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  1. says

    Hmm. Only ever had one thing from those people. I have always been a fan of music videos that did more than have some idiot film their band on a stage, and despite the religious overtones, their song, “One Last Breath”, isn’t all that bad. Same CD, includes, ironically, a song that I am sure terrorists would be singing, if someone bothered to translate it from English to the local language:

    http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/creed/freedomfighter.html

    Yeah, stupid is as stupid does, I suppose.

  2. Crip Dyke, MQ, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    The star power of that guy! It’s blinding.

    No, wait. it’s just that there’s no light at all by which i might see….

  3. jackiepaper says

    Isn’t that the guy who was taped getting a BJ on Kid Rock’s bus or something? That’ll pack in those values voters!

  4. says

    Stapp was thrown out of Christian Rock band Creed for being a fall-down drunk. If you can’t make the cut in the rarified air of Christian Rock then.. wow. The only place down is Fox and Friends.

  5. kreativekaos says

    Too bad,… I kind of liked a few of their songs, like Higher.
    Excuse the stereotyping, but I’ve often found it to be over the years that some of these hard or metal rockers (not sure of Creed actually falls into that category, but that was my impression) have this ‘thing’ for right-wing ideology and politicians. ( eg, T. Nugent. Jeez he makes me puke. And I’ve been embarrassed for years for my state, since he’s a fellow native of Michigan.)

  6. Rip Steakface says

    @8 kreativekaos

    Creed is post-grunge – the mostly-idiotic after image of grunge (Foo Fighters is about the only decent post-grunge band I can think of, though Alter Bridge has one or two… tolerable songs – they’re the members of Creed except with Scott Stapp replaced by someone who isn’t an asshole). They’re in the same genre as Nickelback, if it’s any help.

    Anyway, hard rock and metal run the gamut of the political spectrum. On the far right, you have Ted Nugent, Scott Stapp, and Dave Mustaine (the last is the guitarist and singer of Megadeth, an excellent thrash metal band with very dumb political leanings). There’s also a few bands around that have explicitly neo-Nazi ideas (often falling under the genre of black metal, and called National Socialist Black Metal [NSBM]).

    On the left, you have bands like Anthrax (overall awesome lyrics – anti-hate, occasional comedy), Atheist and Death, who write songs about philosophy, environmentalism (one of Atheist’s favorite topics, despite their name), against racism, religion and sexism, and pro-choice.

    A lot of bands tend to just have an overall anti-authority message, if they even have a message. More often than not, the focus is not on lyrics in metal, but on musicality – riffs, rhythms and melodies are celebrated, lyrics are secondary. However, if you pick a random metal song, it’s going to be about death. In rock, when in doubt, write a love song. In metal, when in doubt, write about death.

  7. Rip Steakface says

    Oh yeah, and if this Creed endorsed someone for president, I’d probably follow them. I mean, if you can outsmart/outplan (though mostly it involves hiding very large tanks in very unlikely locations) the God of Intrigue, you probably know what you’re doing.

  8. leftwingfox says

    Stapp was thrown out of Christian Rock band Creed for being a fall-down drunk

    This makes him the ideal representative of the Republican Party.

  9. greg1466 says

    Egad. Okay, let me get this straight. You were all inspired by Obama and the change he promised. You are now disappointed in all of his broken promises and are therefore going to back Romney. I guess you haven’t noticed that, almost without exception, the promises that Obama broke were the ones that were actually going to change the policies that Romney endorses?

  10. says

    @6
    apparently!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Stapp#Legal_troubles

    A sex tape of Stapp and Kid Rock receiving oral sex on a tour bus in 1999 became public in 2006. In an interview about the 45 minute tape, Stapp said he did not believe oral sex was actual sex. Stapp says he and Kid Rock have not spoken since the tape became public

    mitt finally found his demographic: hypocrites!

    Stapp is a fucking charmer for sure:

    In July 2002, he was detained by Florida police and charged with reckless driving after he drove his SUV off the road before swerving back into the proper lane. He was released from custody after posting $500.[42]
    He was also arrested February 12, 2006, one day after his second marriage, for suspected intoxication.[43]
    On May 20, 2007, he was arrested for domestic abuse; after returning home after a night of partying, Stapp was questioned by his wife Jaclyn and got defensive and threw a bottle of Orangina at her. She called the police and her husband was taken into custody and charged with one count of assault, although he was later set free on supervised release.[44] Stapp apologized to his wife and the public on May 23, 2007, and the charge was later dropped.

    I mean, jesus.

  11. says

    Mitt Romney also has Glenn Beck on his side. Yesterday Beck came out with an explanation for why Romney is behind in he polls: God put Romney behind in the polls to prove it’s a miracle when he wins.

    “I know Mitt Romney wasn’t your first choice, nor was he mine,” Beck recently told controversial “historian” David Barton in a video clip highlighted by Right Wing Watch on Monday. “I am to the point that — A — God is trying to make this so clear to us that if it happens, it’s his finger. Because nothing looks good.”

    “And yet, everybody I know who I consider a spiritual giant feels good,” he continued. “And it bothers me that I feel good because, I’m like, there’s no reason that I should feel good on this.”

    The former Fox News host went on to explain that Romney’s hidden private life proved that he was “kind of on the line” with President George Washington….

    Okay …. um… no, I can’t parse that in any way that makes sense.

  12. says

    Mitt Romney also has Rush Limbaugh on his side, which Limbaugh proved today by calling Obama an “affirmative action hire.”

    Suggesting that Obama came into his current job through “affirmative action” is an clearly racial line of attack, the likes of which Limbaugh has launched against Obama for years. He’s previously labeled the Harvard graduate and former U.S. Senator a “halfrican American” and an “affirmative action candidate.” The Republican talker even once played a song on his show titled, “Barack the Magic Negro,” set to the tune of “Puff the Magic Dragon.”

    Link.

  13. says

    Mitt Romney has Donald Trump on his side. Donald has this advice for Mitt, “In debate, Mitt Romney should ask Obama why autobiography states ‘born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia.’”

    Yes, Mitt, please take this advice.

  14. says

    Pearl Jam is supporting Senator Joh Tester, a Democrat.

    Pearl Jam last weekend busted out a set 29-song set packed with fan favorites and politically-tinged covers at the Adams Center in Missoula, Montana, in support of Sen. Jon Tester, a Democrat who’s currently seeking re-election in a hotly contested race that could determine which party controls the U.S. Senate…

    While the members of Pearl Jam aren’t shy about voicing their political beliefs – frontman Eddie Vedder recently performed at a fundraiser for President Barack Obama – the connection to Tester is more personal: bassist Jeff Ament, a Montana native, is a childhood friend of the senator’s….

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/pearl-jam-rocks-montana-in-support-of-u-s-senator-20121002

  15. says

    In more music-mixed-with-politics news:

    The annual neo-Nazi skinhead rock concert known as Hammerfest will be held this Saturday in or near Boise, Idaho, where authorities say they are worried about the potential for violence at or after the event.

    Hammerskin Nation, one of the largest and most-dangerous neo-Nazi skinhead groups in the United States, is sponsoring the 25thannual gathering…

    Potok also said that the location of the event reflected new strength in the region. “The fact that it’s planned for Boise suggests that Hammerskin Nation is growing stronger in the Pacific Northwest than it has been for years,” he said…..

    Idaho is solid, solid, solid Mitt Romney country. A few folks in Sun Valley will buck the trend, but Idaho is almost as Romneyland as Utah. Still betting that Hammerfest would not be Romney’s style.

    White power music.

    A flyer promoting Saturday’s event says this year’s bands will include Blue Eyed Devils, Thirteen Knots, Chaos 88, Rebel Devils and Fucc Face 88, along with “international guests not to be missed.”

  16. says

    It’s not who is behind Romney so much as what is behind Romney, and that’s money. The money comes not just from Koch brothers types who think they are buying a regulation-free zone, but also from the mormon empire.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54478720-78/church-money-lds-mall.html.csp

    The LDS Church repeats that it is politically neutral, but all that money is behind getting out the mormon message that church members should “speak with one voice” when it comes to politics.

    Mormons use their businesses in part to spread church values.

    “The reason to have businesses is to communicate and try and have influence, whether it’s through a book, or through a blog, or a website, or a TV station, or radio stations, a newspaper, whatever it is,…striving to bring both honor and profit to the church

  17. says

    Romney thinks that 47% of the citizens of the USA are such losers that they can’t be expected to vote for him.

    And now we learn that Paul Ryan thinks that only 30% of the citizens are losers.
    Link to video — sorry it’s on HuffPo.

    “Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state,” Ryan said. “Before too long, we could become a society where the net majority of Americans are takers, not makers.”

  18. Amphiox says

    Before too long, we could become a society where the net majority of Americans are takers, not makers.

    If this is quoted correctly, methinks Ryan has made a telling freudian slip….

  19. Tyrant al-Kalām says

    As a German I am dumbfounded every time that the US has actual Hitler worshippers as its white power movement ( l suppose the 88 in those band names stands for HH as usual). I always imaginewhite supremacists as nationalists, and that does not compute in light of WWII.

  20. Rip Steakface says

    @25
    These people are not particularly bright, so they don’t connect the dots between being a nationalist, white supremacist… and Hitler worshiper.

    However, remember America’s “melting pot” status. The largest self-reported (yeah, not really reliable, but nonetheless) ancestral white ethnic group is German, so many of us are in fact German. In turn, it is doubtless that many white supremacists are also German-American.

  21. says

    If Scott Stapp spent the next several years studying night and day, putting his heart and soul into the endeavor and sacrificing every spare minute of free time for the cause, he could just miss graduating from ignorant self-centered bastard to moronic rock-headed imbecile.

  22. kreativekaos says

    Rip Steakface, Lynna:

    Some interesting stuff at the point where music interfaces with politics, thanks. What I know about some groups is many times just a passing familiarity. Jon Bon Jovi (not sure of his specific political leanings), does seem to have some sense of civic/social responsibility, from what I’ve seen and heard. I know one of my favs, P. Jam/Eddie Vedder, is pretty progressive; Rage Against the Machine and others as well.
    (One of my heroes– Tom Morello, in his alter ego as,’The Night Watchman’. For me, nothing less than inspirational.)

  23. Rip Steakface says

    Tom Morello is great. An innovative guitarist, Harvard graduate and overall good guy.

  24. =8)-DX says

    Come off it PZ – this is a bit of spin. Scott Stapp didn’t say he was going to vote for Romney, he was actually voicing many of the criticisms of Obama from the left as an independent. Lot’s of people have been dissillusioned of the “hope” and “change” Obama hype (as have you), that doesn’t make people stupid.

    Hope you Americans choose the better candidate again.

  25. microraptor says

    As a German I am dumbfounded every time that the US has actual Hitler worshippers as its white power movement ( l suppose the 88 in those band names stands for HH as usual). I always imaginewhite supremacists as nationalists, and that does not compute in light of WWII.

    No it doesn’t, but one of the key things to remember about white supremacists is that being batshit insane is a prerequisite for becoming one. They also have an exceptional reality filter that allows them to believe that any piece of information that contradicts their worldview is part of the Black, Communist, Zionist, Islamic, Atheist, Feminist, ect plot to DESTROY AMERICA!!! and that only they can stop it because THEY KNOW THE TRUTH!!! and aren’t deceived by The Vast Conspiracy of people who aren’t white heterosexual Christian males.

  26. Tyrant al-Kalām says

    However, remember America’s “melting pot” status. The largest self-reported (yeah, not really reliable, but nonetheless) ancestral white ethnic group is German, so many of us are in fact German.

    I know, every time I’m in the US, I meet a bunch of people who, after I reveal my nationality, proudly tell me that they are “German”, and they think it’s great. The first few times I was rather puzzled because we Germans tend to hate ourselves for obvious reasons, so this kind of enthusiasm was unexpected.

    But I still hope the reason why there’s always Nazi week on American TV is not because people think it’s cool!?

    They also have an exceptional reality filter that allows them to believe that any piece of information that contradicts their worldview is part of the Black, Communist, Zionist, Islamic, Atheist, Feminist, ect plot to DESTROY AMERICA!!! and that only they can stop it because THEY KNOW THE TRUTH!!!

    I get the eerie feeling that German Neonazis are less insane than their transatlantic counterparts. For the most part they merely hate the Blacks, Communists, Zionists, Muslims, Atheists and Feminists, and claim that the German empire is still extant.

  27. Matt Penfold says

    I know, every time I’m in the US, I meet a bunch of people who, after I reveal my nationality, proudly tell me that they are “German”, and they think it’s great. The first few times I was rather puzzled because we Germans tend to hate ourselves for obvious reasons, so this kind of enthusiasm was unexpected.

    I have always found it odd that some Americans will claim to be Irish, or Italian, or German when in fact they simply have a connection with those nationalities through their ancestry.

  28. zb24601 says

    He is disappointed because Obama hasn’t kept all of his promises. Well, I am scared that Rmoney WILL keep his promises.

  29. DLC says

    Hmm . . . Listen to Samuel L Jackson, or Clint Eastwood ?
    Wake the Fuck Up!

    Mitt Romney, you have been judged and found lacking.
    You are to be sent down, forthwith.

  30. twincats says

    But I still hope the reason why there’s always Nazi week on American TV…

    What?!? Where? I mean, I’ve heard of shark week, but… Ohhhh, the History channel, right?

  31. Sili says

    But I still hope the reason why there’s always Nazi week on American TV is not because people think it’s cool!?

    Oh. You poor, poor thing.

  32. kayden says

    @20 Lynna, OM

    Cool, I love Pearl Jam. Had to laugh at your post #17. Too funny. But yes, Beck is right that if Romney wins the Elections, it will definitely be a miracle. Romney and Ryan are working hard to make sure that no such miracle happens.

  33. Tyrant al-Kalām says

    Matt Penfold,

    Well I can see how some Americans try to maintain
    some cultural connection to some european place
    where most of their ancestors come from, and like to identify
    with it like some kind of second nationality piggybacking on their Americandom. I think its one of the great strenghts of america as an integrative idea. If you want do become say a true and accepted frenchperson or german while being russion or turk or whatever culturally, that seems virtually impossible to me to accomplish in a generation. Being e.g. a true “German” is still connected to tribal ancestry way too much for my taste. It is a real problem for the many immigrants. While the US with its racism has its own problems in this regard, I find the spirit in which one is able to identify as whatever heritagewise and still be an american on an ideological level, very neat.

    @sili, twincats

    I thought It’s one of the funnier quotes from that sitcom 2 1/2 men. Ymmv