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Mar 14 2014

James Croft Apologizes and Retracts on Abortion Debate Issue

IMPORTANT UPDATE TO THE POSTS ABOUT DEBATING ABORTIONS:

James Croft has changed his mind on the subject of abortion debates, and has apologized and offered a retraction. Good for him. That’s hard to do. Thanks.

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  1. 1
    Menyambal

    He did it well.

    I have learned a lot, these last few days. For me, at least, this has been good.

    Thanks for posting.

  2. 2
    Al Dente

    Good for James to change his mind and admit he was wrong.

  3. 3
    Stacy

    Props to James.

    Beautifully written, too. It’s going on my “I wish everyone would read this” list.

  4. 4
    carlie

    That was a really well done retraction, very thought out and cognizant of everything involved. Thanks to him for doing so.

  5. 5
    Jadehawk

    well, that’s at least something.
    I read it. Then I scrolled down a bit, noted that the topmost comment is Steersman, and NOPE’d the fuck outta there. Don’t need the opinion of the dude who thinks bigoted slurs are ok if they’re used to cut down minorities that have gotten too uppity.

  6. 6
    Steve Caldwell

    Well … I did write to Mr. Silverman last night and he did answer my email tonight.

    Based on the email, he isn’t thinking an apology is necessary at this time. Seems like a repeat of Ronald Lindsay’s initial response after the Women in Secularism conference.

  7. 7
    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

    Thank you, James

  8. 8
    johnthedrunkard

    Like Shoa-deniers and anti-vaxxers , the anti-abortion movements ALL seem to be driven by unreasoned emotions with ‘facts’ endlessly (re)marshalled to prop up the a priori position.

    Thus ‘debating’ them gives passive endorsement to worthless ideas. But how do we answer bogus claims without repeating them. If believers are impervious to information, what venue is available to reach those who are capable of learning?

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    jflcroft

    Thanks for the re-post, Greta! Just out of interest, are there comments on my blog? If so, I cannot see them (for whatever reason). Just want to make sure I’m not missing anything.

  10. 10
    Greta Christina

    Just out of interest, are there comments on my blog? If so, I cannot see them (for whatever reason). Just want to make sure I’m not missing anything.

    jflcroft @ #9: Alas, right out of the gate, you’ve got Steersman, a notorious SlymePitter and MRA, derailing things into the usual MRA talking points. But there are also some nice, supportive comments and apparently sincere attempts to engage on the issue.

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    John Horstman

    @johnthedrunkard #8:

    Thus ‘debating’ them gives passive endorsement to worthless ideas. But how do we answer bogus claims without repeating them. If believers are impervious to information, what venue is available to reach those who are capable of learning?

    I see this as the central paradox of postmodern understandings of information and discourse. Critique inevitably necessitates stating (or re-stating) the position one wishes to critique, which fundamentally reinforces the idea. As it’s a paradox, there isn’t really a resolution; best practice is to simply try to pay attention to context and try to predict whether any given action will do more good or harm on a case-by-case basis. Sometimes we’re in lose-lose situations; if we can’t do no harm, it’s preferable to do the least harm (or to do harm to the party/ies best able to cope with that harm).

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    Tony! The Queer Shoop

    Thanks for pointing this out Greta.
    Thanks to James as well, for recognizing he was wrong.

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