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More Misogyny in the Meriam Ibrahim Case

Man, am I getting fed up with what is happening to Meriam Ibrahim. She was sentenced to death, freed by an appeals court but then not allowed to leave the country and now she’s living at the U.S. embassy. But now a lawsuit has been filed by her family of misogynists:

Despite lifting the death penalty, Sudan refuses to acknowledge Ibrahim’s new identity as a South-Sudanese Christian.

“The Khartoum Religious Court will review on Thursday morning a case asking to prove that Mariam Ibrahim belongs to her (Muslim) father and family,” said Abdel Rahman Malek, the lawyer hired by Ibrahim’s Muslim family for the case.

Mariam’s lawyer Mohaned Mostafa said Ibrahim had not yet been notified with the new case.

The case is expected to further delay Ibrahim’s plan to leave Sudan along with her two children and husband, who have all been staying at the U.S. embassy in Khartoum since Ibrahim’s release from police custody last Thursday.

She’s an adult. She doesn’t belong to her father or her family, she belongs to herself, you misogynist assholes. I’ve reached the point where I think Obama should send a special forces unit to the embassy, put her on a plane and fly her and her family to the United States. And if the Sudanese government wants to complain about it, the response should be “so try to stop us.”

Comments

  1. Chiroptera says

    How are the evangelicals weighing in on this? Judging from their eagerness to protect homophobia, I would think that they would be complaining about the US and its racist imperialism in this case. ‘Cause, you know, one constant characteristic of the religious right in the US has been their consistency.

  2. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Man, am I getting fed up with what is happening to Meriam Ibrahim.

    *You are getting fed up?

    Imagine how she feels!

    Also yes. What you said.

  3. colnago80 says

    I recall several weeks ago when I suggested that this was a job for the navy seals, I was viciously attacked by the usual defenders of Islam for even suggesting it. I agree completely with Brayton, time to stop fuckking around and take action. Here’s a high five for Brayton.

  4. raven says

    I’ve reached the point where I think Obama should send a special forces unit to the embassy, put her on a plane and fly her and her family to the United States. And if the Sudanese government wants to complain about it, the response should be “so try to stop us.”

    I know the feeling.

    Has anything good ever happened in Sudan? Or at least in the last 1,000 years?

  5. says

    I recall several weeks ago when I suggested that this was a job for the navy seals, I was viciously attacked by the usual defenders of Islam for even suggesting it.

    The defenders of Islam? Are you sure you couldn’t work some “nuke Iran” rhetoric into this as well?

  6. says

    raven “Has anything good ever happened in Sudan?”
    Sure, in the back seat. I mean, just try making out in the back of a Cupe.*

     
    * On a side note, I might have a concussion.

  7. marcus says

    “And if the Sudanese government wants to complain about it, the response should be “Fuck you, you misogynists assholes, so try to stop us.”
    FIFY

  8. grumpyoldfart says

    I think Obama should send a special forces unit to the embassy, put her on a plane and fly her and her family to the United States.

    Maybe; if the US Government considered her important enough. Otherwise, “Sorry lady, it’s all a bit too complicated – and if we do it for you we’ll have to do it for everyone.”

  9. marcus says

    me @ 7 (I do realize that this type of action might cause severe consequences for others caught up in similar circumstance as Ibrahim. Still, maybe we should save the ones we can…)

  10. rory says

    @colnago #3

    A quick search of Dispatches finds you made your comment about SEALs on June 24 (http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2014/06/24/ibrahim-re-arrested/). The comments critical of your statement point out that intervening militarily could set a dangerous precedent, and that a military operation could produce collateral damage.No one invoked Islam as a reason not to intervene in that thread, so I see no basis for your claim that opposition to your suggestion is rooted in Islamic apologetics.

    Furthermore, it’s disingeneous to suggest that what you were advocating (sending Navy SEALs to remove Ibrahim from the custody of the Sudanese government) is equivalent to what Ed’s talking about here (sending Special Forces to remove a U.S. citizen from a U.S. embassy because her safety cannot otherwise be assured).

  11. says

    Pardon me for pushing the pause button, but after she’s out, how well can we protect that embassy and any attached personnel who must go about their business locally? I”d prefer that the US government continue to try to work out a deal that gets her out of there.

  12. colnago80 says

    Re rory @ #11

    It should be noted that Nick Gotts who took issue with my comment is a notorious defender of Islam. It was not clear at the time that the Sudan was not going to carry out the death sentence. Fortunately, they did not and she and her family were able to take refuge in the US Embassy. However, there was no guarantee at the time that the sentence wouldn’t be carried, by the terrorists who arrested her at the airport if not the government. I don’t want a situation like Hungary in the 1960s/1970s where Cardinal Mindszenty was holed up in the US embassy for years. Given what happened in Iran where terrorists hijacked the US embassy and kidnapped our diplomats, there is no guarantee that the same thing wouldn’t happen in Sudan.

  13. Donnie says

    Colnago would have preferred to nuke Iran with any collateral damage by nuking South Sudan a feature not a bug to his genocidal thoughts.

  14. colnago80 says

    Re Donnie @ #14

    Apparently, ole Donnie doesn’t know the difference between Sudan and South Sudan. This occurred in Sudan. The woman claims to be a citizen of South Sudan.

  15. Dweller in Darkness says

    #1, I’m sure you know this, but the evangelical community has staunchly defended Ibrahim’s right to freedom. She uses the right words to describe herself, after all.

  16. says

    colnago, I just had a look at the link you provided, and once again, you prove yourself to be a fucking bigoted liar. You were not “viciously attacked,” and no one was “defending Islam.”

    You’re lying again, for no purpose, just like you were lying when you accused me of “celebrating” the murder of three innocent kids.

    You’re nothing but a hateful little single-issue threadjacking troll, and it’s time the FTBers started thinking seriously about treating you as one.

  17. eric says

    And if the Sudanese government wants to complain about it, the response should be “so try to stop us.”

    Ironically, if the Sudanese government did try and attack the embanssy, they’d probably throw everyone including her on a plane as fast as they could.

    From the article:

    Under the Islamic laws that Sudan applies, Muslim women are not permitted to marry Christian men.

    That’s not the issue any more. The issue now is, can she emigrate. Even if, under Sudanese law, she’s considered muslim and single, she should still be able to leave the country.

  18. says

    You’re nothing but a hateful little single-issue threadjacking troll, and it’s time the FTBers started thinking seriously about treating you as one.

    I suspect that this is already true to some degree.

  19. says

    Even if, under Sudanese law, she’s considered muslim and single, she should still be able to leave the country.

    In a sane country, one would think, but this new lawsuit appears to be based on the premise that she “belongs to her father and family.” I’m guessing one of the arguments will be that she can’t leave the country without the permission of a male relative.

    If that isn’t the basis for granting her asylum, I don’t know what is. Sneak her out in the dead of night if that’s what it takes.

  20. timpayne says

    Whether she’s extricated by diplomats or Navy Seals matters little to me. What I do hope is the moment her plane clears Sudanese airspace, a couple of cruise missiles pop out of the Red Sea targeted on her relatives’ homes and the court that issued the death sentence. Call it a cultural exchange.

  21. Holms says

    #13
    It should be noted that Nick Gotts who took issue with my comment is a notorious defender of Islam.

    Even if we grant this as true for the argument, it remains that his criticism of you did not invoke or even tangentially reference Islamic apologetics, making your characterisation of the criticism you recieved transparantly false.

    Also, lulz were had at the reason you provided. “But but he’s an Islamic apologist on other occasions therefore everything he says is Islamic apologetics! Even on those posts where it isn’t, it just is anyway!”

    #17
    You’re nothing but a hateful little single-issue threadjacking troll, and it’s time the FTBers started thinking seriously about treating you as one.

    Agreeing with #19: I for one have come to learn that any post that is even tangentially related to the middle east (and sometimes not related to it at all), will quickly have both colnago80 and SteveR (at least, I think that’s his name) making it alllllllll about Israel.

  22. colnago80 says

    Re Raging Bee @ #17

    Here’s Nick Gotts at #7

    Keeping the issue in the news is probably the best thing that can be done; colnago80′s idiot suggestion would quite likely lead to massacres of Christians, but I suspect that wouldn’t actually bother him.

    Here’s Nick Gotts @ #12

    Of course, there are bloodthirsty fuckwits who would much rather they and many others got killed in a military operation than that they reach safety, as is only too obvious on this thread.

    I don’t know about ole Bee but these sound pretty vicious to me, albeit not as vicious as the personal attacks that he regularly sends my way and StevoR’s way on this blog and Mano Singham’s blog.

  23. sc_770d159609e0f8deaa72849e3731a29d says

    her family of misogynists

    …or just greedy? If they want Meriam Ibrahim’s businesses and companies they probably aren’t very bothered about how they get them.

  24. says

    colnago, those two comments you quoted may be wrong, but they’re not “vicious attacks.” Both mentioned possible consequences of the policy you advocate; and neither was as “vicious” as the gratuitous hateful bullshit you spew at whoever you disagree with. You falsely accused me of “celebrating” the murder of three innocent kids, never backed up the accusation, and never admitted it was false either. You have no credibility, and no right to cry about harsh words from others. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.

  25. colnago80 says

    Re raging bee @ #25

    Hey, I have no problem with your vicious attacks on me. In fact, I revel in them and get a big laugh. Keep ‘em coming pal.

  26. says

    In other words, you just admitted you’re nothing but a troll who refuses to act like a responsible adult. All the more reason to ban your ignorant ass, just like Don Williams (your former best frenemy forever) and Larry Fafarman.

  27. colnago80 says

    Re Raging Bee @ #27

    Actually, I sort of miss ole Don who provided much levity to this blog with his nonsensical conspiracy theories. However, comparing me with Larry Fafarman is a low blow.

  28. Al Dente says

    colnago80 sees the world as split into two groups. Everyone is either an Islamophobe like colnago80 or else they’re defenders of Islam. There is not middle ground for Islam-haters like colnago80. Bigots tend to see things in black and white.

  29. dingojack says

    ‘I’ve reached the point where I think Obama should send a special forces unit to the embassy, put her on a plane and fly her and her family to the United States. And if the Sudanese government wants to complain about it, the response should be “so try to stop us.” ‘

    Oooh that’ll make an exciting movie. You could cast Mark Wahlberg in the lead, with Halle Berry as the female lead*. Call it ‘Blackhawk Down II: The adventure continues’. It’s sure to be a holiday hit.
    :/ Dingo
    ———-
    * All the names will have to be changed to protect the incompetent.

  30. Erp says

    There does seem to be some division within the Sudanese government over the case and it seems likely that her paternal family is at least as interested in her property as it is in her faith. She and her children are safe enough for the time being in the embassy (which given what happened to the last US embassy in Khartoum is probably fortified to the gills). Ideally the US has some people who really know the local situation and can persuade the authorities. A win there may also be a win for other people in similar situations who don’t have a spouse from the major power in the world.

    BTW knowing US paperwork in that part of government they probably haven’t issued her a visa or a green card yet.

  31. Nick Gotts says

    It should be noted that Nick Gotts who took issue with my comment is a notorious defender of Islam. – colnago80@13

    It should be noted that colnago80 is a notorious bigot, liar and advocate of genocide, and cannot, of course, provide a single case of me “defending Islam”, which is a false, absurd and in many cases repulsive belief system (or more accurately, collection of related belief systems). As rory and Raging Bee have both noted, my criticism of the proposal to use military force (and I extend that to Ed Brayton’s) is based on the likely consequences for local minorities. Suppose Ed Brayton’s specific proposal were followed, and then someone (whether or not that someone is controlled by the Sudanese regime hardly matters) shoots at the convoy taking the Ibrahims to the airport. Presumably the special forces unit fires back, and there are likely casualties on both sides – certainly on the Sudanese side. Whatever then happens to the Ibrahims, local Christians, south Sudanese and westerners working in Sudan will all be at risk. But hell, I guess to a lot of people the “honour” and “dignity” of the US of A count for more than such people’s lives – or for that matter, those of the Ibrahims themselves.

  32. Holms says

    I think it is pointless carrying a conversation with colnago80; he seems to have a habit of leaving a discussion shortly after dropping his idiot-bombs all over the thread.

  33. says

    Colnago has lots of habits that make him worse than useless in any conversation. He’s a lying bigoted hatemonger who has just confessed that he enjoys being a total asshole, and he has no problem spouting insane and outrageous lies. Furthermore, his continued obsessive fixation on that “Frankenburger” story of Hitler’s parentage strongly implies he may be a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer. All in all, not someone anyone would want to have anywhere near a grownup get-together.

  34. colnago80 says

    Re Raging Bee @ #34

    Furthermore, his continued obsessive fixation on that “Frankenburger” story of Hitler’s parentage strongly implies he may be a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer.

    Correction, grand-parentage.

    I guess that’s even worse then being a libertarian in the Bee world.

  35. colnago80 says

    Re Nick Gotts @ #32

    I notice that ole Nick didn’t answer the question of what he would do if it became clear that the sentence against the lady might be carried out.

    Suppose Ed Brayton’s specific proposal were followed, and then someone (whether or not that someone is controlled by the Sudanese regime hardly matters) shoots at the convoy taking the Ibrahims to the airport.

    That’s a good question. However, I wouldn’t use a convoy to transport her to the airport. I would use a convoy as a diversion to make the terrorists, including her “family” think she is being transported to the airport by the convoy and fly her out of the country in a military helicopter while the Sudanese are chasing after the diversion. In American football, that’s called a misdirection play. As for the collateral damage imagined by ole Nick, most of the Christian population in the former Sudan are actually in South Sudan.

  36. colnago80 says

    Re Al Dente @ #29

    I reject the allegation of Islamaphobia. Just for the information of ole Al, I know a number of Muslims, including a former PhD student of mine in transportation. I freely admit to being a severe critic of Muslim Islamofascists, just like Taslima, Maryam, and Kaveh who blog on this network.

  37. says

    Nick: I’m all in favor of some sort of rescue, because people in such situations deserve support. But you’re right about the likely consequences. Also, if US special forces swoop in to rescue one local victim of Islamist “justice,” what might happen if other people in the same situation (and there’s MILLIONS of such people) get the idea that the US might rescue them too?

    This particular woman has managed to get into a US embassy, and we have a good legal pretext to pull her out under diplomatic cover, using whatever backup we deem necessary. But that needs to be done carefully, because protecting diplomatic personnel doesn’t really give us a pretext to mount a full-on invasion, unless the said personnel come under direct attack from local forces.

    We’d be pretty pissed if the Chinese air force entered US airspace to protect Chinese diplomats on our soil; so I don’t think we have carte blanche to send a Seal team into Sudan.

  38. says

    I reject the allegation of Islamaphobia.

    Tough shit — it has far more support than your allegation that I “celebrated” the murder of innocent kids. You’re nothing but a shameless malicious lying obsessive troll, and Islamophobia is only one of the shameful bigotries you’ve shown here.

  39. colnago80 says

    Re Raging Bee @ #39

    It is my understanding that her husband is an American citizen and that she may be too via the marriage.

    Re Raging Bee @ #40

    Well, at least ole Bee is coming up with some new material. Keep ‘em coming pal.

  40. Holms says

    I actually ‘took a shot’ at you in my post #22. Essentially, that your characterisation of the criticisms of you in another thread were blatantly dishonest, and that your defense of that dishonest characterisation was dubious at best.

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