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Jul 09 2014

Bryan Fischer Award Nominee: Ben Carson

The Bryan Fischer Award is given to those who show a staggering lack of self-awareness, accusing their opponents of displaying their own worst traits. And I’ve got a real doozy from Ben Carson, during an interview he did with Joseph Farah of the Worldnetdaily. Let’s start with this statement:

“I remember back in the day, Solzhenitsyn was asked ‘what went wrong in the Soviet Union’ and what made it the nightmare police state that it was?” Farah said. “And he said, ‘We forgot about God.’”

Carson agreed with that assessment. He said he encourages people to read the works of not just Solzhenitsyn, but those of his historic adversaries – Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx and Alinsky.

“They asked themselves what it would take to bring America into alignment, to achieve their one-world vision and their utopian society,” Carson said.

The answer became obvious. Attack, attack, attack, at the nation’s soul, and stir up divisions at every level of American society – women against men, old against young, race against race, rich against poor.

“They said, you know, the problem with America is that they’re too strong. They have a couple of very strong pillars. The family, the traditional family, and their Judeo-Christian values,” Carson said. “You need to attack those things constantly, bring them down, and you will level the United States. You see the constant attacks in our country now.”

Okay, so liberals are all Leninists and communists out to destroy the country. And now this:

“I emphasize in that book the importance of people using their sphere of influence. That’s how you get around the liberal media. You need to talk to your uncle, who hasn’t voted in 20 years, about what’s going on. …You need to start talking to your neighbors, even if they’re liberals, talk to them,” Carson said. “Because, what happens is, a lot of people who are liberals really haven’t thought their positions through. And they listen to their leaders who try to demonize people. They listen to those people who believe in the Saul Alinsky philosophy. One of his rules: Never have a conversation with your adversary, because that humanizes them. And your job is to demonize them. They don’t want you to talk.”

Because he totally doesn’t demonize people, right?

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  1. 1
    colnago80

    One of his rules: Never have a conversation with your adversary, because that humanizes them

    Saul Alinsky also said that the way to progress was to rub raw the sores of discontent. Guess what, his most enthusiastic followers in this regard are asshole uncle Toms like Carson.

  2. 2
    karmacat

    I’m surprised he didn’t throw Hitler in there also

  3. 3
    eric

    You need to talk to your uncle, who hasn’t voted in 20 years, about what’s going on.

    Ah yes, the old trope that if the far right just got more of their base to turn out, they’d win all the elections because they’re really the silent majority. Hate to break it to you boys, but old rich white people vote in record percentages. You are not underrepresented at the polls like you think, you are overrepresented. If Americans suddenly had some massive, 90% turnout at this year’s polls, you would do worse, not better.

    In short, you have far fewer non-voting “uncles” than your liberal opponents. If these uncles start showing up, you’re going to lose a higher number of elections.

  4. 4
    Evan Brehm

    The irony of a hardcore right-winger accusing his opponents of being illogical and uniformed while simultaneously chastising them for being judgmental of other opinions. Pathological hypocrisy and complete lack of self-awareness are pandemic among today’s Right, It’s at the point where I wonder how anyone could possibly take these clowns seriously.

  5. 5
    Synfandel

    Saul Alinsky was one of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s “historic adversaries”?!

    To quote from his March, 1972, interview in the learned journal Playboy Magazine:

    I’ve never joined any organization—not even the ones I’ve organized myself. I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it’s Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as ‘that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you’re right.’ If you don’t have that, if you think you’ve got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide.

  6. 6
    theschwa

    …America is that they’re too strong. They have a couple of very strong pillars. The family, the traditional family, and their Judeo-Christian values,

    Yes, it is true. No country before America valued the family. Prior to 1776, most people looked at their family as simply a meal-ticket, or a ride to the market. Not so with America! Here, we actually put value in our loved ones. USA! USA! USA!!

  7. 7
    Modusoperandi

    Attack, attack, attack, at the nation’s soul, and stir up divisions at every level of American society – women against men, old against young, race against race, rich against poor.

    He does have a point. Imagine how much more united we’d be without the divisive rhetoric of the Sluts, Moochers, hoodie-wearing “urban” people, and Hollywood Elite.

  8. 8
    A Hermit

    Yup, that whole Civil Rights thing, just a commie plot to “stir up divisions” and pit “race against race.” Things were so much better when everyone knew their place…and don’t get him started on women voting!

  9. 9
    matty1

    Interesting how Karl Marx, a German who did much of his work in London, and Vladimir Lennin, a Russian, were apparently obsessed with America.

    Also Karl Marx died in 1883 and Saul Alinsky was born in 1909. Must be that pesky time machine again.

  10. 10
    D. C. Sessions

    “They said, you know, the problem with America is that they’re too strong. They have a couple of very strong pillars. The family, the traditional family, and their Judeo-Christian values,” Carson said. “You need to attack those things constantly, bring them down, and you will level the United States. You see the constant attacks in our country now.”

    Given the precise citations to “they,” this is a classic Moral Majority faux quote. Still, I profoundly doubt that Lenin said anything of the sort, Marx didn’t care in the least, and Alinsky certainly didn’t.

    I think it’s time for Ed to start awarding a David Barton prize for totally fabricated quotes.

  11. 11
    Synfandel

    @6 theschwa wrote, “Here, we actually put value in our loved ones.”

    Yah! And in proper American dollars and cents, not in some airy-fairy sentimentality.

  12. 12
    Doug Little

    Because, what happens is, a lot of people who are liberals really haven’t thought their positions through

    I only got to this bit before my irony meter blew.

  13. 13
    Randomfactor

    Alinsky also said that one of the most effective tactics is to force your enemy into a position where he has to live up to his PR persona. The schtick of a person who claims to be a Christian like Carson would be destroyed by having to act like it.

  14. 14
    D. C. Sessions

    The schtick of a person who claims to be a Christian like Carson would be destroyed by having to act like it.

    Not at all. He does it every day, on-screen and off.

    Or do you mean that he should act like someone else’s idea of how a Christian should act?

  15. 15
    garnetstar

    No, the “strong pillar” of America back in the day was the relative wealth of a great deal of the population. People who are fairly assured of adequate food, shelter, clothing, medical care, and education, are content enough to not want big change. They have something to lose.

    After Social Security, Medicare, and unions, a fair amount of Americans were in that position. Since that’s no longer the case, we’re much closer to many people not having anything to lose, and so thinking “Why not change the whole system? I could hardly be worse off than now.”

  16. 16
    observer

    Hardly anybody who has been accused of being a follower of Saul Alinsky has ever read the guy. Most never even heard of him before wingnuts started dropping his name. Even fewer who do the accusing have read him.

  17. 17
    Trebuchet

    A surgeon with the brain of a sturgeon!

  18. 18
    Nick Gotts

    Solzhenitsyn was by no means keen on the “Judeo” part of “Judeo-Christian values” – he was fully on board with the traditional antisemitism of the Russian Orthodox Church.

  19. 19
    brucegee1962

    “After Social Security, Medicare, and unions, a fair amount of Americans were in that position.”

    Don’t forget the GI Bill — the enormous government handout that was directly responsible for most of the 1950s prosperity.

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    D. C. Sessions

    Solzhenitsyn was by no means keen on the “Judeo” part of “Judeo-Christian values” – he was fully on board with the traditional antisemitism of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    Are you suggesting that he and Alinsky might have had some disagreements that had nothing to do with politics?

  21. 21
    busterggi

    So there were no families or churches in Russia before 1917?

  22. 22
    D. C. Sessions

    So there were no families or churches in Russia before 1917?

    Well, there were no True Christian Churches™ and as a result no True Christian Families™ since they were living together without benefit of Holy Christian Matrimony™.

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