind of big deal to me, so I’m going to throw this out there as kind of a therapy thing. Maybe I’m also looking for some affirmation that my head is in the right place on this.

    First some context; I’m a pretty abrasive, rough around the edges kind of guy. I have a very acerbic wit, and I don’t always think before I speak, although I try to. I know I’ve rubbed some people at the office the wrong way, I always do. I’m a boat rocker if there ever was one.

    It’s a double edged sword, some people like the blatant honesty and others are repulsed by it.

    I also have little patience for a shitty work ethic, so when I see people screwing around while customers wait, I generally call people out, in my abrasive and acerbic manner. Lotta people don’t like that, but for the people who agree with me, which is most of the department, I’m a welcome lightening rod, especially for my boss.

    I work in a small call center, an IT service desk. We have exactly 2 women in our department out of about 20 guys. /context

    About a year ago, a young Asian woman went to my boss with a complaint about me of sexism and misogyny, and also told a coworker that I “hated all women”. Her specific official complaint was that I had singled her out and given her a hard time about her tickets and the way she’s handled some phone calls, and she felt it was because she was a woman and a minority.

    I did counsel her on several occasions, but she was a rookie and I’m a senior tech, that’s my job. I’d like to think I didn’t single her out, and was just as hard on the guys in the dept, but that’s going to be a matter of perception, and I had to consider the possibility that she was right, and I did lean on her more, I don’t think that’s the case, but it could be. I am after all the privileged one in the situation, not just as a white male, but as a senior tech.

    I also warned her that watching Dexter on her company owned PC was not a good idea and could get her fired. I was doing her a favor, as she’s young and inexperienced, and didn’t realize what she was opening herself up to.

    In the meeting between my boss and I, he wanted to dismiss her complaints as irrational and with out cause, and pinned it on her for not being able to take feedback well.

    It was me reminding him that she’s both a minority and woman in a room full of white men, and that her concerns should not be so easily dismissed. I tried to explain privilege to him, but he didn’t quite get it.

    I asked him if I could meet with her and ask her what I could change about my approach that would make her more comfortable. He didn’t think it was a good idea, and the whole thing was swept under the rug.

    Her and I haven’t spoken two words about that situation or anything else since, until today. Due to some recent personnel changes, her and I were due to become 2 members of a 4 person team, tasked with a set of responsibilities.

    I approached her via instant message, and expressed my concern that there was some tension between us and that I had some things I wanted her to know about where I come from.

    She agreed to a meeting with my boss as a third party observer.

    I told her that I’ve spent the last couple of years following this fascinating schism in the atheist / skeptic community (she’s also an atheist btw, but isn’t part of the Movement™.), and how much my perspective on women’s issues had changed over the past 5 or 6 years, and how I now consider myself a feminist.

    I explained that I understood that I was privileged and therefor quite capable of doing or saying sexist things despite my best intentions, and that I wanted her to feel comfortable in calling me out if I did. I told her I would never accuse her of being overly sensitive or try and justify my comments or actions, but would rather take that feedback and try never to do or say that thing again.

    A longer play by play would be tl;dr (too late I know), but bottom line is I think she took it well and that tensions between us should be lessened going forward.

  101. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    erikthebassist, your side of the story is duly noted.

    …what the hell?

  102. erikthebassist says

    your side of the story is duly noted.

    well I can’t exactly give you her side of the story now can I?

  103. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    well I can’t exactly give you her side of the story now can I?

    This may be one of those cases where not feeding the troll is justified. It sounds like you handled the situation well to me.

  104. broboxley OT says

    erikthebassist

    I also have little patience for a shitty work ethic, so when I see people screwing around while customers wait, I generally call people out, in my abrasive and acerbic manner. Lotta people don’t like that, but for the people who agree with me, which is most of the department, I’m a welcome lightening rod, especially for my boss.

    although this is commendable lets change the

    I generally call people out, in my abrasive and acerbic manner.

    to call people out in a professional, personal (make it about them) manner. Ask what you can do to improve their job skills as it relates to customer service. If they continue to shirk fire their ass. Either one does their work regardless of religion, color, race creed or human orientation and you will love them or they can get to steppin’.

    next time (hopefully wont happen)
    Dont use IM for personnel matters. Approach (hat in hand) so to speak and state that the group dynamics are going to change and you want to reassure the person that despite previous misunderstandings you really want to be fair, ask them to tell you immediately if you transgress and want their help to make the organization the best it can be.

    This works as long as the person you are trying to deal with is not a poisonous fuck who will do anything to fuck you over. You will run into those.

    I make a habit to have personal work relationships with cafeteria workers, security folks and janitorial staff of both sexes. They are usually neat people and do real work unlike us IT folks and bring real value to the organization. When a IT politikal shizzit breaks, being able to refer to folks like that as a reference on your working relationships can save a job sometime.

    Never date a co-worker in my case I treat all women as respected younger sisters, even if they hit on me(I wish, I’m older than dirt) but make that respect plain

    Last piece of advice, dont burn bridges

  105. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Erik, I hear you about possible miscommunication. The Redhead and I have been having a continuous “discussion” about my assisting her walking in the house. She kept using the phrase “it’s my schedule”. I kept saying “she needed to get herself ready and tell me”. Last weekend we finally got it figured out. The Redhead thought I was a Daytimer™ type (like she is), with every hour scheduled with something to do. A shock (shouldn’t be after almost forty years) to find out I’m a todo list guy. One item on the todo list every day was to ASSIST (not lead) the Redhead when she wanted to walk, with her arranging the time. Same for anything else she wanted help with. So the Redhead was mad with me since she thought I was ignoring her need to walk by not telling her she was penciled in from (example) 6-7 pm, and I mad with her since she never told me to assist her while I was waiting for her to be ready. At least that is cleared up, with her telling me to assist her now.

  106. erikthebassist says

    you may be right askyroth, I think I’ll grab ma bass and throw on ma headphones and let this one fester for a while.

  107. Nutmeg says

    Guess what? I just came out to my parents! :D

    It went really well, apart from me crying a lot more than I had planned. They were supportive in every way. Mostly, they were relieved that I am capable of liking someone.

    Anyway, I survived the hugging and Expression of Feelings™, and I will probably sleep like the dead tonight.

    *collapses in an exhausted/relieved heap*

  108. Dhorvath, OM says

    Bro,
    I would disagree about messaging. A text record of important communications is a good practice, face to face depends far too much on memory.

  109. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    Azkyroth, dunno about the situation, but you‘ve been handled pretty damn well.

    If you actually read what he posted and have some evidence of bad faith, feel free to share.

  110. erikthebassist says

    broboxley, very good feedback thank you. The tension was so profound however I didn’t really have the guts to do it hat in hand and in person. Next time I will try and muster them.

  111. erikthebassist says

    holy hell nutmeg grats and it’s awesome it went well! That has to be a huge huge moment. I can’t even imagine.

  112. broboxley OT says

    153 Dhorvath, OM exactly the point, no IM admission of a possible issue didnt happen. All is well in HR land.

  113. erikthebassist says

    ok, I went off on JM once not too far back, and it was ill advised. I shouldn’t have done it, and was promptly put in my place.

    I’m sorry JM. Sincerely.

    Can we move on?

  114. broboxley OT says

    Dhorvath, OM okay I am making that statement based on usain workplace mores YMMV in other climes

  115. broboxley OT says

    #161 erikthebassist JM wasnt aiming at you personally but at the described situation. Picture a bar where there is someone telling a story to a bunch of hangers on. A mensch at the end, takes a swallow and states “bullshit”
    Its not personal, its a shot on the described story that is orthogonical to the point of the story. That reparte is hugely amusing to the person stating bullshit and “may” be amusing to the audience. I am guilty of such behavior at times except obscurantism usually gets in the way.

  116. onychophora says

    I need to let off some steam. I’m fuming. Backstory: Lucky me I found a job after graduation at a private institution–unlucky me it’s a religious institution (not Catholic however). I just revisited my drug “benefit” plan, and la-de-da I’ve paid $800 in birth control this year, and the insurance company has paid $9. Seethe. Religious freedom for companies, not individuals. Seethe. This is an economic issue (preach it Obama).

  117. John Morales says

    boxley, not quite: I didn’t claim “bullshit”, did I?

    (Factual statements are statements of fact; “bullshit” would be a statement of opinion)

  118. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    This is an economic issue (preach it Obama).

    Yes, 2014 is the big change based on Obamacare, with all contraception being paid for. Vote for Obama.

  119. John Morales says

    erikthebassist:

    so “Erikthebassist is full of shit” is a factual statement is it JM?

    How would I know?* :)

    (Who made that claim, where was it made, who made it, and what does that have to do with what I’ve written about your anecdote?)

    * I presume that you do have a digestive tract, but I infer that is not the sense to which you refer.

  120. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    #161 erikthebassist JM wasnt aiming at you personally but at the described situation. Picture a bar where there is someone telling a story to a bunch of hangers on. A mensch at the end, takes a swallow and states “bullshit”
    Its not personal, its a shot on the described story that is orthogonical to the point of the story. That reparte is hugely amusing to the person stating bullshit and “may” be amusing to the audience. I am guilty of such behavior at times except obscurantism usually gets in the way.

    At the uttermost end of charity, that’s a tone-deaf reaction in context.

  121. says

    dear Pharyngula,

    does the offer to help me apply to Brown still stand? Because if so, I’d like to point out that the deadline for that is December 15th, and I have no flaming clue what I’m doing.

    :-p

  122. Portia says

    Nutmeg

    Guess what? I just came out to my parents! :D

    Congratulations!!!! So happy it went better than you expected.

    opposablethumbs

    I bet you could come up with some text or reading that was so solemn and full of unimpeachable wisdom that a) they wouldn’t even realise it wasn’t religious or from a religious source and b) they would feel stupid querying or looking askance at it. Maybe from a philosopher or non-religious moralist … you know, like something about justice or loyalty or honesty … values they’d look stupid complaining about.

    You’ve said exactly what I had not been able to put together. That sounds perfect : ) They are rather proud of their values, which are exemplified in the “Four Part Test.” Or is it four way…

    1. Is it fair to all concerned?
    2. And three more I can never remember, even though they are recited in unison weekly.

    Socio-gen

    I appreciate the thought : ) Good luck with all that work. Calling in sick isn’t actually a terrible idea if I lose my nerve! Pretty sure they wouldn’t be short on religious drivel to fill the time.

    John Morales

    What, and lose that opportunity? ;)

    This is exactly the kind of diabolical thinking I encourage.

    Ogvorbis

    Perhaps something from the Book of Hopi? Or maybe a Mixtec sacrificial chant? Perhaps a Shinto paean to the Emperor of Japan? A Greek myth involving a god, a swan and a virgin? Maybe an edda asking Thor’s aid in battle? Mix things up a little bit, right?

    “But you didn’t say who we were supposed to be praying to. I’m so sorry, I was confused by the lack of specificity in the direction.”

    broboxley

    I like that t-shirt. And I’m almost certain at this point that, whatever I do (aside from beg off sick), I will have to include some mumbling.

    Jadehawk
    I’m not sure I’m of any use relative to the others here, but I do wish you luck.

  123. Portia says

    Re: Ann Coulter. The only conceivable thing I can think is that she has to get more and more outrageous. I suppose that’s true of the lot of them,* though. I just wish it wasn’t so hard to watch. Disgusting vile excuses for human beings.

    *Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Donohue, Rush Limbaugh, et al.

  124. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Trigger warning. Skip this if you do not want to trigger or get violently angry.

    Did you know that god uses rape to create life?

    Just ask Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock.

    I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that’s something God intended to happen.

    Fuck you, women! God uses rape to create life because not enough life is being made by normal heterosexual means. Sometimes, God has to get violent. Just deal with it! Your safety means shit when God wants something done!

    I hatred for the likes of Richard Mourdock, Todd Akins, Rick Santorum and others have no bounds. I cannot even begin to respect their religious faith that is the bedrock of their inhuman actions.

  125. Socio-gen, something something... says

    Nutmeg:
    That’s wonderful! *hugs* *confetti*

    Jadehawk:
    I can’t offer any help, but I wish you the best of luck!

    Portia:
    Thanks. It wouldn’t be so bad, except that I’ve taken on too many extra-curricular activities that all ended up scheduled for the same week — two committees (one of which I chair!) and the women’s studies conference.

    I actually know the Four-Way Test:

    Is it the truth?
    Is it fair to all concerned?
    Will it build goodwill and better friendships?
    Will it be beneficial to all?

    My mom is in the Rotary, and quotes this at me all the time as explanation for why I should STFU about stuff she doesn’t like.

  126. Portia says

    Socio-gen, whew, hope you get some R&R at some point!

    I’m not sure what it is about that four part list, but it gives me the heeby jeebies. There’s nothing objectively wrong with the principles, but it does seem…almost coercive. Like, sometimes, fuck goodwill, I gotta do what’s right for me. *shrug*

  127. Socio-gen, something something... says

    Portia:

    I will…after December 14th when winter break starts. The committee I chair is the real problem. Our coordinator calls it the “troubled child” committee and I now understand why. I’d rather be a committee of one at this point, because it seems like I’m the only one actually interested in doing the work. Oh, they agree to various tasks as I delegate them, but then they never actually do any of them, which leaves me scrambling to get everything done so we don’t look like fools.

    I have to agree with the coercive aspect. It’s a longer version of “If you can’t say something nice, say nothing at all” and it’s meant to silence dissent. At least, that’s the way my mother uses it.

  128. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    …just realized today is the 3-year anniversary of my Date of Separation.

    This calls for celebratory truth-telling, drinking in moderation, and taking care of responsibilities.

    Happy prologue to getting some tiny part of my life back to me. >.>

  129. mildlymagnificent says

    Portia

    If you want a non-prayer morally uplifting reading, you should be able to find some (often not very good) poems with the
    T is for ….
    R is for … format with the first letter of each line spelling out the Truth, Friend(ship), Fair or some other relevant word from the 4 way test.

    (And I wouldn’t mind betting that you’d best have a few of them printed off ready to hand out to those who ask for it. That sort of thing goes down really well in some groups with stated lofty ideals.)

  130. Portia says

    Socio-gen:
    Oh boy, that’s the worst kind of committee. I’ve ended up doing the work of a whole committee in the same fashion. Work that would be much less burdensome if you didn’t have to do it all at once and right before the deadline. Yikes. Try not to get overwhelmed.

    I just had a thought wrt the FPT though…that first prong could be a great weapon against the whole prayer business }:-)>

  131. Portia says

    mildlymagnificent;
    that’s not a bad idea. thanks for the input :)

     
    ====
    and now I’ll finally hit the hay. So much for an early bike ride tomorrow.

  132. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    WTF?
    Didn’t we just have a drawn out battle over womens’ right in effin’ hypotheticals a few months ago?

    ****

    cicely @116

    Tony, I will be delighted to save you from the Mushrooms!

    Only the normal, NON mind altering ones.
    If I’m gonna eat some nasty shrooms, they’d better be taking me a long trip.

    ****

    SC @137:
    Thanks for the pics of the animals!

    ****

    Me:
    I cannot believe how the Right is attacking Katherine Fenton after her question to the candidates last night. She’s going to be the next Sandra Fluke.
    I just watched AC 360, and heard how Michele Malkin said something stupid about her on Twitter.
    ____

    I got into a brief religion conversation at work tonight.
    Two of the cooks in the kitchen were having a discussion about religion, which I overheard, but wasn’t going to intrude upon (though it was hard to bite my tongue). Of course one of them asked my opinion, and even after warning him that he likely wouldn’t *like* my opinion-twice-he insisted on my telling him. At which point I told him I was an atheist, then added that I was an anti-theist. I actually got to tell someone in MEATSPACE that I’ve seen insufficient evidence to believe in the existence of gods. I got to channel Greta Christina by mentioning that scientific explanations have consistency replaced supernatural ones throughout human history. I mentioned that the inconsistencies of various religious texts, as well as how similar they are to one another, as well as past religions was a factor.
    He told me then that he was an ordained priest.
    My jaw dropped.
    He never made any indication he was joking, so I took him at his word. He mentioned that he likes getting the perspectives of people with different beliefs. It was literally as we were closing down, so I couldn’t continue the conversation. He didn’t appear bothered by what I had said.
    But WOW.
    I’ve never done anything like that before!
    I’m actually more excited NOW than shortly after!!
    Thanks to all the FtBloggers and commenters here.

  133. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Nutmeg:
    I am so happy for you!

    I was reading The Lounge on my way home and very nearly screamed “AWESOME!” when I came across your post about coming out to your parents.
    And you’re making me cry. It is fantastic that you were able to come out to your parents and they welcomed you with open, loving arms.

    These tears are tears of joy.
    For you.
    I’m sending them over USB now.

  134. erikthebassist says

    Tony, seems as though we’re both expressing our inner FTB rage at the outer meat space world we’re forced to live in. Good for you for speaking up.

  135. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Aratina Cage @141:
    Never having been to the Slymepit (the types of people that inhabit there are enough to scare me away), were you joking about it being “new & improved” or has something actually changed? They’re taking empathy classes?

    ****
    erikthebassist @142:
    To be honest, I was really getting into your tale, so it wasn’t TL;DR. I actually wouldn’t mind hearing more.
    Correcting your boss was a necessary thing and it sounds like you handled it well.
    Having him there as a third party observer seems like a great way to stress to your coworker how much you really believe in what you say. Granted, your actions will likely be where she makes a final determination, but this is likely a strong step in that direction.

  136. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Nerd @148:
    I’m glad you and the Redhead were able to get that cleared up before either of you got too angry.

    ****

    onychophra:
    You have my sympathies.
    And ::hugs::
    I agree that it’s an economic issue and it’s fucked up that your insurance company isn’t paying the full amount of your contraception.

    ****

    Janine @146:
    I read a headline about that shortly before I came to The Lounge tonight. I meant to come back to the full story, just to see how much more awful it will be.

    (I could have read it in a separate tab while posting here, but this space is social for me, and I like being able to socialize without seething anger on my part)

    ****
    erikthebassist @187:

    Right back at you my friend. Good job indeed.

  137. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Caine:

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

    I literally just squealed!

  138. says

    Chigau & Tony:

    ohmyohmyohmy

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

    Exciting, ennit? They left for the hospital at 9 pm, I expect it will be a good while yet. DF is right on schedule, though!

  139. erikthebassist says

    Tony, thanks, maybe I can expound some when I’m a little more coherent. ATM I’m beat and heading to bed. =^)

  140. chigau (棒や石) says

    So. I’m not going to bed just yet.
    Although I should.
    ———-
    DF
    Get on with it!

  141. opposablethumbs says

    Clenched tentacles, champagne and confetti to Nutmeg! Go you, and go your parents! That is such great news :-D

    Caine, thank you for the Audley update. Here’s to Audley and here’s wishing a happy, smooooothly done birthday to DarkFetus!!!

  142. opposablethumbs says

    Audley is headed back home

    Oh bother, I didn’t refresh before posting. Well here’s hoping she’s comfortable and manages to get some rest before it kicks off any furthers.

  143. says

    proof that graduate students are masochists:
    the prerequisite for being admitted is to shell out $175 to be forced to take a 4 1/2 hrs long test without access to snacks or coffee. Which I’m pretty sure qualifies as torture.

  144. says

    Good morning
    So, I survived 3 days of cooking and baking and two days of celebrations and I even didn’t kill my husband. Pictures of amazing food will follow.

    +++

    Giliell – How could labour be too fast?

    As in too fast to get an epidural.
    I had less than 2 hours for the two of them combined. In the labour ward I mean. But I didn’t go there “late”
    And no, the doc did’t make it in time for the little one (but Germany has a midwife-based system and I’m talking about actual midwives, not Ina Mae Gaskin)
    JAL
    Yeah, don’t push
    Midwife tried to tell me “don’t push that hard you’Re tearing” with #1, too. It’s about as possible as it is for a rock not to fall down.

    +++
    Talking to children
    Oh yeah, I hate the “baby talk” nonsense, too. How’s the kid supposed to learn actual language when the adults use a fake one?
    I’m a language teacher. As a teacher you’re supposed to corret your students by using the correct form, say, if my student says “I sink about the holidays” I say “So, you think about the holidays, so, why go for “fant” instead of “elephant” with the babe?
    I read #1 Harry Potter when she was a newborn :)

    Fossil Fishy
    Dad’s aren’T criticised. Dad’s who do anything are praised. But yeah, you’re doing it wrong anyway because fathers can’t do it. Mothers, on the other hand, are fair game for everybody.
    It’s like, you know, when children try to do something they’re actually a bit too small to do. They get prsie bit are expected to fail.

    Oh, something that works miracles: picking a “go to sleep” song. It still works. When the little one is totally upset at night and really can’t calm down I still sing her “Scarborough Fair” and
    she stops crying.

    +++

    My parents still insist that we all hold hands around the dinner table so they can say grace during Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner

    We say: Piep, piep, piep, guten Appetit, wir haben uns alle lieb
    (cheep, cheep, cheep, enjoy your meal, we love each other)

    onychphora

    I just revisited my drug “benefit” plan, and la-de-da I’ve paid $800 in birth control this year, and the insurance company has paid $9.

    Wait, what?
    I think I could get my tubes tied for that money, 5 years worth of the pill, 2 IUDs or about 1000 condoms…

    nutmeg
    Yay!

  145. chigau (棒や石) says

    Fine then.
    I just face-planted on my kitchen table.
    Bed!
    DF and Audley
    *hugs*

  146. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Giliell:

    We say: Piep, piep, piep, guten Appetit, wir haben uns alle lieb
    (cheep, cheep, cheep, enjoy your meal, we love each other)

    I like it!

  147. McC2lhu doesn't want to know what you did there. says

    Bonne chance, Audley and Tiny Hordester! May the force be with you. And by that, I mean the force of the combined wills of all the good people on this blog wishing you a safe, happy, healthy and low-low-low-low pain chart number delivery.

    In the labyrinthine charts of the nomenclature of human relationships, does this make me a blog uncle?

  148. McC2lhu doesn't want to know what you did there. says

    Oh. Looked it up. Blog uncle, six times removed from Kevin Bacon.

  149. mildlymagnificent says

    Baby talk. A lot of people think it’s about the words you use, but it isn’t. It’s about tone.

    People all over the world, regardless of culture or language, use slightly/much higher pitch when talking *to* babies regardless of the words used. For the rest of the time, most people use a soft steady near-monotone when keeping a little one calm during dressing, changing and similar routine activities. Switching to lullabies when baby doesn’t go to sleep easily.

    Personally I’m strongly against anything very noisy with babies. I watched with loathing the other day at a cafe. A perfectly competent baby was in her pusher while mum went to order. Mum’s so-called friend spent the whole time mum was away pushing a toy in the kid’s face and frantically squeezing a very loud squeaky toy. I sat on my hands and kept my mouth firmly shut.

  150. McC2lhu doesn't want to know what you did there. says

    Re: Talking to your wee ones

    I have a sentimental spot for making nice childhood memories, so did tend to talk a bit mushy with my little girl. I wouldn’t dumb down what I said, but the singy-songy (not to be confused with wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey) voice was there for a great deal of her first couple of years.

    It didn’t seem to affect her negatively in any way. She’s three and a half and asked my wife to define symbiosis today.

    TIME! What have you done with my little toddler???

  151. carlie says

    Me, reading this thread since last night:

    SQUEEEEEEEE!!!!!…aaaawwwwww.

    Good luck Audley! :)

    erik – it sounds like you did the best possible. She may think it was awkward, she may think you’re odd, but at the very least she knows that you’re interested in having a good working relationship. Just be careful in the future not to treat her as a Teacher of All Things Woman and Minority, or a Very Special Case, and all should be fine.

    Jadehawk – what do you need from us? I can do proofreading of essays, I’m sure there are people here who deal with graduate applications on a regular basis who would have input.

  152. says

    Re: baby talk again
    Well, of course I “tone down” language a bit, especially once the child is supposed to react to what is being said. And depending on the child you might want to be very careful how to phrase something so they will not go for ther literal meaning instead of the actual meaning. And a soft voice, sure. But we didn’t go “dada”, we went for a walk. She doesn’t have a “Nunu” she has a pacifier (indeed, the look on the face of a small toddler when some adult talks about their “nunu” is priceless. It goes from puzzled “what are you talking about” to “you mean my pacifier?” to “are you stupid or what?”)
    Language is a system that works by common agreement on the meaning of a word. If people make shit up as they go along with children that’s confusing because suddenly the sign that meant “taking a nap” doesn’t mean it anymore.

    +++
    And since the DF is threatening to make her appearance, how do you other godless folks hold it with godparents? I admit the term is a lot less religious in German (Pate/Patin), but I also always thought that it’s basically a secular tradition anyway. The godparents were meant to take care of a kid should you meet your untimely end or to give them a leg up in life (actually, many stories about godparents start with decidedly not christian godparents such as Death himself or a fairy), so for me it was a way to tell some people that they may not be related by blood, but they have a special place in the life of my children because I consider them to be important.
    Do your kids have godparents?

  153. Ichthyic says

    proof that graduate students are masochists:
    the prerequisite for being admitted is to shell out $175 to be forced to take a 4 1/2 hrs long test without access to snacks or coffee. Which I’m pretty sure qualifies as torture.

    I assume you mean the GRE?

    in which case I can only nod.

    …and add that it just gets harder :)

    wait till after your orals exam before you decide what is considered “masochistic” about grad school.

  154. ImaginesABeach says

    Jadehawk – I can offer financial assistance with the fees, and reviewing of essays, but I would be pretty useless for anything more practical, as it has been a REALLY long time since I had to do any school applications.

  155. Ichthyic says

    …I recall actually taking a Yoga class that focused on stress management and relaxation techniques a couple of weeks before I took my GRE.

    it actually did help a bit.

    I would also add that the GREs, while important, are really meant as a guide to the place you intend to go for grad school as to what your weaknesses are.

    so, don’t worry about doing badly in specific areas that you don’t know a lot about. They’ll simply look to give you some remedial coursework to fill in the gaps. Better to make sure you do REALLY well with the stuff you are most familiar with.

    my biggest weakness was developmental biology, which was actually a good thing, since the texts and classes were really just getting interesting in the subject when I got to grad school anyway, so some remedial coursework in the subject was actually a lot of fun, and useful to boot.

  156. carlie says

    And if you’re taking both GREs, try not to have them both on the same day. I’m one of those weirdos who does well on standardized tests and feels like I’m right at home in my element while taking them, and I had a really rough time getting through that last hour or so doing them both in a row.

  157. ImaginesABeach says

    As far as I know, in the US, “godparent” is something that a child gets when baptized or dedicated in a church ceremony. We did this to my kids for the benefit of my in-laws so my kids have “godparents”, but the godparents are also aunts and uncles and I’m not sure the kids know they have godparents.

    Believe it or not, I am a godmother to my nephew, who was baptized in a Catholic church. I have no idea how my sister-in-law convinced the priest that this was ok (the whole service was in Spanish, because it was a Mexican-American church).

  158. Ichthyic says

    *sigh*

    I waited as a long as I could… It’s 12:30am here and I need to sleep.

    I’m gonna miss the Audley +1, I know it.

  159. Ichthyic says

    I had a really rough time getting through that last hour or so doing them both in a row.

    Yeah, I did the same thing, and also regretted it afterwards.

    …not enough to even remotely think about retaking either of them though :P

  160. Aratina Cage says

    @Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    Aratina Cage @141:
    Never having been to the Slymepit (the types of people that inhabit there are enough to scare me away), were you joking about it being “new & improved” or has something actually changed? They’re taking empathy classes?

    Yes about me just joking. They (one or more of the slimepitters) host it as a forum now separate from its original space as a thread on ERV, and they spell “slime” with a “y” as you noted. There continues to be a demonstrable lack of empathy there as we saw this past week, and several apparently new pitters (could be sockpuppets) are lacking even more empathy than the original bunch.

  161. Louis says

    Ooooh Audley is about to produce The DarkFoetus? Excellent.

    Then I can test my thesis that heathen babies taste worse than theist babies.

    What?

    WHAT?

    Baby eating atheist, remember?

    Whaddya mean that was an exaggeration purely for the purposes of satirically mocking the overblown assertions of certain religious loons that atheists are mean?

    Oh crap. I have some explaining to do.

    Louis

    P.S. Best wishes to the Darkheart family, especially Mother and Baby.

  162. carlie says

    …not enough to even remotely think about retaking either of them though :P

    hahahahahah…no. :) Although I think I put them off long enough that I didn’t have a choice about that to make the application deadlines.

  163. says

    Imagines a beach
    Oh, I’m a godmother to a little catholic boy, too, although I wasn’t in the church because I was away that weekend and only came back in the afternoon. But for all that matters it was an agreement between his mum and me, just like my kids’ godparents are just folks whom we asked (some being relatives, some being friends)
    I have a savings account for my godson (he’s the youngest of three boys so he doesn’t actually need a lot of things). I’m sure when he turns 18 I’ll be his most favourite godmother ever :)

  164. birgerjohansson says

    Long live DarkInfant! Remember to keep the placenta for ethical long pig dinner.

    “Researchers find that diabetes drug (Exendin-4) could be effective in treating addiction” http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-10-diabetes-drug-effective-addiction.html

    “Grandmas made humans live longer” http://phys.org/news/2012-10-grandmas-humans-longer.html Naah, if grandmas are part of the 47%, they are just moochers!
    “Proto-Elamite Codebreakers Try Crowdsourcing To Help Decipher Mystery Language” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/proto-elamite-codebreakers_n_2000713.html
    “Researchers double down on heat to break up cellulose, produce fuels and power” http://phys.org/news/2012-10-cellulose-fuels-power.html

  165. Nutmeg says

    Thanks to everyone for the congratulations!

    Tony, ♥.

    Azkyroth, congrats on your separation anniversary. I hope you celebrate in whatever way you enjoy.

    Caine:

    Audley is at the hospital, will let you all know when Darkfetus hits the planet.

    *happy dance*

    A long while – Audley is headed back home, labor progressing too slowly.

    *sad face*

  166. Tigger_the_Wing says

    Conga rats to Nutmeg! Wonderful to have such a great reception! =^_^=

    Ohoh, so the little Darkling is going to try as many ways as possible to keep her mother guessing the when and how of delivery, is she? If she’s like that now, just wait until she’s a teenager…

  167. says

    As promised, food pictures:
    Pumpkin cupcake
    Adapted from The Brown Eyed Baker. I don’t like buttercream or cream cheese frostings so I usually make them with some instand custard stuff and cream. Amd pumpkin in this case.

    The perfect brownie.
    Also from the Brown Eyed Baker. I’m still totally amazed because they are perfect (or at least my idea of browny perfection).

    The birthday cake
    Yes, that’s olives.

    The inside
    The litlle one isn’d much a fan of sweet cakes and pies, so I made her a savoury one with lots of cream cheese, ham, cheese, tuna…
    Recipe by me.

  168. onychophora says

    @202
    Nuvaring is $82/mo without insurance (my insurance doesn’t cover b.c. because of the religious exception thing). It is a painful expenditure, but other hormonal brands have worse side effects for me.

  169. says

    onychophora
    I just took a look at it (never used it) Price for 3 months (!) around 45 € (like 60ish $)
    I think that contraception is horribly overpriced in the States (hello people telling all those sluts not to get pregnant so they don’t need an icky abortion…)

  170. Socio-gen, something something... says

    Portia:
    It’s so frustrating, and because it is, I feel like I’m consulting with my steering committee mentor way too often (she’s wonderful about holding my hand and offering suggestions). Half the problem is I ended up as chair solely because I was the only person left on the committee after last year’s debacles and the previous two years before I joined were just as bad. In the last three years, not one single alumnae event has been held….

    Since I actually cared about making it work, I get the fun job of both building a working committee and planning/holding alumnae events. My mistake was in thinking the first was possible and the second would be easier with several people.

    Tony:

    I’ve never done anything like that before!
    I’m actually more excited NOW than shortly after!!

    That’s great!

    Many good wishes to Audley and DarkFetus!

    Jadehawk:
    Ohhhh…. I am so looking forward to doing this next year, not.

    Giliell:

    When the little one is totally upset at night and really can’t calm down I still sing her “Scarborough Fair” and she stops crying.

    When my sister and I shared a house after my niece was born, she used to sing “One Tin Soldier” (because it was the only song she knew all the lyrics to) and my kids used to beg her to sing it to them as well. After two years, it was the only song that worked to send them into slumberland. Once we were in our own places, my kids tolerated my singing it, but they prefered Auntie B’s version, which she always sang when they spent the night.

    I knew it was special to them, but I didn’t realize how much until this past March when my sister and I were talking about my 25yo son who was recovering from pneumonia. She mentioned he’d called her the night before because he couldn’t sleep and asked if she’d sing it to him.

    It’s funny sometimes, the things that you think aren’t that important that end up meaning the most to them when they’re older.

    mildlymagnificent:

    A lot of people think it’s about the words you use, but it isn’t. It’s about tone.

    So true. You can say anything as long as you do it in that higher-pitched sing-song voice. They’ll usually smile with that “I have no idea what you’re saying but it sounds great to me” expression.

    McC2lhu:
    I did use the sing-song frequently, just with real words. Um, actually, thinking about it, I used the sing-song to say “awful” things to them when they were babies. Like “I cannot believe I haven’t had a shower for three days. Seriously, could you please just take a nap for longer than ten minutes and give me a break already? And for the love of Mike, could you stop with the constant shitting because it’s getting on my nerves.”

    Gilliell

    If people make shit up as they go along with children that’s confusing because suddenly the sign that meant “taking a nap” doesn’t mean it anymore.

    Not only that, but the signs may not mean anything to people outside their home, which can be really problematic. My mom used to tell a story about a little girl she babysat after school who, on their first day towards their last hour together, kept saying “I need to tell you a secret.” My mom was 15 and playing along, asked, “Okay, what’s the secret?” The 4yo would give her a confused look and repeat herself. Finally, the little one ended up wetting herself and yelled at my mom through her tears, “I TOLD YOU I NEEDED TO TELL YOU A SECRET!”

    What kind of people have a code-phrase for needing to use the bathroom?
    +++

    I’m a former Presbyterian, and they don’t have godparents in any form so I never thought about them. After I left the church, my atheist brother was the designated guardian if I met my untimely end before the eldest turned 18, and then co-guardian for the younger two after that. He’s always been a close and special member of our family as well as being actually related, so we didn’t have a special name for his role. Though the kids sometimes called him the “Loco Parent” after one of them found out “in loco parentis” meant “in the place of a parent.” :)
    +++

    Mmmm… that all looks delish!
    +++

    My Implanon was $550. That covers the insertion and removal though, and it’s good for three years. If I’d known, I’d have waited until I got to MN to get it, because my school insurance would have covered the most of the cost.

  171. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    WARNING: SELF-CENTERED COMMENT

    I got almost no sleep last night. Fucking nightmares came on heavy. Both scoutmares and 9/11 idiocy (though not combined which is, I suppose, a plus).

    Last night’s dreams were about the scouts he raped after I was too scared to say anything. I know that it ain’t my fault. I know that I have no reason to feel guilt. I know that, at the age I was, the chances of anyone believing me were minimal. I know the bastard manipulated me (this only happens to girls, he was teaching me to be a man, if I tell everyone will know I am a girl). I know that he was a large adult and I was a skinny little boy. But I still feel like it is my fault if he abused again. And I still feel guilty that I cannot remember that little girl’s name!

    END SELF PITY

    I know you are probably not reading this, but bravo, Audley! The arrival of Darkfetus is wonderful and exciting.

  172. Portia says

    Morning!

    Caine:
    Thanks for the Audley updates. I have everything crossed for her and soon-to-be-DarkInfant.

    Socio-gen:
    That’s so cringingly familiar to me. I wish I had an worthwhile experience in making people be helpful when they don’t want to. I mostly have experience in picking up the slack. What sort of alumnae event do you have to put on? I’ve done some of those.

    You mentioned a women’s issues week? Or something similar? That sounds interesting, at least.

  173. says

    Og:

    Honestly, if that’s not nightmare fuel, I don’t know what would be.

    Things not said, that you wish you did, that stain of self-recrimination for cowardice, that stuff is always damned heavy. And hard to remind yourself, I was a kid, I was scared.

    I’d be surprised if there aren’t a lot of people know just how unpleasant that can be to consider, and you need to get a loooong way from that to retain equilibrium.

    Me, I try to remember this stuff as a spur to be a fucking mouthy bastard about it, the next time, if I can at all manage it. Use former cowardice to drive you to some version of courage, y’know. Even if it’s just being afraid of ever feeling like that again in the future that gets it done.

    Giliell, your cupcakes look divine. Solid phood photography, that, too.

  174. says

    Follow up to Janine’s post at 176, where the topic was God’s choice of rape as another means of impregnation.

    Explaining why he believes the government should force women impregnated by rapists to take their pregnancy to term, Mourdock argued, “[E]ven when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen”

    My addition to this news that Janine expertly lamblasted is that Mitt Romney supports Indiana Republican Richard Mourdock. Romney even made a campaign ad for him. The ad first appeared on Monday.

    After Mourdock was stupid in public, on tape, a Romney spokesperson said that Romney “disagrees” with Mourdock’s comments, but, of course, Romney’s support for the candidate was NOT withdrawn.

    Buzz Feed link.
    Maddow link.

  175. Portia says

    Ogvorbis:

    I’m so sorry you were plagued with nightmares last night. I know you’ve been told a million times you are not responsible for the behavior of that cretin, but I’ll say it again just for good measure. I so hope that this turmoil will pass for you, and that you’ll be able to find some peace. I’m glad you can get it off your chest here.

    *usb tea*

  176. Richard Austin says

    I always looked at “godparent” as being the religious framing for agreeing to stand “in loco parentis” if needed. In the Catholic context, a “godparent” is actually intended to ensure the child is raised properly in the faith, but that’s not how it appears to generally work out – it seems to be far more practical than religious. Like, my godparents were responsible for babysitting me a decent bit when I was growing up (when my grandmother wasn’t available).

    In that context, I would probably be willing to be a “godparent” to a child, though the thought of me being a responsible parental figure is kind of frightening. I have enough trouble taking care of me.

  177. Portia says

    Giliell:

    Those cupcakes do indeed look delicious, along with all the rest. Did you make modifications besides the frosting? I’m thinking I’ll have to make those.

    Cute innovation for your sans sweet-tooth offspring : )

  178. Matt Penfold says

    Quoting Lynna quoting Richard Mourdock:

    [E]ven when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen

    So how does he know that if a women in such situation has an abortion that is not also part of what God intended to happen ?

  179. Portia says

    I have enough trouble taking care of me.

    That’s what I say when people ask if I have a pet. “I can’t even remember to feed myself regularly.”

  180. Portia says

    So how does he know that if a women in such situation has an abortion that is not also part of what God intended to happen ?

    Well, that’s called a miscarriage. Don’t have to involve a nasty abortionist for an abortion where Gawd’s involved. On the other hand, if Gawd wants a pregnancy to happen, and the woman doesn’t, well, then…

     
    I feel gross having even typed that.

  181. says

    Cross-posted from the “Somebody give that man a geography lesson” thread:

    Journalist Steve Benen’s roundup of some of the recent offensive nonsense from Republicans regarding the issue of women’s reproductive rights:

    In August, Todd Akin (R-Mo.) said women have special powers to “shut down” pregnancies caused by a “legitimate rape.” Soon after, Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who cosponsored a bill with Akin to redefine rape, said he believes “the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life.” The same week, Steve King (R-Iowa) said he “hasn’t heard of” women getting impregnated by a rapist, while Senate candidate Tom Smith (R-Pa.) said rape pregnancies are “similar” to out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

    In September, Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) compared the Middle East violence in response to an anti-Islam video to a judge telling a rape victim, “You asked for it because of the way you dressed.” Around the same time, Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.) told constituents, “There are very few pregnancies as a result of rape.”

    In October, we learned that Roger Rivard (R-Wis.) thinks “some girls rape easy.” Soon after, Rick Berg (R-N.D.) said rape victims shouldn’t be allowed to terminate pregnancies, but refused to explain what kind of penalties he’d impose on women who got abortions anyway. …

    Now, ask yourself why a person of integrity, say, perhaps, a candidate for president of the USA, would fail to speak out against that kind of idiocy. Why would that candidate instead champion Richard Mourdock, for example, and campaign for him. Romney’s actions, and inactions, speak volumes. We often can’t tell what Romney believes, but I think there’s proof enough when it comes to women’s rights.

  182. says

    Hey, everybody. Just wanted to give you all an update.

    First off: I am fine and DarkFetus is fine. But, sadly, she’s not yet DarkInfant– I am having regular pains in the abdominal/lower back areas, but I have barely dilated in hours, so I’m back home waiting for anything to change.

    I will be meeting with one of my docs this afternoon, so hopefully I’ll have more info then. In the meantime, thanks for the well wishes everyone. I ♥ you all.

  183. blf says

    so the little Darkling is going to try as many ways as possible to keep her mother guessing the when and how of delivery, is she? If she’s like that now, just wait until she’s a teenager

    A 16 year pregnancy?

  184. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    Audley:

    Glad you are safe. Glad DarFetus is fine. Too bad DarkFetus is making you wait. Boy took a while and he is still running late for everything.

  185. says

    I am fine and DarkFetus is fine. But, sadly, she’s not yet DarkInfant– I am having regular pains in the abdominal/lower back areas, but I have barely dilated in hours, so I’m back home waiting for anything to change.

    Sigh. That just doesn’t sound fair. You are really climbing the mountain with this one. Hang in there, Audley.

    Oh, and DarkFetus, stop hanging in there, as in, stop hanging around in your lovely uterus home. Come on out and squall at the Pharyngulites.

  186. cicely says

    Pre-Preschool.
    :D

    *high five* for Tony.

    And you can have the trippin’ ‘shrooms. No problem.

    Anxiously awaiting the Emergence of the DarkSpawn.

    Do your kids have godparents?

    Welll…Son didn’t have godparents as such; but when he was but a little Sonlet, The Husband and I discussed it with my best friends from college, and with their approval entered into a contract whereby Son would, in the event of our deaths (and The Husband’s mother being physically incapable of caring for him), become his guardians, in order to keep him out of my mother’s clutches. All notorized and legal and everything. I breathed a lot easier, after that.

    Giliell: nomnomnomnomnom!

    I think that contraception is horribly overpriced in the States (hello people telling all those sluts not to get pregnant so they don’t need an icky abortion…)

    Yes, but we need alla those unwanted, underprivileged bebehs…so they can grow up to join the military outta desperation and a shortage of options…so we can keep invading other countries defend ourselves from Foreign Aggression!

    *hugs* and sympathy for Ogvorbis.
    -

  187. says

    So partner spouse had a job interveiw today. The place is not run by but rents space from a Me5thodis5t church…and thr minister is on the board. Its claimed no affiliation but the minister insists on having his own seperate interveiw…and they asked marital status and what partners religion was. I don’t think were getting a call back, but is there anything that can be done with obscenely wrong and discriminatory questioning like that?

  188. Portia says

    Ing; I can’t remember where you are located, but in the US a private parochial school won the right to fire for religious reasons. The United States Supreme Court broadly defined religious leaders to include the teachers, so the teacher was without recourse. So, it depends on the position your partner was up for.

  189. Portia says

    Oops I mistook the reasons the teacher was fired, but the relevancy of the decision stands. SCOTUS says that the government can’t tell a religious organization who to hire for certain positions. Including teachers of allegedly secular subjects. Makes total sense : p

  190. says

    Rebecca Watson has an article over at Slate, giving the basic story of Elevatorgate. Needless to say, the comments are flying fast & furious. As you might expect, it’s filling up with comments by guys who don’t see anything wrong with following a woman you don’t know into an elevator at 4 a.m. Gah.

    Audley, if I don’t get another chance to say it, have a great baby.

    Meanwhile, I’m still dealing with my sciatica issues. Got laid up with major pain about a month ago, and progress is very slow. Pain isn’t bad these days, but discomfort only lets me sleep for about three hours at a time. So I get up and have coffee and fool around on the internet for a couple of hours. Then I go back to sleep for a while. Lather, rinse, repeat.
    Intelligent design, my ass.
    So far it’s cost me a month in looking for work, a couple of hundred dollars, and my hair, which was formerly long. My inability to care for it turned it into a writhing pile of snakes.
    Now it’s gone. So it goes.

  191. says

    President Obama’s team has spoken out against Richard Mourdock’s claim that pregnancy via rape is God’s will:

    Jen Psaki, traveling press secretary for the Obama campaign, [said in a press conference]
    “The President felt those comments were outrageous and demeaning to women. This is a reminder that a Republican Congress working with a Republican President Mitt Romney would [feel] that women should not be able to make choices about their own health care.” …

  192. says

    Portia

    Those cupcakes do indeed look delicious, along with all the rest. Did you make modifications besides the frosting? I’m thinking I’ll have to make those.

    I halved the recipe which still got me 24 cupcakes, but otherwise the recipe worked out fine. I used fresh pumpkin and boiled it to mash because there’s no such thing as “can of pumpkin” over here.

    Audley
    Glad you’re both fine and hope DF hurries up a little

    Ogvorbis
    Hugses

  193. birgerjohansson says

    “the only song that worked to send them into slumberland”

    Try out Bart Simpson’s “beans, the musical fruit” or Stewie Griffin’s song about a hemp-based substance. And Peter’s “I Need A Jew” is a soft-sounding tune that will make toddlers sleepy.
    South Park has many good lullabies, too. “Two Or Three, Simultaneous”, “Blame Canada”…
    — — — — — —
    Ing, about job interveiw/religion I would suggest the song of Al Bundy;
    “Lie, sell shoes, and lie”

    Thus spouse would keep up the spirit of religion. But I’m not sure about the shoe part.

  194. Paul W., OM says

    Aratina:

    (P.S. Anybody seen windy, OM around lately? I’m thinking she’d be interested and would likely know the answers to some of my [gene expression] questions.)

    Yes, I saw her just the other day at the New&Improved Slimepit. Good luck wading through the slime if you go looking that way!

    Thanks! I had no idea windy was just gone from here, much less over there. And no expectation I’d be a registered slimepitter now. (So I can message her.) Life is full of surprises.

  195. UnknownEric says

    “the only song that worked to send them into slumberland”

    When my son was a baby-type-thing, the only song that could calm him down was, bizarrely, The Cure’s “The Hanging Garden.” All I can think is that he was somehow mesmerized by the drums…

  196. cicely says

    *huge pile of hugs* for feralboy. Sciatica truly and sincerely bites, in a very real, and legally-binding sense. Every bit as much fun as a gall bladder attack, only scored for a larger area of the body.

    Intelligent design, my ass.

    Indeed; unless, of course, it’s also Malevolent Design. Then we’re bad to go.
    -

  197. Rev. BigDumbChimp says

    So the fermented chiles for hotsauces are coming along nicely and when I actually make the saices I’m going to need vinegar.

    Which got me thinking…

    Next batch of hotsauce will be blended with some vinegar made from Rodenbach Gran Cru, which I’m starting a batch of tonight.

    Damn It’s going to be good.

  198. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    Rev:

    Boy’s last hot sauce was a peach and habanero concoction. And he used a peach balsamic vinegar. And it was incredible.

    All:

    thanks (for the millionth time) for the support. I appreciate it. I also appreciate being able to vent/guilt/cry here.

  199. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    I wonder how threadrupt Audley is going to be for a while…

  200. dianne says

    Sorry, but in a world with microsoft products, I can’t call the poor “design” of the human body definitive proof against intelligent design. The overwhelming mass of evidence in favor of evolution, yes. The sheer poor quality of the design of the body, no.

  201. Portia says

    Just got a phone call, on speakerphone. The purpose of which was to throw me under the bus for not doing something I was never asked to do. And of course I wasn’t told there was another prominent attorney present until the end after I had said “Um, no I didn’t do that…” instead of “You never asked me to do that.” Bastard knew very well he was the one who let it slip, but needed someone to pin it on. *grumble grumble*

  202. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Tony, being newish here, you probably do not know MrFire. He was very active here for years. A couple of years ago, his wife had BabyFire. While he keeps in touch and some of the regulars have met his child at different events, MrFire is not seen very often anymore.

    Not to say that Audley will be the same but priorities will have to change.

  203. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Matt:

    So how does he know that if a women in such situation has an abortion that is not also part of what God intended to happen ?

    He doesn’t know. But I find it curious that his God hates abortion soooo much, yet miscarriages are quite common and God does nothing to prevent women from getting abortions. He sure is impotent.

  204. Portia says

    Whew, thanks for the reassurance, Audley. : )

    Hope you are well. (Though, I suppose we’d all understand if we saw less of you. *sniffle*)

  205. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Lynna @256:
    Petition happily signed and shared on Facebook.

    ****

    Janine:
    I completely understand a change in priorities.

    ****

    RevBDC:
    Ooh. Hot sauce. Me like.
    How hot do you like your sauce?

  206. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Sorry chigau but I will not be polite to a slimy and disingenuous troll.

    Also, I guess I have to admit, I liked it better when the undead thread was more free wheeling.

  207. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    I see that PZ has confined reliwhat to the Thunderdome. I will be quiet about him in this thread now.

    Apologies to everyone.

  208. says

    Hmmm, I’d need to access the department library right now…

    Horde question
    Does anyone of you know/ have experience with working with a Kindle? I really don’t know much about the things, but can you read PDFs and stuff on them and mark stuff like you could in a text?
    A lot of course material will be digital and I have no interest in printing it out all the time. taking the “Schlepptop” with me all the time is something I’d like to avoid, too, especially since the things are so damn non-communicative…

  209. opposablethumbs says

    I have an older model, cheaper option kindle (which I love, though I would love a better one EVEN MORE). It’s great for reading through continuous texts – but I would NOT recommend it for anything where you want to skip around, back and forth through a text (now where’s the bit where it said … and how does this compare with that other reference in the previous chapter …). My model is very laborious for annotating, though it can be done. And re my model and pdfs, it depends on the pdf. I think it might be ok with newer ones, but it’s rubbish for old pdfs as it won’t re-arrange to fit the screen (so some might end up illegibly tiny).

    HOWEVER

    Today’s kindles are different in many respects, so unless you’re thinking about an old one you’ve already got then better wait until someone with a newer one can answer :)

    ::comfortableness wishes to Audley:: and ::hugs to Ogvorbis::

    I didn’t notice reliwhat getting confined to the Thunderdome, but thank you PZ – he’s a pretty revolting creature.

  210. says

    hi again.

    the help I’d need with application is how to “sell” myself to a selection committee. I’m shit at self-promotion, and I’ve no idea how to turn “yeah, I’ve got a perfect GPA but haven’t actually done anything beyond that education/activism/research-wise; because I have a job and depression, and that’s all I have energy for. Also, please ignore that I’ve basically spent a decade just fucking around, and that I’ve dropped out of shit repeatedly” into something that makes me look like someone they’d want in their graduate program.

    Also, suggestions on who I should get recommendations from; two have to be from professors at current uni, so probably advisor and department chair; but IIRC there’s supposed to be three, so who’d be good to ask for the 3rd one?

  211. Portia says

    Jadehawk –

    Some admissions committees look kindly on people who haven’t been all academics all the time. For the third reference, perhaps an employer?

  212. mildlymagnificent says

    Lullabies. I used a few fairly brief ones, but anyone who knows littlies film preferences knows that anything from The Sound of Music is a winner. Edelweiss was on the rotation.

    Then my sister who looked after them while I was at work told me she had one of the best moments of her life. Driving along, 4 and 2 year old strapped into kiddy seats in the back. And 2 little voices, note and timing perfect, sang the whole thing through. She didn’t have a camera or any other recording device, she didn’t dare stop or change anything for fear of interrupting. One precious memory.

  213. says

    More Todd Akin news. Turns out Akin has been hiding aggressive, violent assaults in which he participated in the past. These actions were against abortion clinics.

    [inset quote is from the The St. Louis Post-Dispatch]
    Congressman Todd Akin was arrested at least three times in the 1980s during anti-abortion protests, not just the one time he has publicly acknowledged.

    Akin’s previously undisclosed arrests, in 1985, were for criminal trespass and resisting arrest at abortion clinic protests in St. Louis and Illinois.

    And why haven’t we heard about this sooner? That’s the interesting part — when Akin was arrested three times, he used his given name, William Akin. It’s why folks couldn’t find anything when they looked up arrest records for “Todd Akin.”

    Soon after his arrests, Akin began using his middle name as he entered politics.

    What’s more, as People for the American Way’s Michael Keegan told the Post-Dispatch, “These were not non-violent protests. These were aggressive, physical efforts to shut down clinics…. What’s remarkable is how long Todd Akin has been able to hide these incidents.

    Link.

    Akin’s campaign staff had promised earlier to release all the details of his previous arrest. Then they changed their minds and said no details would be forthcoming. Stories from other sources note that the violent protests were connected to militias, militias with which Akin had some relationship.

  214. says

    For the third reference, perhaps an employer?

    I’ve only had McJobs before I became effectively self-employed… and let’s just say it generally tended to show that I hated these jobs :-p

  215. says

    This is a follow-up to Janine’s post @288.

    [Inset quote is from the Washington Post]
    Like many conservative pundits, Sarah Palin is criticizing President Obama for his administration’s inconsistent statements on the Benghazi, Libya, attack. Unlike many conservative pundits, Palin used the term “shuck and jive” to describe Obama’s behavior.

    In a Facebook post today, Palin wrote: “Obama’s Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies.” She also used the term in the text of the post, which concludes, “President Obama’s shuck and jive shtick with these Benghazi lies must end.”

    Let’s put aside, at least for now, the fact that the latest Benghazi revelations appear to be entirely uninteresting, and even the most unhinged White House critics are yet to document any administration “lies” associated with last month’s attack.

    Let’s instead ponder a fairly straightforward, two-part question: “Shuck and jive”? Seriously?

    It’s quite possible that Palin just isn’t informed enough to understand the phrase she used (more than once), so Alex Halperin referenced the Urban Dictionary:

    To shuck and jive” originally referred to the intentionally misleading words and actions that African-Americans would employ in order to deceive racist Euro-Americans in power, both during the period of slavery and afterwards. The expression was documented as being in wide usage in the 1920s, but may have originated much earlier.

    “Shucking and jiving” was a tactic of both survival and resistance. A slave, for instance, could say eagerly, “Oh, yes, Master,” and have no real intention to obey. Or an African-American man could pretend to be working hard at a task he was ordered to do, but might put up this pretense only when under observation. Both would be instances of “doin’ the old shuck ‘n jive.”

    As Jeffrey Goldberg concluded, Palin’s choice of words “isn’t an example of a racist dog-whistle because it’s too obviously racist to be considered code.”

    Link.

  216. says

    I was filling up my coffee at 7-11 this morning (I know, but I was desperate) and the older man next to me reached for the cups and said “Excuse me, m’dear. Oh, I mean ma’am. My wife tells me I shouldn’t call women that, it might offend them. But I learned it from my grandpa.”

    I’m thinking I might be about to hear a PC police, amirite complaint, so I head him off at the pass: “Where did your family come from? In the US, I mean?”

    He said West Virginia, and I said yup, that explains it, people don’t usually do that up here (Washington state). “Welp,” he told me placidly, “I try to be politically correct. The last thing I want to do is offend a woman.”

    :D

  217. Richard Austin says

    Jadehawk:

    Well, self-employment itself should have provided plenty of opportunities you could showcase. Do you have any major clients or partners that could provide a recommendation?

    For the “sell myself” angle, the best person to start with would generally be someone who knows more details of your past. A simple conversation where you start recalling major moments and can then lead to details or significant things you may have forgotten is the start. Write them down, in order, but even just having the conversation may stir up memories of awesome moments you’ve forgotten.

    Once you do that, it’s just a matter of framing; that can be done by people here as well (I am, unfortunately, extremely good at that sort of thing): it’s really just a form of marketing. It always feels sleazy to me, but it isn’t.

  218. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    skeptifem and Thomathy:

    If you’re interested in what led both myself and Janine to dislike reliwhat,
    here
    and
    HERE are good places to start.

  219. says

    Making certain that little girls are raised with twisted, damaged concepts of female sexuality:

    ew. also, I note the very objective evaluation criteria of “can you see too much of [bodypart X]? then your clothing article is too short”. “too much” is just such a precise and helpful measurement

  220. says

    I see that my tendency to avoid people is going to bite me in the ass in this application thingy. The beauty and joy of my job is that it involves almost zero contact with other people (no bosses, clients, coworkers, etc.); and there probably isn’t a person who’s actually familiar with my life continuously through the last 10-15 years or so.

    this is going to be difficult.

  221. Rey Fox says

    Jeez. I’ve used “shuck and jive” on numerous occasions and I didn’t know it was racist.

  222. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Lynna, I linked to that a couple of days ago. It went down with out anyone commenting about it.

  223. says

    Lynna, I linked to that a couple of days ago. It went down with out anyone commenting about it.

    Sorry I missed that Janine. I mostly threadrupt most days. I see that several more mainstream media websites have picked up the story, including HuffPo, so maybe more people will hear about it and then give the Maryland Marriage Alliance to drubbing they have earned.

  224. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    I tried to cut out the quote from secretkeeper about the sight of bellies be intoxicating and should be saved for husbands. Pixal flowers appeared where I passed my mouse over.

    I fucking hate such cutsie shit! Talk about plopping a rotten cherry onto of a shit sundae.

  225. says

    … in a world with Microsoft products, I can’t call the poor “design” of the human body definitive proof against intelligent design…

    Heh.

    Funny thing is: I think in part the general kludginess of Microsoft products is due to evolutionary aspects of their development.

    As in: there’s a legacy behind each, previous versions to support, older hardware they have to run on, iffy or now just out-of-date design decisions made in the previous code that you have to work around when you do the new rev. So: cruftiness and oddness doth abound.

    This, of course, implies not so much an ‘intelligent’ designer as one with somewhat twisted and complicated corporate business priorities who keeps sticking his fingers back in and trying (and frequently only half succeeding) to maintain and re-release an existing codebase…

    So I guess, okay, fair enough, just on the evidence of the quality of design, maybe you’d have to leave ‘directed evolution’ on the table, from the Microsoft example…

    … but, of course, if you go for this analogy, an omniscient designer is pretty much right out. This is more a designer who, frankly, makes and revises and kludges and hacks and rejigs his design decisions on a bizarre and ad hoc and wildly unpredictable schedule, and can’t see around corners much at all*. And, of course, seems to accept as a reasonable architectural refinement strategy running millions of slightly modified versions on a regular basis on the assumption that, sure many of them will crash and burn right out of the gate, many more will limp along imperfectly and inefficiently for a long and painful while, but now and then he’ll get something slightly less ungainly than the last rev, just by chance.

    (/And, y’know, I’ve seen humans bluescreen. It’s not pretty.)

    (*/Hrm. Yeah, actually, kind of like Microsoft again, come to think of it.)

  226. Rey Fox says

    I think I’m just going to have to make a new rule. If an expression originated in the South, don’t use it. It’s almost certainly racist.

  227. says

    Janine @310

    I tried to cut out the quote from secretkeeper about the sight of bellies be intoxicating and should be saved for husbands.

    There’s one about “cleavage” for what appear to be eight-year-old girls. I couldn’t copy that one either.

  228. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Lynna, now those ghouls are trying to talk it back, that they do not mean that LGBT people and their supporters should be put to death but that they will be worthy of spiritual death, that is, end up in hell.

  229. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Janine:
    Your link @ 288 introduced me to “Wassillabilly” as a term of affection for Ms. Palin.

  230. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    I have to admit that the Lake County Clerks Office is on the ball. I mailed the Redhead’s application for a “vote by mail” ballot Monday, and it arrived in the mail today. I figured Friday at the earliest.

  231. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Lynna @ 298:
    Ugh.

    The title should have been “A theists guide to body shaming for women”.

  232. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Rey Fox @304:
    I’ve never heard the phrase before today. Reading about it though, I can see clearly how racist it is.
    ____
    To have used that phrase indicates Ms. Palin has some knowledge of what it means. So she’s wearing her racism on her sleeves now.

  233. says

    CNN Health should know better. They aired, they repeated, the most awful “research” about women’s voting patterns.

    Pursuing those women voters might be a lost cause for the 2012 candidates, CNN Health says, because their lady parts might be doing the voting for them:

    “While the campaigns eagerly pursue female voters, there’s something that may raise the chances for both presidential candidates that’s totally out of their control: women’s ovulation cycles.

    You read that right. New research suggest that hormones may influence female voting choices differently, depending on whether a woman is single or in a committed relationship.”

    Though CNN Health stipulates that “several political scientists who read the study have expressed skepticism about its conclusions,” it still posts those conclusions, which are:

    “The researchers found that during the fertile time of the month, when levels of the hormone estrogen are high, single women appeared more likely to vote for Obama and committed women appeared more likely to vote for Romney, by a margin of at least 20%, Durante said. This seems to be the driver behind the researchers’ overall observation that single women were inclined toward Obama and committed women leaned toward Romney.

    Here’s how Durante explains this: When women are ovulating, they ‘feel sexier,’ and therefore lean more toward liberal attitudes on abortion and marriage equality. Married women have the same hormones firing, but tend to take the opposite viewpoint on these issues, she says.”

    “There is absolutely no reason to expect that women’s hormones affect how they vote any more than there is a reason to suggest that variations in testosterone levels are responsible for variations in the debate performances of Obama and Romney,” Susan Carroll, a professor of political science and women’s and gender studies at Rutgers, told CNN.

    I suppose it’s true that none of us want to fuck Romney, but to imply that we decide whom to vote for based on our ovulation cycle instead of based on the candidate’s policies … well, that’s just fucked up.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/cnn_wonders_do_hormones_drive_womens_votes/

  234. says

    To have used that phrase indicates Ms. Palin has some knowledge of what it means. So she’s wearing her racism on her sleeves now.

    Dog-whistle racism was just too subtle for Palin. Subtlety strikes her as anti-American.

  235. says

    your daily dose of the Republican War on Women (Welfare Queen edition):
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/24/1083101/proposed-bill-food-stamp-benefits-raped/

    A Pennsylvania House bill seeks to limit the amount of food stamp assistance that low-income women receive based on the amount of children they give birth to while covered under the program.
    [...]
    State Reps. RoseMarie Swanger (R), Tom Caltagirone (D), Mark Gillen (R), Keith Gillespie (R), Adam Harris (R), and Mike Tobash (R) — don’t want their state’s food stamp program to provide additional benefits for that newborn. If a woman gives birth to a child who was conceived from rape, she may seek an exception to this rule so that her food stamp benefits aren’t slashed, but only if she can provide proof that she reported her sexual assault and her abuser’s identity to the police

  236. says

    Lynna, any stories about men vote because of their dangling bits?

    LOL.

    Romney does have a double-digit lead in the polls if you poll only white men. Not sure what conclusions we should draw.

  237. says

    Excerpts from Matt Taibbi’s live blog of the third debate of the presidential race:

    9:22 Romney is outsmarting himself. He re-seized momentum from Obama in the first debate by completely recasting himself as Casper, your friendly neighborhood centrist. That worked so well that he must have decided he could bite off even more of the undecideds by coming into the foreign policy debate and running as the corporate-raider version of John Lennon or Benjamin Spock. I think his plan was to come in and be Dick Nixon in 1968, running as the beatifically-smiling “peace candidate,” but instead, all these contortions were finally a bridge too far — he came across like one of those terrified-of-aging Hollywood types whose face finally sloughs off in public after too many eye jobs and neck lifts. It’s going to be a hilarious, delicious pleasure watching conservative America bash Romney for coughing up the presidency by coming out as a closet hippie in the biggest night of his political career.

    10:30 “I think we all love teachers.” Schaffer skillfully blasts Romney with the corrective fire-hose for his shameless and weirdly indiscriminate rhetorical baby-kissing.

    leischer talking about how this debate doesn’t matter because the public is focused on the economy, that’s a clear signal that he knew Romney fucked the dog tonight. This should be the death-blow to Romney, but I’ve said that before and been wrong.

  238. says

    Well, this is kinda funny. “Concerned Women” have put together a video aimed at negating this ad, which features Scarlett Johansson, Eva Longoria & Kerry Washington

    Here is the “Concerned Women” ad Let’s Talk About Women. It’s a mess.

    I wanna talk to you about women … Hollywood women…

    Moreover, the Concerned Women cannot pronounce “elitist.”

  239. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    Funny how CWA is so dismissive because those were “Hollywood” women. I do hope they will never use a celebrity as a spokesperson.

    Have to laugh at how they dismiss the fear that the Mittbot 3000 will dismiss Roe V Wade, separation of powers. And who nominates Supreme Court Justices? What have Presidents always done? Try to stack the court. The Mittbot 3000 only needs to replace one retiring justice to get a court that will over turn Roe V Wade.

  240. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Janine:

    Lynna, any stories about men vote because of their dangling bits?

    {OT}
    I don’t know about voting, but tipping?
    I’ve long suspected that many men tip with their dicks (i.e. hoping to get the phone number of a woman, or get her to go home with him). Between the stares and comments I’ve seen directed at female bartenders, it’s apparent to me that many guys view them as pieces of meat. I guess they figure “throw them enough money and they’ll fuck me”. I think a lot of men tip based on the appearance of their server/bartender. Hell, I’ve fallen into this trap too. I’ve worked in the service industry for 20 years and I’ve been a great tipper for most of that time. I usually start @ 20-25% and work up from there, but that depends on a few factors. Sometimes, one of those factors is how cute I’ve found the bartender/server. It’s happened a few times. I’ve caught myself leaving a substantially higher tip for someone because I thought they were attractive. Not always though.

    I don’t often see the opposite, however. Perhaps it’s a bias on my part or bad memory, but I don’t recall women tipping higher amounts simply because they’re attracted to a server/bartender.

  241. Ichthyic says

    Does anyone of you know/ have experience with working with a Kindle? I really don’t know much about the things, but can you read PDFs and stuff on them and mark stuff like you could in a text?
    A lot of course material will be digital and I have no interest in printing it out all the time. taking the “Schlepptop” with me all the time is something I’d like to avoid, too, especially since the things are so damn non-communicative…

    I decided on a more expandable reader than the Kindle. Went with the Sony PRS1 and found that to be an excellent black and white reader. Yes, they do read PDF’s just fine, and yes, you can get applications that will mark up text or pdf’s pretty much like you would on any mac or PC… BUT… to do that you will have to “root” the device to be able to install custom applications from the Google Store. this is not hard, and there are a ton of video walkthroughs on how to do this on the web.

    that said, I’ve also spent a lot of time playing around with color led tablets too, and find them almost as readable as the black and white LCD tablets (so long as you’re not in direct sun!). They also tend to come with full versions of Android on them, so no need to root, and the prices are quite reasonable too. Most of the 7″ color tablets can fit in a cargo-pants size pocket, or a small purse, and work extremely well for me to read scientific journal articles while I’m on the go. I also tried the 10″ color tablets, and find that if you’re going with a backpack, they’re even better than the 7″ tablets (more power, better battery life, faster, etc.).

    Since it sounds like you’ll be using this for uni material, I would recommend avoiding the Kindle, and going for one of the 10″ tablets. ASUS makes some excellent ones that even come with an optional keyboard dock for when you want a full keyboard, extra battery life, and even extra storage capacity and full-sized usb connections. I bought one of the original transformer series (101) and find even that suits my needs quite well, though there are much better ones out there now. I would recommend the TFT300 as being a fantastic laptop replacement that is of course ten times more portable.

    also, Microsoft is coming out with their new “surface pads” and those are getting good reviews as well.

    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33642_7-57456140-292/microsofts-surface-tablet-vs-the-ipad-seven-challenges/

    all that said, if you are looking for something even cheaper, there are a number of chinese knockoffs in the 7″ tablet size that I have tried, are quite decent, and only cost around 100.00

    I’m currently using this one:

    http://www.focalprice.com/CE0031W/HYUNDAI_A7_7_Capacitive_Android_40_Tablet_with_3G_WiFi_White.html

    and have had pretty good luck with it, though it is noticeably slower than my ASUS 10″ tablet.

  242. Richard Austin says

    I don’t often see the opposite, however. Perhaps it’s a bias on my part or bad memory, but I don’t recall women tipping higher amounts simply because they’re attracted to a server/bartender.

    Hang out at the Abbey for a while. Not only have my friends there been tipped more by women who thought they were hot, some of the offers have included:
    1) $50 an hour that they work without their shirt on
    2) extra money for “body shots”
    3) requests or even demands that they serve in a jock or in their underwear

    Of course, they’ve gotten many of these offers – and others – from guys there as well. It’s not limited to men, though.

  243. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Ichthyic:
    Would the Nexus 7 be a good buy for Giliell’s needs? At $199, it’s got a nice price tag for what it offers.

  244. Ichthyic says

    the Nexus is a huge step up from the Kindle, both in power, abilities, and the fact that the version of android it comes with is not gimped like it is on the Kindle, so I would certainly recommend it over the Kindle any day.

    that said, while it does come with a jack for connecting a mini USB, it does NOT come with any expansion slots (so no external flash memory expansion) which can become limiting if one plans to move a lot of files and programs around on it.

    so, if looking for a good 7″ flexible reader, yeah, that’ll do. It should work fine for reading PDF’s and course material, and you can install anything on it you wish from the Google Play store to assist. However, if looking for a replacement for a laptop, it will fall a bit short.

    Transferring files (or sideloading programs) to it will require either wifi or usb connection to another machine. The storage will be limited to either 8 or 16gb, which sounds like a lot, but really after OS and other required proggies, ends up being pretty tight.

    Still, for the price range, it’s a good place to start; again would definitely recommend it over the Kindle.

    If one finds it isn’t sufficient, then it’s easy enough to save a bit and get a ten inch tablet as well. I find I use both often enough to figure it was worth the extra hundred or so I spent on the 7″.

    so, for under 200.00, the Nexus looks like it might fit the bill, provided there is no need to sideload stuff via an external card, or a need for a lot of storage space (not planning on storing a lot of music or vids).

    I still like the 10″ size better for serious work, but that might just be because I’m old and blind :)

  245. broboxley OT says

    Janine
    “Who exactly cares what the Snowbilly Queen of Methville thinks” someone knows wasilla :-)
    Janine, or Lynna do you have more links, I see a slight problem
    Janine your link has

    Obama’s Shuck and Jive Ends with Bengazis Lies

    That has a much different connotation than what Salon and others report
    http://f3v3r.com/2012/10/24/sarah-palin-says-obama-does-the-shuck-and-jive/

    Why the dissembling about the cause of the murder of our ambassador on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks on American soil? We deserve answers to this. President Obama’s shuck and jive shtick with these Benghazi lies must end.

    hmm let me look thru archives
    http://www.riehlworldview.com/2008/01/oh-my-is-obama.html

    “It was never about Obama in the first place,” Cuomo told me of the use of the phrase, which he said he was using “as a synonym for ‘bob and weave.’”

    after further searches it appears that the term is perfectly acceptable when used by african americans but is a major poo faux when used by any other people of color or white

    google search term used
    biden politician shuck and jive –palin

    (skip articles with palin)

  246. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Arghh!
    Two posts in a row POOF into the FtB ethersphere.
    WTF?

  247. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Arghh!
    Two posts in a row POOF into the FtB ethersphere.
    WTF?

    If it doesn’t contain more than five links, what it likely means is that a word sets off the spam filter. Typically these are various words common in spam, or the names of banned trolls. Which is why preview can be your friend if you try again.

  248. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Oh, and Tony, certain web sites also sets off the spam filter. For example, I believe the Slymepit is verboten (German for forbidden, taboo, not to be linked to)

  249. broboxley OT says

    #335 Janine,
    your link may have been photo shopped to make the quote look worse that it was

    After looking into it, when Cuomo used it he was called on it as well, so yes apparently it is race baiting.

    When looking for usage it appears that the phrase is liked and used by people claiming to be of color so it is a reserved phrase.

  250. Ichthyic says

    after further searches it appears that the term is perfectly acceptable when used by african americans but is a major poo faux when used by any other people of color or white

    *facepalm*

    welcome to understanding cultural jargon 101?

    suggest you pause to consider what this means before continuing.

  251. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    Thanks! I had no idea windy was just gone from here, much less over there. And no expectation I’d be a registered slimepitter now. (So I can message her.) Life is full of surprises.

    I would ask how one goes from an OM to a slimepit supporter, but…

  252. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Nerd:
    That was helpful.
    Thank you.

    Been there, had posts swallowed, never to reappear. Lots of work even to get a paragraph to post.

  253. John Morales says

    Azkyroth:

    I would ask how one goes from an OM to a slimepit supporter, but…

    Were you to ask, I would tell you that the reason is that Pharyngula standards of merit back when were not as focused on ideological compatibility as they now are, but since you haven’t asked, I have not so responded.

  254. says

    This is an update on Richard Mourdock’s comments about pregnancy resulting from rape being God’s will — so, no abortion for you if God willed that your pregnancy arrived via rape.

    The update: Today Mourdock tried to explain himself. He wants you to know that he does not think that it was God’s will that you be raped. He just thinks it was God’s will that you got pregnant as a result of that rape.

    Oh, okay. Well, that certainly clears that up.

    “God creates life, and that was my point. God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that he does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick,” stated Richard Mourdock.

    Link.

  255. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    Okay, JT’s post here just made me think of something I’d been wondering about previously – Pharyngula seems like a broader question base, though.

    Is “intellectual disability” generally preferred to “cognitive disability?” And if so, is there any particular reason for this?

  256. says

    brobroxley @334

    Janine, or Lynna do you have more links, I see a slight problem

    In a Facebook post today, Palin wrote: “Obama’s Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies.” She also used the term in the text of the post, which concludes, “President Obama’s shuck and jive shtick with these Benghazi lies must end.”

    Washington Post link.

    You may have confused a tweet with a Facebook post, and/or the title of a Facebook post with the entirety of the post.

    The Internet blew up Wednesday after­noon about Palin’s Facebook post titled: “Obama’s Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies.”

    “Why the lies? Why the cover up? Why the dissembling about the cause of the murder of our ambassador on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks on American soil? We deserve answers to this. President Obama’s shuck and jive shtick with these Benghazi lies must end,” the 2008 vice presidential candidate wrote.

    Chicago Sun-Times link.

    All the confusion aside, how much difference does any of this make. Sarah Palin characterized President Obama as shucking and jiving.

  257. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    Also: Nutmeg, thanks. Congratulations on your successful outcoming. :3

  258. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    Lynna:

    Oh, what a fucking surprise. Mourdock is now going to portray himself as a poor innocent victim. Next step, fundraising to help him combat these unfair liberals who actually quote what he said?

  259. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    So, broboxley, what does Twitchy have to say about god using rape to start a life or shucking and jiving.

    Yes, I am being very snarky.

  260. says

    Another Sarah Palin “shuck and jive” link for broboxley:
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/sarah-palin-shuck-and-jive-14056814

    This one incorporates comments from Fox News, and comments on the Fox News comments.

    Ogvorbis:

    Oh, what a fucking surprise. Mourdock is now going to portray himself as a poor innocent victim…

    Oh, yes. Portraying himself as a victim has been taken to new heights, with tears and choking up on camera. And, Mourdock was “misunderstood,” the word “misunderstood” was repeated several times for good measure.

  261. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    I’m just a soul whose intentions are good
    Oh Lord, please don’t let me be misunderstood

  262. ImaginesABeach says

    I volunteered for Minnesotans United for All Families tonight – making phone calls to ask people to vote against the anti-marriage amendment (forbids same sex marriage). Turns out, I’m really bad at it (I’m not surprised, but I’m disappointed with myself). I told BoyChild about it, and he asked me why I signed up. I told him that I signed up because I felt that I had to stand up for what’s right. He said, “wouldn’t it make more sense for people who are good at it to do that and for you to do whatever it is that you are good at.” Smart kid. Dumb mom.

  263. Ichthyic says

    Making certain that little girls are raised with twisted, damaged concepts of female sexuality:

    oh hell, I knew there was a reason my brain did NOT acknowledge that link the first time I saw it.

    Now I’ve lost a ton of brain cells, and will have to cancel my pub crawl tonight.

    thanks.

    I mean… it had animated flowers ON THE CURSOR…

    OW.

  264. Ichthyic says

    Another Sarah Palin “shuck and jive” link for broboxley:

    Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods

    LOL

  265. Ogvorbis: broken and cynical says

    Today is National Bologna Day.

    So when is national soprasatta day? Or home-cured coppa day? Hell, even national mortadella day would be better. Bologna? Bleah.

    When I lived in Maryland, there were a couple of kids I knew whose mom served fried balogna (along with steam lettuce salad) to me for dinher.

  266. cicely says

    JAL, I see it as more that there are several “designers”, all trying to tweak the same program, all with different goals, some mutually incompatible, and where there’s too much invested in existing programming to simply scrap it and start over. One “designer” is trying to optimize neonatal brain size, but oh, wait, the “designer” working on the chassis hasn’t provided a user-friendly pelvis for the purpose. Or the conflicts between “must store extra calories against future need” and “oh, shit! it’s raining butter!”.

    Not sure if this nugget about Todd Akins has come up here, yet.
    -

  267. John Morales says

    Succinct post by Charlie Stross: Chefs in a city under siege

    We are into October in an even-numbered year that happens to fall on a particular 4-year cycle—no, not the Olympics; it’s an even bigger media circus in the English-speaking nations, for we are currently swamped by the angst, excitement, and general swithering that goes with a US election year. Because the United States predates the telegraph and the steam locomotive, elections had to be held at predictable intervals (with a couple of months between election and administration to allow the new incumbents to travel to Washington DC by river boat and on horse back), and like so many other aspects of the US political framework, the election cycle was effectively frozen in aspic by the US constitution.

    [...]

  268. broboxley OT says

    #351 Janine, seriously whats a Twitchey?
    as to being snarkey, snark away.
    Sad that Palin Lowered herself to Andrew Cuomo’s level

    god using rape to start a life

    isnt that how the mary godmother got started?

  269. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    *facepalm*

    You have linked to Twitchy in the past, broboxley. Because you just cannot trust Rachel Maddow.

  270. broboxley OT says

    Janine, Twitchy.com? Sure, if it supports a point I would link to Maddow. I trust her just fine to slant in her favor. Like Mathews, Sheppard, O’Reilly, Olbermann, Limbaugh and Howard Stern. Just another opinion site.

  271. Janine: Hallucinating Liar says

    If you use Twichy, you might as well also use *nn C**lt*r, Drudge, O’Reilly and all of the other reality denying dipshits.

    Rachel Maddow is not just a liberal counterpoint to these dishonest hacks.

  272. broboxley OT says

    369 Janine, Maddow is not a liberal counterpoint to these dishonest hacks, she is an entertainer whose audience is folks like yourself. It’s great that you like and trust her, her living depends on that audience.
    you want facts, check a news site, not an entertainment show
    try Al Jazeera , naharnet, hindustan times, iranian news service (drudge has a link) haaretz, South China post and others. st. pete times is reasonably balanced for a us site and ajc.com (caveat I live local) news.google.com is an aggregator like drudge but international choose the country that interests you.