Klingenschmitt Apparently Hasn’t Read the Bible


I’m beginning to suspect that Gordon Klingenschmitt may be an elaborate Poe. On his Pray in Jesus’ Name internet show this week he actually slammed Islam because they force women to marry their rapists, saying that this is proof that Islam is a demonic religion.

“That’s a demonic spirit,” Klingenschmitt said, “when you force a woman to marry her rapist and you call that good practicing of Islam. I think Islam is demonic so far as it teaches that kind of teaching.”

Deuteronomy 22, anyone?

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Comments

  1. brucemartin says

    Yes. But Gordon is not a Poe by atheists. He is obviously a Poe by demons. It all makes sense now.

  2. laurentweppe says

    Klingenschmitt is just using the “Islam=brown people” coded jargon that racists use. The content of the Bible is irrelevant in his rant: he just wants to pretend that people from his own ethnicity are inherently less likely to commit sexual crimes than everyone else.

  3. Al Dente says

    Klingenschmitt is not the sharpest knife on the Christmas tree. Plus, as laurenweppe notes @2, he’s a racist.

  4. says

    It’s more than Klingenschmidt not reading the Bible – these guys seem to think that the Old Testament doesn’t apply to their version of Christianity, and say that Jesus brought a new covenant, blah, blah, even though Jesus himself says, somewhere in Matthew, that he hasn’t come to change the laws of Moses.

    The funniest was Ray Comfort saying the dietary laws were specifically given to the Hebrews and therefore don’t apply to him.

  5. Nemo says

    I thought immediately of that Bible passage, but of course it says that he must marry her, but doesn’t make clear that the reverse is true. Perhaps she has no say in the matter. Or perhaps she can refuse? I decided to see what an apologist might say:

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Deuteronomy-22-28-29-marry-rapist.html

    But her father is ultimately in authority over her, as her head, until he hands this authority over to her husband. If the man is unsuitable, the father can refuse to give his daughter to him. How many fathers would give their daughter to a rapist? Not many. So, in general, a rapist would actually have to pay a 50 silver shekel fine to her father, and not get a wife at all.

    So yeah, she has no say. BTW, check out how that page begins:

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is often pointed to by atheists, skeptics, and other Bible attackers as evidence that the Bible is backwards, cruel, and misogynist

    and how it ends:

    Sex with a married or betrothed woman is adultery and was to be punished by the death of both if consensual

    Yeah, that’s not cruel or backwards at all.

    I have no idea what the Quran says about it. Klingenschmitt doesn’t give an exact citation.

  6. dannorth says

    @ Gerwinpetty
    “these guys seem to think that the Old Testament doesn’t apply to their version of Christianity”

    Except of course when convenient to their arguments like the ever popular Leviticus 20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

    Then its the law, the Bible says so.

  7. dingojack says

    Nemo – Notice that Deuteronomy 28 29 actually says:
    “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered”.[Emphasis mine]

    Kind of makes: “Sex with a married or betrothed woman is adultery and was to be punished by the death of both if consensual” [again, emphasis mine] a complete non sequitur don’t it?

    Dingo

  8. iangould says

    “I have no idea what the Quran says about it. Klingenschmitt doesn’t give an exact citation.”

    Gordon hasn’t actually read the Q’uran, obviously.

    That’s how the demons get you.

  9. gertzedek says

    @Nemo – Yes, in the old days, it was her father who’d have say over the marriage, since that was their custom with all marriages back then. These days, the woman would have say over whether or not she’d marry the rapist. (Probably not, obviously.) But one way or another, the obligation for marriage is on the rapist, not the victim. Under Jewish law, a victim is never obliged to marry her rapist.

  10. Michael Heath says

    Ed’s rightly condemns Judaism and Christianity for its holy dogma stating the rapist must marry his victim. But neither religion currently adheres to this edict; instead this edict’s ignored. That does cause all kinds of bemusing incoherency amongst biblical inerrantists, even those who refer to the New Covenant. What we’re not presented with is how Islam supposedly demands the same practice.

    Is this a current Islamic practice? Or like Judaism and Christianity, is it one of many passages in the Quran or their other religious writings that’s now effectively ignored? In spite of supposedly coming from God himself.

  11. busterggi says

    I’ve quoted some of the highly unpleasant sections of the bible to believers which they refused could be in their book. When I’ve taken their copies and shown the sections to them they always want to know how I put those words in their book because they know they couldn’t have been in there.

  12. phred says

    How about making a short chapbook titled “THAT’S in the Bible?”. It would be just slightly shorter than the Bible itself.

  13. weatherwax says

    # 5 Nemo: “But her father is ultimately in authority over her, as her head, until he hands this authority over to her husband. If the man is unsuitable, the father can refuse to give his daughter to him. How many fathers would give their daughter to a rapist? Not many. So, in general, a rapist would actually have to pay a 50 silver shekel fine to her father, and not get a wife at all.”

    Yeah, so if the father thought the rapist wasn’t a suitable husband, he wouldn’t force his daughter into marriage. He’d have her killed for shaming the family. See how much better that is…

  14. John Pieret says

    Of course he hasn’t read the Bible. He has only read the Bible he has learned from his fellow wingnuts. It always leaves out the nasty bits but somehow always manages to be nasty nonetheles.

  15. comfychair says

    This is a really easy one. The bible is the inerrant word of god, except when it’s not, and anyone who suggests otherwise is obviously possessed by demons. See how easy things are when you don’t have all that modern ‘moral relativism’ bullshit clogging up your brain-tubes?

  16. grumpyoldfart says

    Klingenschmitt’s reaction:
    “Hey look at that upward spike in the donations graph. The silly buggers are making me rich.”

  17. freehand says

    grumpyoldfart: Klingenschmitt’s reaction:
    “Hey look at that upward spike in the donations graph. The silly buggers are making me rich.”

    .
    I’m pretty sure he’s a true believer. What he more likely says is:
    “Hey look at that upward spike in the donations graph. God is making me rich. He must want me to do this more.”
    .
    It’s much like a cat learning what to do to get treats. There’s not a lot of cognition involved.

  18. Nemo says

    @busterggi #12:

    I’ve quoted some of the highly unpleasant sections of the bible to believers which they refused could be in their book. When I’ve taken their copies and shown the sections to them they always want to know how I put those words in their book because they know they couldn’t have been in there.

    Witchcraft, obviously.

    No, seriously, they can’t be that dumb, can they? Please tell me you’re joking.

  19. greg1466 says

    I suppose he could be a Poe, but it think it is far more likely that he is no different than the vast majority of Christians who have virtually no idea what their scriptures actually say.

Leave a Reply