Ellery Schempp Blasts David Barton

I wrote recently about David Barton’s latest lie (well, probably not his latest; he seems to lie every time he opens his mouth), about an expert witness in Abington Township v Schempp. Hemant contacted Ellery Schempp, the plaintiff in that case, to get a reaction. And boy, what a reaction it was. Knowing what a nice guy Ellery is, he was clearly peeved about this:
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David Barton: Liar or Biblically Illiterate?

David Barton continues to make the monumentally dishonest argument that many provisions of the Constitution were “direct quotations right out of Bible verses.” And he adds a couple of new Bible verses that not only aren’t directly quoted in the Constitution, they aren’t even distantly related to anything found in it.
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David Barton: Logical Fallacy Machine

David Barton is responding to some of the critics of his new and aptly-named book The Jefferson Lies and, true to form, his response is little more than a laundry list of logical fallacies with almost no substantive argument whatsoever. His most common form of argument is what I often call the argumentum ad labelum, or argument by label.
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Robert O’Brien Nominee: David Barton

Add this one to the long list of crazy from David Barton:

I will tell you that the science will always catch up with the Bible, it may not appear to be right it will always catch up, it always has, always will. We now have a study out in the last few months called “ex-gays,” and it is significant, it has changed the entire psychological, psychiatric world, because it documents authoritatively people who were homosexuals who no longer were. Now on the secular side they’ve been saying ‘oh there’s nothing you can do about it, you were born that way, that’s you’re nature,’ well if that’s true you can’t have ex-gays. That’s like being an ex-black or an ex-white or an ex-whatever.

So what it has done, science has now figured out, ‘you know God was right.’ So when you said that about you know God didn’t create you to be a homosexual, they’ll say, ‘well wait a minute science says,’ well science doesn’t say that anymore. Science just got changed this year to match what the Bible’s been telling us all along, and that’s why you always stick with the Bible, science will catch up with the Bible.

I don’t care who you are, that’s stupid right there.

Robert O’Brien Nominee: David Barton. Again.

Even by Barton standards, this one is moronic.

“I’m sorry, your sexual choice is not a God-given right,” Barton said, “You’re talking about a choice and you’re talking about elevating a choice to an inalienable right, which is impossible, you can’t, not under the definition of American documents.”

Religion is a choice and that’s an inalienable right. Speaking, publishing newspapers and peaceably assembling are also choices — and all inalienable rights. As usual, Barton is completely wrong.

David Barton: Not a Historian

Here’s an amusing interview with David Barton where he admits that he’s not a historian — but only because nobody is a historian.

Barton: I really kind of do a whole lot of all of it, but I don’t consider myself a historian because I’m not sure there is such a thing … So I really don’t call myself a historian. I probably know more about history than most folks. I’ve probably read more history books than most folks, I’ve read thousands and literally tens of thousands. But I don’t consider myself a historian; I just happen to know some things about it.

I don’t think anybody can ever be an expert, per se, because in the case of history we have millions of documents at the Library of Congress, at the National Archives. If I’ve read a million of them, let’s say, that’s still only one percent of the knowledge that’s out there. How can I be an expert with one percent knowledge? I may know more than some other people in this area, but I can’t really consider myself a historian or an expert because there is too much left too learn, there is too much still to come to and in that sense I don’t look at myself as a historian.

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Barton Even Lies About His Lies Being Vindicated

Warren Throckmorton, who really has become a very important critic of David Barton, notes that Barton is now lying about his previous lies having been shown to be true after all by two lawsuits. I’ve written before about the lawsuit that was settled over the claim that he is “known” for speaking at white supremacist rallies. The second was against a guy who said Barton is an “admitted liar.” Here’s what he has claimed about those two cases:
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Offered For Your Amusement and Edification

I’m sure many of you remember a blog post I wrote almost a year ago entitled Atheists, Please Stop Saying These Things. It was just a critique of what I think are some very common and very bad arguments made by atheists. Someone posted a link to it on Google+ a couple weeks ago and that prompted several hangouts and discussions of it, including two by a guy named Mike, who goes by the name Forbidden Fruit. I’ll post the Youtube video below the fold, then take a look at some of what he has to say.
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Wingnuts: Christianity is Going to be Outlawed!

The completely unhinged Janet Porter has produced a new documentary that features the usual lineup of wingnuts — David Barton, Mike Huckabee, Louis Gohmert, Steve King, etc. — claiming that we’re headed toward a totalitarian dystopia when gay rights activists outlaw Christianity. Because that’s totally realistic, right? We’re going to outlaw the religion held by 70% of the population. If you think that’s going to happen, please hold your breath until it does.
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