Yes, Lee Duigon, I Am Your Enemy


Lee Duigon is a Christian Reconstructionist, which means he advocates actually making the Old Testament Mosaic law the civil and criminal law of the land. That makes him a fascist. So when he declares atheist activists to be his enemy, I’ll happily accept that designation.

Why do “young believers”—if indeed this is true, and not just a projection from the minds of exalted high surrender monkeys—think the world is right to embrace sin, and the church wrong to reject it? If they do believe that, it’s only because the churches and Christian parents have refused to obey God’s command to teach their own children, and entrusted Christian children’s education to anti-Christian schools controlled by anti-Christian teachers’ unions.

You don’t have to have the military genius of Hannibal or Patton to figure out that allowing the enemy to train your troops is a very bad idea.

Gasp! Did I say “enemy”? That’s not very winsome, is it? Sorry, but I don’t do winsome. The teachers’ unions, the homosexual activists, the atheist militants, the abortion fans who chant “Hail, Satan,” and the statist schmucks who staff “human rights” agencies really are the enemy.

They must be defeated. Not charmed, not appeased, but put out of business. And the way to do that is by depriving them of their food and fuel—our children’s souls and minds.

I’m fine being the enemy of people like this. I bet you are too.

Comments

  1. hunter says

    There’s something wrong with people who need an enemy to justify their existence. And of course, it never occurs to them to question their own assumptions.

  2. weaver says

    Teachers’ unions?

    Why are they on the list?

    Oh, let me guess – because they tell fundie teachers that it really is against the rules to bible-bash in the classroom, and because they stick up for teachers who have the gall to teach evolution.

    I’ve wondered for a while what is driving the animus against teachers in this country – perhaps this explains a chunk of it.

  3. D. C. Sessions says

    I find it no end interesting that they can’t — or don’t, but their audience never seems to question it — distinguish between “being allowed to live according to my beliefs” and “forcing everyone else to live according to my beliefs.”

  4. says

    weaver “I’ve wondered for a while what is driving the animus against teachers in this country – perhaps this explains a chunk of it.”
    There’s a reason my kids are spastic, out of control morons, and it’s clearly not me.

     
    D. C. Sessions “I find it no end interesting that they can’t — or don’t, but their audience never seems to question it — distinguish between ‘being allowed to live according to my beliefs’ and ‘forcing everyone else to live according to my beliefs.'”
    It’s not Freedom if you can’t force it on everyone else. I mean, even you Liberals force us Conservative, Moral, Pro-Family Americans to put up with gayhomos, the working poor theoretically having access to healthcare, Moochelle Obama’s government school “lunch” program, and black people voting.

  5. raven says

    That makes him a fascist. So when he declares atheist activists to be his enemy, I’ll happily accept that designation.

    I’m in. I want to be an Admiral. I do hope the Atheist Military has a navy.

    The large majority of Americans are Lee Duigon’s enemy. I doubt if the xian Dominionists have more than 20-30% of the population’s support. It’s about where Geocentrism is, at 26%.

    And they are losing slowly. US xianity is dying, losing 2-3 million members a year. Thanks to people like…Lee Duigon.

  6. raven says

    have refused to obey God’s command to teach their own children…

    He is making stuff up here and saying it came from the bible. The bible says nothing about public schools one way or another. There is no biblical command to homeschool.

    and entrusted Christian children’s education to anti-Christian schools controlled by anti-Christian teachers’ unions.

    Making more stuff up. Teachers reflect the general population and are going to be at least a majority of…xians.

    Clearly he means most xians are Fake Xians i.e. not Oogedy Boogedy Christofascists. He is right. Most of Lee Duigon’s many enemies are…other xians!!!

  7. colnago80 says

    Re raven @ #5

    Oh, but the blogs resident physics professor and math department chairman claims that his church is gaining members.

  8. Pierce R. Butler says

    … the abortion fans who chant “Hail, Satan,” …

    In 16 years of clinic escorting, I didn’t hear that once.

    Clearly, I need to move to a more progressive city.

  9. says

    colnago80 “Oh, but the blogs resident physics professor and math department chairman claims that his church is gaining members.”
    You two should get a room, and stay there until you hash this thing out. Then after that, still stay there.

  10. D. C. Sessions says

    Oh, but the blogs resident physics professor and math department chairman claims that his church is gaining members.

    Why would that be remarkable? China’s population has been shrinking for a long time, but Beijing has been growing over the same period. The same goes for many cities in Europe, where the cities are growing as the country loses net population.

    Lots of cities in the South have booming suburbs while the city core shrivels, and those suburbs have lots of new churches with growing congregations.

  11. Michael Heath says

    Lee Duigon writes:

    They must be defeated.. . . the way to do that is by depriving them of their food and fuel—our children’s souls and minds.

    Obviously this guy is an extremist wingnut. But he’s not that far from mainstream conservative Christianity.

    Consider legislation that’s passed in those states that passed legislation protecting the right of gay people to marry. Those gay marriage laws passed only with attendant legislation insuring anti-gay churches are able to continue to discriminate against gay people and therefore, abuse gay children that are congregants of anti-gay churches – like heddle’s and worse.

    So while we hail the rise of secularism which brings increased equal protection, we shouldn’t forget we’ll continue to see collateral damage for generations. Especially if heddle’s assertion is true that Calvinism is increasing the number of its congregants that are young and also not cannibalizing other denominations who also practice bigotry towards gay people. Since the protection of gay adults rights is increasingly being protected, future collateral damage will be increasingly concentrated among gay children, a good candidate for “the least among us”. According to the Jesus character in the Bible; how are we supposed to treat that last group?

    This is not an abstract issue, there are tragedies in our midst playing out every single day. Young church congregants who are gay, scared, and abused by “mainstream” conservative Christians who aren’t capable of even confronting the evil they do and will continue to do. These “good Christians” sacrifice the well-being of gay children in order to defend their demonstrably evil holy dogma. And worse yet is the continued legitimization of those Christians that belong to such churches that both like being bigots and like having their bigotry promoted as morally good; as we see Lee Duigon demonstrate here. Legitimized at least within fundamentalism.

    I recall the Samuel Johnson truism:

    Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

    . Here’s a corollary, “Conservative Christianity is becoming the last refuge of bigots.” It’s no coincidence these two populations overwhelmingly intersect.

    I predict an increasing number of conservative Christians claiming that those of us who expose conservative Christian bigotry are bigots for doing so, not a surprise given that psychological projection is a commonly observed behavior amongst conservative Christians.

  12. Al Dente says

    the abortion fans who chant “Hail, Satan,”

    I remember once hearing a pro-choice advocate arguing with a forced birther and, after her opponent made a particularly idiotic claim, exclaiming: “Jesus Christ.”

  13. raven says

    Oh, but the blogs resident physics professor and math department chairman claims that his church is gaining members.

    Irrelevant.

    wikipedia PC-US:

    The PC(USA) maintains extensive statistics on its members.[25]

    Membership decreased by 4.83% in 2013,[1] continuing a three decade-long decline in membership for PC(USA).[26][27]

    Recent declines in numbers are consistent with the trends of most mainline Protestant denominations in America since the late 1960s. In 2013, Jan Armstrong, Executive Presbyter of the Presbytery of Santa Barbara, said that the most recent informal OGA (Office of the General Assembly) projections are for an anticipated loss of perhaps 500,000 members over the next 3–4 years, roughly 25% of the denomination’s membership.[28]

    The largest Calvinists, the Presbyterian church US, has been losing members for 3 decades. It is projecting a huge 25% drop in the next few years.

    The uber Calvinists, Christian Reformeds, have lost 20% in 20 years, (wikipedia).

    The Southern Presbyterians are growing. However, much or most is due to mergers with other churches leaving from other Calvinist groups. (wikipedia again).

  14. Chiroptera says

    raven, #6: Most of Lee Duigon’s many enemies are…other xians!!!

    Fortunately, instead of working tirelessly to strengthen the secular protections against Duigon and his ilk, these other Christians realize their time and energy are better spent explaining to the atheists how their sophistamacated theology is an intellectually superior position.

  15. Pierce R. Butler says

    D. C. Sessions @ # 10: China’s population has been shrinking for a long time…

    Say what?!? (Scroll to bottom to see chart.) Despite the “one child” policy – more like 1.4 at present – net immigration and a baby-boom-echo effect mean that China’s population won’t peak until ~ 2030.

  16. says

    AFAIK, the word “S-T-N” in Hebrew was not a name, it was a title. It meant, “one who stands against”. Like in the Book of Job where the character of Satan is more like the counsel for the prosecution against the human race than the rebel angel of Christian mythology.

    I’m more than happy to stand against people who think like this guy. If this makes me a “Satanist”, then my inner adolescent is more than happy to wear that T-shirt…

  17. laurentweppe says

    Oh, let me guess – because they tell fundie teachers that it really is against the rules to bible-bash in the classroom, and because they stick up for teachers who have the gall to teach evolution.

    Also, without them, dismantling public education and turning every US plebeian into illiterate serfs would be much easier: don’t forget about the reconstructionnists’ rich patrons own set of goals.

    ***

    instead of working tirelessly to strengthen the secular protections against Duigon and his ilk, these other Christians realize their time and energy are better spent explaining to the atheists how their sophistamacated theology is an intellectually superior position.

    For the most part: the other christians are busy too living their lives to bolster your ego in pointless internet battles of wits.

  18. colnago80 says

    Re Butler @ #15

    One of the unintended consequences of the 1 child per family policy in China and the concomitant liberal abortion policy is that the majority of abortions were of female fetuses. That has resulted in a huge surplus of males in the population (some 50 million at last count) which is considered a potential destabilizing factor in Chinese society.

  19. jonathangray says

    Lee Duigon … advocates actually making the Old Testament Mosaic law the civil and criminal law of the land. That makes him a fascist.

    Um, no. It makes him a Puritan — like the ones who came over on the Mayflower.

  20. jonathangray says

    laurentweppe:

    Also, without [teachers’ unions], dismantling public education and turning every US plebeian into illiterate serfs would be much easier

    Puritan Reconstructionists can rest easy.

  21. jonathangray says

    Authoritarian certainly. But while all fascists are authoritarian, not all authoritarians are fascist. Puritan theocracy is arguably less fascist than liberal democracy, in certain respects.

    “… I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy and seeking to prevent general European trouble.”

    “I don’t mind telling you in confidence that I am keeping in fairly close touch with the admirable Italian gentleman.”

    – Franklin D. Roosevelt

  22. jonathangray says

    This is a recognisably proto-fascist sentiment — you can see that even the symbolism prefigures fascism.

  23. says

    You don’t have to have the military genius of Hannibal or Patton

    Patton’s military genius was small enough that it could comfortably fit in a thimble. He was a racist totalitarian bully, though, so maybe that’s why you mistook him for a military genius.

  24. Armored Scrum Object says

    jonathangray, I agree that Ed’s statement per se doesn’t describe fascism. However, I do think there’s a proto-fascist thread in Duigon’s thought. In my view, the key differentiating feature of fascism is the theme of an Enemy Within whose influence must be purged (culminating in the elimination of its very existence) in order for the nation to experience a rebirth of its intrinsic virtue. Fascism is in full bloom when that purge occurs through organized violence. Duigon is not advocating violence, but he is clearly advocating an escalation of the fight against the Enemy Within. It is not difficult to imagine the words “by any means necessary” appended to the segment quoted by Ed.

    In other words, I don’t think Ed’s proclamation of “that makes him a fascist” is literally true, but it might as well be for all the distinction would tell us about where Duigon wants to take us.

  25. colnago80 says

    Re Marcus Ranum @ #26

    The German high command during WW2 thought otherwise and considered that Patton was the only commander on the other side who they feared. He was certainly an asshole but many top military commanders are assholes (Douglas MacArthur), just as many top scientists are assholes (c.f. Richard Feynman, Isaac Newton, etc.). It is unfortunate that Patton wasn’t in command at Anzio instead of the incompetent Lucas or the entire German Army south of Rome would have been bagged.

  26. Reginald Selkirk says

    The teachers’ unions, the homosexual activists, the atheist militants, the abortion fans who chant “Hail, Satan,” and the statist schmucks who staff “human rights” agencies really are the enemy.

    Let me proceed down the checklist:
    1) teacher’s union member: no.
    2) Homosexual activist: no. I do approve of equality, but I have to admit I haven’t been particularly activist about it.
    3) Atheist militant: no. I am atheist, but I haven’t firebombed even one church, so not a militant.
    4a) Abortion fan: Probably not. I support the right to choose, which is not really the same thing as picking up the pom poms and cheering when someone gets an abortion.
    4b) who chant “Hail Satan”: no. See the bit about being an atheist.
    5) Statist schmucks who staff human rights agencies: no. I would need to hear some definitions to know if I am a statist, but I do not staff a human rights agency.

    I am not this man’s enemy. I need to work harder.

  27. John Pieret says

    I’m merely an apathetic agnostic but I’ll enlist!

    As for Satan, he’s really a pretty nice guy, according to the revelation of Saint Mark (Twain).

  28. jonathangray says

    Armoured Scrum Object:

    I do think there’s a proto-fascist thread in Duigon’s thought. In my view, the key differentiating feature of fascism is the theme of an Enemy Within whose influence must be purged (culminating in the elimination of its very existence) in order for the nation to experience a rebirth of its intrinsic virtue. Fascism is in full bloom when that purge occurs through organized violence. Duigon is not advocating violence, but he is clearly advocating an escalation of the fight against the Enemy Within.

    Fascism certainly acted against perceived enemies within and if that’s the defining feature of fascism it makes sense to classify Christian theocracies as fascist or proto-fascist, whether Puritan or Catholic. McCarthy-era America would also qualify as fascist under this definition.

    The problem is, this criterion would also compel us to class communist regimes as fascist. And what about liberal democracies? From the progressive’s perspective, racists, sexists, homophobes, right-wing Christians, nativists, etc all qualify as the enemy within whose existence prevents the nation from being what it should be and whose influence should be purged accordingly. Such people are routinely subjected to dehumanising rhetoric (often very violent rhetoric) and frequently suffer social ostracism, professional disadvantage and criminalisation at the hands of the state legal apparatus merely for voicing their opinions. This is not at the level of fascist, communist or Christian persecution, but it is certainly comparable to McCarthyism.

    You may sincerely believe that such opinions are so obnoxious that those who voice them deserve everything they get, but that doesn’t make you any less of a fascist by your definition.

    Any commonwealth that isn’t dysfunctional must have some kind of organising principle or ideology, however implicit, which necessarily excludes those who dissent from it, who thereby become a potential existential threat to the commonwealth. This is universal, not fascist in particular.

  29. freehand says

    I can’t agree with Ed on this until I know Duigon’s attitude on nationalism, imperialism, and industry. In principle a Christian fascist could easily be socialist, but in this generation in the US that’s unlikely. He might actually be uninterested in being chummy with Wall Street, however,
    .
    Jonathongray, are you really unclear on the difference between criticizing somebody’s values and throwing them in prison, torturing them, and executing them? Both fascists and theocrats (I agree these are not synonymous) have committed these crimes against humanity. Can you give examples of liberal democrats doing this? Governments which are democratic can be genocidal, imperialistic, or slave-owning, obviously. But those behaviors are not liberal.

  30. jonathangray says

    freehand:

    [A Christian fascist] might actually be uninterested in being chummy with Wall Street, however

    I think it’s safe to say that any Christian who identifies himself or who can reasonably be classed as fascist would be uninterested in being chummy with Wall Street. (Then again …)

    are you really unclear on the difference between criticizing somebody’s values and throwing them in prison, torturing them, and executing them? Both fascists and theocrats (I agree these are not synonymous) have committed these crimes against humanity. Can you give examples of liberal democrats doing this?

    Leaving aside the question of whether throwing people in prison, torturing them or executing them are always and everywhere crimes (let alone “crimes against humanity”, whatever that means), I would say liberals have not tortured or executed non-liberals to my knowledge. I acknowledged as much in my last comment: “This is not at the level of fascist, communist or Christian persecution, but it is certainly comparable to McCarthyism”. What was comparable to McCarthyism was “… dehumanising rhetoric (often very violent rhetoric) … social ostracism, professional disadvantage and criminalisation at the hands of the state legal apparatus merely for voicing their opinions. “ This is more than “criticism” and it has certainly included imprisonment. (If you’re looking for more extreme treatment meted out to those who refuse to buy into the liberal narrative, I might mention ‘Ruby Ridge’ (which I would hardly dignify with the name of execution), an incident which unaccountably seems to have evoked no outrage, or even notice, among liberals quick to indulge in moral grandstanding over certain arguably more justifiable applications of police power.)

    If you want to argue that those who engage in such illiberal practices cannot by definition be called liberals, I’m happy to settle for “progressives”. (Of course the crimes committed in the name of Progress dwarf by an order of magnitude those committed in the name of conservatism, reaction, restoration or even fascism.)

  31. Nick Gotts says

    Of course the crimes committed in the name of Progress dwarf by an order of magnitude those committed in the name of conservatism, reaction, restoration or even fascism.

    Of course, this is a brazen lie, as expected from Pilty. The victims of the Nazis include all those who died in World war 2, approximately 60 million people. Even if you add up all the victims of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and all other Leninist tyrants, they would not come close to 600 million.

  32. jonathangray says

    The victims of the Nazis include all those who died in World war 2

    Horseshit. Or at least questionable.

    approximately 60 million people. Even if you add up all the victims of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and all other Leninist tyrants, they would not come close to 600 [sic] million.

    Really?

  33. Nick Gotts says

    Horseshit. Or at least questionable.

    Make up your mind, numpty. I concede that those who died in the far east might be subtracted, but that’s a relatively small proportion of the total. None of the rest would have died in the way they did had it not been for the Nazi campaign of conquest and genocide. Even in the far east, Japan would have been unlikely to spread its aggressino beyond China without the Nazi attacks on Britain, France and the Soviet Union.

    Then to the fascist total we have to add those killed by other fascist regimes, notably in Mussolini’s invasion and occupation of Ethiopia. And of course the reason the Nazis in particular did not kill any more was because their period in power lasted just 12 years.

    Even your link@37, liar, counts only 150,000,000 victims of communist regimes – which is 1/4 of what you would need for your lie to be remotely plausible. And that counts many who were victims of gross incompetence rather than malice – unlike any significant proportion of the victims of the Nazis.

  34. jonathangray says

    Make up your mind, numpty.

    It’s a thorny question. One doesn’t deny the role played by NatSoc/Fascist militarism and belligerence in precipitating the Second European Civil War; but to make those regimes morally responsible for every death in that conflict would seem to absolve the Allied powers of any guilt for war crimes committed by the Allied war machine.

    And if one is going to go down that road, one could just as well argue that blame should lie with the Bolsheviks, since NatSoc & Fascism were in large part reactions to Bolshevist revolutionary-totalitarian terror, a foolish attempt to fight fire with fire. If there had been no reds, there would have been no blacks or browns.

    Even your link@37, liar, counts only 150,000,000 victims of communist regimes – which is 1/4 of what you would need for your lie to be remotely plausible.

    My mistake. I was unaware that “order of magnitude” had the precise meaning it does; I thought it just meant “a lot”. Ignorance, not a lie.

  35. Nick Gotts says

    jonathangray@40

    but to make those regimes morally responsible for every death in that conflict would seem to absolve the Allied powers of any guilt for war crimes committed by the Allied war machine.

    No it wouldn’t, numpty. Just because X has moral responsibility for a death does not mean Y has none.

    And if one is going to go down that road, one could just as well argue that blame should lie with the Bolsheviks, since NatSoc & Fascism were in large part reactions to Bolshevist revolutionary-totalitarian terror

    Garbage. Italy was under no significant threat from Bolshevism when Mussolini seized power. While Germany did have a significant communist Party, it was at no time anywhere near an ability to seize power, nor was Germany under any threat from the Soviet Union. And if we’re going to look beyond the fascists themseles, considerable blame must attach to the Catholic Church – both for centuries of anti-Jewish hatred, and for its support for fascism and Nazism. Aside from the Pope’s concordats with both Mussolini and Hitler, and complete failure to excommunicate a single fascist leader for their atrocities, it was, after all the Catholic Centre Party that gave Hitler the Reichstag majority for the Enabling Act that established him as dictator.

    My mistake. I was unaware that “order of magnitude” had the precise meaning it does; I thought it just meant “a lot”. Ignorance, not a lie.

    Very well; I retract the accusation that this particular claim of yours was a lie.

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