Rush Limbaugh as The Penguin explains the Bat-Conspiracy against Romney »« TAM’s harassment policy was secret. Why?

Stoplight: “Marriage license and registration please?”

Spot the logical fallacy in this Christian anti-gay-marriage spot. It should be glaringly obvious.

I just don’t see why they can’t argue against gay marriage on its own merits, and instead have to postulate a totalitarian state where gays having the right to marry results in direct, overt persecution of Christians.

No, wait, sorry, I see exactly why. Because there are no arguments against gay marriage that pertain to the merits.

Comments

  1. besomyka says

    I don’t understand their argument. They think that by saying people should be treated equally, that some how that means voicing an alternate opinion could be made illegal?

    I don’t see how they get from point A to point B. Or maybe I can’t even divine what their point is?

  2. says

    besomyka:

    I don’t see how they get from point A to point B. Or maybe I can’t even divine what their point is?

    Their point is to incite fear of oppression.

    They twist the, “In the eyes of the law” bit to mean, “In the eyes of the thought police.” In fact, all President Obama meant was exactly what he said: in the eyes of the law, same-sex couples should be able to marry.

    They basically twist the real point, which is, “Sorry, Fundagelicals, it’s not OK for you to continue oppressing other folks,” to mean, “Halp! Halp! I’m being oppressed!”

    How do they get from point A to point B? With the help of their Advanced Quantum Non-Sequitur Machine.

  3. sambarge says

    Why doesn’t their stupidity hurt them as much as it hurts me?

    Also, Jason, perhaps you can post a “STUPID” trigger-warning?

  4. Steve says

    It’s actually gay people who have to carry their marriage license (and other legal documents) around with them all the time. Straight people are always believed if they say they’re married.

  5. John Horstman says

    Ooh, the logical fallacy is Non Sequitur (arresting people who disagree with the legal interpretation that marriage is a contract between any two consenting adults, barring familial relationship closer than a certain degree that varies by jurisdiction, does not follow from legally recognizing those marriages), and it occurs at 01:16! Do I win anything?

  6. baal says

    I was half expecting the clip to veer into you need a het marriage to prove good citizenship and good citizenship to be granted the privilege of driving a car.

    Instead, they were projecting their totalitarianism.

    Also, love that throw away line they have on the UN-HRC (@1.30). Total fantasy.

  7. John Horstman says

    @nigelTheBold: Comedy gold! Keep riffing!

    @sambarge: I agree; the stupid triggers me, causing me to *headdesk*, which is doing physical harm.

  8. says

    sambarge:

    Nigel @ 9 – Princess Bride reference for the win.

    Not to talk technique*, but I debated with myself whether or not to leave the struck-out iocane powder bit, and just trust my audience. In the end, I opted for self-containment over subtlety.

    And, thanks.

    Also, too, thanks to you, John Horstman @ 12.

     

    * Except I am, obviously.

  9. Brownian says

    I don’t understand the problem.

    Don’t the fundies want to be persecuted? Jesus promised them earthly persecution would earn them two-for-one coupons in heaven, or something like that. It’s in the beatitudes. Matthew 5:10. Jesus specifically praised persecution of Christians while never once mentioning homosexuality at all.

    So this doomsday scenario of theirs is perfectly A-OK in Jesus’ eyes. I can think of no better way of showing respect for the beliefs of Christians than to follow them. So shove them around, spit on them, and generally treat them like dirt. It’s what their god wants.

  10. pwillow1 says

    Any time you see one of these videos with comments and ratings disabled, you know it’s gonna be a doozy with all sorts of errors in logic.

  11. smrnda says

    Part of the issue is that when it comes to issues like ‘how to deal with homosexuals’, Christians are often unwilling to engage in the polite neutrality that they themselves would expect from someone else. The idea that people might be gay, accept themselves and get into relationships without being reminded every ten seconds that ‘some people think homosexuality is a sin!’ is just unacceptable to them.

    There might also be some kind of end-times fantasy at work, where even the slightest hint at a loss of dominance is a key to the end of the world. I’ve talked with Christians who seem to see conspiracies behind everything meant to ensure fairness and equality.

  12. Woof says

    It’s the goddam-that’s-fucked-up fallacy.

    Or perhaps the focus-on-your-own-damn-family fallacy.

  13. says

    Someone at a pub threw a mug of beer over my daughter & her legally married wife as they were walking by on the street. She was shocked because that sort of thing is uncommon here. Now I can say, “How very Christian of them.”

    John H., you need either a micro pillow strapped to your forehead or a big pillow beside the computer….

  14. says

    Markita Lynda:

    Someone at a pub threw a mug of beer over my daughter & her legally married wife as they were walking by on the street. She was shocked because that sort of thing is uncommon here. Now I can say, “How very Christian of them.”

    Yeah. That’s just about right.

    This kind of shit pisses me off. What the fuck is the point of freedom if you can’t exercise it? I mean, almost all these fuckers talk about freedom as if it meant something really fucking personal. But when it comes down to it, they get pissed when you color your hair blue, let alone when you marry someone you really love.

    Fuck. This.

    Or maybe I’ve just had one or four too many beers.

  15. F says

    besomyka:

    It is the major fear of those who oppress others, that one day they will be overthrown and enslaved in turn. Which frequently happens simply because they refuse to be reasonable for so long.

    While no revolution here will have Teh Ghey running about the streets beheading Christians, this is their fear and their fantasy. So simple equal rights for any queer folk of any lovely flavor (even those who themselves are Christians) will be regarded the as the same as if they, the TrueChristians™, were abused and oppressed.

  16. rtmillic says

    As if this stupid “eyes of the law argument” has never been used to oppose the expansion of other rights.

    In the eyes of the law, black and white people are treated equally. So I will be arrested if I try to treat them otherwise! Woe is me, I am being oppressed!

  17. Salmo says

    My second thought was that quoting your opponent’s reasonable statements is a terrible argument method. My first thought was MOVE THE FUCKING MICROPHONE.

  18. says

    @Kevin: or in the Netherlands. But that doesn’t matter. The US is exceptional, after all, so why would they have to look at how other countries do things?

  19. longstreet63 says

    These folks show their authoritarian instincts (along with their stupidity) by treating “Law” as if it was some kind of rule by decree rather than enacted legislation.
    To be fair, it seems many police feel this way, too, but what this video is trying to suggest is that, the Prsident having made an offhand statement, that statement has legal force to allow the notoriously gay-friendly police (sarcasm warning!) to demand documents unrelated to the issue (which is only legal against Latinos, apparently) and then apply penalties if those documents are not…I dunno, in order, I guess.
    I mean, is this supposed fine for being Not-Gay-Married, for Being-Straight-Married or simply for driving without havaing a marriage license in possession?
    I realize these folks do not acknowledge the Constitution has any force, but this is all based on the idea that there aren’t actually any laws at all, just arbitrary decrees from whatever authority figure you happen to run into.
    It’s so tough to be a persecuted majority when no one actually persecutes you. But at least you can try and make them persecute you back.

  20. says

    The now defunct company large hi-tech company that I no longer work for provided health benefits for employee’s life-partners, defined at the discretion of the employee – no marriage required, and same-sex couples were included. A fellow employee filed a complaint with the HR department, on the basis that the policy was harassment, since it was at odds with his personal beliefs to say that same-sex relationships have equivalent status to Christian Holy Matrimony (TM).

  21. im says

    Wow. That didn’t even make sense. The only vaguely logical explanation is that the police officer was trolling for people to arrest for speaking out against gay mairrage rights? Then what did anything else…. Wouldn’t they just send cops to the churches with big aresting-people vans?

    It’s like the realized that outlawing straight marriage is obviously not going to happen (which is what a lot of people seem to anticipate) but they didn’t want to be all ‘Look at these depraved gay homos’ so they just served up a plate of WTF.

    The worst part is that they are not actually stupid.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

You may use these HTML tags and attributes: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>