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Dec 27 2011

Be afraid; be very afraid!

Prime Minister David Cameron has said the UK is a Christian country ‘and we should not be afraid to say so’ in a speech in Oxford on the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible. And he staunchly defended the role of religion in politics and said the Bible in particular was crucial to British values.

Whilst the rise of politicised religion allows a prime minister in one of the most secular societies (socially speaking) to spout such nonesense, we know better. Religion and politics has always meant nothing more than witch burnings and inquisitions.

That which is celebrated and considered British values today is the result of an enlightenment and a battle against Christianity. It’s a gain secured despite Christianity not because of it.

And Cameron is in good company. Look at the type who get ‘excited’ over his promotion of the role of religion and politics:

Muslim Council of Britain member and imam from Leicester, Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra says: ‘It’s very seldom I get excited by what our prime minister has to say and this is one of those times. As Muslims we also believe in the Bible. We believe in the teachings of Jesus. Not only that, but in the teachings of all the biblical prophets, including Moses in the Torah. So this is something that we feel is absolutely in tune with the Muslim thinking. We have to base our behaviour according to scripture, God’s revealed message.

‘For a long time Muslims have been trying to express this idea, that for us as Muslims Islam is not just a religion but a way of life. To divorce politics from religion is not something we are able to do, we cannot leave our religion at home or in the mosques, it comes with us wherever we go. So it’s refreshing to hear the prime minister say Christians should do the same. I agree Britain is the best country for Muslims to live in, at least in Europe.’

Enough said.

(Via Anne Marie Waters)

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  1. 1
    mal099

    “We cannot avoid the need to re-state what ought to be, but seemingly are not, well understood principles regulating the relationship of religion and law in our society.

    We live in this country in a democratic and pluralistic society, in a secular state not a theocracy.

    Although historically this country is part of the Christian West, and although it has an established church which is Christian, there have been enormous changes in the social and religious life of our country over the last century.

    Our society is now pluralistic and largely secular. We sit as secular judges serving a multi-cultural community of many faiths. The laws and usages of the realm do not include Christianity, in whatever form.

    The aphorism that “Christianity is part of the common law of England” is mere rhetoric.

    Religion – whatever the particular believer’s faith – is no doubt something to be encouraged but it is not the business of government or of the secular courts, though the courts will, of course, pay every respect and give great weight to the individual’s religious principles.

    The present dispute is merely one of a number of recent cases where the tension has been between an individual’s Christian beliefs and discrimination law as enacted by Parliament.”

    -Lord Justice Munby and Mr Justice Beatson, two High Court Judges, as part of their judgement in the case of the Pentecostal couple in March 2011

  2. 2
    mrianabrinson

    You can have a way of life without imposing it through government channels. I was going to use vegetarianism as an example, but I almost forgot, we have our extremists, who behave almost like it were a religion, too. I’m not sure what would be a good example, but I don’t think one’s way of life needs to be in the government. Government NEEDS to stay secular.

  3. 3
    Cindy

    Even the Queen’s Xmas speech was very heavy handed this year. Very bang it over your head with no acknowledgement of anything but xtianity. I swear in past years she has been more inclusive.

    1. 3.1
      Martyn Hughes

      You’re absolutely right there.

      The members of the cult of ‘ex-sanity’ are feeling the pressure to respond to the rise of political Islam.

      Unfortunately for us, that means closing ranks and making christianity more political (as if it never was).

  4. 4
    ...

    I was about to type something along the lines of “Come off it – how much trouble can Cameron seriously be?” Then I scrolled down.

    I’m going to pour myself a large drink now. Well done on getting this story out.

  5. 5
    Nahla

    could some one explain to me why is this happening here in Europe?!!…I absolutely find it strange… and scary… as women coming from the middle Eastern and North African region!!! this country has been through decades of war with church during the medieval period, it scarified intellectuals, scientists, women and whoever stood on its way!.. it was a lost for the human kind not just Europe!!!!

    leave the midievels, people are NOW dying in the Middle east and Africa because of the dump sharia laws randomly killing whoever they dont like, homosexuals, apostates, women…etc

    ….

    I did actualy type some thing, but then just deleted it…I dont need to bring my anger here…guess would get a drink as well!!!

    1. 5.1
      mrianabrinson

      I agree and often fear that if such mentality, be it Muslim extremism or Fundamngelical Xians, takes over in Europe and the U.S. there will be another Dark Age, much like the Medieval period.

  6. 6
    Bahman

    First of all, dorood bar shoma.

    Secondly, why do you defend so many taazis and European barbarians? These savages were living in caves when we were inventing their culture and civilization. You think these European dogs care about you? Englestan destroyed Iran in 1953, these people hate all Iranians. They are two-faced rats on par with the taazis. The English are just as enemy to us as the fucking torks.Iran will only be free when we exterminate the taazis and nuke Mecca.

    Fuck these taazis. All Iranians think you are great but you are such an arab parast it is really disgusting. Also you defend that taazi torke khar woman from being stoned. She is not ethnic Persian she is Azari/Arab. Fuck her.

    marg bar englestan
    marg bar arabestan

    DOROOOOOD BAR IRANZAMIN

    1. 6.1
      Maryam Namazie

      For those who think that ‘minorities’ can’t be racists and fascists – well here is a wondeful example.

      1. Martyn Hughes

        Indeed!

      2. mrianabrinson

        I agree, but I still say I hear a Klingon speaking (growling actually) in my head as I read that crap. I assure you, it isn’t Worf I hear speaking either.

        1. Martyn Hughes

          LOL

    2. 6.2
      mrianabrinson

      Gee, speak and act like a Klingon much lately? I don’t know your language, but it reads like Klingon.

      1. SAWells

        Looks like Farsi/Persian, from context; “marg bar” means “death to” IIRC, so apparently down with both England and with Arabs and yay Iran. Such a helpful contribution.

        1. mrianabrinson

          Death to whoever. Sounds even more Klingon in translation.

    3. 6.3
      Ophelia Benson

      Yikes.

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