Worst Response Yet to Obama Win

Of all the incredibly overblown reactions to President Obama winning reelection I’ve seen the last few days, this one may be the most ridiculous. It’s from Eric Dondero, apparently a former Ron Paul staffer. And he thinks you should just eliminate anyone who voted for Obama from your entire life — including divorcing a spouse.

Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.

I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted ‘O’. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.

Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don’t talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere’s.

Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.

And that’s not all. He thinks everyone should stop shopping at any store that accepts food stamps, WIC or any other government payments (I’m sure he doesn’t include businesses that receive massive tax breaks or subsidies, though). And he even says he’s going to protest in front of such stores with a sign that says “EBT is for Welfare Moochers.”

For now, off to my first assignment: Telling all my friends and family who voted for Obama to “fuck off, don’t ever speak to me again you slimeball mother fuckers.” Wish me luck!

I’d say he’s doing them a favor. And in case you think maybe this was just a passing fad, he did an interview with New York magazine where he doubled and tripled down on it:

Let’s say you lose your dog, and a neighbor, who is a Democrat, finds it and brings it back to you. Do you thank him or spit on the ground in front of him?

Tell him to give me my dog, and to get off of my property. And the next time he sees my dog to just let her be. As he’s walking away I might yell out “Obama sucks” a couple times…

A Democratic family member is dying of cancer. He wants you to come visit him in the hospital, which is within walking distance, before he passes. Do you go?

No. Read my original piece. I’m done with any and all Democrats in my life for good. And trust me on this. I’ve just had a pretty intense experience with someone close to me today, someone I’ve known since childhood. It’s hard for me not to respond to this person. Very, very hard. But so far, I’ve held. If there is one person out there who I would break down my rule for it is this person. Lifelong friend. East Coast in fact. It’s been 24 hours and I’m still holding strong. this person read the original piece I wrote. The email response from this individual sits in my in-box. I almost responded twice today. Even started writing the reply. But I pulled back. I am truly hoping that this person sends me an email with the following message in the Subject line: I have left the Democrat Party and will never vote Democrat again.

And it goes on like that. What this guy has revealed is that he is, to quote Christopher Titus, an asshole casserole. His friends, regardless of political position, should really be happy to let him go. He doesn’t deserve friends of any ideology.

136 comments on this post.
  1. Kazim:

    Oh no, hardcore Republicans might become hermits and not have any contact with the outside world ever again. O Woe, Woe Is Us. Stop. Don’t. Come back. Please.

  2. Reginald Selkirk:

    he did an interview with New York magazine

    Did he vet the interviewer first, to be sure they weren’t an Obama voter?

  3. kenbo:

    Boy, reality really hit this guy hard. This seems a bit extreme, even for a fundie. I hope he gets help soon.

    Kenbo

  4. Trebuchet:

    Oh no, hardcore Republicans might become hermits and not have any contact with the outside world ever again. O Woe, Woe Is Us. Stop. Don’t come back. Please.

    I’ve bolded the key part of the message for you, and deleted an extraneous period.

  5. Chiroptera:

    …or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings.

    Unfortunately, the right wing has also made sure that our judicial system operates on this same basic principle.

  6. Larry:

    These guys have been living in The Matrix for far too long. The re-election of Obama was the red pill.

  7. Aratina Cage:

    Homegrown terrorism starts here.

  8. Doug Little:

    Did he vet the interviewer first, to be sure they weren’t an Obama voter?

    He didn’t do his due diligence then, everybody knows that the MSM is in the tank for Obama.

  9. buffybot:

    So that’s at least one of the criteria for identifying a cult.

  10. Who Knows?:

    That’s what happened in my family. A number of my cousins disowned those of us who are Democrats. It’s like, fuck knowing you guys for 60+ years, we don’t know you any more.

    I wish I could say it didn’t bother me, but it did. Quite a bit.

  11. silomowbray:

    This simply a variation of “holding my breath until I turn blue or I get to have my way!”

  12. jasonbowes:

    LOL, Dondero. This clown used to post on the reason.com comment threads back in the mid 2000s, (maybe he still does, I haven’t read them recently) and everyone there thought he was an idiot and a troll then.. Still making friends I see.

  13. andrewjohnston:

    @Reginald Selkirk – From the article:

    So we e-mailed Dondero to see if he’d explain how he’d handle certain hypothetical situations. At first, he told us to “fuck off. And shove your silly little communist rag up your ass.” This seemed fair — after all, talking to the writer of a communist rag is probably a violation of the boycott. A short time later, however, Dondero wrote again, telling us that, on the advice of his co-editor, he would grudgingly answer our questions.

    Ed left out the best part, too – the one where the guy explained that “[doesn't] listen to music by Democrats” and explains the rather elaborate system by which he determines if music is acceptable. This is normally where I’d call Poe, but I know people who do this in real life, so…

  14. imrryr:

    Also from the interview:

    I don’t listen to music by Democrats any more. I try to do some research on the political leanings of those I listen too. Oingo Boingo called themselves “libertarians” in the early 1980s. I listen to them. Neal Peart of Rush called himself an Ayn Randist couple times. I love Rush. I like pro-British patriot Frank Turner out of the UK. The Guardian did a big interview with him over the summer, and he said he was a “libertarian.” And of course, there’s always Ted Nugent, and KISS, both hardline right-libertarians. Marshall Tucker Band, Kid Rock. Did you know lead guitarist for Stealy [sic] Dan is also a rightist. The Lt. Dan Band. Madison Rising is great. Metallica and Motorhead have expressed right leanings in interviews.

    Someone should really send him a link to this interview Neil Peart did with Rolling Stone just this past June.

    Interviewer: “This is somewhat random, but you were interested in the writings of Ayn Rand decades ago. Do her words still speak to you?”
    Neil Peart: “Oh, no. That was 40 years ago.”

    I love picturing this asshole sitting alone in his basement with no friends and nothing but the music of Ted Nugent and Charlie Daniels to listen to.

    Sounds like hell to me.

  15. Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant):

    Well… Okay.

  16. pacal:

    This guy calls himself a libertarian? Shakes head in disbelief! Mitt Romney was in many respects clearly more authoritarian than Obama. Certai8nly in many areas Romney was for greater government interference in peoples lives and for greater coercion being used.

    I suspect that this guys “Libertarianism” stopped with his bank account. In other words Mitt Romney will probably cut my taxes and nothing else matters.

  17. raven:

    Guy does not seem to be very well balanced mentally. In other words, fruitbat crazy.

    He also comes across as a future mall shooter of America type, a hater barely in control right now.

    Why in the hell don’t these kooks find a xian Looneytarian paradise somewhere and join it?

    It would be a win win situation. They could worship Ayn Rand 24/7 and we would be rid of a drag on our society.

    Of course such a Randian/Paulian paradise doesn’t exist. It’s right there next to the communist paradise and down the street from the fundie paradise. In other words, only in their dark and empty fantasies.

  18. glodson:

    Wow. What an asshole.

    Sorry, wish I had something else to add, but I think that sums up my thoughts on this quite well.

  19. raven:

    For now, off to my first assignment: Telling all my friends and family who voted for Obama to “fuck off, don’t ever speak to me again you slimeball mother fuckers.” Wish me luck!

    OK. Good luck.

    It really would be best for everyone if Eric Dondero crawled under a rock and never, ever came out again.

    It would be so worth it, we should all kick in some Randian money and food so he doesn’t have to.

  20. eurosid:

    This mentality is horrific.

    My uncle did this to my mother 3 weeks ago. He told her he would never speak to her again because she was planning to vote Democrat.

    I have admired my uncle for his good nature and good character all my life. I am stunned at this behavior. So far, he is adamant about this. My mother is heartbroken because her only brother shuns her.

    Extended family: destroyed. Good job, Uncle Mike. Nice “Family Values”.

  21. Who Knows?:

    Well, here’s his problem.

    From one of his responses on the blog.

    That said, on Romney I think you’re dead wrong. He was the ideal candidate for Republicans. We couldn’t have done any better. Good looking, hot lookin’ wife. Well spoken

    He’s a motherfucking idiot.

  22. parkjames:

    Ayn Rand would be proud of this asshole. I bet he thinks his dog earred copy of Atlas Shrugged is a history book, not just a horrendous, horse shit novel.

  23. DaveL:

    Don’t forget, if you ever come across a ballot with a check box for a Democratic candidate, just refuse to vote entirely.

  24. Akira MacKenzie:

    As repugnant as this creep’s politics are, I can’t exactly throw stones at his desire to severe ties with Obama-supporters. I don’t want a damn thing to do with the right-wing, Bible-humping, openly racist and homophobic members of my family and those who vote Republican are certainly no friends of mine.

  25. NitricAcid:

    And how does this intend to make a living without dealing with Democrats?

  26. Raging Bee:

    Given that libertarians have been demonizing and lying about us liberals since 1978, I’d say shutting up and ignoring us would be an improvement. At least they’d be giving us the same respect they give the Universe in general.

  27. Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort:

    @Akira:

    There’s a difference, though, between severing ties with horrid people and severing them with people who vote a certain way.

  28. eoraptor013:

    Akira MacKenzie @24

    Most of my family are from AZ, UT, TX, and OK. I don’t want anything to do with their politics, and I studiously refrain from talking politics with them — to the point of leaving the room if that’s what everyone else is talking about.

    But… They’re still my family. OTOH, I don’t know what I’d do if we got to the point where we couldn’t agree to disagree.

  29. Raging Bee:

    PS: remember when libertarians used to pretend they were separate and independent from Republicans? This asshat is just one more data-point showing they’re not. What a surprise that turned out not to be.

  30. mouse:

    Take a look at this one: Murray Coal company fires 150 workers in the face of a declining coal market; blames Obama for the non-existent “war on coal,” then wraps it all up in a despicably insincere prayer: http://grist.org/news/fired-coal-miner-shares-letter-from-evil-coal-boss-with-the-world/

  31. Raging Bee:

    Good looking, hot lookin’ wife.

    Hope their sex has Randian majesty.

  32. Buzz Saw:

    They are in short, the enemies of liberty.

    Yeah…this seems all too typical of Libertarians, in my experience.
    1) What about the “free market” that Libertarians seem to love so much? The “market” chose Obama. (The question, then, is does he think this market is free?)
    2) Liberty: “The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one’s own choosing.”
    What about the liberty of those voters to vote for Obama? People used their liberty to vote. He doesn’t like their choice. So what does he do? Punishes people for that choice. Isn’t that kind of being against liberty? Does Dondero know how to spell “hypocrite”?

  33. cswella:

    Of course such a Randian/Paulian paradise doesn’t exist. It’s right there next to the communist paradise and down the street from the fundie paradise. In other words, only in their dark and empty fantasies.

    Between Gangsta Paradise and Amish Paradise?

  34. godlesspanther:

    Let’s say that Eric’s dog turns out to be a Democrat.

    But seriously — I’m thinking that anger management classes may be appropriate.

  35. typecaster:

    The main thing that occurs to me about people like this is that they’re completely missing the whole point of what politics is about. If you don’t talk to people about conflicting ideas, how in the world can you hope that they might come to agree with you? Ever since the Republicans in Congress decided that even talking to the folks across the aisle was unacceptable, the right has given up on trying to convince others to join them – either you are right with the Right, or you’re a heathen damned to political Limbo (almost typed Limbaugh, but that’s just silly). This is, actually, what gives me the most hope for the future. Movements that get this extreme can’t attract any but the already converted. It’s like the Irish Elk, doomed to extinction because the ever-larger antlers needed to attract mates became too heavy to allow the animal to survive.

  36. Aratina Cage:

    We couldn’t have done any better. Good looking, hot lookin’ wife.

    Saw that, too. Who would have guessed that he is also a creepy sexist pig on top of being an asshole?

  37. naturalcynic:

    It really would be best for everyone if Eric Dondero crawled under a rock and never, ever came out again.

    It would be so worth it, we should all kick in some Randian money and food so he doesn’t have to.

    He couldn’t, in good [uh] conscience accept food or money. That might be considered welfare. It would be OK if it were considered payment for his performance art.

  38. David Marjanović:

    Why in the hell don’t these kooks find a xian Looneytarian paradise somewhere and join it?

    Oh, some are trying. In Dondero’s own words:

    Secondly, today starts a new course for my life. I’ve soured on electoral politics given what happened last night. I believe now the best course of action is outright revolt. What do I mean by that?

    Well, to each his own. Some may choose to push secession in their state legislatures. Others may choose to leave the U.S. for good (Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel). Still others may want to personally separate themselves from the United States here in North America while still living under communist rule’ the Glenn Beck, grab your guns, food storage, build bunkers, survivalist route. I heartily endorse all these efforts.

    That list of countries is mind-blowingly hilarious. Hey, at least the communist dictature of China lacks universal health insurance!!!

  39. Aratina Cage:

    @Who Knows?

    That’s what happened in my family. A number of my cousins disowned those of us who are Democrats. It’s like, fuck knowing you guys for 60+ years, we don’t know you any more.

    Almost had the same thing happen to me but the guy ended up rage-quitting Facebook for “four years” instead of totally disowning us Democrats (mostly just me). He did manage to call us all idiots, though, and suggested that we only voted for the president because he is Black. Surprised the hell out of me. I didn’t know people loved Romney so much (just kidding–I know it isn’t Romney but their hatred of Obama that is really causing all of this).

  40. David Marjanović:

    It’s like the Irish Elk, doomed to extinction because the ever-larger antlers needed to attract mates became too heavy to allow the animal to survive.

    There’s no evidence that this actually happened. Hunting probably played a big role, and the span (rather than weight) of the antlers may have posed a problem in middle latitudes when the ice age ended and the forests expanded.

  41. David Marjanović:

    and suggested that we only voted for the president because he is Black.

    Translation: the rage-quitting guy only voted for Rmoney because Rmoney is not Black.

    Oh well.

  42. Christoph Burschka:

    Yes please.

  43. screechymonkey:

    The comments section is beautiful, too (as some of you already know, judging by the quotes). He shows up a few times to alternately scream at the liberals mocking him and scream at his fellow libertarians who are trying to talk him off the ledge.

    And yes, I too wonder if we’re not going to hear this guy’s name again in the next mass shooting story.

  44. shouldbeworking:

    Every American has the right to vote the way they’re told. I must have missed that section in the constitution.

  45. matty1:

    This is the sickness of extremism. Here it is politics – another time it could be religion, sport – almost anything. Modern society needs both abstract ideas and large organisations to function but these things are built on actual human beings and if you start to value the abstraction/organisation more than actual people you are missing the point.

    I predict Mr Dondero will either forget his hysteria or escalate it to the point where he has to live in an isolated cave “I can’t speak to you, there isn’t enough evidence to prove you aren’t distantly related to someone who once spoke to someone else who voted for Obama”. Finally he will ostracise himself for being born on the same planet.

  46. left0ver1under:

    That’s the worst? I beg to differ:

    http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/11/seen-in-alabama.html

  47. dugglebogey:

    I once saw a child throw a temper tantrum because he didn’t get his way.

    The child was much more reasonable than this douche.

  48. tacitus:

    Looks like Dondero hasn’t quite gotten the hang of “going Galt” yet.

  49. Reginald Selkirk:

    From the comments:

    Chuck said…
    I have a message for America.
    Fuck You.
    November 7, 2012 9:24 AM

    They just don’t come any more patriotic than that.

  50. gshevlin:

    Eric Dondero can call himself a libertarian until Hell freezes over, but I can tell you that most real libertarians would, on the basis of this pile of cack, simply describe him as a small-minded, self-absorbed authoritarian wanker.

  51. Akira MacKenzie:

    But… They’re still my family.

    Some people are related to me? So the fuck what?

    I don’t see how sharing a few chromosomes makes one human being or group more important or different than any other. It certainly doesn’t excuse them for having socially backward and factually wrong viewpoints and acting upon them in the voting booth.

    Conservatives keep screaming about how progressives are out to “destroy the family.” Well good, it’s about time! No institution has done more than spread emotional dysfunction and bigotry than “the family.” People who want to reproduce should do so without the slavery of “commitment” and be free to pursue their own lives without having to care for a crying, screaming, shitting-and-pissing, blob of flesh. Meanwhile, the children are raised by the state without inheriting their parent’s baggage. Everyone wins!

  52. Akira MacKenzie:

    EDIT: “…makes one human being or group thereof more important…”

  53. Reginald Selkirk:

    From the interview:

    John Lennon’s personal aide in his last few weeks of life, was interviewed last year, and said that he turned into a Reaganite in the last few months before he was killed. Isn’t that ironic?

    I bet he’d really like to believe that. It comes from an extremely reliable source (roll-eyes).
    John Lennon was a closet Reagan Republican claims former assistant

  54. Zugswang:

    The sad thing is, this has been an increasingly popular attitude amongst a lot of people, but especially among conservatives. Without exposure to alternate viewpoints that don’t come in the form of strawmen, many Americans continue to inoculate themselves against divergent viewpoints by building a cocoon of ideological purity that can only be penetrated by the most absurd and unrealistic of counterpoints, which only serve to give a false assurance of sound political principles.

  55. rory:

    I would be totally fine with Dondero and his ilk either decamping for other countries (sorry, rest of world!) or hiding in bunkers in Idaho with their canned goods and firearms. I could probably also live with them dedicating all their energy to pushing for secession in their state governments, as I assume that would keep them busy while the grown ups try to get things done.

    Seriously, guys, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

  56. Giliell, Approved Straight Chorus:

    I read that thing yesterday (along with some other of equal “value”) and I’m seriously concerned about the lives and health of innocent Americans. No, I don’t believe another civil war will happen (unlike them), but I fear that some of them might take their beloved guns and go on a real-world rant.
    I haven’t forgotten Gabbie Giffords…

  57. Jasper of Maine (I feel safe and welcome at FTB):

    Just breathe, man. Just breathe!

  58. Raging Bee:

    If you don’t talk to people about conflicting ideas, how in the world can you hope that they might come to agree with you?

    I suspect that this guy’s tantrum is driven, in large part, by the realization that for libertarians, talking to people isn’t working anymore — we’re all starting to see through their carefully-crafted scam. So they’re doing what any competent con-man would do: stop talking to people who aren’t buying your schtick.

  59. Reginald Selkirk:

    A comment from the New York interview:

    Gradivus
    Such anger doesn’t just come from anti-Obama people–I’ve seen more from the other side. The projection of animus against Romney onto his supporters, the “unfriending” and vehement animosity expressed on Facebook and elsewhere, even after the election is over, against those who supported or voted for Romney, has been astounding.

    Really? I haven’t seen even one example of that myself.

  60. Raging Bee:

    …but I can tell you that most real libertarians would…

    The “No True Scotsman” dodge? Really?!

  61. typecaster:

    There’s no evidence that this actually happened. Hunting probably played a big role, and the span (rather than weight) of the antlers may have posed a problem in middle latitudes when the ice age ended and the forests expanded.

    Damn, a perfectly good metaphor ruined by a wiseacre with more actual, y’know, knowledge. Sorry, I was remembering an article on the subject read years ago. Looking up Stephan Jay Gould’s article about the Irish Elk, the extinction was most likely related to not adapting to the tundra-like conditions that existed during one of the glaciations, rather than antler size itself. I sit corrected, and thanks for pointing it out.

    Still, the underlying metaphor is apt. It’s possible to get into developmental cul-de-sacs where a previously adaptive characteristic (group loyalty in this case) becomes non-adaptive due to changing circumstances. I’m hoping that this is what’s going on at the moment with the wingers.

    Plus, the idea of libertarians thinking that ever-purer ideology will help them get women is just funny.

  62. Giliell, Approved Straight Chorus:

    Oh, and on the funny side:

    Some may choose to push secession in their state legislatures. Others may choose to leave the U.S. for good (Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel).

    I was having great fun imagining those arrogant American libertarians in Italy. Wait, people speak Italian? Why the fuck don’t they speak English like civilized people. Where’s my translator? And then they manage to accuse somebody loudly of being a communist and the other person just says “No, that’s not a communist, I should know ’cause I am”, and nobody freaks out at all

  63. Akira MacKenzie:

    Wait, people speak Italian?

    I believe it’s pronounced “Eye-talian.”

  64. georgebean:

    So Obama supporters are to be banished as suppressive persons? So those crazy rumors were true all along! Ron Paul’s supporters are members of a creepy cult!

  65. jakc:

    So, who’s going to tell Eric he can’t shop at Wal Mart or Sam’s Club? That’s going to hurt.

  66. Chiroptera:

    David Marjanović, #38: Others may choose to leave the U.S. for good (Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel).

    Speaking for my fellow non-crazy Americans to our cousins in Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel: we’re very, very sorry. Please don’t hate us.

  67. Gregory in Seattle:

    As an aspiring science fiction writer, a few years ago I started blocking out a future history. Because I needed a reason to pull the US out of the First Resource War (well, WW III, but the media was terrified of that name for some reason) and decided that civil war was the best course of action. So in 2020, a disputed presidential election breaks out into the war that the hard right has been promising for years, resulting in several states seceeding to become the Federation of New England in the northeast and Pacifica in the west. The now diminished United States, left to the Tea Party ideologs and wannabe theocrats, becomes a pariah nation.

    Hearing all the rhetoric actually coming from the right nowadays, I’m starting desperately to hope that I was writing just science fiction.

  68. md:

    Someone noticed upthread, but this guy hasn’t been taken seriously by libertarians for at least five years. He worked for RP for a while and quit, as publicly as he could manage, during the ’08 campaign over Ron’s lack of enthusiasm for conducting war for Israels benefit. He endorsed (snicker) Guiliani or McCain in 08 primary, can’t remember which, but neither particularly libertarian.

  69. hexidecima:

    Everyone who knows Eric and doesn’t obey him, rejoice! At least you won’t have to hear from a pompous twit. And Eric, be careful! That cashier might be a “enemy of liberty”! That waitress may have disagreed with you! Time to hide in your house, Eric lest you become less “pure”.

  70. Scott Hanley:

    I have extremely conservative relatives and knowing them helps to keep me sane. Not because I agree with any of their perspective, but it forces me to remember that even people with horrible politics are not universally horrible people. I can see conservatives as utter monsters if I think of abstract mobs, instead of the individuals I know. Really, it’s healthier to feel sad for people you love than to be uncontrollably angry at them.

  71. Modusoperandi:

    screechymonkey “And yes, I too wonder if we’re not going to hear this guy’s name again in the next mass shooting story.”
    Naw. More like:
    “Police seek man who cut off own nose to spite others’ faces”

  72. Raging Bee:

    It turns out this Dondero or Donderhead guy is a good friend of pathological lying tax-cheat Irwinn Schiff. Or so he claims at least. Check out his latest comments if you have time — he’s fucking nuts in more ways than just promising not to talk to Democrats (then incessantly coming back to talk to us).

  73. md:

    reginald Selkirk,

    Here’s an article with some quotes from that final Lennon interview. I read you can listen to it yourself on Itunes if you find this source unpleasant.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/stop-imagining/

  74. Synfandel:

    “elsewhere’s”?

  75. baal:

    @ akira:”Meanwhile, the children are raised by the state without inheriting their parent’s baggage.”<– Um, States do a terrible job of rearing children. The usual method is foster families. Were we to follow your suggestion, we'd need a new system.

    I was interested to see what would be worst. B-Skillet's is fairly awful (tl;dr of his argument, women are sluts and slutty for wanting obama in the white house, 'cause you know sluts. (misogyny in original, I hardly do it justice).

    Eric Dondero's screed points out the problem of 'purity'. When you go for pure, you ignore the context and stop weighting fact properly. Don't be pure, consider facts on their own merits (being on the right side is not enough).

  76. dmcclean:

    Break up with them without haste.

    If you don’t know what haste means, dude, maybe you shouldn’t be trying to use it to look smart. Consider consulting a dictionary.

  77. dmcclean:

    Also, asshole, it’s called the Democratic Party. Get it right.

  78. Gretchen:

    I’m wondering if Raging Bee recognizes the irony of the fact that he sounds very much like Dondero, only replacing “Democrats” with “libertarians.”

  79. magistramarla:

    Sadly, it has happened in my family, too.
    My daughter is married to a beer-swilling Texas Redneck.
    This kid only passed his high school classes by using credit retrieval, and he had the nerve to call our former Harvard Law Review editor President an “idiot”.
    Now, even my daughter is spouting conservative talking points on her facebook. Her Dad and older sister (a neurobiologist) corrected some of her glaringly wrong statements. Now she is extremely mad at most of the family.
    She wasn’t this bad before – I’m thinking Stockholm Syndrome.

  80. leni:

    Dmcclean- I was wondering about that one too. I wondered if he meant to make it slow and painful or if he was just being a dumbass. I settled on dumbass.

    Anyway, this isn’t just overblown and ridiculous, it’s totally unhinged.

    I’m guessing his liberal “friends” are probably all sighing in relief. And locking their doors at night.

  81. Reginald Selkirk:

    magistramarla #79: This kid only passed his high school classes by using credit retrieval…

    What? Corrupt teachers now accept credit cards? I would think that cash would be less traceable.

  82. composer99:

    I feel very sorry for Dondero. I can’t imagine feeling that degree of hatred against other people, and I can only conjecture that it is very unhealthy (in an emotional/relationship sense).

    Not saying there aren’t people I hate or loathe – there certainly are. But taking ostracism to that level is just… well, I find it incomprehensible.

    That said, I daresay it’s probably a case where Dondero’s character flaw in this case is a difference in degree from everyone else, rather than a difference in kind, even if an extraordinarily glaring one.

  83. Moggie:

    David Marjanović:

    That list of countries is mind-blowingly hilarious.

    Anyone disillusioned with US politics who suggests a move to Italy is either a comedian or amazingly badly informed. Italy has many fine qualities, but admirable government is not among them.

  84. beergoggles:

    Well to be fair I would have divorced my spouse if he voted for Romney or really any republican. No self-respecting gay person should be voting for anyone in that party at this point.

    But then again this is Dondero who has never really come across as an entirely sane person in forever.. he just seems like he’s further along the reality denying axis than even your run of the mill republicans.

  85. tomh:

    @ 50
    most real libertarians would, on the basis of this pile of cack, simply describe him as a small-minded, self-absorbed authoritarian wanker.

    Real libertarians? There’s a difference?

  86. anubisprime:

    Yowser’s that was a tantrum and a quarter!

    The dude is genuinely unbalanced, seriously suspect.
    That is not just disappointment and a little anger that is pure unadulterated, verging on incoherent, hatred.
    It would be advisable for even Republicans to keep out of his path.

  87. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–:

    beergoggles:

    Well to be fair I would have divorced my spouse if he voted for Romney or really any republican. No self-respecting gay person should be voting for anyone in that party at this point

    Would it ever get to that point?
    What I mean is, wouldn’t you (or anyone) have a decent idea of the political leanings of their spouse well before they have the opportunity to vote? Wouldn’t you have found out during the early days of dating? If, as some people feel, political affiliations are enough to rip apart relationships, shouldn’t that have happened before election day?
    (I wholeheartedly agree with your second sentence. There was no way I was going to vote for Romney based on his regressive social position on homosexuals and women; not mention his economic and foreign policy “plans”).

  88. lorn:

    A Libertarian is frustrated that people won’t play the games the way he wants. So … shocked, I’m shocked I tell you … he decides to withdrawal and have a good sulk … that will show them all. In the popular parlance of Libertarians it is termed ‘going Galt’. In the book it surely leads to the breakdown of the economic system, and, presumably, the crushing of wider population of leeches. Who, after suffering long and hard, either die off, become born-again Libertarians, or come crawling back to the ubermensch after accepting their inferior roles as slaves and underlings.

    Of course it seldom works out that way in real life. Unless he has some unique and highly valuable talent or skill, like the ability to squat and shoot gold bricks out his ass, I think he is going to find it hard to keep or gain employment.

    Will he, like Ayn Rand, faced with the contradiction of her rhetoric versus their financial reality, accept welfare?

  89. Reginald Selkirk:

    Off-topic: Anders Behring Breivik’s prison conditions ‘inhumane’

  90. hunter:

    Well. How terribly adult of him.

    Oh, that’s right — he’s a libertarian.

  91. Nick Gotts (formerly KG):

    Let’s say that Eric’s dog turns out to be a Democrat. – godlesspanther

    Almost all dogs are RWAs.

  92. katie:

    The more Libertarians go Galt, the more they improve society. Really, it’s the best thing they could do.

  93. Nick Gotts (formerly KG):

    Eric Dondero can call himself a libertarian until Hell freezes over, but I can tell you that most real libertarians would, on the basis of this pile of cack, simply describe him as a small-minded, self-absorbed authoritarian wanker. – gshevlin

    And I can tell you that no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

  94. Randomfactor:

    Let’s hope that, should this guy have a major automobile accident, they’ve perfected that party-matching blood typing by then. Hate for him to receive DONATED blood by mistake.

  95. magistramarla:

    Reginald @ #81
    LOL – Credit retrieval is another scam that the high schools in Texas are using to make it look like they have high passing rates. The kids do nothing in class all semester, and if their grades and/or attendance are just too low for the administration to force the teacher to change the failing grade, the “student” then has two choices. He can either “make up” the entire semester in six weeks of summer school (which is a real crock), or he can choose “credit retrieval”. He then gets to go to a computer lab before school, after school or during study hall to “study” the class online and then “passes” the online test, with the “help” of teachers who are assigned to that computer lab.
    As a hard-working classroom teacher, I truly resented that scam.

  96. Gretchen:

    @93 Except that a) the claim wasn’t that Dondero isn’t a true libertarian, strictly speaking, and b) “authoritarian” and “libertarian” are words with meanings, and they are opposed to each other. Normally I am on the side of allowing people to label themselves, but if somebody is dressed up in a fur suit claiming he’s a gorilla and all of the gorillas agree he’s not, I’m tempted to side with them rather than him.

  97. marcus:

    So it’s like a total win/win. You get both Romney and this asshole out of your life.

  98. magistramarla:

    Oh look, Dondero isn’t the only one:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/peter-morrison-texas-divorce_n_2100165.html
    Why am I not surprised that this wingnut is in Texas?

  99. Markita Lynda—threadrupt:

    Did segregationists go on like this after interracial marriage was legalized?

    Bile, spittle, venom!

    I take comfort in the fact that the steaming pile of website BS has garnered, from the entire world in six years of blogging, only 332 members.

  100. Amphiox:

    You know, this reaction from Dondero has just so brilliant encapsulated and illustrated the entire libertarian ethos (it’s all about me, and everyone else can go to hell, human relations are for the weak), it’s

    almost

    beautiful.

    *
    *

    On the other hand, the smaller Dondero’s social network, the less effective an advocate he will be for his particularly odious political affiliations. How many votes will this be worth to the Democrats in the years going forward? Three? Five? Fifteen?

    So, as a Democratic sympathizer I have just this to say to Dondero:

    Go riiggghhhttt on ahead, my man.

  101. beergoggles:

    @ #87 Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    I really hope not. But I have seen several relationships crash and burn when one spouse suddenly converted to some crazy belief system. There’s of course the well known case of Miller v. Jenkins where one spouse converts to fundy xtianity and then kidnaps their child. I have personally had one very good friend have his fiance abducted and brainwashed by his parents and their church to the point where he broke off the engagement with his prospective husband-to-be and completely cut off all contact. In another instance one of my friends was converted to Jehovas Witness and renounced his wife because she wouldn’t convert as well. Thankfully she got custody of the kids.

    So it’s not improbable to have people that you thought you knew suddenly change drastically to the complete collapse of a relationship.

  102. F:

    Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend…

    Imagine their sighs of relief.

    Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted ‘O’. Divorce them.

    Because as a libertarian of my ilk, you are obviously a hetero male or a lesbian?

    Break up with them without haste.

    Do it slowly, tortuously. Or maybe I said that wrong.

    don’t talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes.

    This may be a bit of evidence for the latter.

    take their business elsewhere’s.

    Looking like a pattern. I think I meant “with haste”.

    Telling all my friends and family who voted for Obama to “fuck off, don’t ever speak to me again you slimeball mother fuckers.” Wish me luck!

    More power to you, dumbass. I think I can hear everyone cheering you on. They’re just waiting for you to cut off contact. Do it! Do it! Do it!

    It’s been 24 hours and I’m still holding strong.

    Oh, do please try to hold yourself together. For your sake and ours.

  103. Lyle:

    I am truly hoping that this person sends me an email with the following message in the Subject line: I have left the Democrat Party and will never vote Democrat again.

    A.K.A. “I’m going to hold my relationships with other people hostage until they accept my political values as the true and correct ones.”

  104. Raging Bee:

    …b) “authoritarian” and “libertarian” are words with meanings, and they are opposed to each other.

    Except in the libertarian lexicon, where words mean what THEY say they mean, no more and no less; where small-time authoritarianism is “libertarian;” and government efforts to enforce the people’s legal rights are “authoritarian.”

  105. John Pieret:

    From the article:

    I plan to make up a bunch of buttons, and wear them around town, sayings like “Democrats are Communist Pigs,” or “Welfare moochers steal from hard-working Americans,” “Only Nazis support Seat Belt laws” or “No Smoking Ban: Nanny-Staters go Fuck Yourselves.”

    Because, after all buttons are so effective as political/social activism. I think the source of this guy’s problem is that he thinks spewing spittle is the same as reforming society.

    I hopes he remembers to make up the buttion “I am an emotionally crippled hysterically dramatic moron.”

  106. Dalillama, Schmott Guy:

    So, who’s going to tell Eric he can’t shop at Wal Mart or Sam’s Club? That’s going to hurt.

    I don’t think he can shop anywhere. I don’t remember the last time I saw a food seller that didn’t take EBT.

  107. Chiroptera:

    You think Dondero is pissed now? Just wait until Obama forces him to gay marry!

  108. dingojack:

    My dear Eric,
    Before you go the full-galt consider this: it only works if a lot of people join in.
    If you will only talk to those who are as racially politically pure as yourself then the withdrawal of your services, a kind of social boycott if you will, is going to be too small to have an effect on society as a whole.
    This will be because
    a) few will join in, therefore society will easily replace them with others. There are almost no individuals in the modern world that have ‘critical skills’, those that do will be reluctant to leave society to live in the wilderness where they won’t get paid and their ‘critical skill’ is useless (being a neurosurgeon doesn’t train you to find water in the desert).
    b) no new members will be recruited so your movement won’t grow and gain momentum, indeed you’ll simply fade out of the public’s, and your ideal recuit’s, consciousness.
    And
    c) the group will fragment because of tension within the group over perceived levels ‘purity’ and ‘commitment to the cause’.

    However if you should wish to continue on this course of action, I hear Death Valley is a suitable area to toughen up the inner randian-superman.

    Good luck (you’re going to need it),
    Dingo

  109. Amphiox:

    I hopes he remembers to make up the buttion “I am an emotionally crippled hysterically dramatic moron.”

    It would be redundant.

    All his other buttons are already saying this anyways.

  110. dingojack:

    New dictionary definition:

    Histrionic – see Eric Dondero.

    :) Dingo

  111. siveambrai:

    I’m only angry he made me look up Frank Turner’s politics and that I share a music favorite with this guy. Turner is 1) originally self identified as an anarchist 2) using the term libertarian more in the European sense than the US one it seems to me (which would totally blow this dudes mind).

  112. nohellbelowus:

    Poor widdle Eric Dondero

    Stupid and hung like a sparrow

    Tweeted and cried

    But still could not hide

    His skill sucking bones with no marrow

  113. Giliell, Approved Straight Chorus:

    Well, the hilarious thing about them moving to other countries would be that they would be immigrants and that indeed, not all countries would want to have them. A bit stupid to think that because you could go on a holiday there with no red tape that you could live there as well.
    Immigrants, no right to vote, totally depending on other people deciding for you, having to pay taxes that are mostly higher than the USA (like a serious amount of VAT on everything) and in Italy finally having the Gardia confiscate their car for not wearing seatbelts (I kid you not, they can do that and they love to do that especially if they think you’re an arrogant rich foreigner)

  114. dingojack:

    nohellbelowus – ‘to suck a bone without marrow’ what a neat euphamism. I’m so stealing that.
    But I think I’ll go with a slightly more obscure version, howabout: ‘Sýcđ meargleas lendenbān’* or perhaps ‘ossa concreta assūgit’**, what do you think?
    Dingo
    —–
    * Anglo-saxon/ Old English.
    ** Latin.

  115. Ace of Sevens:

    @106: He could probably shop at farmers’ markets, but those have close ties to the local foods movement and tend to be full of liberals. He may just have to find a gas station that works and live off of Ho Hos, Slim Jims and Icees.

  116. dingojack:

    Or even ‘meargleas lendenbansocen’ = marrowless groin-bone sucking.
    :) Dingo

  117. Dalillama, Schmott Guy:

    @115
    All the Farmers Markets around here take EBT too. That may vary regionally, though.

  118. Ace of Sevens:

    From the comments: “What you fail to understand Henry is that it’s all the same to us libertarians; Nazi, communist, liberal, socialist. Who the fuck cares. All y’all are pro-big government.”

    That sums up my problems with so many libertarians. He left out conservative, because their brand of big government doesn’t count, but otherwise things that all non-libertarians are the same.

  119. dingojack:

    “…all y’all…”? Who knew libertarians could yodel?
    ;) Dingo

  120. Giliell, Approved Straight Chorus:

    You know, they all want small government, so small it fits neatly into a woman’s vagina ;)

  121. Ace of Sevens:

    Things don’t nee to be all that small to fit into a woman’s vagina, but they may be unaware of this.

  122. Moggie:

    John Pieret:

    Because, after all buttons are so effective as political/social activism.

    I thought political buttons were pretty cool – when I was a teenager. Everything this guy writes sounds like he’s never outgrown adolescence. Seems that not uncommon among libertarians.

  123. dingojack:

    He should enjoy Italy. The Italian phrase for the office of a political leader or top-level executive is ‘la stanza dei bottoni‘, the room with the buttons.
    Dingo

  124. Giliell, Approved Straight Chorus:

    Everything this guy writes sounds like he’s never outgrown adolescence. Seems that not uncommon among libertarians.

    Only that teenagers have a solid scientific excuse for being a bit short on reasoning skills. I’m wondering what’s their excuse

  125. mikecline:

    Shouldn’t anyone in his position first question whether or not he successfully communicated his point of view or not. Has the guy been directly targeting these people with his propaganda? Did it fail, did he fail, or is his target audience too smart? When one believes stuff as stupid as this guy does, one day reality will knock you silly.

  126. DaveL:

    While we’re on the subject of ridiculous responses to Obama’s win, Karl Rove has just given an interview in which he opines Romney lost due to voter suppression on Obama’s part. Now that’s chutzpah.

  127. John Pieret:

    Moggie @122

    This is as good an explanation of the phenomenon as I’ve seen:

    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

  128. azportsider:

    Buzz Saw @ 32: “He doesn’t like their choice. So what does he do? Punishes people for that choice.”

    I dunno, Buzz. It hardly sounds like punishment to have this horse’s ass out of your life.

  129. Rodney Nelson:

    Because Obama won I’m going to hold my breath until I turn blue, stomp my feet really hard, and whine loudly. Then you’ll all be sorry you didn’t vote for Romney. So there! NYAH! :-b

  130. Uncle Glenny:

    DaveL

    While we’re on the subject of ridiculous responses to Obama’s win, Karl Rove has just given an interview in which he opines Romney lost due to voter suppression on Obama’s part. Now that’s chutzpah.

    IIRC, Obama did so by, basically, running a campaign.

    —-

    Apparently there was a wingnut meltdown in my local supermarket a couple days ago. I didn’t get a really detailed description. My housemate works as a cashier there. At an adjacent cashier, she started some kind of conversation with her cashier while checking out, and then just went non-linear, in the panicked, woe-is-me, style, rattling off a litany of wingnut talking points disasters that included Obamacare.

    My housemate is older, shall we say multi-ethnic, very liberal, and politically savvy (e.g., he’s done voting work and union organizing, and we keep ourselves up-to-date on wingnut freak outs). He’s also particularly sensitive about the RomneyCare Obamacare issue. He lost it, in a contained, verbal way (no f-bombs).

    I guess she was sufficiently through the checkout process that she just left; he did say that he was passingly concerned they would have to call the cops on her, and no manager was present at that moment nor appeared after (meaning no staff called).

    It is, by the way, a unionized store, although you wouldn’t know it (I don’t know how prevalent that is in supermarkets out here in the land of gay marriage and RomneyCare).

  131. raven:

    But I have seen several relationships crash and burn when one spouse suddenly converted to some crazy belief system.

    QFT.

    I’ve seen it happen a few times too. Mostly in younger people who are just developing into adults, which can take many decades, mentally at least.

    One of the more dramatic was a grad school engaged couple. The girl suddenly disappeared. It turned out the Moonies got her and the guy never saw her again.

    Hitchens: Religion poisons everything.
    Religion has been splitting families and friends apart since it was invented.

    In the cults like Mormonism, JW’s, fundies etc., when you escape you frequently leave all your friends and family behind. One of the signs of an abusive cult is how hard it is to get out of it.

  132. Reginald Selkirk:

    Kristen Neel: I’m moving to Australia because their president is a Christian and actually supports what he says.

  133. dingojack:

    Reginald Selkirk – Firstly :D, and secondly, Peter FitzSimons reported in the Sunday SMH today that someone here responded to the barrage of ‘I’m moving to Oz’ tweets thusly:
    “Anyone saying they are moving to Australia if Obama wins can stay right where they are. We are already at maximum fuckwit occupancy”.

    Dingo
    —–
    I would have said either:
    “‘We decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances in which they come’ – former PM John Howard”.
    or
    “On behalf of the Australian people I say: ‘welcome to the island Republic of Nauru’, take a number and we’ll get back to you (in a couple of years)”.

  134. ambulocetacean:

    I’m thinking of moving to New Zealand because of this Obama thing. But since I live in Australia it’s not that big a deal.

    Actually, that’s a complete lie. I only intend to go to NZ on a geriatric bus tour, if I live that long.

  135. birgerjohansson:

    “Almost all dogs are RWAs”

    If you read “Get Fuzzy”, it is fairly obvious Satchel is a Democrat, Rob is a liberal and Bucky Katt is an unhinged Tea Party supporter.

    But Satchel was born in Canada, so maybe he is not a True American Dog.

  136. dcsohl:

    John Pieret @ 127: You should cite the original source of that quote: http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2009/03/ephemera-2009-7.html (John Rogers).

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