Atheists Love Stories, Too

Some religious folks seem to think that atheists are worse than Vulcans. When we become atheists, we’re supposed to end up with nothing but cold logic, nihilism, and the complete inability to understand or appreciate stories.

There’s Paul Wallace, who sez “atheists may be ill at ease with stories.” And then there’s John Gray, who babbles some nonsense about how science’s silly story is that it “can enable us to live without myths.” What these two authors seem to have in common is some idea that those who don’t believe that the Christian myth is the Really Real Truth must not understand stories, because if we did, we’d believe in Jesus. Or something. Their thinking is so muddled I hesitate to call it thought, and their conclusions so laughable I’m not sure I can finish this post before I rupture something vital. But I shall try.


There’s something right here that rather destroys the argument that atheists don’t understand stories. In fact, it suggests we understand them better than some Christians. There’s this poem, “Cheating at Cards With Jesus.” It’s a beautifully religious poem. It can be read in a variety of ways, like all good poetry. You could see it as Jesus gathering the lost, sacrificing himself for you, turning a losing situation into a winning one. It rather put me in mind of a play one of my Christian friends told me about back when we worked at a bookstore together, which had a defense lawyer telling the court his client pleads guilty, and just as the courtroom erupts and the client panics, tells the court he himself will serve the sentence. Nice metaphor for Jesus paying the price for our sins so we could get on with the living bidness. And you’d think that people who bleat about all the wonderful stories in the Bible, prodigal sons and all that, could accept that Jesus is a card cheat who throws the game in our favor. It’s a metaphor. Or maybe a parable.

Atheists got it in one go. Yes, some of us probably groaned, but we got it. Some Christians in the audience, however, missed it completely. Kelly Barnhill, the Catholic Sunday School teacher, got condemned to hell and called an atheist by quite a few good Christians who can’t see a good Jesus story when it socks them in the eyeballs. Perhaps it was because Jesus drank whiskey. Or was it the belching? I’m not sure. I only know it’s pathetic that a group of people who preach about all the awesome stuff Jesus did to save us and how you can only be a truly moral and good person if you believe in him are so quick to wish eternal torment on someone and lump her in with us icky damned unbelievers simply because she portrayed Jesus as something other than a squeaky-clean white dude who never drinks, burps, or cheats at cards.

Look. When you become an atheist, you don’t go in to a sterile room where you hand over your love of a good story. You’re not forbidden to enjoy myths. You get to read, comprehend, and adore fiction. You can even keep writing it. Yes, even if it’s based on myth. Yes, even if it includes a scientifically impossible world lousy with gods.

I’m a Gnu Atheist, my darlings, which means I’m one of those hardcore majorly-atheistic atheists, and I still love stories. I bloody well adore mythology. If you’re a believer who can’t wrap your mind around that, think of the Greek and Roman myths you’ve adored, and tell me that someone who doesn’t believe in that stuff can’t appreciate it. Go on, go ahead. I’m listening.

Hmm. Crickets are out in force tonight. Lovely.

I’ll admit, I had a moment of panic when I first admitted I was an atheist, and not just an atheist, but one of those who can’t even be a faitheist. How could I possibly write fiction based heavily on myth, enjoy fantasy, or get deeply in to a teevee show when I knew this stuff was totally not true? This moment of crises lasted about ten minutes, just as long as it took for me to recall that many of my favorite fantasy authors are atheists, and that the crowds of Gnu Atheists I hung about with loved them their SF books and shows. Didn’t bother them a bit it wasn’t 100% factual. So why should it bother me? Shouldn’t. Moving on, then.

Funny thing happened, too. I could appreciate a well-turned story far better. It’s hard to explain. Someday, I’ll follow this post up with something about that, but it’s got a lot to do with not elevating one myth to the status of factual truth and then trying to avoid thinking that if all this other stuff is myth…. That’s part of it. Also, I could admit the Bible’s a bad story. It’s not even a story – it’s a mishmash of stuff, written by a lot of very strange people and collected by lots of other strange people long after the authors were dead, that only forms a coherent narrative if you skip big chunks, squint really hard, and avoid thinking too deeply about the main premise. There’s some decent poetry in there, some pithy quotes, some neat themes and some good stories, hidden in the dreck. Some of it’s even worth mining for inspiration. But it’s no damned different from Greek, Roman, Norse, and sundry other mythologies, except for the fact far too many people take it for literal truth.

And that’s the thing: atheists can easily enjoy stories. We’re all about good narrative structure. We love a well-told tale. The thing is, we recognize fiction as fiction, myth as myth, and we don’t need either one of them to be factually true. Myth is fiction. That doesn’t mean it contains nothing of value: it can illustrate true things about being human, just like any good work of fiction. We don’t read these things like textbooks.

And we love us some narrative non-fiction. We adore those true stories, the ones based on facts and evidence and reason. We appreciate data woven into a tale. Look at the outstanding success of The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, for an example. That was an amazing true story, non-fictional narrative at its finest. Look at Carl Sagan’s books, which often waxed poetic. Here’s another gorgeous story, written by Marcia Bartusiak, which tells you right up front it’s a story: Through a Universe Darkly: A Cosmic Tale of Ancient Ethers, Dark Matter, and the Fate of the Universe. That’s one of the most gorgeous science stories I’ve ever read. And The Mountains of St. Francis remains one of the best geologic stories ever told. These books are far from dry recitals of facts. We wouldn’t want them to be. We atheists, we are human: we love a good tale.

But we science-loving atheists can see stories others can’t, too: in data, in mathematics, in genomes. We don’t need a god story to make sense of those stories. And they are epic.

Trying to crowbar a god or two into the stories nature tells seems ridiculous, like adding something to the plot just because it’s currently popular. It would be like adding a vampire romance to Macbeth: clunky, contrived, and utterly useless to the story, taking away far more than it gives. Science doesn’t need gods. Discworld, on the other hand, would be impoverished without them. But that’s the difference between fiction and reality.

No, we atheists understand and appreciate stories just fine. I think the problem for these believers who claim we don’t is that we don’t accept their myth as a true story. And they can’t accept their tall tale as fiction, so rather than confronting the fact that what they believe is fictional, they tell themselves that we just don’t get it.

Whatevs. I can’t be bothered with them anymore. I have some Doctor Who to obsess over, stories to read, and fiction to write.

Atheists Love Stories, Too
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Cantina Quote o' the Week: H.G. Wells

What on earth would we do with ourselves if something did not stand in our way?

H.G. Wells

I trust I don’t have to tell you who H.G. Wells is. One of the fathers of science fiction? Bloke who wrote that War of the Worlds book that got turned into a radio drama by Orson Welles and led to a lot of people panicking because they were unclear on the concept of fiction.

These words of his are some of my favorites, because they are true. It might seem like everything would be wonderful if there were no obstacles in our path, but that way lies boredom. Good thing every life has its obstacles, then. As long as they’re not insurmountable, we can give our minds quite a lot of exercise figuring out how to get round them.

I think if nothing stood in our way, we’d probably put something there, just so we’d have something to contend with. We are a contentious species. And we like to prove we’re clever. Though, as the panic over a radio show proved, we’re not quite as clever as we like to believe…

Cantina Quote o' the Week: H.G. Wells

The Days of Doom

So, here’s the status: the company I work for is getting far more annihilated by the release of a certain phone than anticipated. This means I’m catastrophically behind rather than merely dramatically behind in my reading, research, and writing. Time to answer comments, emails, etc. is severely lacking. So if you’re met by a wall of silence, it’s not because I don’t love you, but because if you want Los Links to be more than five links long and hope to see quality content on this blog soon, it may take me a while to get back to you.

I’ve got some prewritten posts ready to go. The cantina won’t be falling silent. But you’ll notice a rather heavy emphasis on matters SF, as those are the ones I’d written up in advance. I’ll try to leaven those with some fresh geological goodness.

Things should calm down a bit after Sunday. I say should. If they roll out mandatory overtime, however, that happy state of affairs could get unhappy in a hurry.

There are also some health issues interfering with my ability to type for more than a half-hour at a time. No worries, it’s just the usual complaints brought on by years of typing ten+ hours per day. When I do email you or respond to your comments at last, I may sound a bit terse. I’m sorry about that!

Incidentally, if you’ve ever wanted to guest blog for the cantina, now’s the time to mention it. I could use some pinch hitters, and I know there are some brilliant writers in this crowd who may be wanting to get some eyeballs on their work. I’m thrilled to oblige. You can find me on Yahoo under dhunterauthor. Pitch me a topic.

All that said, keep the comments coming. You lot have been amazing, and you’re a large measure of my success as a writer. Without you, much of what I do would not be possible. You’ve earned an enormous drink. Go have one forthwith.

See ye soon, my darlings!

The Days of Doom

Are There Any Mineralogists in the Audience?

If so, have you ever howled at silly mineralogical mistakes in a piece of fiction? Wanna prevent me from making you scream?

I’m in the midst of worldbuilding, you see, and I’ve just come across the uncomfortable fact that I know bugger-all about minerals. I know some basics: that when a geologist is talking about a mineral, it’s not the same type of mineral your nutritionist will be yammering about. I know rocks are made of minerals, and that some minerals are commercially useful. I can, if pressed, name a few. Well, probably several. And that’s about it.

It’s pathetic is what it is.

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Are There Any Mineralogists in the Audience?

Technical Difficulties

Some of you have contacted me via the blog or email regarding technical difficulties. See? This is why you should follow me on Twitter: you’d know what’s going on, in real time!

But I know not all of you have time for Twitter, and you missed Ed’s notice, so here’s the deal: we had server issues. We’re fixing those. Our tech guy’s working himself into a lather (everybody say “Thank you!”) to get the site running better, and very soon we’ll have a snazzy new server that should take care of many of the problems you’ve had loading the site. He’s also working on some issues with commenting that have been brought to my attention – continue to let me know about those through Twitter or Facebook or even email, yahoo’s got me down as dhunterauthor.

We know it’s not perfect here yet. We’re working on that. Well, more specifically, they’re working and I’m egging them on.

This is a young site, and there are going to be a few rough spots. I know it’s going to be frustrating. When you’re experiencing issues, so am I, and believe me, when you have a tiny window of time to write in and can’t do it because the site’s down, it hurts. But it’s gonna get better. Stick with us, and we’ll get there.

Thanks for your patience!

Technical Difficulties

A Geologic Orchestra? Geology Puns? YES!

This is genius. George Hrab and the Geologic Orchestra are putting on a show called A Gneiss Night Out. My heart went pitter-pat before I’d even listened to a song.

Now, I had no idea who George Hrab was (shut up, I know I’m weak on skeptic pop culture). Didn’t matter. Geologic Orchestra, people. A Gneiss Night Out. Now I’m gnashing my teeth, because I won’t be able to make it to Bethlehem, PA in February for the show. But you might be able to. And if you can, you should absolutely go. Let there be geologists in the audience cheering for terrible geology puns and amazing good science songs.

And you’re saying, “But Dana – even a band with an awesome name and a weakness for the puns we love has to actually be good before we’ll go.”

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A Geologic Orchestra? Geology Puns? YES!

Steve Was All Right

Although, to be honest, I’m a PC girl. Have been since the personal computer fell within a middle-class price range. And there was a while there when I hated Steve Jobs, because he made my job so much harder. All right, I didn’t hate him, I hated his phone. iPhone users had an almost-religious fervor and would never ever in a billion trillion years admit that their phone might have a problem rather than the network. Thing could be shattered in a thousand pieces after being dropped on a tile floor, and they’d still claim the network did it.

And that bloody touchscreen and I couldn’t communicate. It didn’t like my cold fingers. My friends would thrust their pride-and-joy my hands, and it would just sit there, inert, or take me places I didn’t want to go. Bloody stupid device.

But that was all before the iPhone 3gs, which got so very much right, and which I got along with.

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Steve Was All Right

Accretionary Wedge #38: Back to School (Hogwarts, No Less!)

The 38th edition of the Accretionary Wedge is up at Anne Jefferson’s place. She’s done a marvelous job, and so have all of the geobloggers who took her back-to-school theme and ran with it. There’s even a Harry Potter motif! This is the edition that inspired the post that ended up nominated for Open Lab, and there’s far better stuff than mine over there. Go enjoy!

Why are you still here? Oh. Right. Some of you have never seen the Accretionary Wedge before. A few brief explanations would appear to be in order, then.

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Accretionary Wedge #38: Back to School (Hogwarts, No Less!)

Right. I Want to Try Something.

There’s a Welsh phrase I love very much: “Like killing snakes.” Means “very busy.” I’m like killing snakes right now. The start of the Winter Writing Season is always like throwing a grenade into the middle of my life, and this time, I decided to go nuclear, what with starting the Geokittehs blog with Evelyn, joining Freethought Blogs, offering to do some of the social media work for Burien Little Theatre, and participating in the Skepticism 101 panel at GeekGirlCon. And I’m not going to tell you the major cell phone carrier I work tech support for, but I’ll put it like this: we’re getting the iPhone 4s, which means they’ve closed the vacation calendar, opened up overtime slots, and are basically expecting us to be like killing snakes at a snake farm in which some mad strange person has been giving the snakes fertility drugs.

As I said, busy.

And that won’t leave as much time as I like for in-depth research for meaty geology posts. Not that we won’t have meaty geology posts. We will, at least a few. I’ll also be highlighting my beloved geobloggers as the weeks go by, because they deserve to be known and you’ll be happy to know them. But I’ll also need topics I can do as a hit-and-run. Which brings me to a somewhat pathetic cry for help.

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Right. I Want to Try Something.

Hey, Seattle! Come Out for Some Theatre and My Imminent Public Humiliation!

Yeah, I know. It’s the Winter Writing Season: I’m supposed to spend my days off with me arse superglued to my chair and bleeding words all over the keyboard. However. I’m ungluing my butt on Sunday and heading out into the big, wide world for a little entertainment and some possible public humiliation.

You know you wanna be there.

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Hey, Seattle! Come Out for Some Theatre and My Imminent Public Humiliation!