Republican Xenophobia and Immigration Reform

Will Wilkinson notes a recent survey that shows that overwhelming majorities support all of the key elements of the immigration reform package being considered by Congress, including Republicans. 86% of Republicans, for example, support the path to citizenship. Then he provides an accurate explanation for what that has little to do with what Republican legislators are doing on it:

But why are “furious attacks” such a problem if most Republican voters support the elements of immigration reform?

Well, “politics is not about policy”. The energetic ideological base of the Republican Party is a nationalist, identity-politics movement for relatively well-to-do older white Americans known as the “tea party”. The tea party is interested in bald eagles, American flags, the founding fathers, Jesus Christ, fighter jets, empty libertarian rhetoric, and other markers of “authentic” American identity and supremacy. That America is “a nation of immigrants” is a stock piece of American identity politics, but the immigrants that made America America were, well, not Mexican, and spoke English, or at least Pennsylvania Dutch. Sorry Mexicans! Even if each element of immigration reform, taken in isolation, is agreed to be a good idea by a solid majority of Republican voters, Republican politicians must nevertheless avoid too-enthusiastically supporting this package of good ideas, lest they fail to project sufficient appreciation for the importance of keeping America American and putting Americans first. To fail to introduce a dead-on-arrival poison-pill amendment that would, say, require all would-be Americans to score over 160 on the LSAT, or to personally assassinate a member of al Qaeda before setting foot on the “path to citizenship” is to invite a primary challenge from a more thoroughly “American” American less cowed by the insidious deracinating forces of multicultural political correctness.

The only thing worse than nationalism, in my view, is racial or ethnic nationalism.

68 comments on this post.
  1. slc1:

    The blogs resident Bolshevik, Don Williams will be along to contest this post.

  2. CaitieCat:

    The only thing worse than nationalism, in my view, is racial or ethnic nationalism.

    You said it, brother.

  3. Modusoperandi:

    It’s not “empty libertarian rhetoric”. It’s full of sh…resentment. Besides, they’re too focused on the economy to care about minor issues like millions of Mexicans sneakin’ over the border and stealin’ our jerbs (including Pedro and Guadalupe, who mow their lawn and clean their home, respectively). They’ll get the economy on track no matter how many mandatory pre-abortion transvaginal ultrasounds and voting hurdles for “urban” voters (*wink wink*) it takes!
    In any event, it’s “Give us your poor”. It doesn’t say anything about us not profiting from their labor, treating them terribly, then sending them back.

  4. umlud:

    Yeah, it didn’t work out so well for Japan (and the outfall of this forms a major basis for why Japan’s relations with South Korea and Taiwan remain reaaaaaally strained, even though – based only on modern-day political stances – these countries ought to be closer allies). It forms a major problem in [Han] China’s occupation of Tibet (and attempts at assimilating Uighur, Mongol, and Korean populations). It also hasn’t helped in Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, and most everywhere that ethnic nationalism has formed the basis of a governance policy.

    But – for most people in most places – nativist sentiment (which is almost always associated with racial and ethnic differences) is the status quo, and any change to that status quo is seen as an “attack”. (I mean, we see this with the howls of “attacks on Christianity” within a majority-Christian country.)

  5. captainoblivious:

    Well, a lot of the TP types might be as described, especially since the movement got infected by the evangelicals. But I think the Republicrats have a point. We’ve been there, done that. Amnesty followed by doing nothing to solve the problem has gotten us where we are now. What they want is to stop the invasion first. Once that’s done, then we can talk about legalization.

  6. raven:

    The only thing worse than nationalism, in my view, is racial or ethnic nationalism.

    Religious nationalism isn’t so great either.

    One of our current active hostiles is a group of Moslem extremists, who occasionally produce some dead bodies e.g. NYC or Boston.

    Shiites and Sunnis are actively killing each other by the dozens in Syria, Pakistan, and Iraq. The Hindus and Moslems occasionally mix it up and both now have nuclear weapons.

    And they all hate people like me, a No Religion.

  7. Michael Heath:

    Will Wilkinson writes:

    The energetic ideological base of the Republican Party is a nationalist, identity-politics movement for relatively well-to-do older white Americans known as the “tea party”. The tea party is interested in bald eagles, American flags, the founding fathers, Jesus Christ, fighter jets, empty libertarian rhetoric, and other markers of “authentic” American identity and supremacy.

    Mr. Wilkinson forgets this group’s deeply embedded yet self-denied racism. Here’s Phyllis Schlafly as reported by Right Wing Watch:

    Eagle Forum founder Phyllis Schlafly has been making the media rounds recently to encourage the GOP to drop any attempts to reach out to Latino voters – especially through bipartisan immigration policy – and instead to focus exclusively on riling up and turning out white voters.

    Speaking with a Bakersfield, California, talk radio host last week, Schlafly further explained this view, claiming that Latinos don’t “have any Republican inclinations at all” because “they’re running an illegitimacy rate that’s just about the same as the blacks are.”

    She added that Latinos “come from a country where they have no experience with limited government. And the types of rights we have in the Bill of Rights, they don’t understand that at all, you can’t even talk to them about what the Republican principle is.”

    This is merely illustrative of conservative Christian racism. Surveys also reveal that race is a significant factor for this group.

    A popular conservative Christian viral email currently running around shows a picture of a young tough looking black man. He’s identified as Treyvon Martin where the email goes onto argue this picture proves liberal media bias. It’s not Treyvon Martin, but instead a young obscure rap singer.

    And what if it really was Mr. Martin? All this reveals is how racist these gullible fools are since what somebody looks like is not a defense for the fact that George Zimmerman profiled, stalked, and confronted young Mr. Martin simply because he was a young black man. Making Martin blacker as a defense that Mr. Zimmerman was justified in stalking and killing Martin only better illustrates how unconscious and deeply embedded this group’s racism is; to the point they can’t even think straight on these types of issues.

  8. Trebuchet:

    The blogs resident Bolshevik, Don Williams will be along to contest this post.

    I hereby move that any sarcastic, off-topic mention of another poster in a thread in which that poster has yet to appear be a cause for immediate banning. Note that SLC is a victim of this as well as the primary perpetrator.

  9. Trebuchet:

    Back on topic, I disagree with the characterization of TP’ers as “relatively well off”. I think most are more like lower-middle-class. That’s a group that’s always a prime focus for hatred of those only a little less well-off than themselves.

  10. raven:

    Speaking with a Bakersfield, California, talk radio host last week, Schlafly further explained this view, claiming that Latinos don’t “have any Republican inclinations at all” because “they’re running an illegitimacy rate that’s just about the same as the blacks are.”

    What does the illegitimacy rate of a group have to do with “Republican inclinations”.

    It’s irrelevant.

    It’s also wrong. The fundie xian cultists have a teenage pregnancy rate far higher than the general population. And this is the Tea Party base.

    If you look at the teenage pregnancy rate, it is high in states like Texas, Mississippi, Alabama etc.. The lowest rates are in the blue states of the Northeast.

  11. Modusoperandi:

    Michael Heath “All this reveals is how racist these gullible fools are since what somebody looks like is not a defense for the fact that George Zimmerman profiled, stalked, and confronted young Mr. Martin simply because he was a young black man. Making Martin blacker as a defense that Mr. Zimmerman was justified in stalking and killing Martin only better illustrates how unconscious and deeply embedded this group’s racism is; to the point they can’t even think straight on these types of issues.”
    To be fair, they can’t think straight on most other types of issues, either.
     
    Trebuchet “Back on topic, I disagree with the characterization of TP’ers as ‘relatively well off’. I think most are more like lower-middle-class.”
    To be fair, they’d all be in the first group if it wasn’t for Carter forcing the banks to lend to minorities! And also Obamacare’s sky high taxes! It’s the Moochers! The Moochers are holding them back! (/me rides off on Medicare-provided scooter)
     
    raven “The fundie xian cultists have a teenage pregnancy rate far higher than the general population. And this is the Tea Party base.”
    To be fair, that’s Hollywood’s fault. And also because of all the sex-ed classes in government schools, putting ideas in to kids’ heads. Even in states that don’t have sex-ed classes.
    And their pregnancies don’t count, because they have American babies.

  12. laurentweppe:

    The only thing worse than nationalism, in my view, is racial or ethnic nationalism.

    Ladies and Gentlemen: Ed Brayton’s wisdom for the world! “the only thing worst than tribalism is tribalism mixed with incestuous fetishes

  13. slc1:

    Re Michael Heath @ #7

    I would point out to MH that the Martin fans aren’t much better relative to racist comments. Case in point, FTB blogger Yemisi Ilesanmi. Her diatribe against Zimmerman, linked to below was pretty racist IMHO and a rush to judgment.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/yemmynisting/2013/06/28/rachel-jeantel-is-not-on-trial-judging-her-accent-is-a-show-of-your-ignorance-not-hers

    IMHO, the case against Zimmerman has been overcharged. Way back when the police were called to investigate the incident between Zimmerman and Martin, the police officer in charge of the crime scene, after talking to his evidence collectors, the ambulance technicians, and hearing Zimmerman’s story recommended to the DA that Zimmerman be arrested and charged with manslaughter. It was the DA’s declining to accept the officer’s recommendation that touched off the ensuing series of events. Had the DA done what the officer recommended, this case would have been over a long time ago, without all the negative publicity.

  14. slc1:

    Re Trebuchet @ #8

    Excuse me, ole Don Williams had numerous comments on a previous thread on this blog denouncing the bill currently before the Congress.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/yemmynisting/2013/06/28/rachel-jeantel-is-not-on-trial-judging-her-accent-is-a-show-of-your-ignorance-not-hers/

  15. slc1:

    Re #14

    Ah shit, new link didn’t take. Sorry about that.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2013/06/21/coulter-immigration-reform-the-end-of-america/

  16. Don Williams:

    Re Ed Brayton “The only thing worse than nationalism, in my view, is racial or ethnic nationalism”

    1) Define “nationalism”.
    The nation state is still the fundamental unit of citizenship on this planet. How many US soldiers have died — and how many more have been crippled for life — defending this nation?

    The veterans returning from Afghanistan and Iraq are facing extremely high unemployment — and the situation is going to get much worse as the Army shrinks greatly in size.

    Democratic Senators voted for the unnecessary war in Iraq — and supported George W Bush’s Big Lie about Sept 11 in order to cover up their whoring for the Israel Lobby that was one of the three reasons for that attack.
    The federal debt has soared by $11 Trillion in the past 12 years with Democratic support. There’s no money for future military healthcare needs.

    2) So where does the Democratic Party get off stabbing those soldiers in the back in order to pander to some swing voters in Florida , Texas, and California? We have 25 million unemployment Americans — so why does the Democratic Leadership stab their fellow countrymen in the back bringing in 20 million immigrants when there are not enough jobs for the current population?

    3) If there is no “nationalism” — if we are all “citizens of the world” — then why is Ed Snowden hiding out?

    If betrayal of country is okay, then why did we execute the Rosenbergs after their spy ring gave mass murderer Joe Stalin the ability to turn our 150 largest cities into a pile of radioactive ashes?

  17. Don Williams:

    It seems to me that the Hispanic Lobby is the epitome of Racial Nationalism — since they have more concern for foreigners in their ethnic group than loyalty to their fellow Americans in the black community who have been facing 15% unemployment over the past 5 years.

    The Democratic Leadership, of course, are not racial nationists — merely commonplace whores. Money is their God.

  18. slc1:

    Oh boy, a two fisted Don Williams rant. I really missed his contributions when Yglesias changed careers and became an economic guru, despite having no qualifications for the billet. By the way Trebuchet, I predicted this in the very first comment on this thread.

  19. Modusoperandi:

    To be fair, slc1, you’re both useless and irritating sacks of shit. Not even the good kind sack, either. You’re coarse burlap. Leaky.

  20. dingojack:

    Wait Don – you mean we didn’t nvade Iraq for Kentucky* coal?
    Dingo
    ——-
    * or was it Virginian coal? I forget now.
    Don has a habit of switching the goal posts so often and so fast I doubt even he knows which way he’s kicking (ifyouknowhatImean)

  21. slc1:

    Re Dingojack @ #20

    It was West Virginia Coal, although, at the time, West Virginia was part of Virginia. Too bad Northern Virginia wasn’t made into s separate state also.

  22. mx89:

    Why is it a trope that adding people to your society (i.e through immigration) necessarily means that they will fill up available jobs, and not start businesses of their own, actually increasing employment? The Fortune 500 is filled (disproportionately) with companies that have immigrant founders, for example.

    I mean, if you consider the rather draconian set of immigration laws the US has, you can expect on average that the successful immigrants will be highly motivated, hard working and clever (in order to pass that high barrier). Seems to me that’s exactly the type of people you want in your society.

  23. dingojack:

    sLC – So they din’t find WND in N VA then? :Not even a few 15Mt Nukes and a B-52 or two? ;)
    Dingo

  24. Don Williams:

    slc at 18: “I really missed his contributions when Yglesias changed careers and became an economic guru, despite having no qualifications for the billet”

    1) Actually, Yglesias left Center for American Progress about 2 or 3 months after I left his blog. I had become fed up with CAP constantly deleting user comments and archives, allegedly due to “software migration” and technical problems. A problem that arose , strangely enough , when users started expressing their disappointment with Obama and the lack of accomplishment of the 111th Democratic Congress.

    2) A number of other users were fed up as well — Max moved over to naked capitalism. You could see Yglesias’ blog traffic take a Massive nosedive on Alexa.

  25. Don Williams:

    mx89 at 22: “why is it a trope”

    1) I seem to recall Bill Clinton making a similar argument for NAFTA. No doubt that is why Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim is on that massive hiring spree up in Detroit.

  26. mx89:

    #25:

    There is a pretty objective difference between free trade agreements (especially the corporate-led deals we’ve been getting into) and immigration, is there not? That hardly rebuts the point…

  27. slc1:

    Re Don Williams @ #25

    Except that the giant sucking sound of jobs disappearing was occurring in Chins, not Mexico.

    Re Don Williams @ #24

    How about ole Don’s asshole buddy, Richard Steven Hack, or is he back in the slammer?

  28. Dalillama, Schmott Guy:

    Slc1 #13
    So, what you’re saying is that you have no idea what racism is, what it looks like, or how to identify it. Not surprising, given your history, but good to know nevertheless.

  29. slc1:

    Re @28

    As my Syrian friend Ammar Kanaan once said, he never know what racism was until he met me; Dr. SLC is prejudiced against everybody.

  30. Don Williams:

    SLC at 27:
    1) Ross Perot warned Bill Clinton about that giant sucking sound south of the border but
    Bill thought Ross was referring to south of Bill Clinton’s belt buckle.

    2) Since some guys here are big on “macroeconomic” arguments, anyone remember Bill Clinton’s
    “macroeconomic” argument for globalization/ letting Arkansas businessman Sam Walton hand a big
    chunk of the US economy over to China (for a price, of course)??

    “China with more than a billion people is home to the largest potential market in the world… If Congress makes the right decision, our companies will be able to sell and distribute products in China made by American workers on American soil, without being forced to relocate manufacturing to China. …We will be able to export products without exporting jobs.”

    So how is that working out?

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/china/trade.html

    I piss on your “macroeconomics”.

  31. Don Williams:

    We have seen a massive outpouring of jobs, capital and technology from this country because of Bill Clinton’s economic policy. Median income across all working age groups has fallen 10 to 17% in the past decade since Clinton pushed Congress into letting China into WTO and dropping US barriers to Chinese imports.

    Yet the Democratic Leadership’s story is that those 20 million new immigrants are rich entrepreneurs rushing here to create big corporations because the business environment is so great. And , in spite of the historical record, some of you accept that narrative uncritically.

    That’s sad.

    http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/census/household-income-by-age-bracket-median-real.gif

    I piss on your “macroeconomics”.

  32. Modusoperandi:

    Thanks a lot, Don Williams. Have you ever tried to wash pee stain out of macroeconomics? Jerk.

  33. slc1:

    Re Don Williams @ #31

    You know Don, during the second Clinton term, the unemployment rate fell to 3.6% and we had a budget surplus. Of course, Dubya pissed away the budget surplus with tax cuts for the wealthy and the deregulation of the banks, which can be blamed on Clinton and Greenspan, sent us into a deep recession when some of them went belly up. Wouldn’t you really went to place some of the blame on Greenspan, given his ethnicity?

  34. Don Williams:

    SLC at 33:

    1) Wrong , SLC — the Yield Curve Inverted in spring 2000 (forecasts recession coming 6-9 months in future)
    and the stock market went tits up. Remember the dotcom bubble bursting? Pets.com? Global Crossing?

    http://blog.afraidtotrade.com/wp-content/uploads/020608-1643-invertedyie1.png

    2) I give Clinton credit for listening to Al Gore and supporting the expansion of the Internet — but then the dumbshit let the tech go abroad whereas it should have been used to give US corporations a major competitive advantage (videoconferencing vice air travel/business meetings should have speeded up rate of innovation by a factor of 10 over prior processes.)

    3) A lot of the economic activity in Clintons last 3 years was a one-off boost from the Fortune 500 doing a massive upgrade of their IT systems due to Y2k — CEOs having decided that it was better to replace faulty old systems with new systems coded to handle the Y2K date rollover. However, that meant business IT investment went into a deep slump for several years after Y2K.

    4) Plus Greenspan dumped a lot of money into the banking system prior to Y2k (for fear of bank runs) ,
    – which spurred a credit expansion bubble. Greenspan then yanked the rugs out from under business after Y2K by starting to pull the money back in circa Feb 2000. The Alan giveth and the Alan taketh away.
    Unfortunately for Sweet Al.

  35. Don Williams:

    So credit for the economy in Clinton’s second term should really go to Pope Gregory XIII –who issued the papal bull “Inter Gravissimas” on Feb 24, 1581 and set up the Y2K trainwreck :

    “quartus vero quisque centesimus bissextilis sit, ita ut annus MDCC, MDCCC, MDCCCC bissextiles non sint. Anno vero MM, more consueto dies bissextus intercaletur, Februario dies XXIX continente, idemque ordo intermittendi intercalandique bissextum diem in quadringentis quibusque annis perpetuo conservetur.”

    Every year that is exactly divisible by four is a leap year, except for years that are exactly divisible by 100; however, the centurial years that are exactly divisible by 400 are still leap years. For example, the years 1700, 1800, and 1900 will not be leap years; the year 2000 will be a leap year.

    http://www.bluewaterarts.com/calendar/NewInterGravissimas.htm

  36. democommie:

    Oh, dear. Don Williams has verborreah,again.

    Don, buddy, verbosity does not equal veracity. Fuck off.

  37. Kevin S:

    Don Williams @35:

    The Y2K panic had nothing to do with 2000 being a leap year. It was about the inability of old software that used two-digit year numbers to correctly handle years beyond 1999. This basic screw up lends so much credibility to your economic analysis of the Clinton administration

  38. dingojack:

    Oh Donny – let’s see.

    Decline Of US Median Household Income to 2011:
    from 1999 peak: 8.88%
    from 2007 peak: 8.14%

    Care to make a revision of your ‘10 to 17% decline over the past ten years‘ statement?

    Dingo

  39. democommie:

    Xenophobia apparently is co-morbid with gunzloonery. I stopped to talk with a neighbor for a moment while Buddy the Wonderdog was walking me last evening and his buddy, out of the blue, said “Nobody’s gonna take MY gunz!”.

    His pal then told me about Obama and Napolitano’s release of 47,000 ILLLEGALS who were ‘sposed to be deported who went on to commit thousands of felonies and kill over 120 people in a few weeks. I told him that I would have to look for that information and asked him where he got it. Silence.

    A quick google turned up a lot of SFNB and this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/fingerprint-deportation-h_n_676611.html

    Given the time frame of about 3 years since the original story hit the presses I am surprised that the numbers aren’t more like 4.7M illegals (every mother’s son of them a serial killin’, dope dealin’, itaid(TM) huffin’, longschlonged whitelady rapin crimnul) who kidnapped, raped, murdered and ate an entire generation of MurKKKan youth, ripping miniature future reptilican voters from the wombs of their mother’s still warm,. violated and mutilated bodies**!!!!!!!!!

    It’s entirely possible that I’m out of the loop on this one but I think that the likelihood of 47,000 ILLEGALS being released from prison escaping the notice of major U.S. media outlets is similar to the likelihood of me getting a date with, well, anybody.

    Don Williams, if he didn’t exist then we’d have to invent him…wait, no, I’m not a masochistic, self-hating piece-of-shit who want to see others like me spewing their bile at a nice, clean, family oriented blog like Ed’s; no FUCKING way am I that person.

    * SKKKrotalMurKKKanPatritotiKKK Front Nonsensical Bullshit

    ** There is some confusion as to whether these perps were in any way connected with Mr. Glennie Bek and his badass orphan killin’ crue.

  40. democommie:

    “dope dealin’, itaid(TM) huffin’, ”

    Should (not so obviously) be

    “dope dealin’, Raid(TM) huffin’,”

    All other information contained in the previous comment is TRUE–I had Ellis Washington, assisted by David Barton, vet the whole thing.

  41. Don Williams:

    Re Kevin S at 37:
    Wrong — 2000 was the first occasion in 400 years in which a century rollover was a leap year.
    That was a more subtle bug to find and fix than the 99 to 00 problem.

  42. dingojack:

    Donnikins – Nope, the reason was because of the use a two digit register in the O/S to describe the date.
    Still I’m sure, Donnikins, you’ll be able to find plenty of credible, authoritative references to prove your point.
    Or will you Gish off, with the goal posts tucked under one arm, as usual. I wonder which…..
    Dingo

  43. Don Williams:

    dingo at 42:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y2k_problem

    “It identifies two problems that may exist in many computer programs.

    Firstly, the practice of representing the year with two digits becomes problematic with logical error(s) arising upon “rollover” from x99 to x00. …

    ….Secondly, some programmers had misunderstood the rule that determines whether years that are exactly divisible by 100 are leap years, and assumed the year 2000 would not be a leap year. Although most years divisible by 100 are not leap years, if they are divisible by 400 then they are. Thus the year 2000 was a leap year.”
    ————-
    The USA’s massive intelligence and military systems are controlled by shelves of detailed technical specifications –changes to which are subject to review by senior officers because of the associated cost impacts. I was working on one of those systems in the 1990s, was tasked with addressing the Y2K problem
    and I still remember the conference where I pointed out the impact of the 416 year old technical specification
    Inter Gravissimas.

    What was you (dingo) doing back then?

  44. Don Williams:

    Re Dingo at 38:

    1) Nope. I referred to REAL median income for WORKING AGE groups. The real income of
    65+ retires has risen somewhat because of Social Security inflation adjustments.

    A bit of good fortune for the elderly which the Tribune of the Little People Obama, the Republicans and the Democrats are looking to fix.

    2) Pew is palming the cards in two ways:
    a) lumping retirees in with workers
    b) using the earlier 1999 instead of the peak year (2000 for most)

    3) Look again at the graphs in the link I provided. Here is more detail:
    http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-by-Age-Brackets.php

  45. dingojack:

    So donnikens what does ‘head of household’ mean?
    I know it’s a tricky one. Take your time.
    Dingo

  46. Don Williams:

    Also for Dingo at 38:

    Here is the raw Census Data. Can you do the math or are you one of those humanities majors?

    http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/household/index.html (Table H-10)

  47. Don Williams:

    Hmmm. I point out the massive disaster that has struck millions of American households –FACTS that have received little mention in the Mainstream News Media — and in response I get is either incoherent nonsense or dingo injecting noise squabbling over trivia. Not the slightest sign anyone gives a damm for those Americans sliding into debt and deep poverty.

    Nothing better illustrates my comments re the true nature of modern liberals and Democrats. And I say that as someone who spent months of my time and my money trying to unseat Republicans during the Bush Cheney era. Someone who worked in Howard Dean’s campaign in 2004 and Obama’s in 2008.

  48. dingojack:

    Donnikens – Nope. You made the claim you show the working. I’m not going to do your homework for you.
    Still waiting of ‘Head of Household’, also no indication of adjusting for inflation in those charts (provided by a investment broker, so no hint of bias there then).
    Try again.
    Dingo

  49. CaitieCat:

    You’re really a putz, Williams, y’know that?

    There are at least three reasons i can think of that no one* bothers to engage with you.

    1) You make the same stupid points on EVERY FUCKING THREAD, whether they have anything to do with the topic or not.

    2) You’re a very inept trapdoor spider in action: we can all see the traps in the cherry-picked stats and carefully-worded ambush questions. You’re not dealing with idiots, and your traps are blatant and unimpressive.

    3) Your clear intent is solely to find a way to trick people into agreeing with you, rather than honestly engaging in a way that doesn’t feel like you’re just waiting to attack. You’re like some jerk in the park, challenging all comers to a fistfight, and badly concealing both the cestus you’re wearing and the cheap-ass poison you bought to put on them.

    And yet, there you are, every fucking thread, back with the same bullshit, and wondering why no one wants to play. You’re not nearly as smart as you think you are, if you can’t recognize the above like the rest of us.

    * Except your fellow participant in The Worst Clown Show in the History of Humanity, slc1. Seriously, you guys should go on radio together. On Eris. With a 5-watt station.

  50. slc1:

    Re Don Williams @ #43

    The only problem with ole Don’s assessment of the year 2000 problem is that, if the main problem was the fact that 2000 was a leap year, it would not have manifested itself until Feb. 29, 2000 so there would have been no deadline of Jan. 1, with was the issue with the 2 digit year. Actually, Apple Computer was unaffected because their years were OK until 2028. The likelihood of any pre-2000 Apple computers still being in operation in 2028 was, to say the least, unlikely.

    Re CaitieCat @ #49

    Ah, ole Don and I have a lot of fun. By the way, Bolshevik Don is, IMHO, based on my interactions with him on Matthew Yglesias’ blog several years ago, a pretty smart guy, just a little mashugana.

  51. Don Williams:

    Dingo at 48:

    The Census Bureau table I pointed you to explicitly states that the income data are adjusted to 2011 dollars. And the Bureau defines its terms. If you have some point to make, make it.

    CaitieCat at 49:
    The Census Bureau data speaks for itself to anyone sincere about the values to which the Democratic Party gives lip service.

  52. slc1:

    Re Don Williams @ #47

    Howard Dean? How could the blogs resident Bolshevik support Dr. Dean, given the ethnicity of his wife? The horror, the horror.

  53. Don Williams:

    SLC at 50:

    CaitieCat thinks the Democratic Party is a slightly larger version of high school Mean Girls. I am evidently supposed to be deeply depressed at the idea she doesn’t like me and I am supposed to tremble in fear at the idea of being ostracized/declared unpopular and not a member of the ruling clique.

    I have to admit this mindset is a pretty good metaphor for the Democratic Party and those who do politics for a living –being sycophants for the billionaires and terrified the gravy train might end.

    Facts, moral principles and reason sounds like gibberish to those who think with the same earthworm mentality as their George W Bush opponent:

    a) “Can these people help me or hurt me?”
    b) “If yes, how can I make them like me?”
    c) “If not then how can I screw them while pretending to like them?

  54. Don Williams:

    SLC at 52:

    1) Haim Saban explained it — didn’t you get the memo?

    “”Did I tell you what Howard Dean told me?” he asked, knowing full well that he had not, at least not yet today. “Do you know how he tells me that he is going to support Israel?” he recounted, with a look of incredulity. “He tells me, ‘Don’t you know my wife is Jewish?’ ”

    Mr. Saban, 59, let out a sharp laugh, pausing for effect, before delivering his punch line. “Do you know what I told him? I said, ‘Governor, the fact that your wife is Jewish is your problem.’ ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/05/business/yourmoney/05sab.html?_r=0

    PS Bill Kristol says you left some water streaks on the windshield of his car. You have till tomorrow to
    fix it. heh heh

  55. slc1:

    Re Don Williams @ #54

    Erik Prince says the last blow job ole Don administered to him terminated prematurely.

  56. CaitieCat:

    Typical fucking USan, with typical fucking focus on the only things that matter to them.

    I’m not a supporter of the Democrats, because I don’t live in your fucking stupid fucked-up country. So you are cordially invited to go back to the pair of bangin’ goats you left in your bedroom, they’re bleating for it, kthxbye.

  57. democommie:

    CaitieCat:

    Wow, I’d a thunk you wuz a US citizen, based on nothing but your command of early 21st century colloquial US invective. I know folks who been here their whole life long and can’t piss on a guy like you just pissed on Dong Williams.

    slc1:

    I am trying to honor your request of a few weeks back to not be too unkind to Don Witless but when all it takes to get him to be the target in a “canned hunt” is a low level taunt (your first comment) there just ain’t much of a thrill.

  58. CaitieCat:

    Wow, I’d a thunk you wuz a US citizen, based on nothing but your command of early 21st century colloquial US invective.

    I was a soldier, once. The word “fuck” is sort of an all-purpose item in the sociolect of soldiers, and having come from a very poor background, it wasn’t exactly rare in my upbringing either. This isn’t far from my “natural” sociolect based on my class and background.

    Of course, too, here in America Lite, we get a LOT of US television. And, I’m a linguist by training, translator by vocation. Language-learning is my first and greatest love. So, yeah…I pick stuff up.

    Not, of course, that it’d be much different here in Soviet Canuckistan, given we speak nominally the same language. Eh.

  59. Don Williams:

    1) So , CaitieCat, are you geared up to help Stephen Harper “defend Canada’s sovereignty” in those international waters known as the Northwest Passage?

    http://thetyee.ca/Views/2006/01/30/DefendNorthwestPassage/

    Rumor has it several US Navy captains pissed themselves laughing in the Officers Club when that news
    came in. After all, our nuclear submarines have been wandering around there for 60 years.

    2) Nice that you are a “linguist by training” — that should help you pick up Russian quickly if our
    military budget cuts ever requires us to withdraw our protection of you in order to protect someplace important.

  60. Don Williams:

    Hmmm. Democommies’ drugs appear to be wearing off –he can almost form complete phrases.

    Better give that crack pipe another hit, Demo.

  61. CaitieCat:

    Лучше было бы держать рот закрытым, чем продолжать с глупами предположеними. Конечно, я говорю по-русски, а какой культурный не может?

    Ou peut-être français?

    Mit Ihrem autoritäre Ader, doch lieber deutsch?

    またはおそらく日本語、ね?

    バカ野郎。

  62. slc1:

    Re Don Williams @ #59

    Considering the length of the border between Canada and the US, allowing the Ruskies or worse the Chinks to take over Canada doesn’t seem like a good idea.

  63. CaitieCat:

    Chinks? Fuck off with your racist shit, will you? Geebus H Unicorn on a pair of sticks.

  64. slc1:

    Re CaitieCat @ #60

    Slopes?

  65. CaitieCat:

    Go blow Williams’ extra goat.

  66. slc1:

    Re CaitieCat @ #65

    Somehow I suspect that Stephen Harper is not CaitieCat’s cup of tea.

  67. Don Williams:

    Hmmm. James Dunnigan rates the US Naval power at 302. Canada, in contrast, is rated at 7. Which means Canada maybe could take on the Greeks — provided they avoided the Straits of Salamis.

    http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/databases/navy/navalforcesoftheworld.asp

    Barber shop quartet:

    “Oh, we don’t want to fight
    But by Jingo if we do
    We’ve got the Ships!
    We’ve got the Men!
    We’ve got the money tooooo”.

  68. Don Williams:

    Re Caitie at 61:

    Mencium belakang saya

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