Episode CCLIV: The worst song ever recorded


I don’t want you to play this video, it’s that bad. It’s a song lauding rape.

Perhaps instead of listening to it, you’re better off reading the Manboobz thread about it.

Now talk about something else. Anything.

(Episode CCLIII: Losing my edge.)

Comments

  1. starstuff91 says

    Since this is “thick cut” bacon, I intend to bake it for 10 minutes, flip it, and bake again for 10-15 or so. Sound like a plan to everyone?

    Only if I can have some.

  2. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    Brother Ogvorbis, it sounds like Mennonites to me, but the bonnets on women throw me off a bit.

    The Amish and the Mennonites overlap. Maybe it’s a whole spectrum of sects, I dunno. I do know that some Mennonite women do wear little white caps.
    -

  3. kristinc says

    Benjamin, you don’t need to fool around with flipping it; just bake it till it’s done. In my experience flipping it just encourages it to curl. And 25 minutes may well be overkill, so use your nose while it cooks or check it midway or something.

  4. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    Cicely:

    An there are multiple sects of both, and they all have differing traditions.

  5. chigau (...---...) says

    It been years since I’ve cooked bacon anywhere but in the oven.
    Check it frequently. It may be necessary to flip it.
    I usually do a basket-weave.

  6. Classical Cipher, Murmur Muris, OM says

    Skreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Why didn’t I ever get around to making my stupid blog post about “cunt”?

    Well, I got a room – a bedroom in a private home with an older woman who doesn’t have any remaining family around. It’s really inexpensive for here and I will probably be mostly left to myself. I hope so.

  7. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    Is it a good indicator of a pretentious poop?

    But what if pretentious* is what I was aiming for?

    (Sorry. That should be, “But what if pretentious is that for which I am aiming?”)

    * my most recent commment on the latest Rebecca Watson/MRAsshole thread.

  8. chigau (...---...) says

    Now we’re aiming poop?
    Speaking of poop, the smell produced by an incinerating toilet must be experienced to be believed.
    (neat segue, eh?)

  9. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    Growing old is the pits, but it beats the alternative. One manifestation for me these last few months has been waking up at 3:30-4:30 am instead of 6:00 am, and not being able to get back to sleep. An isolated night I can handle. But, last Thursday was 4:00 am, and this morning it was 3:30 am. A little loss in concentration at the moment, and I’m seeing double.

  10. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    Now we’re aiming poop?

    No, we’re (or I’re) aiming at pretentious.

    Now, I’m aiming for bed.

    G’night.

  11. says

    Is it a good indicator of a pretentious poop?

    What’s the difference between a pretentious poop and an unpretentious poop? :-/

    (That was a rhetorical question. I’m not sure I want to know.)

    =====

    On an entirely unrelated note, I ate a Hershey bar for the first time today. It was nothing to write home about.*

    (*Metaphorically speaking.)

  12. says

    It was nothing to write home about.*

    (*Metaphorically speaking.)

    (I say “metaphorically speaking” because of course I did write home about it, in the form of posting a Facebook status. Some metaphors need updating for the Internet age.)

  13. Ibis3, féministe avec un titre française de fantaisie says

    Doctor Who: Pretty good for a ‘monster’ episode. Quite a lot better than last week’s.

  14. says

    Classical Cipher, conga rats on the new living quarters, sounds like a good place.
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Christian sects!? If I’d know it was spelled that way I’d have become an atheist sooner;-)
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Nerd, welcome to my life. By Thursday I’m a wreck, Friday is the day I save all the stupid little non-thinking jobs that accumulate, and meetings if I have any say about the scheduling.

    Satyrday (it’s a typo, but I’m liking it) I sleep off and on until around 10 or 11, Sunday I do the same. Sunday night I double up on my sleep meds, (which I don’t take over the weekend), to try to regulate me back to the 5 o’clock world.

  15. says

    Every single diet comes down to the same thing: Do you love yourself enough to quit killing yourself?

    The first step in losing weight is acknowledging that you’ve been trying to kill yourself. Every bite of food is a step toward that goal. Somewhere inside, you don’t feel worthwhile. Worth saving. Worth having a life.

    Some of us manage to be successful despite that. The reason is that we desperately want to leave our pasts behind.

    But then there are those moments when the pain catches up to you. Some people do drugs. I do food.

    — Louie Anderson, Goodbye Jumbo… Hello Cruel World

  16. Mattir says

    I have had a wonderful day. A pedicure, a trip to the hardware store, an hour and a half of weedwacking (carefully disguised aerobic exercise!), a bunch of spinning and knitting, and listening to The Essential Leonard Cohen on shuffle the whole time. And because we’ve discussed his wonderfulness on TET at some point, I was often reminded of a variety of Hordelings* and that added a bit of glow. This is a wonderful group of people, and as Bill D said, this TET or last, it’s the place I feel most at home.

    *Yes, I’m talking about you, Caine.

  17. John Morales says

    [tardive]

    chigau @498, ‘rather’ in that sense is meiotic (i.e. an intensifier).

    Is it a good indicator of a pretentious poop?

    Who can say? ;)

    (I use it rather a lot, but not pretentiously)

  18. John Morales says

    Benjamin, Louie Anderson exaggerates, IMO.

    Apropos, how’s your regime going?

    (Gimme good news, please!)

  19. John Morales says

    Reminds me; I recently read a good book (SF) by Richard Morgan, so I borrowed another (“The Steel Remains”) (fantasy, this time), and was amused by a snippet of dialogue:

    “He, uh, he kept calling you a queer.”
    “Yeah.”
    “Well, uh . . .” With an audible sigh, Eril gave it up. “Fucking scumbag, right?”
    “Indeed.”

    (Sums it up)

  20. amblebury says

    Yeah, Benjamin, I think the Anderson take on obesity is a bit extreme, really simplistic, and unkind, frankly.

  21. kristinc says

    Somewhere inside, you don’t feel worthwhile. Worth saving. Worth having a life.

    Because Gawd knows, fat people can never have lives. It’s unpossible.

    Nope, Benjamin. Sorry to interrupt your wallowing, but Louie Anderson seems to be full of hateful garbage.

  22. John Morales says

    Benjamin,

    I ate a pound of bacon in one sitting. What does that tell you?

    Literally, that you just ate 2420 calories.

    The subtext is that you’re down on yourself.

    (I’m not gonna judge you.

    You’re, I think, doing that for both of us, and not too kindly, either)

  23. kristinc says

    And to expand on myself: the reason you struggle with feelings of worthlessness is not because of your fat, Benjamin. Fat merely makes a handy scapegoat. But it’s a lie, a cruel one, for Louie Anderson to be telling people that shedding pounds will make them love themselves, have the lives they want to have, be the people they want to be. It’s the same cruel lie every weight loss program tells.

    You want to lose weight because you think it will improve your personal health situation or make it cheaper to buy clothes or easier to get around or whatever? I don’t have a word to say about that. It’s not my fucking business. But weight loss is not magic. Adding another metric to loathe yourself for failing by is not going to be productive.

    I struggle with untreated depression, including suicidal episodes. I have social anxieties. I’m desperately lonely a lot of the time. I know what self-loathing is. I went on thyroid meds last year and dropped a truly substantial chunk of weight. It just evaporated off me. Suddenly I could wear straight sizes, something I had tried with every ounce of my chubby little fat-accepting heart not to dream about. And that meant I was going to trade in my uniform of black jeans and a tee for a closet full of beautiful clothes! I was going to stop hiding! I was going to go out and make friends! I was going to take risks and really experience life! I was going to be the person I always wished I would be!

    Except that somehow when I shed all that fat I didn’t shed my neuroses or my fears or scars or wounds or weaknesses or incompetences. Strangely enough, when you drop fat you don’t also drop illnesses and personal flaws.

  24. John Morales says

    FWIW, Benjamin, between my two previous responses, I (most reluctantly) did some resistance training here at home.

    This because I’m becoming an old fart, and my decrepitude is accelerating, and however little I do to ameliorate this is better than nothing.

    5 minutes knee-bends (no more than right-angled, don’t want to strain my ageing knee ligaments)
    5 minutes various torso stretches and good-mornings (using a broomstick)

    repeating interleaved 12-rep sets (using strict form) of
    * dumbbell bicep curls (2.5kg, 5kg, 10kg)
    * dumbbell upright shoulder presses (ditto)
    * bench bar tricep presses (5, 10, 15kg)
    * seated bench presses (10, 20, 30, 40 kg)
    * lat pull-downs (20, 30, 40, 50kg) [squatting because my home bench doesn’t allow for full extension otherwise]

    finishing with 20 supine knee-raises, 20 back extensions and 20 stomach curls (all with just body-weight)

    Hot and sweaty now, but I feel mildly virtuous, and it really helps my self-respect.

    (Each time, I tell myself next week I might do two sessions. Each time, I only seem to find time for one)

    And I hate this, and it ain’t easy at all.

  25. amblebury says

    Kristinc – that sounds damn difficult – hugs.

    Benjamin, what Kristinc says has QFT plastered all over it.

    I mentioned a book in another thread, Fat is a Feminist Issue by Suzie Orbach. It’s years old now, but it explains these issues simply, and practically. I highly recommend it.

  26. says

    kristinc:

    Fat merely makes a handy scapegoat. But it’s a lie, a cruel one, for Louie Anderson to be telling people that shedding pounds will make them love themselves, have the lives they want to have, be the people they want to be.

    You have his point precisely backwards.

    He’s not saying “you hate yourself because you’re fat”. He’s saying “you’re fat because you hate yourself”. (Or rather, he’s extrapolating from his own experience: “I was (am?) fat because I hated (hate?) myself.”)

  27. kristinc says

    And you’re not going to stop hating yourself by becoming unfat. Especially if your effort to become unfat becomes one more way to prove to yourself that you can’t succeed.

    Also, whether or not Louie Anderson’s fat was a manifestation of his self-hatred, there are approximately a zillion and one reasons to be fat. And roughly a zillion of those reasons are not “because I hate myself”.

  28. John Morales says

    Benjamin, you’re either not listening to or dismissing kristinc’s claim.

    Here it is again:

    Except that somehow when I shed all that fat I didn’t shed my neuroses or my fears or scars or wounds or weaknesses or incompetences.

  29. John Morales says

    FWIW, I consider anorexia a far worse condition than obesity.

    (One can abstractly admire the iron will and control over their bodies they exhibit, whilst cringing at the damage they do themselves. It cannot be easy to starve yourself to death in a sea of plenty)

  30. amblebury says

    Kristinc’s right.

    And how, for the love of reason,is focusing on 1/ I hate myself therefore I’m fat, or 2/ I’m fat therefore I hate myself, of any practical use? Even if it were the one reason out of a zillion?

    It’s just such a nihilistic, circular reasoning.

  31. John Morales says

    Ah, fuckit. Gotta write the following:

    I’m now feeling like Benjamin might be thinking I’m picking on him, or have a poor opinion about him.

    I want to make it clear: I am not intending to do that.

    (Some friend I am, eh? :| )

  32. says

    Hi all, a summary of the second session of today’s Think Inc conference in Melbourne, with Michael Shermer and Neil deGrasse Tyson (introduced myself this morning, first task of the day), in case anyone is interested !

  33. KG says

    Walton@518,

    “Nothing to tweet about” would presumably indicate something of truly underwhelming insignificance.

  34. says

    Holy fuck, my summary of Think Inc got linked by @DailyHitchens apparently, and I kid you not, 1500 blog hits in the last 20 minutes. 3 days worth of readers. In 20 minutes.

    I’m getting the Jameson out.

  35. Sili says

    “Nothing to tweet about” would presumably indicate something of truly underwhelming insignificance.

    And easier to spell that floccinaucinihilipilificatory.

  36. John Morales says

    Ack. From Furious Purpose (cf #542):

    The most important thing first up, Christopher Hitchens did not show up at the venue from where he was scheduled to talk to the audience at today’s Think Inc event in Melbourne. We were told by the apologetic organisers that his management was also unable to contact him. Now, there may be a million reasons for this, but Hitchens is not one to miss speaking engagements, so one can not help but be more than a little bit worried. I know I am.

    :(

  37. says

    See, this is just useless traffic once more. 3000 or so hits in the last half hour, but one single fucking comment, and that by Franklin Percival. I’d much rather have a meaningful conversation with a couple of people in a pub, than a gazillion drones blindly clicking on links, who don’t care who you are and never come back anyway.

    *sigh*

  38. John Morales says

    Rorschach, what’s to say?

    “Good post there, thanks mate”? :)

    I remind you of when you first started blogging; I reckon you’d have been over the moon with that sort of traffic.

  39. Beatrice, anormalement indécente says

    Reading trough the Sexism is a problem.. thread and I’m only on comment #287. I have a hard time reading Rinus’ comments without just replacing everything with I mean blah blah blah I think blah blah blah my experience blah …… in my head.

  40. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    Beatrice:

    I mean blah blah blah I think blah blah blah my experience blah …… in my head.

    Yep, that’s pretty much Rinus’ stance. I just don’t have the time or the energy to deal with that shit right now.

    Anyway, hello everyone! I feel bad that I haven’t caught up– work and family have been totes hectic. Hugs, love, and chocolate to all!

    Rosh Hashanah is coming up and I’ve been asked to bring a side dish to the big family shindig. Difficulty: no dairy, wheat or nuts, low salt, and it’s gotta be “seasonal”. I think I’m going to make a rutabaga and carrot mash spiced with ground ginger.

    Matt Penfold:
    I just started the Game Set Match trilogy. So far it’s pretty good, even though Bernard Sampson is a bit of a douche. :D

  41. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    Hi. Happy Friday.

    Benjamin, be safe with yourself. I can’t say I understand, but I can sympathize/empathize. For me, it is Cherry Coke (the real stuff) and tobacco, so I do, sort of, understand. Maybe.

    =========

    And a hearty DAMN YOU!!11!! to those who suggested Terry Pratchett’s DiscWorld books. I picked up A Thief of Time at the library and started reading it last night at 11:00pm. I am halfway through and plan on another low-sleep night. Great writing. Great ideas. Great throw-away lines.

    Pratchett comes up with throw away ideas the way Mozart came up with throw away melodies. Some of Mozarts one bar melodies could have been expanded into complete symphonies, and he had five or ten in one piece. Same for Pratchett. Some of the concepts thrown around in this one book would keep a lesser writer going for five books.

    Anyway, damn you to the nether regions of the library for opening my little mind to these time sinks.

    And thank you.

  42. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    Beatrice and Audley:

    Amazingly, Rinus is back. And he appears to back in a positive manner. No, I am not kidding.

    Really.

    No, not kidding.

    I’m really not kidding.

  43. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    Oggie,
    Happy Friday!

    I knew Rinus seemed familiar, but I couldn’t be assed to search for him. He has been around before, yes?

  44. chigau (...---...) says

    The ptarmigan flock outside my tent say:
    prrrr poot poot poot
    waaackk qwaakk waak wak wk
    bloorb
    wakwakwakwak
    kwerrk
    etc.

  45. opposablethumbs, que le pouce enragé mette les pouces says

    It gives me great vicarious enjoyment to think of all the Pratchett pleasure that awaits you, Brother Ogvorbis!

  46. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    I am currently working on a poster for an upcoming event. I just spent 15 minutes trying to remove a blotch on the photo.

    Er, turns out it was on the screen.

    There’s 15 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.

  47. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    I knew Rinus seemed familiar, but I couldn’t be assed to search for him. He has been around before, yes?

    Sorry, Bruce, doesn’t ring a bell, but then, I’m notoriously clueless when it comes to remembering names.

    It gives me great vicarious enjoyment to think of all the Pratchett pleasure that awaits you, Brother Ogvorbis!

    Not to mention sleepless nights.

  48. walton says

    Ogvorbis: Yes, Pratchett is brilliant. In my view, he ranks up there with Oscar Wilde, P.G. Wodehouse and Douglas Adams in the pantheon of funny English writers. And (unlike, say, Wodehouse) he also works a fair amount of philosophy and provocative political satire into his books.

  49. Beatrice, anormalement indécente says

    Not really comparable to Amy Winehouse, but I find her pretty good, Zaz : Je Veux.
    Also, this rendition of Edith Piaf’s Dans Ma Rue.

    Still reading Sexism is a problem... If you people keep from posting for half an hour, I might even finish it soon (#441 now). Not that I’m really complaining. I always learn something new and if nothing else, reading the take down of bad arguments is always fun.

    Brother Ogvorbis,
    I find sudden changes of heart a bit suspicious, but if Rinus sticks to it – great.
    Off to read what he has to say now.

  50. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    I just had a conversation with one of my coworker conservatives. He is upset about the two accidents at airshows and wants the government to step in with regulations and restrictions. I, the wild-eyed liberal, said that the insurance companies will tighten up their requirements for coverage (moving viewing areas further away from the action, better record keeping for airframe and pilot certifications, possibly requiring additional inspections for aerobatic aircraft). In this case, I actually argued for a market solution. Of course, if the insurance companies decide that they will not, under any circumstances, write a policy, then the market has failed and the government would have to step in.

    Pragmatism. How the fuck does that work?

  51. says

    Well, strike me dead. Still 30 blog hits a minute. A minute ! Take that, Myers ! By the way, I saw you on BlogTV with DPR and Aron Ra yesterday, and that new haircut did not convince me at all !

  52. says

    Now that the lifting of the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy is officially underway, gay members of the military are coming out. Some of them are, anyway.

    This is still difficult for LBGT military personnel in Utah. The Salt Lake Tribune covered the story, and posted some very nice photos of a lesbian couple, plus one gay guy who is a marine.

    Naturally, some dunderheaded Utahans have commented below the article, asking why some lesbians feel they have to dress like men, etc. The usual combination of bigotry, ignorance, and religiously-inflected blather.

    However, there are some exceptionally thoughtful posts as well. Like this one:

    I’ve been in 30 years and concur with the need for these rabid religionists to retire or get in in the closet. LG Boykin is another religious menace. LTC Kauzlarich called Pat Tillman “worm dirt” because his family is atheist.

    These religious radicals need to keep their faith private, except when they are at church or if the activity is unofficial and off hours. Prayers and other religious displays of sanctioning institutional religiosity have no place in the military. Take “In God We Trust” off of everything that is associated with the government. “We” don’t all believe in God, much less trust him.

    The chaplain corp should be done away with and be replace with professional psychologists and privately-paid clergy. Mercenary ministers should act as the press do. They can be embedded if they behave. They pay their way and work around the mission.

    My tax dollars should not be used to establish religious services and facilities on military bases or to pay clergy. How is building a church and paying religious ministers not the establishment of religion?

    All this should be done privately using private funds. The military should support providing the conditions whereby a person can exercise their own religion, but not establish or support any specific religious practice or clergy.

  53. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    I find sudden changes of heart a bit suspicious, but if Rinus sticks to it – great.
    Off to read what he has to say now.

    Oh, I do too. But, when I read something encouraging, I want to give a little praise where possible. If it encourages him, and he really does start to grok, maybe I helped a little. If he backtracks to yesterday’s nonsense, I’ve lost bupkis.

  54. Squigit says

    *waltzes in happily after an internet hiatus for a few days*

    *sees sexism thread and number of comments–hesitates briefly and starts reading*

    *SOBS*

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!

  55. walton says

    I just had a conversation with one of my coworker conservatives. He is upset about the two accidents at airshows and wants the government to step in with regulations and restrictions. I, the wild-eyed liberal, said that the insurance companies will tighten up their requirements for coverage (moving viewing areas further away from the action, better record keeping for airframe and pilot certifications, possibly requiring additional inspections for aerobatic aircraft). In this case, I actually argued for a market solution. Of course, if the insurance companies decide that they will not, under any circumstances, write a policy, then the market has failed and the government would have to step in.

    Reminds me of the time I had a Facebook debate with one of my conservative friends… in which he was arguing for taxpayer funding of IVF and other fertility treatments through the NHS, and I was arguing against it. Some people thought we’d conspired to swap positions in order to play a practical joke. :-/

  56. says

    The University of Utah Utes beat the BYU football team 54-10. Where was the mormon god?

    The Salt Lake Tribune posted 78 photos from the game, including close-ups of the fumbles and turnovers. Utah fans posted about 1000 comments below the article …. more than 98 pages of comments.

    I wonder what’s important in Utah, could it be football?
    link

  57. ChasCPeterson says

    Oscar Wilde, P.G. Wodehouse and Douglas Adams in the pantheon of funny English writers.

    Where by “English” I take it you refer to their country of origin rather than the language in which they work. Even so, you forgot Kingsley Amis, whose Lord Jim made me laugh out loud, a lot (LOLAL).

    ***

    In other news, bad evolutionary psychologist* apologizes.

    *no, the phrase is not redundant [tongue-out smiley]

  58. says

    I’m going to embed this one on purpose, because it is so great :

    Unbelievable. That she is dead, I mean. What a terrible loss. Terrible, shocking loss.

  59. walton says

    Where by “English” I take it you refer to their country of origin rather than the language in which they work.

    Yep, I should have specified that. If I’d been including North Americans, it would, of course, have been an unforgivable oversight to forget Mark Twain. (Beyond that, I don’t know much about American literature, so I won’t presume to pontificate further.)

  60. Birger Johansson says

    Miscellaneous food for thought:

    Breaching the blood-brain barrier: Researchers may have solved 100-year-old puzzle
    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-09-breaching-blood-brain-barrier-year-old-puzzle.html

    Cancer ‘smart bomb’ created from a crocus
    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-09-cancer-smart-crocus.html

    Subversive apps help citizens fight state silencing
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128305.800-subversive-apps-help-citizens-fight-state-silencing.html

    Brainy molluscs evolved nervous systems four times
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20925-brainy-molluscs-evolved-nervous-systems-four-times.html

    Dawn surveys Vesta’s dramatic terrain
    http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/09/dawn-surveys-vestas-dramatic-t.html

  61. says

    You want to make this world a better place ? Well, tell me then for a start, why is the unbelievably marvellous, extraordinarily talented and completely unique Amy Winehouse fucking dead ?
    Or maybe that was the question 40 years ago when Janis Joplin died already. I’m just now catching up with Winehouse’s work. And it’s blowing me away to be honest.

  62. says

    Well, they tried to make her go to rehab, but she said “no, no no”.

    I’m sorry.

    Honestly, I don’t know. To me, her most impressive song is “You Know I’m No Good”, in which she sings she can’t help it. Strong, weak and vulnerable at the same time.

    The tragedy is that she seems to have died not just as she was cleaning up her act, but quite possibly because of it. The latest news I read on it was that her ‘binary’ way of drinking (either heavily or not at all) was too much for her heart to take. The likely cause of death is a heart attack. She was sober at the time. Of course, you can probably explain this much better to me than I to you.

    Such a small, promising repertoire she leaves.

  63. Algernon says

    She was really talented. It makes me sad. Especially because I always wanted to do what she does, and never could find the courage to. I know I’m not as talented, I’m not even the same kind of singer (totally different ranges and sounds) but what makes me the most sad is that she really did love singing.

    I wish I had the guts, but it makes me realize how hard it is on people to put themselves out there all the time for what they love. So, from my little cloister, I’m sad that she’s gone for a lot of reasons.

    There are tons of talented singers out there, to be honest. Just like there are tons of beautiful women out there. But people who really love their craft are much more rare. I think she did. In her own fucked up way.

    She also brought back a lot of really amazing music to people who might not have listened to it otherwise.

  64. Mattir says

    Ben, I’m going to post later today a list (from the George Washington University Weight Management Program) of reasons why people are fat. (Hint: self-hate is fairly low down on the list.) Obesity is astonishingly complicated, and includes factors completely or mostly outside of individual control. The physician who started the GW program 30 years ago says that our understanding of obesity is where our understanding of diabetes was 80 years ago.

    I quit drinking in my 20s after several years of very heavy daily drinking. It was a total piece of cake compared to trying to lose 100 pounds. I hung out with sober people, didn’t go to bars, didn’t keep scotch in my apartment. I didn’t have to learn to drink just a little bit because I literally wouldn’t be able to stay alive without it, I didn’t have to go to places with alcohol if I didn’t want to (I can’t even buy rats for our snake without going into a store that sells human junk food!), I didn’t have to learn a boatload of nutrition stuff or find some sort of exercise that I could tolerate, or… (Also, 100 years ago, let alone in the Pleistocene, a pound of bacon was not an easily available, affordable snack food. That should give you some information right there.)

    For anyone who’s interested, one of the psychologists at the GW program has a website with a lot of peer reviewed articles about obesity and weight treatment issues.

    When you repeat simplistic solutions for obesity, you’re not just disrespecting yourself, your disrespecting everyone else trying to deal with this serious and complicated issue. So if you can’t show yourself some compassion, show anonymous internet strangers some compassion (and perhaps lump yourself in there with us).

    Now off to teach spinning. I already had a 90 minute dance with Leonard Cohen and the weedwacker – DaughterSpawn has suggested that for purposes of fitocracy, such activities should be categorized as low impact aerobic dance, moderate intensity, with upper body hand weights.

  65. Algernon says

    One thing I wish, is that while she were alive, people had been more interested in writing about her talent the way they are now that she’s dead. Instead, it seems people were more interested in watching her be crazy and destructive and then laughing about it.

  66. says

    Also (Carthago delenda est) try stand up in the shower, Ben, and imagine all of Pharyngula laughing (at the jokes, not at you).

  67. Rawnaeris says

    /ducks in for a moment/

    I successfully made my first loaf of Pumpkin Spice bread last night! I didn’t burn it, and it came out nice and moist and pumpkin-y.

    And now back to this episode of TET.

  68. says

    Good evening. Sorry I can’t stay long. I’m in between meals.

    I went clothes shopping today. To the ‘Big Man’s’ store. Let me ask you this: Why don’t they just call it ‘Fatsos’?

    What’s this one-size-fits-all shit?

    In Minneapolis, we have a store for big women. It’s called House of Large Sizes. Have you ever seen the women who go in there? There’s a sign on the door that says ‘One woman in store at a time, please.’

    If you think that’s mean, let me tell you about myself for a few minutes.

    I’ve always been fat. When I was born, I weighed sixty pounds. The doctor had to bring a crane to slap my ass.

    They didn’t wash me off. The nurse turned a hose on me.

    Most kids’ first words were ‘Mommy, Daddy’. Not mine. Mine were ‘Seconds, please.’

    I was the first kid on the block voted Most Likely To Become a Group.

    In kindergarten, my brothers and sisters used to roll me to school. At nap time, everyone had a cute little rug. I had a braided nine-by-twelve.

    In first grade, the teacher said, ‘Louie, stay off the jungle gym.’ And as for the teeter-totter, the other kid is still in orbit.

    In second grade, we studied geography. Guess who played the United States? Later to include Canada.

    In third grade, I found paste. You could eat paste. The school had a seven-thousand-dollar budget for paste. And I was the only kid who didn’t go to the bathroom that year.

    In junior high, most kids brought their lunch in a brown bag. Mom brought mine in a station wagon.

    Swimming? I was harpooned nine times.

    In high school, we started dating. You know how everyone has a blind date? Well, mine was blind. She thought she was going out with twins.

    Even tonight, I was sitting outside on the curb, trying to relax. I got a ticket. Last night, I was towed away.

    I’ve always had a problem with food. I went to a hypnotist to figure it out. Afterward, I didn’t eat any less. But I didn’t know it.

    Food just communicates with me. When I walk into a grocery store, I get a twenty-one Twinkie salute. The Ho-Hos jump straight into my cart. Pork chops start doing a chorus line. And when I try to get out of the store, the chocolate cake in the bakery department calls me back: ‘Hey, Louie, where are you going?’

    I know a lot of you are wondering the same thing: ‘Does he know he’s that big?’

    — Louie Anderson, Goodbye Jumbo… Hello Cruel World

  69. chigau (...---...) says

    We once measured then cooked 455g (1 pound) of bacon.
    After water evaporation and fat pour-off we ate 188g (6.6oz) of bacon.

  70. says

    The most important thing first up, Christopher Hitchens did not show up at the venue from where he was scheduled to talk to the audience at today’s Think Inc event in Melbourne. We were told by the apologetic organisers that his management was also unable to contact him. Now, there may be a million reasons for this, but Hitchens is not one to miss speaking engagements, so one can not help but be more than a little bit worried. I know I am.

    Rorschach @542, first off, thanks for the link and for the summary. Much appreciated.

    As for Hitchens, I noticed that Slate recently recycled an old post of his for the “Fighting Words” segment. This one was from 2008: http://www.slate.com/id/2191912/

    Hitchens did write a good piece for their September 5th issue: http://www.slate.com/id/2303013/

  71. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    We once measured then cooked 455g (1 pound) of bacon.
    After water evaporation and fat pour-off we ate 188g (6.6oz) of bacon.

    Which is one reason why, if given a choice, I will choose bacon over sausage every time. Bacon is actually the lower fat food. Sausage retains more of the fat.

    =======

    And I really hate my teeth.

    The abscessed tooth (which the dentist removed nine days ago (and it is helling nicely, by the way)) was right next to a tooth with a twenty-year-old crown. Which just came off today. Luckily, the dentist (just talked to him) will cement it back on for free, but I actually thought that I was going to go for a week without going in there.

  72. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    In regards to the dish I’m going to bring to the in-laws Rosh Hashanah seder: I just found out that a rutabaga and carrot mash is actually a traditional Norwegian dish. My MIL is going to love that.

  73. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    (which the dentist removed nine days ago (and it is helling nicely, by the way))

    All Hail Tpyos! All Hail Tpyos!

    That should, of course, be ‘healing nicely’, not ‘helling nicely.’

  74. chigau (...---...) says

    I’m seeing an ad that seems to be a man feeding a screaming child to a sandworm.
    It’s really about how eating Snickers™ is Healthy™.

  75. says

    As I’m playing some Bad Religion (“American Jesus”, to be exact), I realise that this music is older to my son than Woodstock or even Made in Japan is to me.

    I feel old.

    (Also, recently, a cousin of my wife wearing a Guns n’ Roses T-shirt. She wasn’t even born when I was listening to that.)

  76. says

    Good evening

    So the Pirate Queen went to the fair on Friday, which was after all better suited for the weather, the tricorn held the little drizzle off well.
    It was a wonderful afternoon/evening/night, except for the idiot who tried to push me off the autobahn on the way home.

    Ben Geiger
    Well, I met the love of my life when I was fat. I became slim afterwards. I didn’t become a more happy or better person.

    Fun fact: The “pirates party” just made it into the Berlin parliament. The libertarials got kicked out.

  77. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    As I’m playing some Bad Religion (“American Jesus”, to be exact), I realise that this music is older to my son than Woodstock or even Made in Japan is to me.

    I had a similar revelation a few months ago. The Dead Kennedy’s and Devo are older to my children than the Beatles were to me. Wow.

  78. says

    How old are you, brother Ogvorbis? (I’m 37, about a week older than Josh — I share my birthday (but not the year) with Madonna).

  79. chigau (...---...) says

    My cut-off for “Boy, are you young!” used to be being born after the Beatles broke up.
    Now that applies to their parents.

  80. Algernon says

    The “pirates party” just made it into the Berlin parliament. The libertarials got kicked out.

    Ha! I’ve actually been following that.

  81. says

    The “pirates party” just made it into the Berlin parliament. The libertarials got kicked out.

    And? Are you taking a seat?

  82. says

    Some things I forgot:

    -Saw a very, very stupid T-shirt at the fair: “God, doesn’t play a role in my life, he’s the director”
    Poor person, to have 0 own life.
    I was a bit surprised. Usually you see the opposite sentiment expressed at the “medieval fairs” in Germany.

    -A friend who was with us (actually the son in law of my best friend) is a cook in a youth hostel (in Germany youth hostels cater for full and mainly for school classes on school trips). By now he’s versatile in cooking for vegetarians, people with allergies and muslims (apart from being a great cook for “normal” food, too). But what he found hard was Ramadan. It was hard for him to see the kids not eat and drink all day, in summer, in the heat, tried to make them drink at least some water and made sure that they had a fridge full of stuff for once the sun had settled.
    It’s the idiocity of religion in a nutshell.

  83. Rey Fox says

    The University of Utah Utes beat the BYU football team 54-10. Where was the mormon god?

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA LOVE IT

    …er, excuse me.

  84. starstuff91 says

    My cat chews on things and plays fetch. I might as well have just gotten a dog, because he acts like one.

  85. chigau (...---...) says

    My cat fetched and did tricks when she was a kitten.
    Now she sleeps. and sometimes rolls over.
    When the square of sunshine in which she is sleeping moves, she yells at me.
    I’ve tried to explain Earth’s rotation to her but I don’t think she buys it.

  86. starstuff91 says

    chigau, I too find that cats don’t quite grasp astronomy. My cat doesn’t even understand that he shouldn’t run head-first into walls.

  87. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    How old are you, brother Ogvorbis? (I’m 37, about a week older than Josh — I share my birthday (but not the year) with Madonna).

    Damn little kids. Whippersnappers.

    My age is rather easy to figure. I turned one year old just after the first Super Bowl (which wasn’t actually the Super Bowl, yet). So I just find out what the number was for the last Super Bowl and that’s how old I am (I need to figure it this way as it seems like it changes every year or so, so having a National Event with the same number helps me.). All of which means that I am XLV years old.

  88. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    Now she sleeps. and sometimes rolls over.
    When the square of sunshine in which she is sleeping moves, she yells at me.

    Congratulations. You are the proud owner of a feline sundial, with audible hour alerts.

  89. kristinc says

    Beatrice @550: Actally Rins makes WAY more sense if yo read him like that.

    Benjamin @558: Yup. Hateful garbage it is.

  90. starstuff91 says

    @ Benjamin

    Haha, no. But mine is very vocal. He’ll meow angrily at me if he wants something. And if anyone picks him up, he screams.

  91. says

    Wow, is it just me, or is season 6 part 2 of Doctor Who in a roll? The God Complex was another great episode. And this season keep deconstructing the poor Doctor, which I think is great.

  92. amblebury says

    Benjamin @558: Yup. Hateful garbage it is.

    Hateful – himself and everyone else, dumb, no practical use.

    I was hoping Mattir would come in – looking forward to the info.

  93. amblebury says

    Well, that was a fail on my first attempt at trying to put something as a quote.

    I’m going to buy pea-vine mulch and tend to my new ferns. That, I can do.

  94. Therrin says

    And since more people have watched it now, The God Complex got really good at the end (<3 Amelia). It's about damn time the Doctor moved on with companions, although I doubt he'll stick the flounce.

  95. Beatrice, anormalement indécente says

    Therrin,

    Are you spoiling Doctor Who?! (there was a Rubik’s cube in that episode with scary dolls, but I don’t remember one in The girl who waited and I haven’t watched the latest episode yet)

  96. Katrina, radicales féministes athées says

    Benjamin:

    I knew there was a reason I never liked Louis Anderson. And FWIW, the reason I’m fat isn’t because I hate myself. It’s because I love food. And wine. And I’m lazy.

    Rorschach:

    I’m sorry you’re not getting any comments. I noticed that the FB Hitchens page was getting a lot of comments about your post. (62 as I type this.)

  97. First Approximation says

    Wow, is it just me, or is season 6 part 2 of Doctor Who in a roll?

    I didn’t think the previous two episodes were all that great. This was good though. From the preview, next week’s looks interesting *spoiler warning* where we see Craig, from The Lodger of last season, again *end spoiler alert*.

    Also, who do guys think was in the Doctor’s room? (I have my suspicions, but I want hear others first.)

  98. starstuff91 says

    Also, who do guys think was in the Doctor’s room? (I have my suspicions, but I want hear others first.)

    I thought it might have been the Doctor himself.

  99. says

    Here’s an interesting site: Obama Foodorama
    The Blog Of Record About White House Food Initiatives, From Policy To Pie

    The post I linked to is about the WH home brews. Linked from the RH sidebar are WH recipes, I’m not much of a foodie, but they looked pretty good.

  100. says

    Most Mormon churches leaders lobby against sponsoring Girl Scouts, while they strongly support Boy Scouts. (And somewhat oddly support Boy Scouts, turning the mormon priesthood into one of the pillars of learning, and assigning leaders who turn out to be a danger to Scouts.)

    One of the journalists at Slate, Amanda Marcotte, has put together an article that tells us why and how conservative, religious organizations have demonized the Girl Scouts.

    …More than a decade ago, Kathryn Jean Lopez of the National Review wrote: “The Girl Scouts’ leaders hope to make their youthful charges the shock troops of an ongoing feminist revolution.” A number of prominent voices on the Christian right went on to join her in sounding an alarm about the organization, accusing it of religious and sexual subversion. Cathy Ruse of the Family Research Council alleged that the organization is “pushing promiscuous sex on the girls.” Bob Knight, while working for Concerned Women for America, accused the Girl Scouts of drifting into “radical feminism,” and while the word “witchcraft” has yet to be trotted out, popular right wing website WorldNetDaily has accused the Girl Scouts of promoting “lesbianism” and “paganism.”…

    Here’s World Nut Daily’s “Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism. Communists, radical feminists cited as role models for troops.” http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=97977#ixzz1YKheCVv8

    World Nut Daily and other regressive organizations are urging parents to enroll their daughters in American Heritage Girls instead: “”Girls in AHG learn about their God-given gifts, their identity in Christ and the importance of seeking His will for their life.”

    More from Slate:

    For years, such suspicions swirled in a disorganized cloud, until in the spring of 2010, they coalesced around an urban legend that the Girl Scouts were working with Planned Parenthood to secretly distribute sex manuals to young girls. Wendy Wright, also of CWA, was one of those who promoted the fast-spreading tale, writing on CWA’s website that “the group hosted a ‘no adults allowed’ meeting at the United Nations (U.N.) where a graphic sex guide was distributed.” The Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute was also instrumental in promoting the story, insinuating that the Girl Scouts were using a Planned Parenthood brochure to promote casual sex and to encourage HIV-positive people to conceal their status from sex partners….

    … It’s telling that Christian right critics avoid dealing directly with the group’s “go girl!” brand of empowerment, choosing instead to promote lurid tall tales. Maybe their tactic amounts to a tacit acknowledgement of just how mainstream the Girl Scouts’ feminism is, and just how far from the mainstream the anti-feminist views of the Scouts’ Christian right critics have become. The Girl Scouts focus on building self-esteem, teaching girls to care for their health, and promoting educational opportunities that help the girls’ economic futures. Its Christian right critics cling to a tradition where women exist primarily to serve. If this tradition conflicts with the Girl Scout mission to help girls “develop their full individual potential,” well, no wonder Bob Knight, the former Concerned Women for America anti-feminist organizer, had to spin that mission as “narcissistic devotion to self.”

  101. Philip Legge says

    Also, who do guys think was in the Doctor’s room? (I have my suspicions, but I want hear others first.)

    I thought it might have been the Doctor himself.

    My partner had a different idea who it might have been.

    (Don’t roll your mouse over that bit of text if you don’t want to know – pro tip: using the <abbr title=""> code in the “Allowed Tags” is generally a good way to hide text from general view.)

  102. Sili says

    In case any East-Sweedish Pharyngulistas are around:

    I’ll be in Stockholm 5-8 October. I’m tied up for a little work, but some of the evenings will be free. I may just have signed up for dinner at the Beer and Whisky Festival, though.

    Any recommendations? Some people are trying to arrange jazz and/or Dramaten, but I’m more partial to classical, myself.

  103. First Approximation says

    I thought it might have been the Doctor himself.

    One of my suspicions, but it would seem too much like the Pandorica thing.

    the “Allowed Tags” is generally a good way to hide text from general view

    Thanks for the tip.

    My partner had a different idea who it might have been.

    I thought this too. And another one.

  104. starstuff91 says

    (Don’t roll your mouse over that bit of text if you don’t want to know – pro tip: using the code in the “Allowed Tags” is generally a good way to hide text from general view.)

    Did I do something wrong? Because I can’t see anything when I put my cursor over that text.

  105. Therrin says

    Beatrice,

    The Rubik’s cube is just a hypothesis, but showing up in more than one episode is usually a sign. I’m not going off anything beyond the episodes themselves. That he actually interacts with it shows the evolution of the series. Bad Wolf was so wonderfully subtle, when it flashed back through it’s appearances, I saw that I’d missed at least half of them.

    Also, who do guys think was in the Doctor’s room?

    River Song. That or every companion he’s ever had (since he fears for their wellbeing while traveling with him).

    (I think she’s well enough known not to be a spoiler at this point, however a note to First Approximation.)

  106. Beatrice, anormalement indécente says

    I just noticed a Donate button on the right, under the quick link to the endless thread. Did I miss something or was PZ just being subtle about this?

  107. Beatrice, anormalement indécente says

    Therrin,

    Yes, things like Bad Wolf make watching reruns even more entertaining. I know it really wasn’t much of a spoiler, I’ll just watch out for the Rubik’s cube when I watch the episode tomorrow… er, today actually.

  108. Therrin says

    Sorry Beatrice, I missed the last bit on #620 where you said you hadn’t seen this ep yet. I don’t think I said anything too revealing, but I’ll be more careful in the future.

  109. David Marjanović, OM says

    I promise I’ll catch up sometime. The sooner the bug that slows down writing in the comment window is fixed, the earlier I’ll be able to…

    I managed to find a flight under DKK 5000,-.

    And then while I was contemplating, it sold.

    :(

    Keep trying!!!

    And don’t forget about your passport! First thing in the morning today!!!1!

    I’ll bring a chocolate-containing specialty…

  110. Therrin says

    The sooner the bug that slows down writing in the comment window is fixed, the earlier I’ll be able to…

    Your compositions are actually done IN the comment box? Talk about living dangerously.

  111. Beatrice, anormalement indécente says

    Therrin,

    No problem. I’ve been rather careless with spoilers on past occasions, so it wouldn’t be fair of me to complain when others discuss previous episodes. And you didn’t really reveal anything. Honestly, after yours and others’ comments I’m even more intrigued, but I’m trying to convince myself that I shouldn’t watch it now because I’ll go to bed soon. Any moment now.

  112. Philip Legge says

    The problem with current series spoilers is really only confined to time-shifters watching on delay, or Aussie/NZ viewers who aren’t torrenting and thus obliged to wait a week. It does mean that I’ve been reticent to lurk reading TET on Sundays until I’ve gotten hold of the download!

    I did have another reason for hiding stuff in my earlier post (#626) – again, selective disclosure.

    Here’s a general template people can cut and paste for doing spoilers – the one I included earlier “broke” as soon as starstuff91 copied it (#629), because it lacked content and a closing tag.

    Code for cut and paste:
    <abbr title="Hidden text goes here!">Visible text goes here!</abbr>
    Result:
    Visible text goes here!

  113. Therrin says

    Looking for advice on a new phone. My current Samsung clamshell is over six years old, and a loose connection is forcing me to upgrade. I know basically nothing about the differences between the models various companies make nowadays. I do like the idea of being able to read websites, so I’m leaning toward an android of some sort, but then there are like 98237648932 service providers to choose from after that. Experiences/advice appreciated.

  114. starstuff91 says

    @ Therrin
    This is a topic that I know things about! Woo!
    First things first, what service providers are available to you? I’m assuming you want a smart phone, and if that assumption is correct, your best bet will be an Android phone.

  115. says

    <farnsworth>Good news, everyone!</farnsworth>

    You all know I finished my book a while back, and it has vanished into the bowels fo Knopf. I have recently heard from both my agent and my editor who are enthusiastic and happy with how it turned out. My agent is going to be peddling it at the Frankfurt Book Fair in a few weeks, so maybe it’ll soon be available out there in the non-Yankee world.

    Publication date will be sometime this spring. I expect you all to buy a copy. No, many copies! And burn them in an orgy of contempt to inspire the Christians to grab every copy in their local bookstores for their bonfires!

  116. says

    @1st approximation
    So it’s just me. :)Personally, I feel like part 1 was a bit weak (the pirate and flesh episodes weren’t very good), but part 2 is so far really awesome. Part 2, if it can keep it up, could be my favorite run of this show.

  117. Rey Fox says

    According to that post from a week or so ago, it’s The Blank Atheist. Or perhaps The Underscore Atheist. Bit idiosyncratic, but hey, I’m not a writey type.

  118. Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity says

    Conga rats, PZ!

    I had no idea you were writing a book. You should have let us know.

  119. says

    @Therrin
    Personally, I didn’t think the Bad Wolf thing was very subtle at all. And not only that, when it was revealed what it was, I felt very underwhelmed, especially because I didn’t think its intended purpose made any sense. Plus, it wasn’t much of a clue at all. I wonder if you could explain to me why it did make sense.

    For me, the Mr. Saxon plot was the best out of all RTD plots. I really liked that one.

  120. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    PZ,
    Woo hoo! *dance dance dance!*

    (I’m going to be very disappointed if it doesn’t turn out to be a compilation of squid porn.)

  121. Therrin says

    PZ, I’ll only buy it if one of my words got picked for the title. -.-

    starstuff91, my lame answer to your question on would be, “Most of them?” I’m in the Portland, Oregon, area. Yes, I’m starting out with looking at the Android smartphones.

  122. says

    Morning ! Just down from my Amy Winehouse trip from last night, I switch on the TV, and on CNN there is Amy’s dad talking to Piers Morgan. Here we go again !

  123. amblebury says

    Wowsers, PZ!

    Maybe I’ll be able to get your tentacle-print on a copy in Melbourne next year.

  124. starstuff91 says

    starstuff91, my lame answer to your question on would be, “Most of them?” I’m in the Portland, Oregon, area. Yes, I’m starting out with looking at the Android smartphones.

    Ok, so do you know what provider you would prefer? I would suggest you pick on of the big three because they have better networks and better phones. I’m with sprint and I’m pretty happy, but I know that a lot of people really like Verizon. I personally don’t like AT&T at all (I left them a year and a half ago to go with sprint.).

  125. Therrin says

    ibyea,

    Not sure that I can explain why she chose Bad Wolf of all things. Maybe it was a means of creating a subtle thread that wouldn’t overtly change parts of their timeline (which would have caused other issues). Since it wasn’t possible for them to be followed into each TARDIS landing spot, it had to have originated from the other direction (ie. personal-time-line future). Each instance was a warning, that something bad was happening there (or in the case of the park bench, where she’d just come from, if she didn’t return, hence the much more blatant messaging).

    And then it showed up again in Turn Left.

    No disagreement on the Saxon thread. “Don’t you think she looks tired?” Awesome blowback.

  126. Therrin says

    No real preference on providers. I’ve been happy with the Verizon FiOS service I get, but that’s another department. There’s something about updates that concerned me, so if that’s tied to provider I’d prefer one that stayed current. Don’t really know anything about the different skins. I’m competent enough that I’d probably do the root hack thing if it improved the interface.

  127. PaulG says

    Roeshach:

    Holy fuck, my summary of Think Inc got linked by @DailyHitchens apparently, and I kid you not, 1500 blog hits in the last 20 minutes. 3 days worth of readers. In 20 minutes.

    I’m getting the Jameson out.

    err…congrats. On getting a few hits for your blog from gossip about whether or not a cancer patient has died.

    Kudos.

  128. starstuff91 says

    @ Therrin

    AT&T doesn’t seem to stay up to date very well. If you’re going to be using a very large amount of data, you might want to go with Sprint, because they’re the only ones out of the big three that have unlimited plans left.

    As for skins: I find that HTC is pretty decent (I have an Evo 4G). I hear that the new HTC skin is pretty great. A lot of people like Motorolla and some people like Samsung (but their phones are very hit or miss, hardware wise). Rooting your phone wouldn’t be too much of a problem (although difficulty can differ slightly from phone to phone).

    What are you looking for from a phone, hardware wise? Would you want 4G capability (which you might want to check on first, to see what providers offer 4G in your area). Do you care if it’s duel core? Do you want a really good camera? etc…

  129. ImaginesABeach says

    I followed Lynna’s link to the worldnutdaily story about Girl Scouts, and as a Girl Scout leader, I have just one question – if I’m expected to turn these girls into man-hating lesbian feminists, shouldn’t there be training materials for the leaders? My knowledge of how to be a man-hating lesbian is a bit sketchy and entirely theoretical.

  130. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    Therrin:

    There’s something about updates that concerned me, so if that’s tied to provider I’d prefer one that stayed current.

    I’ve got a Droid 2 with Verizon. The OS just updated a couple of weeks ago– I’m pissed about it*– and I’ve heard that the other providers (T Mobile and Sprint) didn’t force the update.

    So, there’s that, I guess.

    *The changes that were made don’t make much sense from a user stand-point and now everything runs really slowly.

  131. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    PaulG:

    Kudos.

    Wow. What a douchey thing to say.

    So, Rorschach shouldn’t be amazed at his blog traffic? He shouldn’t care? What?

  132. says

    Online gamers crack AIDS enzyme puzzle

    Online gamers have achieved a feat beyond the realm of Second Life or Dungeons and Dragons: they have deciphered the structure of an enzyme of an AIDS-like virus that had thwarted scientists for a decade.

    The exploit is published on Sunday in the journal Nature Structural & Molecular Biology, where — exceptionally in scientific publishing — both gamers and researchers are honoured as co-authors.
    […]
    This is where Foldit comes in.

    Developed in 2008 by the University of Washington, it is a fun-for-purpose video game in which gamers, divided into competing groups, compete to unfold chains of amino acids — the building blocks of proteins — using a set of online tools.

    To the astonishment of the scientists, the gamers produced an accurate model of the enzyme in just three weeks.

  133. starstuff91 says

    *The changes that were made don’t make much sense from a user stand-point and now everything runs really slowly.

    The part of the update that slowed your phone down might have been the new version of Motorolla Blur, rather than the updated Android OS. Sometimes the overlays conflict with Android system and cause problems. Either way, that really sucks that they force the update on you. You could root your phone if you really don’t like it.

  134. starstuff91 says

    Does any other android user here have the most recent version of the Android Market? I got it recently and it seems really, really slow. It’s not my connection either because I can use any other app that requires network connection or the internet and they run just fine.

  135. PaulG says

    Dr Audley Z Darkheart:

    Rorschach shouldn’t be amazed at his blog traffic

    I can cut and paste unrepresentative bits of comments, too!

    Yay us!

  136. brokenSoldier, OM says

    Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says:

    Wow. What a douchey thing to say.

    :/ (<—– this is my 'in total agreement' face)

    PaulG wins the asshat of the day medal for that one.

  137. Therrin says

    See that’s where I’m not sure, especially on things like processor. No idea how much I’d use the network, probably not a lot besides text-heavy website reading. I don’t care that much about photo quality, if I want a good picture I’ll use a SLR.

  138. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    starstuff:
    Jesus, I don’t even know what the hell Motorola Blur is. *shakes fist!*

    Everyone I know who updated* has dealt with a whole host of problems since then. I’ve been lucky to get away with very minor complaints (my phone locks up frequently, runs slowly, and I don’t like the changes to the web browser).

    I really liked my Droid at first, but now, I’m not so sure I’d get another one. Here’s hoping that in another couple of years there will be another smart phone choice out there.

    *The older models didn’t force the update.

  139. brokenSoldier, OM says

    PaulG:

    I can cut and paste unrepresentative bits of comments, too!

    Except her one-word quote and subesquent commentary was quite representative of the douchebaggery of your entire comment, so your complaint rings hollow.

  140. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    Paul G:
    The quote wasn’t representative of what you had to say? No matter that someone could just fucking scroll up and take a gander at your full doucheyness. But never mind, I’ll quote your full text:

    err…congrats. On getting a few hits for your blog from gossip about whether or not a cancer patient has died.

    Kudos.

    And I stand by what I said. That was mean-spirited for no fucking reason.

    Brokensoldier is right: you deserve The Asshat of the Day Award.

    Kudos!

  141. starstuff91 says

    @ Therrin:

    Well, I guess it comes down to if you want the most up to date phone or not. If you don’t mind being a little behind the times, you might be able to save some money. If you don’t care about unlimited data, I’d suggest Verizon. Sprint is still a good choice though. I can’t bring myself to recommend AT&T, though. They have pretty bad coverage (lots of dropped calls) and their selection of smart phones has never been very good.

    If you do come to a decision on service provider soon, you might want to wait a bit to buy a phone and sign a contract. A new batch of phones is coming out in a few months. There are so pretty good improvements, if you’re willing to wait.

    @ Dr. Audley:

    If it’s only a problem with Droid/Motorolla owners, it might be a problem with Blur. I’ve had both Android 2.2 and 2.3, and they both worked great for me. If you don’t like your Droid, you could get a different smart phone. There are lots of great phones that aren’t by Motorolla. HTC, Samsung, and LG are all pretty good smart phone makers (but be careful with Samsung, and LG is just starting to really get into the smart phone market).

  142. cicely, Inadvertent Phytocidal Maniac says

    Also, who do guys think was in the Doctor’s room? (I have my suspicions, but I want hear others first.)

    I thought it might have been the Doctor himself.

    That’s what I thought, first. My second thought was that …., largely because of what he did at the episode’s end.

    Book!
    *confetti*
    -

  143. starstuff91 says

    Sorry about my smart phone ranting. I’m really interested in smart phones. Reading up on the latest information about smart phones is a hobby of mine. I was really excited when Therrin brought it up.

  144. PaulG says

    I stand by my original comment. To me, Rorshach’s comments read as gloating about his increased traffic gained off the back of a post about Hitchens’s health status.

  145. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    Starstuff:
    Don’t be sorry! It’s useful information.

    At this point, I’m not sure if my problem is a hardware or software type of problem. I’m quick to blame the OS ‘cos my problems occurred after the update.

    The issues that I’m having don’t appear to be linked to Motorola Blur, since it seems that my phone doesn’t support it (at least according to Motorola’s website). *sigh*

  146. brokenSoldier, OM says

    PaulG says:

    I stand by my original comment. To me, Rorshach’s comments read as gloating about his increased traffic gained off the back of a post about Hitchens’s health status.

    Petty (and pointless) envy is the only possible reason that you would mistake Rorshach’s obvious surprised elation for “gloating.” So you may very well be standing by your original comment – that still doesn’t change the fact that the massive shadow being thrown off by its towering asshattery is still blocking you out.

  147. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    Gloating? Really, Paul? Have you ever actually read one of Rorschach’s comments before that one?

    I’m more than willing to give Rorschach the benefit of the doubt*– he’s never struck me as someone who would gloat over something as terrible as Hitchen’s death.

    So, kudos to you for assuming the worst about everyone, even in pretty tame comments.

    *The way I read it was in a tone of amazement (which is totes acceptable), but maybe that’s just me.

  148. starstuff91 says

    @ Dr. Audley

    You could take your phone to the Verizon store. They’ll usually take a look at it for free and they might be able to figure it out. If it’s just a software problem, they’ll fix it and it shouldn’t cost anything.

  149. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    starstuff:
    Visiting the Verizon store is next on my to-do list. ;)

    Hopefully I can get this all sorted out. I really really liked my phone.

  150. PaulG says

    Have you ever actually read one of Rorschach’s comments before that one?

    Nope. But even if I had, argument from authority isn’t something I subscribe to. “You’re only as good as your most recent action” is more my kind of thing.

  151. Therrin says

    A long time ago I thought I wouldn’t care for touch screens, but now I’d be most interested in display space (for viewing webpages), so if a keyboard would take room from that, I’d prefer without.

    I don’t need the cutting edge whatever, remember my current phone is 6.5 years old. That’s like older than PZ in tech years.

  152. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls says

    PaulG doesn’t get it, won’t get, and doesn’t care about the truth, just his own impression he is right.

    Rorschach does admire Hitchens. He just started a blog a few months ago, and was amazed at a sudden increase in traffic today. Nothing but a comment or two, so I would hardly call it gloating.

  153. starstuff91 says

    @ Therrin

    A physical keyboard wouldn’t take space away from the screen because most of them are sliding keyboards. However, most keyboards on good smart phones aren’t very good (although I’ve heard rumors that the Droid 3 on Verizon will have a good one). Most people with phones with physical keyboards find that they don’t use the physical keyboard and prefer the virtual keyboard. The benefit of virtual keyboards is customizability. You can change the kind of keyboard easily, just by downloading an app. My favorite keyboard available is SwiftKey x, because it has great error correction and can learn from you as you type so it can predict what words you want to use.

  154. Dr. Audley Z. Darkheart OM, purveyor of candy and lies says

    Paul G:

    Nope.

    *eyeroll* Of course not.

    Let me tell you how much I looooooooove n00bs that roll up in here and make unfounded assumptions.

    But even if I had, argument from authority isn’t something I subscribe to.

    LOL, wut?

    You don’t know what “argument from authority” actually means, do you?

    “You’re only as good as your most recent action” is more my kind of thing.

    Maybe you should learn to read for comprehension before you follow through with this particular personal philosophy.

    Also, this doesn’t ever allow for regular human screw ups*. Clearly, you’re not perfect all the time (you’ve been douchey without cause on at least one other thread that I’ve seen today), so why would you even expect that of other people?

    Oh right, you’re an ass.

    Anyway, I’ve decided that “You’re only as good as your most recent action” applies perfectly to my interaction with you so far, so I’m writing you off as someone who is incapable of comprehending what normal conversation entails.

    Kudos!

    *Once again, I don’t think Rorschach has anything to apologize for.

  155. says

    PaulG: You were banned under your multiple aliases at the old site, which puts you in a precarious position here. Keep acting like an asshole, you will be gone.