Barton: God Will Punish Us With Routine Events


David Barton says that God is going to punish America for not slavishly praising anything the state of Israel does, no matter how destructive or wrong it might be by sending natural disasters that are bound to take place anyway. At the same time, of course, Muslim reactionaries will say that Allah is punishing America for supporting Israel. Both are totally and completely full of shit, of course.

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  1. Chiroptera says

    And the Hindus say that God is punishing us for killing cows and wrapping their carcasses in rainbow colored paper.

  2. colnago80 says

    Past time for the IDF to stop playing pattycake with the Hamas terrorists and take a leaf from the Assad pere/fils playbook and apply Hama Rules on the Gaza Strip.

  3. D. C. Sessions says

    Well, Barton, what does it say about you that you get such a rise out of imagining yourself inflicting pain and suffering on the Bible Belt?

  4. jasmyn says

    Who was the mouth breathe the background who just keep going, “Wow, wow,”? He was worse than Barton. At least Barton can form a coherent sentence, even if it is remarkably stupid.

  5. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Barton: God Will Punish Us With Routine Events

    Yeesh, doesn’t he always? I’m so tired of that.

    @5. Nick Gotts : Really? Where exactly did “genocide fan” – not a real usernym here so far – actually advocate that exactly?

    Could be your reading comprehension is up, or rather down, to its usual level.

    Helpful tip : Y’may wanna look up what genocide actually means.

    Also advocating being tough on Hamas does NOT equal genocide just, y’know equals being tough on Hamas.

    Words you doing ‘em wrong.

    PS. Did you know there’s been a ceasefire now apparently :

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-17/gaza-ceasefire-as-palestinian-fighters-tunnel-under-border/5605542

    at least Israel has agreed to one, Ham-arse are/ were still thinking ’bout it and the so war is over or at least the latest installment for now. Plus a lot more people are dying in South Sudan and Syria and, meh, you don’t care do you, its all juuusst teh Juuuuuuuzzzzzzz!!!! Teh Ebbil ebil Juuzzz!!! How dare dey, y’know – do that not juuuzzt latying’ down to die and shooting back instead thing dey do.

  6. alanb says

    God told us in the Bible exactly what the boundaries of Israel are to be.

    I’d like to see the citation for that one.

  7. says

    Ah yes, fellow bigoted warmongering trolls have to stick together, in the face of even the mildest criticism.

    And in answer to your question: “Hama rules” refers to an act of an indiscriminate act of mass murder of noncombattants, so yes, colnago is a genocide fan.

  8. says

    I’d like to see the citation for that one.

    It’s in the Bible somewhere: God built a huge border fence all around Israel, but Satan and the Romans tore it down and covered up all proof of its existence. The Israelis have only managed to recreate part of it so far. And you can’t doubt that if you weren’t there, so shut up, that’s why.

  9. says

    Oh dear, sorry for the redundant redundancy. The sentence should read: ‘“Hama rules” refers to an indiscriminate act of mass murder of noncombattants, so yes, colnago is a genocide fan.’

  10. colnago80 says

    Re Raging Bee @ #12, #10, and #3

    I guess that Roosevelt and Churchill committed genocide against Germany during WW2 by hitting non-military targets like Dresden. And Truman committed genocide by firebombing Tokyo near the end of WW2. That puts Bibi in good company.

  11. Artor says

    Colnago80, do you ever get tired of being a cheerleader for indiscriminate murder? WTF is wrong with you?

  12. colnago80 says

    Re Artor @ #14

    Unfortunately, in war, people get killed. If you want people to not be killed, stop war.

  13. John Pieret says

    Barton says that God is going to punish America … by sending natural disasters that are bound to take place anyway

    It’s a twofer for wingnuts. They can go on denying global warming despite the increasingly extreme weather events while at the same time claiming that their murderous god is angry because Americans are insufficiently like the wingnuts.

  14. says

    Fuck off, colnago, you’ve already proven yourself an ignorant liar by falsely accusing me of “celebrating” the murder of innocent Israeli kids. You don’t have the chops, or the credibility, for a grownup policy debate. Just go back to drooling over centerfold photos of big round fulsome nuclear warheads and stop pretending to be an adult.

  15. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @ ^ Raging bee : Agist.

    Also #10 Raging Bee : yeah, one city – NOT genocide.

    Also Syria did that.

  16. says

    Wow, SteveOR, those are some of the lamest, laziest hairsplitting quibbles I’ve ever heard. I guess that’s how low you have to go when it’s a little shit troll like colnago you’re trying to defend.

  17. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @ Artor : “Colnago80, do you ever get tired of being a cheerleader for indiscriminate murder? “

    Indiscriminate murder eh? Well, that would be what Hamas is trying and occassionally – no thanks to them *only* very occassionally – doing.

    Far as I know & have ever seen Colnago80 has never said or implied anything favourable about Hamas and its dubious cause unlike some others in FTB’s Israel-bashing clique.

    Think about that & what it means ‘k.

  18. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Geez Raging Bee, you still can’t spell my name right eh?

    If you can’t even get something as simple as a nym right, what chance is there for the rest of the crap you spew eh?

    I can’t type well, sure, but at least I acknowledge and correct my major typos after. Generally.

    (If only we could edit these comments, sigh.)

    PS. Also quick question to you :

    Do you reckon its okay to fire potentially lethal rockets at innocent people – yes or no?

    Ah, hell I’ll make it multiple choice for ya since your so, well pitiable :

    I) Never.
    II) Sure why not?
    III) Only if those innocents are Jewish.

  19. tsig says

    God will punish the US by making it cold in the winter and warm in the summer with two seasons of middlin’ temps in between. If that doesn’t work it’s the comfy couch for the lot of ya.

  20. whheydt says

    Two points (and explicitly NOT a defense of coinago80’s position)….

    In a BBC article on this mornings humanitarian ceasefire (which, apparently, both side pretty much adhered to), they cited a UN statement that they’d found 20 long range rockets hidden in an otherwise empty school. So the Israeli claim that Hamas hides munitions in otherwise civilian locations has some third party support.

    On the other hand, it’s been noted from time to time that Hamas specifically rejects UN rules barring the deliberate targeting of civilians. (This may be–in part—because it is rather unlikely that the Hamas rockets are good enough to actually hit a specific target, and likely part due to Hamas own statements that they consider the entire Israeli population to be their enemies and legit targets.)

    On the whole, I’m inclined to agree with the Slate columnist who wrote, yesterday, that the Gaza Palestinians worst enemy is Hamas.

  21. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @ 25. colnago80 : Yup.

    It really baffles me why so many supposedly progressive feminist intelligent atheists here are so pro-Islamist Jihadist terrorists it really does. What the fuck is their problem that they fail to see the bleedingly obvious?

    They’re meant to be logical and pro-human rights incl. womens’ rights and anti-extremist religion aren’t they?

    Meant to be anti-far Rightists and they don’t come any Righter-wing than Islamofascists – and yet .. shit. You read these fools?

    I mean sure the Left has long had a reputation for being suicidally and self-destructively anti-American / anti-Western values but taking it quite that far, really?

    Is the chance of bashing the United States of America (& Israel becoz everybody on all political sides hates Israel and teh Juuuz .. becoz, becoz, well just becoz!!!) really worth cosying up to the likes of fucking Hamas!? For real? Fucking hell no. Surely?

    Dafuck is wrong with them and why can’t they see it?

  22. Nick Gotts says

    Far as I know & have ever seen Colnago80 has never said or implied anything favourable about Hamas and its dubious cause unlike some others in FTB’s Israel-bashing clique. – StevoR

    You do not, because you cannot, provide a particle of evidence for the bolded phrase, liar. And slaughtering as much of the population of a city as possible because of their ethnicity or religion, as Assad did at Hama, is genocide. The fans of genocide, as we see here with you and colnago80, stick together.

    Ah, hell I’ll make it multiple choice for ya since your so, well pitiable :

    I) Never.
    II) Sure why not?
    III) Only if those innocents are Jewish. – StevoR

    There’s a lot of projection going on here, as well as a false trichotomy: there are, after all, many other possible answers. But to avoid giving you or colnago80 any excuse to lie, I unreservedly condemn Hamas’s rocket attacks, as well as Israel’s bombing of Gaza. Neither in any way justifies the other.

  23. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Left = Far left even extreme far Left which is where a lot of the FTB blogs and bloggers and commenters are.

    And here the Undertown phenomena is in full play.

    Believe it or not, I agree with most mainstream Left wing positions bar just a few.

    Of course, I reserve the right to – and do – make up my own mind independent of ideology and based on the actual evidence, logic and merits of the case of each issue.

  24. Nick Gotts says

    I guess that Roosevelt and Churchill committed genocide against Germany during WW2 by hitting non-military targets like Dresden. And Truman committed genocide by firebombing Tokyo near the end of WW2. That puts Bibi in good company. – colnago80@13

    Yes, I think both those examples were arguably genocide; certainly, they were completely unjustifiable in terms of military necessity and – aside from the immense suffering and needless death they caused – gave the postwar apologists for Nazism and Japanese imperialism useful propaganda. But if so, that doesn’t put Netanyahu (I’m not going to use a pet name for him) in good company: it would put him in the company of others who committed genocide, if he did as you advise and committed genocide himself.

  25. colnago80 says

    Re Nick Gotts @ #28

    Well, Assad pere’s action in Hama was certainly brutal but it was also effective in stifling Islamic terrorists who had taken control of the town. It kept them quiet for more then 25 years. However, Assad fils apparently is even worse then his old man and is far less effective. We might also mention the ISIS boys in Iraq who give every indication of surpassing the Assads in brutality. The Middle East is a tough neighborhood, no place for the Casper Milquetoasts of the world. As former Israeli prime minister Shamir once said, “when you live in a tough neighborhood, you have to be a tough guy and we live in a tough neighborhood”.

  26. D. C. Sessions says

    Ed, maybe you should correct the title of this post to something about the Middle East.

  27. Nick Gotts says

    Of course, I reserve the right to – and do – make up my own mind independent of ideology and based on the actual evidence, logic and merits of the case of each issue. – StevoR@30

    Unintentional comedy at its most hilarious.

  28. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @31. Nick Gotts : “Yes, I think both those examples were arguably genocide..;”

    Bzzt. No. Rubbish.

  29. Nick Gotts says

    Well, Assad pere’s action in Hama was certainly brutal but it was also effective in stifling Islamic terrorists who had taken control of the town. – colnago80

    Yes, I’m well aware that your position is that genocide is justifiable if it is effective. Anyone with a spark of decency disagrees.

  30. Nick Gotts says

    @35, we see StevoR’s deployment of logic, evidence, and careful consideration of the merits of the case at its finest.

  31. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @Nick Gotts #28 : For some reason, I can’t seem to post my comment in reply to that. Tried a few times now. Suffice to say you are wrong as usual.

  32. colnago80 says

    Re Nick Gotts @ #31

    Schickelgruber and Tojo had to be stopped by any and all means. Now I would partially agree that the fire bombing of Dresden was ill conceived, not because of moral consideration but because it was not much of a military target and therefore a waste of munitions, aircraft, and pilots that could have been more profitably used against more important targets.

  33. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @37. Nick Gotts : Hell, even you admit your case is merely “arguable” – and to me and most sane folks really unconvincing.

    @36. Nick Gotts : What part of ” Islamic terrorists ” do you fail to understand precisely?

    You really need to educate yourself on who Islamic terrorists are and what they do to others and what sortof a world they want to create. Seriously.

  34. Skip White says

    God will punish us with routine events like ridiculous flame wars about Israel where apparently any criticism of the state of Israel’s actions automatically equals supporting fundamentalist Islamic terrorists and hating everyone of the Jewish persuasion. Shouldn’t there be a Godwin-like internet law for this shit at this point, where mention of the existence of Israel inevitably causes all threads at FtB to devolve into off-topic flame wars?

  35. says

    It really baffles me why so many supposedly progressive feminist intelligent atheists here are so pro-Islamist Jihadist terrorists it really does.

    You might be less baffled if you could distinguish real FtBers from the ones in your fantasies. Here’s a hint: the real ones have NEVER been “pro-Islamist Jihadist terrorists.” You’d understand this better if you weren’t such a simpleminded hyperemotional bigot.

  36. D. C. Sessions says

    Yes, I think both those examples were arguably genocide

    Not even close without massive redefinition of “genocide.”

    However, you can make a pretty good case for “war crimes” or “terrorism.” Hell, we even called it “terror bombing.” Read what “Bomber” Harris stated, on the record, as the purpose of the British night bombing programme and it fits exactly with the current definition of “terrorism.”

    So, yeah, I’d have been totally with bringing Harris and others up on war crimes. But they’re dead, and what they did was so far from any reasonable definition of “genocide” that it’s stupid to compare them.

  37. busterggi says

    The US must defend Israel unquestioningly – remember, Jesus needs all those Jews to slaughter so he can wade through their blood when he returns. You wouldn’t want Jesus to have clean feet would you?

  38. Crimson Clupeidae says

    Raging Bee@4: Mixed fabrics? And we all know where that leads.

    …alternatively, I think he may have stolen my gram’s drapes!

  39. says

    According to Genesis 15:17*, the land given to Abraham stretched from “the river of Egypt” to the Euphrates. That would encompass all of present-day Israel and Lebanon and parts of Egypt, Syria (including Damascus), Jordan, and Iraq. That means that, in order for Jeebus to come again, Israel would have to conquer and incorporate all of this territory. That’s why the fundies believe that the USA must be allied to Israel because they could never do that by themselves.
    *The same area of land was promised to David.

  40. Matrim says

    I think it’s time we physically separate these two countries. Lets all grab some handsaws, line up on the border and saw. Then we simply airlift the two nations to opposite sides of the globe.

    If Loony Toons has taught me anything, this will work.

  41. colnago80 says

    Re billdaniels @ #48

    Egyptian President Sadat raised this issue with his Israeli counterpart, Manachem Begin in their first 1 on 1 meeting after the Camp David accords. Begin told him that it was a mistranslation of the Hebrew bible and that the rivers referred to were a river that then ran from El Arish in the Northern Sinai south (the river no longer exists) and the Jordan. It did not refer to either the Nile or the Euphrates.

  42. dugglebogey says

    It’s kind of staggering how many people there are who think weather comes from god.

  43. colnago80 says

    Well, Gotts and Bee don’t like the Assad playbook. How about the General Curtis Lemay playbook. What to do about Gaza, make a parking lot out of it.

  44. jws1 says

    So, after all this hot air, once again those who argue for Israel’ “right” to commit genocide can only defend themselves with the childish response: “But but but look at the other guy! That totally justifies the crimes I commit.”

  45. Holms says

    #50
    Well, Gotts and Bee don’t like the Assad playbook. How about the General Curtis Lemay playbook. What to do about Gaza, make a parking lot out of it.

    Typical response. Yes, other people are horrible too. This in no way makes Israel less horrible. No one is saying that Israel are the only ones with inhuman policies.

  46. says

    I guess that Roosevelt and Churchill committed genocide against Germany during WW2 by hitting non-military targets like Dresden. And Truman committed genocide by firebombing Tokyo near the end of WW2. That puts Bibi in good company.

    Yes, it does.

    You’ve got a severely damaged moral compass, because you continually seem to think that because someone else did something as bad or worse, it excuses a wrong-doer. In other words, you’d excuse me for punching you in the mouth, because Mike Tyson punches people in the mouth all the fucking time and nobody’s stopped him yet. Or you’d excuse Hitler for trying to wipe out jews because Ghengis Khan was unquestionably more ruthless and did, in fact, succeed in wiping out entire tribes. I’m being sarcastic, of course – you wouldn’t excuse any of those things at all, because of your tribal self-interest. It’s OK when “your people” do it and it’s not OK when it’s done to “your people” – pure and simple. That’s a pretty good definition of ‘fascism’ actually: extreme moral relativism along tribal/national lines.

    You’re made of the same shit that the nazis were made of, which is why you’re not very popular.

  47. says

    How about the General Curtis Lemay playbook.

    LeMay should have been locked up for life – indeed, he said that if the allies had lost, he would have been. And the world would have been a slightly better place for it.

  48. says

    I’m sure LeMay was one of colnago’s heroes – after all, it was LeMay who wanted to use nuclear weapons in Korea. Colnago likes him some nukes.

  49. says

    pilots that could have been more profitably used against more important targets

    No.
    High altitude bombing was never accurate enough to be useful against military targets. Even as late as the Korean and Vietnam wars, high altitude bombing equated with area bombing — there are plenty of incidents like the bridges at Toko-Ri that illustrate how 20th century bombs failed strategically. The bombing of Schweinfurt and Ploesti during WWII had some strategic impact but it was mostly because the military targets were damaged because the entire city was damaged.

    One of the dirty secrets of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam is that bombing really doesn’t work. The US military continues to promote the idea (“bomb harder!”) but that is because the US military are a bunch of cowards who prefer to strike only with impunity.

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