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Jun 30 2012

Pharyngula Podcast #2: The silly things those creationists say

I’ll be starting our second Pharyngula podcast on Google+ in one hour, at 10am Central time. You can look for it on my google+ stream, or wait patiently and I’ll post a link to the Google+ hangout and the youtube live stream somewhere early in the process. So get your webcam and your headset ready if you’d like to join in the conversation about those silly creationist claims.

I’ll also embed the video right here when the recording is all done.


We’ve started. I think these links will work:

The Google+ hangout, if you have a Google+ account.

The YouTube stream, for everyone else.

I think you can leave comments in real time at either place, I’ll try to monitor them and bring up any interesting points people might want to make.

Anybody want to try those and let me know if they’re working? Leave a comment if I need to fix something.


Hey, we sort of got it working. I think the problem was that I have to send invites to a discrete set of individuals, and a lot of people weren’t getting that and couldn’t log in. Next time, we’ll arrange it better ahead of time, and I’ll have a group of 8 or 10 people lined up to participate.

Here’s the video anyway. Ignore the first half hour or so (make that the first 15 minutes — it didn’t take as long as I thought), it’s just me and Russell Glasser floundering as we try to figure out why we’re not making contact.

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  1. 1
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    Neither link is working for me

  2. 2
    reynoldhall

    Same here

  3. 3
    NovaC

    I’ll be there. I’m tearing myself away from projects and a mile long reading list for this. Too good to miss! A bunch of my favorite folks are going to be doing this! How can I refuse? * bouncing(as much as the crazy straw that calls its self my spine will allow) in anticipation!*

  4. 4
    PZ Myers

    Crap. OK, try the “my google+ stream” link. Do you see me there? I just had Mary try it, and there I was, and she was able to join the hangout…but the two links below weren’t working for her, either.

  5. 5
    NovaC

    Aaaaaaaand I can’t get there through the link! *whimpers*

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  7. 7
    tonyinbatavia

    The first link says “Error. This post could not be found.” The second link says “This video is unavailable. Please wait.”

  8. 8
    PZ Myers

    For some reason, Google+ created THREE entries for this one hangout in my stream. I do not understand you, Google.

  9. 9
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    I can’t see a Hangout at the Stream link

  10. 10
    Troy Britain

    Not working here either…

  11. 11
    tonyinbatavia

    Tried the Google+ stream link … it links to the first podcast.

  12. 12
    reynoldhall

    Yeah.

  13. 13
    PZ Myers

    Alright, I’m going to quit and restart, see if that fixes things.

  14. 14
    NovaC

    Thank you!

  15. 15
    Troy Britain

    Hey there’s a “Religious Discussion” on Google+ we could all join! ;)

  16. 16
    PZ Myers

    Dammit. Still not working. Man, this thing is buggy.

  17. 17
    reynoldhall

    You know, in a sick kind of way, I’m actually enjoying this.

  18. 18
    tanoro

    I’m passing the time by checking out who is in PZ’s circles. Some very familiar names in there. David Gorski is in there! :O I didn’t know he was on Google+.

  19. 19
    NovaC

    *clutches stuffed penguin and begins to rock and whimper*

  20. 20
    Robbie

    Troy, Do you think we should go to the Religious Discussion and complain about PZ?

  21. 21
    reynoldhall

    Stuffed penguin? Opus?

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  23. 23
    Troy Britain

    This went much smoother when Dillahunty did it. [d&r]

  24. 24
    lpetrich

    I’m not seeing anything either. :(

    Could it be a problem with access privileges?

  25. 25
    Troy Britain

    Robbie: Maybe we could get them to pray for this hang-out to work.

  26. 26
    tanoro

    I’m not seeing anything on PZ’s recent posts or hangouts except the podcast from Jun 21 and everything before that.

  27. 27
    dysomniak "They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome their hatred!"

    Huh, is the g+ interface super slow for anyone else? I don’t think I’ve used it since they changed it and I have like a half second lag on everything.

  28. 28
    reynoldhall

    Tanoro, that’s all I see too.

  29. 29
    PZ Myers

    Weird. Russell Glasser is on, Mary is on, no one else can see it? Do I have to be in your circles for it to work?

  30. 30
    NovaC

    Minnie!!!! :D
    Actually a good sized Adelie penguin…

  31. 31
    tanoro

    Hmm. I have an idea that may help! Nova, clutch a stuffed octopus instead! :O

  32. 32
    Pyra

    It keeps saying I don’t have permission or it was deleted. :/ I wanted to see.

  33. 33
    NovaC

    Lemme try to add you as a friend and see. With your permission of course.

  34. 34
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    Maybe we have to be in yours?

  35. 35
    tanoro

    Oh, I can see the new hangout now, PZ.

  36. 36
    Robbie

    I see you on G+

  37. 37
    Minnie The Finn, Fluffy Pink Bearer of Loose Morals

    Oooo, now I can see it!

  38. 38
    PZ Myers

    You may be trying to get on a previous attempt. THe current one has a start time of 10:22.

  39. 39
    PZ Myers

    Yeah, tell me your google+ name and I’ll add you to a circle, see if that makes you appear.

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    Pyra

    Oh, the hangout is up, sorry, I am not prepared to be on camera.

  42. 42
    reynoldhall

    Yeah, ok…I can see you guys. My google name is Roger Peritione

  43. 43
    tanoro

    Mine is Christopher Gray, PZ.

  44. 44
    theophontes (恶六六六缓步动物)

    What Kitty said. Perhaps I should be standing with one foot in a bucket of water while I hold the antenna aloft with a broomstick. I’m going back to being a benevolant luddite dictator.

  45. 45
    NovaC

    Nova Casterlin.

  46. 46
    Pyra

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c3qYg1oeMg&feature=plcp

    This is where it came up for me, when I went to pz’s youttube channel.

  47. 47
    theophontes (恶六六六缓步动物)

    Aaaah… Now I can see teh Poopyhead + 1 x Guest

    (Do I need to be invited)

  48. 48
    Minnie The Finn, Fluffy Pink Bearer of Loose Morals

    Tiina Ripatti.

    I’ll settle for watching this time, since my connection is dead slow.

  49. 49
    Ibis3, Let's burn some bridges

    I can see you on YouTube, but comments not available

  50. 50
    apucalypso

    I can get the Youtube stream via a proxy, but not directly from youtube. On youtube it just says video not available…

  51. 51
    Ibis3, Let's burn some bridges

    Okay. Comments available.

  52. 52
    PZ Myers

    Links updated. Try again.

  53. 53
    NovaC

    Can see the stream and comment. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay (Kermit voice). Does pulling up my sketch of an octopus count?

  54. 54
    NovaC

    That was fun! Sorry my mic crapped out. I’ll be shopping for a new one ASAP.

  55. 55
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    So much fun, thanks!

  56. 56
    unclescott

    Good show, looking forward to the next one

  57. 57
    theophontes (恶六六六缓步动物)

    Sorry my mic crapped out.

    We enjoyed the *headdesk* in compensation. :)

  58. 58
    Josh, Official SpokesGay

    Could someone please identify the participants left to right? Part of the setup process next time should include ensuring that people have typed in whatever they need to so they’re identified on screen. Thanks!

  59. 59
    Minnie The Finn, Fluffy Pink Bearer of Loose Morals

    Josh: my thought exactly. PZ and Russell had name tags, I’m sure all participants could create similar if given the instructions how to before the podcast.

  60. 60
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    @Josh:

    I was that blank white spot.

  61. 61
    Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat)

    Er that is, the first blank white spot.

  62. 62
    NovaC

    I was fifth from the left…No mic (crapped out piece of shit) but couldn’t keep my reactions in check. Crossed eyes at some of the examples of stupidity, and all that.

  63. 63
    Minnie The Finn, Fluffy Pink Bearer of Loose Morals

    Both Spawn also watched the whole podcast and enjoyed it enormously. A suggestion from them: if you want to appear anonymously, might be a good idea to use some sort of a fake pic, since it’s quite confusing if there are more than one blank white spots. Spawn #1 suggests ManyCam, a virtual web cam that can display a pic, or maybe your favorite music video (muted, of course) or some such…

  64. 64
    PZ Myers

    Yes, next time we’ll have a pre-defined panel of participants, and I’ll mail all of them instructions on how to set up a label beforehand.

  65. 65
    A. R

    PZ: Have you decided on the time and/or topic of the next podcast?

  66. 66
    namtog

    Greetings,

    I made a account here so I could say how much I liked this video conference.

    Very informative. Do more please.

    Google+ worked well on my end in Chicago Ill.

    Thanks again,
    Namtog

  67. 67
    PZ Myers

    Date is set: Saturday, two weeks from today.

    Time is flexible. Does this hour (10am Central) work for most people? Do I need to shift it up or down? (I can be here as early as 6am, or as late as 11pm).

  68. 68
    Minnie The Finn, Fluffy Pink Bearer of Loose Morals

    May I suggest a topic for the next (or one of the following) podcast?

    WIMMENZ!

  69. 69
    A. R

    10 AM Central is good here (I’m in Eastern, so it’s just before lunch for me)

  70. 70
    namtog

    Greetings,

    PZ Myers wrote;
    “Does this hour (10am Central) work for most people?”

    Works for me. It fits in nicely in front of Saturday MLB.

    Watching my White Sox play the Evil Empire right now.

    Namtog

  71. 71
    PZ Myers

    WIMMINZ? That would be fine with me, as long as we get a majority of wimminz joining in. I don’t want to be part of a bunch of guyz sitting there talking about wimminz.

    I wonder if I could get Melody Hensley to join us, since she’s the Women In Secularism conference organizer…or maybe someone from Secular Woman? Or from Godless Bitches?

  72. 72
    A. R

    PZ why can’t we be like congress and host a sausagefest panel to talk about teh wimminz?

  73. 73
    NateHevens, resident SOOPER-GENIUS... apparently...

    I missed this one because of synagogue, and on July 7 I’m actually reading Torah, so I’ll miss it again if you do it then.

    If you choose a non-Saturday for the next one, however (like Sunday, maybe?) that would be awesome. Keep me updated… :D

    Oh and yes, I am an atheist… but my dad is a Hazzan, and since I’m currently poor and unemployed, I have to live with my parents, so a certain amount of synagogue is expected of me… :(

  74. 74
    NateHevens, resident SOOPER-GENIUS... apparently...

    Actually, if I can get away right after reading Torah, I could probably get to the podcast late… I’ll see…

  75. 75
    Antiochus Epiphanes

    Could someone please identify the participants left to right? Part of the setup process next time should include ensuring that people have typed in whatever they need to so they’re identified on screen. Thanks

    Yeah. We have Katherine, Nova, PZ and Russell. Who are the others?

  76. 76
    NovaC

    And looking back on that Google+ podcast….It’s time to make another hair donation (Why yes, I AM a hair farmer!).

  77. 77
    Troy Britain

    I am the one on the end, right hand side.

  78. 78
    reynoldhall

    I was the fourth from the right…the second blank spot.

  79. 79
    cag

    A couple of days ago on the CBC (Canada) radio, they had an interview with a producer for National Geographics “reality” shows. The thing that really caught my attention was the claim by the producer that the NatGeo channel is 70% owned by Rupert Murdoch, and 30% by NG.

  80. 80
    throwaway

    That ratio makes a lot of sense cag. It’s the exact ratio of science to crap. And it makes me sad to see something like Ghost Hunters or UFO Chasers coming to NGC. TBH I can’t find anything I like on it at the moment. It’s all pseudo-science or docudrama crap, it’s basically going the way of History channel, and that makes me sad. They’re catering to the lowest common denominator and that does a great disservice to the niche viewers who like actual science. The same way Science channel is going… and all the others have gone. Oh well, I guess it’s not big loss, but it just pisses me off because they could have been SOOO much better and they could have educated the masses. Television is the most disappointing invention of the 20th century. Thank Ada for computers!

  81. 81
    ianduckles

    Would someone be so kind as to remind me how to get an audio only feed that I can put on my iPod. Thank you in advance.

  82. 82
    pontussandin

    Hello, first-time commenter from Finland here, what do you think about having a podcast where people discuss the influence of religion in their country/society?

  83. 83
    namtog

    Greetings ianduckles,

    WikiHow is your friend;
    http://www.wikihow.com/Put-Music-from-YouTube-on-Your-iPod

    Namtog

  84. 84
    ianduckles

    @namtog

    Thank you!

  85. 85
    koliedrus

    Holy Shit!

    I’ve just spent the better part of the last five hours with my ears open and my fingers away from the keyboard.

    I’m paying attention. One video leads to another.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi_OsT7frPg

    For some reason, though, now I want to go to TAM to help clean up the mess.

  86. 86
    nonny

    Some good stuff there. The skull with the eyes in its jaw made me laugh. It was interesting to hear not just the creationist’s arguement but also explanations of why they are wrong, from a scientific perspective. I have to admit, I find it hard to visualize populations evolving. I guess it’s because the Adam and Eve story is part of my cultural background, even if I never believed it, somehow the idea of the ‘first man’ and ‘first women’ has stuck around. The fact that species categories are fluid, not rigid, and genes were exchanged between them, is something it took me a while to grasp.

    I like pontussandin’s idea of having people from many different countries in the next one but obviously timezones are difficult to match up.

  87. 87
    ericpaulsen

    Click here for audio only download.

  88. 88
    ianduckles

    @ericpaulsen

    Thank you for the audio only link!

  89. 89
    PZ Myers

    Question for you youtube pros! I want to cut out the first 22 minutes of this thing, with all its dead air. I’ve found youtube.com/editor, I can finagle the widgets to crop the time, but HOW DO I TELL IT TO OVERWRITE THE OLD VIDEO WITH THE CROPPED ONE?

    It only seems to let me create a new copy, which is not what I want.

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