God Will Cure HIV at Church!

Christian con man Rodney Howard-Browne is holding a 3-week revival called Celebrate America and a gaggle of wingnuts are speaking at it. One of the weirder speeches was given by Pastor Kwabena Sarpong of Winners Chapel International in Maryland, who says if you go to church you’ll see HIV healed and then you’ll believe in God.

“Thank God for you and I that we are in this nation, we are taking the revival. Until they see power, they will not believe in your God,” he said. “When they have toiled and they can’t find any cure to HIV and they come to the church and you lay hands and they start walking, they will see power and they will all run to the House of God for the Bible says in the Last Days all shall run.”

Mmm, delicious religio-babble. But wait, I thought God created HIV to punish gay people?

Comments

  1. John Pieret says

    But wait, I thought God created HIV to punish gay people?

    But when you accept JC, he no longer has to try to kill you, which is why you don’t see any Bible-believing, bathed in the blood Christians with any life threatening diseases.

  2. dhall says

    “When they have toiled and they can’t find any cure to HIV and they come to the church and you lay hands and they start walking . . .”

    Does he know that being HIV positive is not the same as being unable to walk? Or, is he referring to the scientists, etc., who are working to find a cure, and saying that they can’t walk? Does anyone have any links to studies that might indicate just how many people in the US actually believe the parade of money-grubbing imbeciles Ed posts about? Do they have big audiences and large numbers of followers?

  3. raven says

    who says if you go to church you’ll see HIV healed and then you’ll believe in God.

    Won’t happen. If you are HIV+, you will die. It happens a lot. Faith healing kills.

    1. I used to deal occasionally with HIV/AIDS denialists. They’ve pretty died down.

    2. Literally. The ones who were HIV+ have all died. Of AIDS. It’s a long list.

    3. The HAART drugs have gotten so good that HIV+’s will live something approaching a normal lifespan. At this point, there is no good reason to be a denialist, and less reason to pay attention to the few who are left.

    4. There is another compelling reason to accept reality. HIV+ on HAART are far less infective than untreated. This breaks the transmission chain. Computer models show widespread drug treatment driving HIV to very low levels at the population level. Which is what happens.

    False beliefs like faith healing are just going to result in more HIV+s. You can not only put your own life at risk, you can put the lives of others at risk.

  4. says

    But wait, I thought God created HIV to punish gay people?

    God (or his followers) is the ultimate salesman. Create a need and then sell a product that meets that need. God created HIV to further enrich his earthly representatives.

  5. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Power.

    Unlimited power!

    .. Or, y’know, in reality – not.

  6. Loqi says

    It’s true! I’ve been in a church, and I’m pretty sure someone at some point laid a hand on me (if nothing else, during that part where everyone shakes hands in order to give their neighbors a cold), and I don’t have HIV! Checkmate, uh…whoever this guy was talking to. It’s hard to tell with all the incoherence.

  7. Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    But wait, I thought God created HIV to punish gay people?

    Under the pastor’s theory, though, we queers will – in lieu of the punishment of HIV – have entire congregations fondle us until the HIV magically goes away and then spend the rest of our lives in those same congregations listening to Pastor Sarpong and his brethren describe queer sex over and over and over again, always appending a quick, “Isn’t that icky?”

    Wait, how does that challenge the idea that HIV was created to punish us?

  8. says

    The problem is, how do you address this shit? I’m tangentially involved in HIV vaccine research and volunteer as an HIV educator. When someone — let’s say a straight woman who got the virus from a cheating husband, which is all too common a scenario — says that “I am a Christian and God will cure me so I am not taking drug therapy to prove my faith,” how does one respond? I don’t think “You will die because there is no god looking out for anybody” will have the desired effect.

  9. Michael Heath says

    Gregory in Seattle writes:

    The problem is, how do you address this shit? I’m tangentially involved in HIV vaccine research and volunteer as an HIV educator. When someone — let’s say a straight woman who got the virus from a cheating husband, which is all too common a scenario — says that “I am a Christian and God will cure me so I am not taking drug therapy to prove my faith,” how does one respond? I don’t think “You will die because there is no god looking out for anybody” will have the desired effect.

    The common advice I hear conservative Christians give to seek medical treatment is that God was directing the hand of the medical industry to develop medical treatments. Yes, this advice is both delusional and idiotic, but it appears effective with the sheeple.

    So perhaps you might say, “Doesn’t your faith tradition assert that the god you believe in inspires the medical industry to come up treatments to help you? That all good things come from God where surely effective medical treatments are a good thing.”

  10. says

    If it’s actually gawd who does the healing, why can’t a group of men in loin cloths rubbing berry juice over the affected area of the body do just as much as those fancy doctors with their medical “education” — which involves the silly notion that bacteria “evolve” — as well as those expensive buildings and specialty hospitals?
    Looks like all that money we taxpayers fund for the takers is wasted if all of that equipment and other expenses are superfluous.
    It sounds like modern medicine is just a liberal plot to steal our money instead of letting god decide who lives or dies, which worked out so well during the plagues and before inoculation for smallpox.

  11. busterggi says

    Sure god will cure HIV in untested people but will he regrow limbs? How about limbs of trees, they never sin (except apparently for that one fig tre)?

  12. raven says

    says that “I am a Christian and God will cure me so I am not taking drug therapy to prove my faith,” how does one respond? I don’t think “You will die because there is no god looking out for anybody” will have the desired effect.

    1. It doesn’t happen very often. There aren’t that many people who will die to prove their faith is…wrong.

    2. I did have to deal with one HIV+ in denial. It wasn’t religiously motivated though. What worked was just being patient and repeating the medical facts over and over.

    You have to be accepting and not threatening. These people are on some level, scared to death. If they maintain some tenuous connection to the medical system, they can always change their mind.

    It helped that this guy (a heterosexual BTW, whose girlfriend died of AIDS at age 26), was getting sick with minor opportunistic infections. They were treatable but kept coming back. He eventually went on HAART some years ago, they went away, and he has been fine since.

  13. says

    @raven #14 – It doesn’t happen very often, but it happens enough. Sometimes it is the result of genuine faith, but much more often religion becomes a mechanism for HIV denialism. I’ve seen it here in Seattle, and it is far more prevalent in regions of the US and world where religion dominates.

    I can deal with… let’s call them secular denialists. But when dealing with religious denialists, challenging the faith that bolsters the denialism will almost always have the effect of fortifying the faith and the willful ignorance it protects.

  14. grumpyoldfart says

    The sad thing is that mugs in the pews will chuck money at this clown until the day they die – and they will die with a smile on their face because they think they have served the Lord well.

  15. raven says

    But when dealing with religious denialists, challenging the faith that bolsters the denialism will almost always have the effect of fortifying the faith and the willful ignorance it protects.

    1. Yeah, it is likely to be counterproductive.

    2. You do what you can. Keep them engaged. And often they will change their mind. Especially when they start getting sick with one thing or another, MRSA, Pneumocystis, etc..

    3. Sometimes they won’t. And then just die. I’ve seen that with other medical conditions than HIV+.

  16. says

    Gregory in Seattle “The problem is, how do you address this shit? I’m tangentially involved in HIV vaccine research and volunteer as an HIV educator. When someone — let’s say a straight woman who got the virus from a cheating husband, which is all too common a scenario — says that “I am a Christian and God will cure me so I am not taking drug therapy to prove my faith,” how does one respond?”
    Pause thoughtfully, ask “Do you remember when you broke your leg?”, then pause thoughfully again.

  17. jnorris says

    Hmmmm, a testable hypothesis that will never be tested if Pastor Kwabena Sarpong has anything to say about it I’m sure.

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    lord spiritual. Just put him to test and see what he can do. (Seen is believing).for more information contact me on [email protected].
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    appreciation to the LORD SPIRITUAL for healing me. I have directed people with Cancer, Barren women,
    and those with different problem to him and he favored them differently.I have not seen any one as powerful as the
    lord spiritual. Just put him to test and see what he can do. (Seen is believing).for more information contact me on [email protected].
    I vowed to testify of what he has done. For any problem just contact or email him on [email protected].,

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    healing people suffering from HIV and other diseases,i decided to give him a try by contacting him and today am free.i want to express a heart felt
    appreciation to the LORD SPIRITUAL for healing me. I have directed people with Cancer, Barren women,
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