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Jun 08 2014

Fox Brings on White Supremacist to Attack Neil DeGrasse Tyson

The Fox News show Red Eye, which features the painfully unfunny Greg Gutfeld trying desperately to be amusing, is on at 3 am. Perhaps that’s why they thought they could bring on white supremacist Gavin McInnes to insult Neil DeGrasse Tyson and no one would notice it.

MCINNES: I hate this guy [...] White liberal nerds love this guy so much, he could defecate on them like Martin Bashir’s fantasies and they would dance in the streets. All he does is, he’s drunk with adulation. And he talks about things like “when I was young in New York I would get racially profiled when I’d go into stores.” Back then he looked like he was in The Warriors. He had a huge afro and a cutoff shirt and New York was a war zone. Sorry, you fit the profile.

Some background on McInnes:

McInnes used to write for VDARE.com, which the Southern Poverty Law Center identifies as a “White Nationalist” “hate group,” and stated in 2011 “I love me some VDARE.” In one post for VDARE.com, McInnes compared a Canadian university to a “madrassa” because it wouldn’t host Jared Taylor, a white nationalist who advocates for founding all-white towns.

McInnes currrently writes for Taki’s Magazine, a “paleoconservative” website that publishes overtly racist articles including ones by neo-confederates. At Taki’s, McInnes has referred to Asian-Americans as “slopes” and “riceballs,” suggested Muslims are “stupider” and “more violent” due to inbreeding, defended blackface because some minstrel shows were “just mimicking black people” and “fun,” backed the racist comments of Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson, and argued that to yell the n-word at someone is “not racist” but “just very rude.” He also owns his own website, StreetCarnage.com, where he defended Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s racist comments because Bundy was just “wonder[ing]” if African-Americans were better off under slavery. In 2013, 18 Milling Rising gave him a “Lifetime Achievement Award in Hipster Racism,” a brand of racism marked by making “ironically” racist “jokes.”

This was the 18th time he has been on Red Eye this year alone. If writing for VDARE doesn’t make you untouchable for network television, that speaks volumes.

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  1. 1
    raven

    My impression is that Fox News is becoming more and more extreme.

    The average age of Fox News viewers is 68, old people on the way to being…dead people. They are losing viewership, although still the largest cable news network.

    It looks like they are competing with their peer group, Alex Jones/Infowars and Glenn Beck.

  2. 2
    comfychair

    Golly gee, Ed, why are you so intolerant?

  3. 3
    dianne

    Back then he looked like he was in The Warriors. He had a huge afro and a cutoff shirt and

    …and he was a student at Bronx High School of Science. In other words, a huge nerd even then and stopping him was, at best, a waste of police resources. In short, McInnes’ argument itself highlights the foolishness of racial profiling: he may have “fit the profile” in looks, but he was an entirely unthreatening high school nerd.

  4. 4
    Jeremy Shaffer

    If writing for VDARE doesn’t make you untouchable for network television, that speaks volumes.

    Hell, at this point I’m just surprised Fox exhibited some measure of wherewithal to try and hide the guy on a 3 AM show instead of one of their prime time ones. After all, he’s got “Hannity guest” written all over him.

  5. 5
    dan4

    @4: Read the last sentence in the link that Ed provided.

  6. 6
    pocketnerd

    Thus Spake ZaraGavin McInnes:

    He had a huge afro and a cutoff shirt and New York was a war zone. Sorry, you fit the profile.

    In other words, Gavin McInnes is scared incontinent of people who aren’t white, and can’t feel safe unless they’re being conspicuously and deliberately oppressed. Sad to see the plantationer mentality still isn’t dead after 150 years.

  7. 7
    Jeremy Shaffer

    For some reason I thought the last part of the article was just the author info and was basing my comment at 4 off what Ed had written above. For half a moment my opinion of Fox went up ever so slightly. That should have been an indication that something was wrong.

  8. 8
    dan4

    “If writing for VDARE doesn’t make you untouchable for network television…”

    Or writing a book called How to Piss in Public (seriously).

  9. 9
    corwyn

    Not much of an ‘attack’. “Of course you got racially profiled, you match the profile” is a bit tautological. And probably not a big surprise to NdGT.

  10. 10
    alanb

    I’m not going to look it up, so I may be wrong, but my recollection is that Tyson told a racial profiling story that happened within the past few years, after he had become a fixture on TV.

  11. 11
    Modusoperandi

    Back then he looked like he was in The Warriors.

    So, not threatening and a little comical?

  12. 12
    zippythepinhead

    Oh yeah but you know Fox News isn’t racist at all.

  13. 13
    Alverant

    If you can’t attack the facts, attack the person. If all you have on the person is appearance, attack that.

  14. 14
    left0ver1under

    I had never heard of McInnes before Friday, and now I’ve heard of him twice…which is two times too many for my liking.

  15. 15
    democommie

    I always find that when someone mentions any of these KKKlowns (Bundy, David Duke, McInnes, etc.,) with the intention of quoting some of their wisdom, my standard comment, “Racist fucking asshole” tends to be a real buzzkill.

  16. 16
    Jackie

    Next on Fox: Jealous white men filled with rage and saying stupid shit that will make you shake your head in disgust.

  17. 17
    Childermass

    Old and now busted: Fox News: Not Racist, Just #1 With Racists.

    New slogan needed.

  18. 18
    F [i'm not here, i'm gone]

    The Fox News show Red Eye

    Which is not named for the obvious bloodshot eyes of one who has stayed up too long, but from the metaphorical use describing the butthole of animals who like to lift their tails while sticking their rear end in one’s face…

    he could defecate on them like Martin Bashir’s fantasies and they would dance in the streets.

    Projection!

    to yell the n-word at someone is “not racist

    Why deny everything you fight for?

  19. 19
    David Marjanović

    Somehow I don’t think New York was a war zone. I rather think McInnes is, as mentioned above, scared incontinent.

  20. 20
    laurentweppe

    he was an entirely unthreatening high school nerd.

    He was already
    1. Black
    2. Smart
    Which is the real reason white supremacists feel so threatened by him.

  21. 21
    Kamaka

    @ 20

    On TV while black.

  22. 22
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    … to yell the n-word at someone is “not racist ..

    Er, dude, it really is.

  23. 23
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Not theworld’s biggets fan of NdG Tyson. Hate his stance and bullying behaviour re : Pluto.

    Butr really, dafuck!? A racist white supremacyst scumbag spewing crap about him? Not cool.

  24. 24
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    If writing for VDARE doesn’t make you untouchable for network television, that speaks volumes.

    Yes. Yes it does.

    And nothing, nothing, in those volumes is good.

    Not a fan of NdG Tyson. I respect him a little not a lot.

    But racism is fucking bullshit.

    This McInnes tool is ,well, a fucking douche.

    Race is bullshit and those who believe in it are clueless , silly, pitiable fools.

    NDG Tyson I disagree with on a few things but the bloke should NEVER have too put up with crap like this.

  25. 25
    Jafafa Hots

    Hate his stance and bullying behaviour re : Pluto.

    This is fucking funny.

  26. 26
    F [i'm not here, i'm gone]

    you match the profile

    The profile is racist bullshit. That is an attack. Supporting that profiling as a mans to indicate there is something wrong with the profiled is an attack.

  27. 27
    Jafafa Hots

    oops. blockquote fail.

  28. 28
    Childermass

    Small correction to Ed. The show that this jerk was on 18 times was Hannity.

  29. 29
    cptdoom

    Um I might be misremembering the film, but weren’t the Warriors all white?

  30. 30
    lofgren

    Um I might be misremembering the film, but weren’t the Warriors all white?

    I think there was one black guy, but either way I’m pretty sure he meant that Tyson looked like a member of the Riffs, a black gang from the film.

  31. 31
    Trebuchet

    I had never heard of McInnes before Friday, and now I’ve heard of him twice…which is two times too many for my liking.

    Wow! Racist, misogynist, AND homophobic. A hater trifecta. I’m quite sorry I clicked that link.

  32. 32
    Michael Heath

    Trebuchet writes:

    Wow! Racist, misogynist, AND homophobic. A hater trifecta. I’m quite sorry I clicked that link.

    Sounds like Gavin McInnes’ attempting to earn his way onto Duck Dynasty.

  33. 33
    jba55

    Is this the Gavin McInnes who co-founded Vice Magazine? Because if it is I think it might be best to take everything he says with a grain of salt. Now I’m not saying he isn’t an asshole, in fact I would like to suggest that he is one of the biggest assholes ever, but he has also shown himself to be a world class troll. He is, according to himself, a big fan of “pranks” like giving interviews where he makes claims about things that are blatantly untrue and passing them off as real. To be fair I don’t think I’ve ever heard of him doing this with his personal opinion and the fact that he would write for VDARE is especially damming, but… well, I guess what I’m saying is even if he is a white supremacist, that is just one of a whole list of reasons to dismiss him.

  34. 34
    tbp1

    @#20:

    And not just smart, but scary smart in a field that still doesn’t have a lot of blacks in it.

  35. 35
    bryanfeir

    jba55@33:

    Is this the Gavin McInnes who co-founded Vice Magazine?

    From the linked article in the OP:

    Gavin McInnes, who co-founded Vice but left the company in 2008, reportedly because he was a “liability,”[...]

    So, yes.

  36. 36
    Moggie

    StevoR:

    Hate his stance and bullying behaviour re : Pluto.

    Yeah! Notice how he only picks on the dwarf planets? Hey, tough guy, let’s see you try to bully Neptune!

  37. 37
    Moggie

    Modus:

    Back then he looked like he was in The Warriors.

    So, not threatening and a little comical?

    ISTR some of them dressed as mimes. Now that’s fucking scary.

  38. 38
    anubisprime

    Fox seems to be the last and only bastion of real(tm) Christian folk who need their data streams simplistic, bigoted, overtly racist, dumbed down, bias affirming, anti-homosexual, anti-female, anti-atheist, anti-science, and pro jeebus!

    But the content and the hysteria in fundy theist circles is bordering on melt down.

    They are losing every SSM ruling going and consistently, they are being pilloried and laughed at for the brain dead bollix they all chunder up…and their numbers are dwindling day by day.

    That dawning realization that their ‘end-times’ has finally arrived has turned their guts to putrescent water and their righteousness to incandescent gaseous vomit…

    The rhetoric and the lies will flow thick and fast from the desperation…they care not if it even sounds vaguely coherent…this is their fear coming through…and fear does not usually elicit a calm and reasoned response.

    The volume will increase and the hatred will not be hidden under a pious veil of false modesty.

    It is for all intents and purposes their last disparate huzzah!..And fox is leading the shaky chanting!

  39. 39
    Matt G

    NdGT is at his best when he isn’t trying too hard. He is naturally charismatic, but detracts from this when he tries to inject emotion (awe, wonder, etc.) into the subject – it just sounds forced.

  40. 40
    busterggi

    NdGT had a very different look 30 years ago…

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47y5bo8wtqM&w=420&h=315

  41. 41
    dianne

    On TV while black.

    On TV, as an expert at something other than being black, while black. It’s a fairly radical position to be in.

  42. 42
    dianne

    @23: You hate Neil for articulating the scientific consensus on Pluto in a way the public could…well, maybe “understand” is too strong a word, but at least start to get the basic point of? Trust me, Pluto did not get dropped from the major planets sequence just because NdGT said so.

  43. 43
    dingojack

    anubisprime – “They are losing every SSM ruling going and consistently, they are being pilloried and laughed at for the brain dead bollix they all chunder up…and their numbers are dwindling day by day.
    That dawning realization that their ‘end-times’ has finally arrived has turned their guts to putrescent water and their righteousness to incandescent gaseous vomit…”

    Perhaps that armageddon isn’t gonna be quite they way they thought (nor will it end the way they hoped)*. Quelle damage.

    : ) Dingo
    ————
    * This is the way the world will end,
    This is the way the world will end,
    This is the way the world will end -
    Not with a bang, but a whimper
    .

  44. 44
    colnago80

    Re StevoR @ #23

    Last night, I downloaded an interview with ole Neil which consisted of questions posed by the moderator and the audience. One of the most interesting questions was posed by a 2nd grader who ask him what would be the result of 2 black holes colliding. One of the most interesting parts of the response was a statement that for certain trajectories in the neighborhood, the complex mathematics predicts that backwards movement in time occurs. Wow. As Feynman was once quoted as saying, physics is weird.

  45. 45
    Synfandel

    cptdoom wrote, “Um I might be misremembering the film, but weren’t the Warriors all white?”

    Yes, they were an all-caucasian sextet, from which Jon Anderson went on to fame in Yes and Ian Wallace emerged to become King Crimson’s second drummer.

  46. 46
    Gretchen

    I had never heard of McInnes before Friday, and now I’ve heard of him twice…which is two times too many for my liking.

    I was planning to get my hair cut short anyway, but did so with particular relish after reading that.

  47. 47
    anubisprime

    dingojack @ 43

    Perhaps that armageddon isn’t gonna be quite they way they thought (nor will it end the way they hoped)*. Quelle damage.

    It would appear that the whole bally world will not be as they thought it would be…or as their brain dead scam artist leaders, movers and shakers would boast and swear black and blue it would be at any rate!

    Talk about sold a pig in a poke, I suppose to them brought up on the tale, and discouraged from questioning for a greater part of that upbringing it might indeed appear quite obviously the much advertised end times.

    Man will they be pissed when reality smacks them fuckin’ hard ‘n’ squarely on the ass?

    It would not surprise that the lynchings start of false prophets etc etc…what they sow shall they indeed reap!…now that would be sodding ironic to the n^th decimal place.

  48. 48
    scienceavenger

    He had a huge afro and a cutoff shirt and New York was a war zone. Sorry, you fit the profile.

    Of what? Being black when its hot? Honestly, what sort of little shrivelled-dick twerp is so horrified of an Afro?

  49. 49
    dingojack

    IS it just me or does the headline seem to read:
    FOX brings extra-dull butter knife to gunfight“?
    :) Dingo

  50. 50
    caseloweraz

    Gavin McInnes ==> Men’s caving in

  51. 51
    ysoldeangelique

    It still confuses me that Neil DeGrasse Tyson is on Cosmos which is on FOX. How do they have a news show that pans science about everything while having a show like Cosmos that shows science in all its wonder and glory. . . I assume the audience for each show is entirely different and yet it’s still very weird.

  52. 52
    Noadi

    @51 Not different shows, different networks. FOX is one of the major non-cable networks and so has a mix of shows meant to appeal to a wide variety of people and it’s demographics aren’t as old and white and FOXNews which is a cable news network.

  53. 53
    Michael Heath

    ysoldeangelique writes:

    It still confuses me that Neil DeGrasse Tyson is on Cosmos which is on FOX. How do they have a news show that pans science about everything while having a show like Cosmos that shows science in all its wonder and glory. . . I assume the audience for each show is entirely different and yet it’s still very weird.

    I’m in a moral quandary regarding my watching Cosmos. Do I watch in order to better educate myself and promote a more scientifically literate population? Or do I not watch in order to not help the enemy? That being the stakeholders in Fox and Fox News who are benefiting by causing harm to billions.

    It’s the only show I watch on Fox and while I did watch Fox News for a few years, that was to better educate myself regarding my political opponents – for which I have no guilt. I choose to watch Cosmos; but I’m not sure that’s a morally defensible position.

  54. 54
    Silentbob

    @ 23 StevoR

    Neil has a message for you.

  55. 55
    dianne

    @51: It gets worse. He chose to go with Fox for Cosmos rather than PBS because Fox offered more creative control.

  56. 56
    ildi

    Hate his stance and bullying behaviour re : Pluto.

    Bizarre. There are so many valid things about which to criticize Tyson; I wouldn’t think teaching people how science works would be one of them. Astronomers didn’t know about the Kuiper belt when Pluto was classified as a planet. As our understanding of the solar system increased, the classifications also increased from two (planets and asteroids) to three (planets, dwarf planet and small Solar System bodies) for those objects that are not satellites.

    Any-hoo, according to Friendly Atheist:

    10 Things I Didn’t Know About Neil deGrasse Tyson Until After Reading His Profile in the New Yorker

    For good or ill, he goes out of his way to be apolitical and areligious. I think there is a significant population of people he would not be able to educate otherwise.

    It gets worse. He chose to go with Fox for Cosmos rather than PBS because Fox offered more creative control.

    FWIW:

    Ann Druyan, Sagan’s widow and a producer of the new series, says that other networks, including PBS, had a chance to air the new series, but none of them could top the budget or creative control that Fox gave them.

    It wasn’t just PBS, and it wasn’t just creative control. I work in a science-heavy field and there are quite a few people who don’t watch PBS almost on principle who would watch Fox or the History channel.

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