The feverishly fundering Friday open thread


Well I don’t know about where you are, but here in Manchester this week it’s been hotter than a gusset in a chorus line. The tar between the cobbles has been bubbling on the streets, the whippets have been refusing to whip and some of us have even removed our flat caps.

I’m told that today London has suddenly gone all thunderbolt and lightning, very very frightening, me.

Gallleo. Gallleo. Gallleo Figaro.

I’m jealous.

How’s things in your corner of the world?

And what has been catching your interest?

Comments

  1. mildlymagnificent says

    The Glasgow Games?

    Looks like good fun for all. Much less of the overhyped self-importance of the Olympics. Much more casual and friendly. Or is that just the view of an outsider who’s never been to any of these big events?

  2. Ally Fogg says

    Yeah, I have a soft spot. Plan to watch some of the Sevens today, that should be good,.

    Yesterday I found myself watching a table tennis match between a Scotsman and someone from Tanzania. I’m no expert, but I have a feeling neither were they.

    I liked it last time when the Cook Islands turned up with a team to play Rugby Sevens and the back four also doubled up as their relay team. It all reminds me a bit of school sports day.

  3. mildlymagnificent says

    I think there are always little heartwarming moments in the Commonwealth Games that happen hardly at all in the Olympics.

    Once a “cycling” team from one of the Pacific Island countries (I think) turned up in Australia – probably Brisbane – and they’d never even seen a velodrome or a proper racing bike. So everyone rushed around, chipped in some cash and other goodies and put in a bit of hasty coaching so they could actually compete on something better than their creaky old ride-to-school bikes.

  4. marduk says

    The refusal of the spreadsheet story to die. Amidst the outrage, nobody has apparently noticed that this is exactly what the modern counsellor or therapist would tell everyone to do. Bullying, food, alcohol, panic attacks, whatever it is, keep a diary, show your loved one.

    I know we aren’t supposed to like his work now but I still think this film provides all one ever has to know about how relationships really work.

  5. lelapaletute says

    Marduk, surely you are having a laugh. You reckon a therapist would recommend, as a solution to sexual incompatibility, to pester the reluctant partner almost daily, keep a record of their ‘excuses’ (AKA ‘reasons’) for refusing sex in the form of a spreadsheet (this is not a ‘diary’, it’s a log of complaints), send it to your partner by email while they are out of town and in the middle of an important work thing, and then refuse to discuss it (or anything else) with them (this is not ‘sharing’)?

    No, no, no. This guy is a first class douche-canoe. Unhappy with the amount of sex you’re having with your partner? Talk to them about it like a reasonable human being. Hear their side, explain yours. Still unhappy? Leave. Don’t get all resentful and obsessive compulsive and then throw an emotionally constipated tantrum. This is passive aggressive entitlement of the first water.

    In other news, the London thunder has been AMAZING. Like the End of Days. Exciting!

  6. Ally Fogg says

    Yeah. I’m with Lela on this one.

    What a counsellor might do is:

    If the wife was concerned about her own lack of libido, keep a diary of what she’d been doing that day, what her mood and state of mind was at the time, what her physical state was at the time, how she felt about her husband at the time etc etc etc.

    If the husband was concerned about his wife’s lack of sexual interest him, he might be encouraged to keep a diary of what he had done that day to make her feel loved and sexy, what he’d done to make himself desirable etc etc.

    Or if it was a relationships counsellor, they might have been encouraged to do all of those kinds of things together, co-operatively.

    In other words, counsellors and therapists encourage people to use diaries to monitor and adapt their own behaviour, not that of their partners.

    Whatever motivated him (I suspect it might have been a consscious or unconscious bridge-burner, for what it’s worth) the guy comes across as a narcissistic, manipulative wankstain.

  7. marduk says

    @lelapaletute

    He isn’t pestering her “almost daily”, look at the spreadsheet.
    See, this is exactly why he kept it, you’ve proved the point. Anyhow, this is widely discussed elsewhere.

    I stand by what I said. Keep a diary, bring it to your next appointment.
    The majority of sexual disorders are diagnosed exclusively through diaries actually.

  8. marduk says

    Honestly, I think he has done nothing wrong. Everyone says talk to her, do you understand the spreadsheet is a catalogue of someone refusing to talk to him?

    I also notice nobody has anything to say about someone who’d publish private correspondence on the internet in an attempt to shame someone else. Nothing manipulative or narcissistic there, no sir.

  9. Gilgamecha42 says

    marduk: Yeah, but how else are they going to shame him? It’s not like they could have had an ADULT conversation. Haha. That would be ridiculous.

  10. marduk says

    Gilgamecha42

    I find the assumptions behind all this sexist beyond belief.

    If this had been gender flipped the natural assumption would be that it was the product of an extended period of attempts at discussion, a reluctance to accept that there was a problem etc etc. Naturally you’d send it to someone out of town because they get angry and defensive whenever you try to raise the issue.

    Have a look at Mumsnet Relationships sometime, this would be considered ultra-mild behaviour, so long as a woman was doing it of course.

    Because its a guy, the most charitable assumption on display is that he is suffering from severe mental illness.

  11. Gerard O says

    For those not interested in the Empire Games there’s some interesting sport elsewhere:
    The 3rd cricket Test between England and India starts tomorrow, while Sri Lanka are on top against South Africa. If you have an interest in Australian football (AFL), Hawthorn came from 23 points down to beat the Sydney Swans.

  12. lelapaletute says

    Okay, Marduk. Firstly, it averages at a request for sex (some successful) every 1.5 days (roughly) over 6 weeks. Even assuming she was only on her period for 5 days within that time (anywhere between 3-14 is totally plausible) that is a lot of pestering when he is already aware she is off sex.

    Further. If SHE has concerns about her sexual function, then it is HER who would be keeping the diary, not him. He does not have a sexual disorder, he has a wife who doesn’t want to fuck him as much as he wants to fuck her. This is definitely a problem for him, but not one in need of a diagnosis.

    The spreadsheet is not a catalogue of someone refusing to talk to him, it is a catalogue of someone refusing to have sex with him, and offering explanations as to why (something which she is not in any way obliged to do, “not in the mood” being perfectly acceptable to most normal people).

    Finally, yes, putting it on the internet is pretty childish and not what I’d have done. But that pales into insignificance beside the bullying behaviour she has made public. Why should he be ‘shamed’ by her making it public if he has, as you say, ‘done nothing wrong’?

  13. Anton Mates says

    lelapaletute,

    But that pales into insignificance beside the bullying behaviour she has made public. Why should he be ‘shamed’ by her making it public if he has, as you say, ‘done nothing wrong’?

    I agree that he’s a bully, but people can very easily be shamed by posting private info about them, even if they’ve done nothing wrong. There are facts about most of us that we wouldn’t want an angry loved one to post on the internet, and “I desperately want to bang my wife but she’s not very interested” is probably one of them.

    That said, didn’t she post anonymously? I don’t think he can be terribly shamed if this can’t be traced back to him–unless he has a habit of making angry spreadsheets about things and so all his friends will immediately know who he is, I guess.

  14. Gilgamecha42 says

    Lele:

    “Why should he be ‘shamed’ by her making it public if he has, as you say, ‘done nothing wrong’?”

    You’re joking, right? It doesn’t matter if he was objectively not wrong by any standards. What matters is if the social justice warriors on Twitter, Tumblr and reddit thinks he was not wrong, social justice feminists in particular, and if he’s convicted in the court of public opinion they’re not going to let that go. You honestly think they’re going to let this go?

    Bullying behaviour? Please. Childish, yes. Whiny, absolutely. But bullying? They needed to have an adult conversation about their sex life. Not go about shaming one another.

  15. lelapaletute says

    I did say that it wasn’t acceptable to post it on social media. Not saying that’s OK. Just saying it’s not as bad as what he did in the first place. And as Anton points out, it’s anonymously posted, so no-one knows it’s him. And yes, there are lots of things about our private lives we’d rather people didn’t know, but partners need people to talk to about the problems they are having with their SO – more usually friends, or family. I think the idea that total secrecy about what goes on between spouses is an essential part of ‘loyalty’ is the bedrock of abusive relationships. OK, this is a lot different to ringing up her best friend to cry about what he’s done, or telling her mum – but the idea that when he does something like this, and then refuses dialogue about it, she should just put up and shut up in case she ‘shames’ him seems very muddle-headed to me.

    And it bloody well is bullying behaviour.

  16. lelapaletute says

    Also, this business about him being ‘convicted’ on reddit etc – what does that matter to him when nobody knows who he is?? This kind of person who’d make a spreadsheet like this clearly is not going to be concerned with judgments people make on him through the lens of feminism, is he?

  17. marduk says

    lelapaletute

    I still can’t see what is supposed to be wrong with it.

    The case against is based on several sexist assumptions (which includes the idea that men only experience sex as the rutting of animals and nothing to do with affection or love) I think are false that wouldn’t be made if it were a woman, and then the problem is that is perhaps unkind. But you’ve now made this now about obligation as the level at which we can judge things, in which case being unkind is a-ok, you can oblige someone else to be nice to you, you can’t oblige them to talk to you, you can’t oblige them to do anything.

    And I don’t agree with Ally earlier, no such principle exists. One thing we know about Coital Diaries is that they tend to record more sexual events than people do from memory. If you’ve got two people who differ in their view of their sex life, it would seem quite reasonable to ask them to record it, and that actually does happen. The growth of CBT has been such that it feels like everyone is diarising and worksheeting constantly. The suggestion that this is inherently ‘creepy’ is wrong.

  18. lelapaletute says

    Err, Marduk, I don’t know who you’re arguing with here. Never said it would be OK thing to do if it was a woman doing it. And never said it was creepy, just pathetic and bullying. Where, precisely, did I say any such thing?

    Not, by the way, the keeping of the spreadsheet in and of itself – if that made him feel better/cathartic/more in control, then fine, fill your boots. What sucks is throwing it in her face and then refusing to talk about it. Also, labelling her reasons not to have sex as ‘excuses’, thus invalidating her feelings and showing total contempt for her right to simply not feel like sex whenever he does.

    I would just like to point out, I think it is perfectly acceptable for him to be unhappy with the amount of sex he’s getting, and I totally acknowledge that there is probably a lot more to it for him than just physical release – as with most people, sex is probably important to his feelings of imtimacy/appreciation regarding his partner. Not saying he should just put up and shut up with a sexless marriage. I’m saying that THIS PARTICULAR WAY OF DEALING WITH IT was pathetic, bullying and immature.

  19. Jacob Schmidt says

    Everyone says talk to her, do you understand the spreadsheet is a catalogue of someone refusing to talk to him?

    It catalogues someone refusing to have sex with him; nowhere is there anything about talking.

    I also notice nobody has anything to say about someone who’d publish private correspondence on the internet in an attempt to shame someone else. Nothing manipulative or narcissistic there, no sir.

    Manipulative? Maybe. Narcissistic? No.

    If you’ve got two people who differ in their view of their sex life, it would seem quite reasonable to ask them to record it, and that actually does happen.

    Indeed. But an individual doing it on his own, without the knowledge of is wife, only to then use that against his wife while implying that he wouldn’t miss her since she wasn’t fucking him hardly falls under or really anywhere near the umbrella you describe.

    I just finnished reading: “The Metropolitan Man”

    Excellent read. Thanks, sheaf.

  20. Adiabat says

    Has anyone else here seen that twitter story going round about the gang of adult Feminist SJWs doxxing, threatening to stab, and sexually propositioning a 13 year old boy for saying that comedians should be able to tell jokes about anything?

    Turns out one of the people sexually propositioning the boy (asked to touch his penis) was a fellow writer of Ally’s at the Guardian. Another one for Yewtree maybe?

    I won’t link as I’m not sure if Ally approves of links to sites which doxx the account holders of abusers on twitter (though the Guardian writer used their twitter account with their own name so it wouldn’t really be doxxing). But if you google ‘bigotwatcher’ you should find the wordpress site with the details.

  21. Carnation says

    I had to Google “SJW” – saw the definition and decided to pursue the story no further.

  22. Carnation says

    Adiabat (24): You’re most welcome. Wouldn’t want to encourage you now, would we?

    * hands Adiabat an AVfM memorial coin *

    There you go wee man, now off you go.

  23. says

    carnation

    I had to Google “SJW” – saw the definition and decided to pursue the story no further.

    Honestly, yu did not know that term? Speak volumes about how little you know abut people with opinions different from your own.

  24. Adiabat says

    Carnation (25): I read your post – then I had a bite of sandwich. I decided to make this post.

    Riveting stuff. Perhaps you should be a writer?

    Sheaf (26): Carnation doesn’t know anything, and is incapable of original thought; he just parrots whatever he’s read Ally or Futrelle say.

  25. Carnation says

    @ Sheaf

    “Honestly, yu did not know that term?”

    I don’t know if Yu did or didn’t know the term. But I quickly ascertained that it’s a stupid term, used by stupid people. Speaking of whom…

    @ Adiabat

    “… he just parrots whatever he’s read Ally or Futrelle say.”

    Dude, please reconstruct that. And the entire thought mechanism that lives in your head but looks like an MRA blog.

  26. Adiabat says

    Carnation (28): And you’re “an expert” on MRA’s and know what their blogs look like, yet for some reason has never come across the term ‘SJW’ before now…

    Yet again you’re contradicting yourself, and showing everyone just how much of a moron you are.

  27. Ally Fogg says

    Adiabat (22)

    I followed a lot of that at the time. A few details missing from your post and the blog you mention.

    The first is that the ‘doxxing’ that you refer to consisted only of someone following links from the guys own Twitter feed to his connected Facebook page, both under the same name. I don’t really count that as doxxing.

    Secondly, the blog fails to note that the kid was replying to the tweets as they went along saying things like “nope, still not offended.” “Nope, I don’t find that threatening.”

    Thirdly, the ‘Guardian writer’ you say talked about touching his penis did no such thing, the tweet was directed at someone else. He was clearly joking with one of his mates

    Next, the blog doesn’t mention that one of the people who responded to his initial tweets and (ha) “coincidentally” the only woman, was subjected to several days of being barraged by graphic rape threats and death threats from the massed ranks of 4Chan or Reddit, most of which utterly eclipsed the nastiness of the original tweets.

    Finally, far from being ‘Feminist SJW types’ I don’t think any of those involved are involved in recognised feminist / social justice circles. They’re a bunch of hipster twats from Buzzfeed, to the best of my knowledge.

    It was one of those sagas that just makes me say “oh internet, please.” The only person who comes out of it with any credit is the 13 year old kid, who handled himself with dignity and honesty, unlike everyone else.

    So, in conclusion, do I approve of making nasty, threatening, bullying ‘jokes’ to kids, even when they’ve argued that there should be no limits to humour and free speech? No, I don’t.

    Do I think there are any lessons to be learned? Yes. The internet is awash with dickheads.

    Move along now.

  28. Carnation says

    @ Adiabat.

    I haven’t claimed to be “an expert” on MRA blogs. It takes no level of expertise to understand the minutiae of the embittered and the deluded.

    Good try, kiddo. I’m on the internet and I’m a bit of a dickhead, only to those whose dickheadness actually harms others, liek Adiabat. I’m a harmless dickhead to harful dickheads.

  29. Adiabat says

    Ally (*): Well, I wasn’t intending to go over everything. Like you I’ve followed it and the Guardian writer was just a new aspect of it I read, so decided to bring it up on the open thread.

    1. Yeah, not technically doxxing, but also not okay. I still find it a bit weird to pull pictures of a child off his facebook page.

    2. Yeah, the kids a credit. But, of course, just because he wasn’t offended doesn’t mean that the behaviour was okay and in no way lessens its unacceptability.

    3. Hmm, you may be right. The original tweet has been deleted, and the kid was one of the people it was directed at. It isn’t clear who he was directly replying to but why copy the kid in at all?

    4. A bully was in turn bullied by the bigger kids, can’t say I’m going to shed a tear. I also don’t think it was coincidental: her post to the kid, directly talking about his penis, in detail, was possibly the worst of the responses he got. Reverse the genders, would you have any sympathy for an adult man who went into such detail to a girl?

    5.

    Finally, far from being ‘Feminist SJW types’ I don’t think any of those involved are involved in recognised feminist / social justice circles. They’re a bunch of hipster twats from Buzzfeed, to the best of my knowledge.

    You say that as though the two categories are mutually exclusive. If you wanted to disqualify ‘hipster twats’ from being ‘feminist SJW’ you would barely have any “real” feminist social justice types left. Did you never see Noah Brands ‘fedora pics’ on SWATM, and have you never seen pictures of your fellow bloggers on FTB or fellow writers at the Guardian with their “quirky” haircuts/glasses etc**? Trying to be “quirky” all the time is a Hipster thing to do.

    And while an old, and religious, concept the very term ‘Social Justice’ in its contemporary use is just the latest term for a vague set of political views that were previously described by the falling-out-of-fashion term ‘progressive’. Previous to that the were called something else. Try and find an article on, say, the Huffington Post about “Social Justice” that’s more than a few years old. Do the same for the Guardian and see articles trail off as you go back just a few years. Give it a few years and anyone who goes on about how they are “for Social Justice” will barely use the term and it will be replaced by something else. What else do you call people who chase around the latest ‘cool’ term to describe their views other than ‘Hipsters’?

    So I think yours is a ‘No True Scotsman’ argument.

    * Any reason why we’ve ditched comment numbers?

    ** http://i.guim.co.uk/w-140/h-140/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/1/1404239004275/Jess-Zimmerman.jpg who recently wrote http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/30/twitter-diversity-silicon-valley-offices.

    Just one quickly found example.

    Carnation: You’ve made a circular argument. The only way to assess whether it takes no level of expertise to understand them would be to read them, which you haven’t done otherwise you will have come across common terms such as SJW.

    Your assertion, every assertion you’ve ever made on this blog about MRA’s (which is nearly every thread as you talk about them obsessively), is based on nothing and should be dismissed as worthless. But I think most of us already knew that.

  30. Carnation says

    @ Adiabat

    “Trying to be “quirky” all the time is a Hipster thing to do.”

    Your assertion, every assertion you’ve ever made on this blog about Hipsters(which is nearly every thread as you talk about them obsessively), is based on nothing and should be dismissed as worthless. But I think most of us already knew that.

  31. Carnation says

    @ Adiabat

    “Who else gets the impression that I’ve touched a nerve?”

    I did a lot of that at your age, too. Only joshing, I’m guessing that you’re older than me? I was born in the dying years of the 1970s. One bit of advice though, touching your nerve whilst staring at a computer screen will cause you problems within your relationship, if you are in one.

    Adiabat, you’re projecting. You’d love to “touch a nerve”, to annoy me, to rile me up, but you don’t and you haven’t ever. You are fun to engage with, but for me to get annoyed with you, I’d have to care what you think. And I don’t. So please, stop with the amateur dramatics. Every other post of yours on this blog seems to be an attempt to establish your Carnation beating credentials. It’s a bit unbecoming.

    Hipsters, by the way are all about the irony – not quirkiness.

    Social justice is all about equality. To you and yours, however, it feeds into your paranoid delusion that cultural Marxists are waging a war on men/the family/straight people/white people/Christians etc The truth is… Ah, I can’t be bothered. You seem happy having your wee ideology.

  32. says

    carnation

    To you and yours, however, it feeds into your paranoid delusion that cultural Marxists are waging a war on men/the family/straight people/white people/Christians

    Given that there is a certain overlap between Adiabat’s views and mine I feel addressed by this. Christian? family? straight people? Find me any reference that shows me believing these categories under particular attack by “cultural marxists”. Any at all.

  33. Jacob Schmidt says

    But, of course, just because he wasn’t offended doesn’t mean that the behaviour was okay and in no way lessens its unacceptability.

    Depends if they were threats the kid was laughing off, or examples of threats by which the kid was considering whether or not to be offended; I have no problem with the latter.

  34. Carnation says

    @ Sheaf

    Sure, it took me about 10 seconds to find a manosphere blog that confirmed for me the stunted worldview of the person who believes that cultural Marxism/SJW are a threat to most of the groups I mentioned above:

    http://www.returnofkings.com/17187/pax-dickinson-and-the-culture-of-tolerance

    As it happens, I am not accusing you or Adiabat of racism or homophobia. I’m just saying that amongst those for whom cultural Marxism is a serious concern, racists, homophobes and misogynists seem to be massively overrepresented. To deny that is to deny responsibility. My own thoughts are that for most bigots of this hue, the misogyny/homophobia/racism is present before an understanding of the concept of cultural Marxism. They are just relieved that there is a discourse albeit crude) to elucidate their views.

  35. says

    Cranation,

    The blog you mentioned has little to no views in common with me and presumably Adiabat as well.

    What this is, really, is the elevation of the deranged and deformed along with the simultaneous tearing down of the strong and traditional. They are threatened by the sight of a masculine, red pill man like Pax Dickinson who unapologetically speaks his mind without fear of offending anyone.

    This is completely at odds wth my views. You using this blog as evidence would be like me condemning you with something soe TERF said.

  36. Carnation says

    @ Sheaf

    I haven’t read your manifesto, so have no idea about your views. However, if you have common cause with Adiabat, you have common cause with AVfM.

    Now, this particular manosphere blogger might well disagree with you on some things, perhaps even the main thrust of the argument. But the paranoia, the belief that social justice warriors and cultural Marxists exist in a meaningful, organised and influential way is classic MRA hyperbole. The author of this blog doesn’t, I think, identify as an MRA, and is just a straight anti-feminist. Breivek was outspoken against cultural Marxism too. For him it waged a different war. For you it’s something different Maybe it is for Adiabat too. But the thing is, the war being waged is in all of your heads – it doesn’t exist.

    What follows here could be taken out of an MRA blog, a far right Christian blog, a father’s rights blog or even the Daily Mail:

    “The politically correct internet hit squad is at it again. You know who I’m talking about: the assorted collection of feminists, white knights, manginas, fat acceptance activists and homosexuals who band together to create a virtual shit storm every time a man opens his mouth and says something remotely offensive…. This type of social justice activism/cultural Marxism has become a sort of religion to these people… But once they stumble upon this cultural Marxist, social justice nonsense, they suddenly believe they’ve discovered what it means to be virtuous. They’ve found religion.”

  37. says

    carnation

    I haven’t read your manifesto, so have no idea about your views.

    What? I have been commentng here for a year or more.

    However, if you have common cause with Adiabat, you have common cause with AVfM.

    You know, AVFM has very different contributors with different views. This is like saying: If you hae common cause with Adabat, you have common cause with politicians as category. Utter nonsense.

    But the paranoia, the belief that social justice warriors and cultural Marxists exist in a meaningful, organised and influential way is classic MRA hyperbole.

    I would not use the term cultural marxst but social justice warriors exist that is a simple fact about the world. People who use the term would categorize you as one. Some people nside this category are influential. I dont think in terms of war. I thnk there are a lot of people with very poor reasoning skills and incoherent opinions that are politically active and whose activism would result in net negatives. You do so as well, else you would not use so much of your time denouncng MRAs.

    Breivek was outspoken against cultural Marxism too.

    Another person I share no opinions with has spoken gainst “cultural marxsm”? This is absolutely irrelevant to your claims of paranoia by Adiabat and other people who are similar to Adiabat.

  38. Carnation says

    “You know, AVFM has very different contributors with different views.”

    So does, say, the British National Party. Underpinning the whole thing is a belief system that is fundamentally flawed and relies on an imaginary scapegoat.

    “I would not use the term cultural marxst but social justice warriors exist that is a simple fact about the world. People who use the term would categorize you as one. Some people nside this category are influential. I dont think in terms of war.”

    AVfM, who you defend, frequently speak of a war on men and boys. Only an absolute idiot would describe me as a “social justice warrior”. Make of that what you will.

    And I’m afraid you share anti-feminism and a belief in the strength of cultural Marxism with Brievek and a whole host of other unsavoury types. Does this make you a racist or a murderer? No. But it does mean you share a world view with a lot of people whose world view is a paranoid, delusional fantasy, complete with scapegoats and enemies.

  39. Adiabat says

    Carnation (35):

    You’d love to “touch a nerve”, to annoy me, to rile me up, but you don’t and you haven’t ever.

    Yeah, it’s not like you’ve spread whatever breakdown you’re having now and your “not caring what I think” to three separate threads in the past few days…

    It’s been very entertaining.

    Every other post of yours on this blog seems to be an attempt to establish your Carnation beating credentials. It’s a bit unbecoming.

    Not at all. My first post on this head was just raising a topic for discussion. It’s not my fault that since then you’ve embarrassed yourself several times and made yourself look foolish. I’m not even taking credit for all that as you did it to yourself.

    Hipsters, by the way, aren’t about the irony. That’s just the story they tell to allow plausible deniability in case they fail to pull something off. If it was just about the irony then the most ironic thing for a hipster would be to wear a chav tracksuit and baseball cap, and not an admittedly funky Edwardian getup (as one example), which can look quite cool actually (in a quirky kind of way). As with your claim that “Social justice is all about equality” you are showing an inability for original thought; your only capability is to parrot something you’ve been told.

    To you and yours, however, it feeds into your paranoid delusion that cultural Marxists are waging a war on men/the family/straight people/white people/Christians etc

    Nope, that’s not my view at all. It looks like instead of trying to understand people who have views different to your own you lump them all together and project an easily attacked caricature onto them.

    This is evidenced not only by your exchange with sheaf above where you corral people with widely different views into one homogenous mass, but also by your assertions about MRA’s without, as it turns out, having read them.

  40. Carnation says

    “It’s been very entertaining.”

    Ridiculing right-wingers usually is.

    “It’s not my fault that since then you’ve embarrassed yourself several times and made yourself look foolish. I’m not even taking credit for all that as you did it to yourself.”

    Projection.

    “Hipsters, by the way, aren’t about the irony. That’s just the story they tell to allow plausible deniability in case they fail to pull something off. If it was just about the irony then the most ironic thing for a hipster would be to wear a chav tracksuit and baseball cap, and not an admittedly funky Edwardian getup (as one example), which can look quite cool actually (in a quirky kind of way).”

    Citation? I’m guessing you don’t know any hipsters? Possibly because of… well, a few reasons, let’s say.

    “As with your claim that “Social justice is all about equality” you are showing an inability for original thought; your only capability is to parrot something you’ve been told.”

    Says the MRA. Cool story bro’

    Nope, that’s not my view at all. It looks like instead of trying to understand people who have views different to your own you lump them all together and project an easily attacked caricature onto them.”

    It is your view. You’re embarrassed by it, so you deny it. Be true to yourself.

    “This is evidenced not only by your exchange with sheaf above where you corral people with widely different views into one homogenous mass”

    I, correctly, corral anti-feminists and cultural Marxist obsessives collectively.

    Correctly you is more rewarding, and easier, than playing solitaire. Gawd bless yer lil cotton socks.

  41. Carnation says

    *Correcting you is more rewarding, and easier, than playing solitaire. Gawd bless yer lil cotton socks.

    (I do it on my spanking new Samsung Note 3 – typos result)

  42. Adiabat says

    Carnation (44): I don’t think I’ve ever seen such inept trolling.

    You’re supposed to make the other person look bad. All you’ve done so far is admit that you’ve barely read anything written by those you obsessively criticise and admit that you are incapable of seeing nuance in any position opposed to yours, preferring instead to stick to strawmen.

  43. Carnation says

    @ Adiabat

    “I don’t think I’ve ever seen such inept trolling … You’re supposed to make the other person look bad.”

    Check out comment #46 – that guy looks horrendous.

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