Written by my wife, Jodi. Her account didn’t get migrated for some reason.
Wow, just wow.
I’m quoting the whole post here since it’s fairly short and I want to preserve it in the case that it gets removed. Clicky to read.
Sunday, 2 January, 2011
Atheism and sexual self-contradiction
I don’t mean to pick on this Lousy Canuck, I just kind of randomly came across his blog while seeing what the atheists were up to these days. But I found a good launch pad for discussion concerning atheism’s basis for morality. Justin writes in this post here that “… we should all just have sex the way we want with the types of people we want and *enjoy* it, because enjoying it makes it awesome.” But in an earlier post he writes concerning pedophilia that “… we have empathy for other human beings, and we understand that as children sexual advances would empirically harm if not destroy a child’s psychological state, it seems obvious that we’d endeavour to protect these children from these acts with or without some deity’s say-so.”
How does the atheist square this circle? Now, I don’t mean to suggest that the Lousy Canuck, Justin, supports pedophilia, but rather that his embrace of atheism does not comport with his rejection of pedophilia. If, as Justin says, we should all just have sex the way we want with the types of people we want and enjoy it, then why shouldn’t people have sex with children? On the basis of the Christian worldview, we can make sense of our rejection of pedophilia, as we believe in universal, invariant laws of morality based upon God’s character. But if you’re an atheist, how do you account for universal, invariant laws of morality – concerning sexuality, for example?
Perhaps Justin would say that the sex has to be consensual. Agreed. But why? Says who? Or why should the atheist care about “a child’s psychological state?” To what universal and unchanging standard does he appeal to make his case? Or, why for the atheist is pedophilia wrong even if the child consents to it? If atheism is true, and when you die and I die that’s the end and everything is forgotten because you’re dead and everyone else will die and that will be their end, then why should anyone care about children? With what part of what Justin says would a pedophile disagree: “… we should all just have sex the way we want with the types of people we want and *enjoy* it, because enjoying it makes it awesome.”? Reading it in that light makes me sick, but this is where atheism takes you, dear friends.
Posted by Peter @ 10:27 PM
I’ve honestly never read something taken so out of context before. How did he even get to the ‘just enjoy it’ line without realising it was a female writing. Had he realised that, it wouldn’t have been a stretch to figure out that
Justin Jason and I are two different people and were thus not talking about the same thing at all in our two separate posts that he links.
Gah. Really? Really?? I can’t even get my head around this, don’t people know how to READ? I certainly can’t bring myself to address it seriously since Peter clearly didn’t take the time to even try to understand what my post was about. If you want to be taken seriously, maybe you should try being more serious about your research.
Jason Justin posted a comment already to Peter’s blog that covers everything.
Jason Thibeault said…
a) My name is Jason.
b) the sex-positive post was written by my wife Jodi.
c) Her intention in writing it is to counter a horrible meme that says that you shouldn’t be satisfied with your partner unless they have a huge penis or gigantic pendulous breasts.
d) Atheists dislike the idea of pedophilia because children are vulnerable, and it is in human nature to protect vulnerable members of our species. They are not sexually mature enough to make an informed consenting decision, and therefore they are not “consenting adults”, and therefore do not count as someone you can “have sex with and enjoy it because sex is fun”. It has nothing to do with objective morality, because all morality is subjective. Just look at all the commandments you’re ignoring in the old testament because they’re supposedly not applicable any more. That is the very definition of subjectivity.
e) You really ought to stop pointing out motes in other people’s eyes when theists have logs in their own. There are more important things to be outraged about than atheists claiming sex should be good while at the same time saying sex with kids is bad — such as the rampant pedophilia going on in the Catholic (and now Protestant) churches.
I’m probably not coming back here. If you want to continue this discussion, take it to my blog. I consider the link there and accusation that I support pedophilia to be a hit-and-run, so I’m okay with making a hit-and-run in return.
6 January, 2011 10:17 AM