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Wingnuts Giddy Over Hobby Lobby Ruling

As expected, the Christian right is beside themselves with joy over the Hobby Lobby ruling. While I’m sure they would have preferred a much broader ruling, they got the result they wanted and some of them are saying some really dumb things about it. I’m sure you’ll be shocked to hear that one of them is Erick Erickson.

Really, Erick? So by your reasoning, a company could also refuse to cover, say, treatment of STDs or anti-retroviral drugs for those with HIV and that would be just fine, right? For that matter, it could refuse prenatal treatment and delivery of babies, since that is also a consequence of sex. How very “pro-life” of you. Amanda Marcotte rips him a new one for this:

Since even monogamous couples—even very long-married monogamous couples—use contraception, it’s telling that someone like Erickson is coupling contraception use with wanton and out of control sexuality. If you’re 40 years old and you have sex with your spouse of 15 years after you put the kids to bed, you are a crazed out of control slut who needs some “consequences” to force you to cut it out, I guess. I don’t know if guys like Erickson are just massive hypocrites or if their sex lives really are so pathetic that even a quickie between long-married spouses before the late show makes him writhe with bitter jealousy, but man, he has to know that the latter is what people are assuming, right? Obviously, there’s nothing wrong with having wanton sex with multiple partners, but it’s fascinating that even long-married couples who want to have sex with each other are on his shit list of bad, oversexed people.

Ouch. Harsh, but fair. The incredibly stupid Steve Deace:

Can the federal government mandate they use their proceeds for the killing of children? Since we know the Social Reconstructionists on the Left won’t stop pressing this question, rest assured we will find out. However, this opinion is also likely a preview of further defeats for the Obama Regime still to come. There are several non-profit challenges to the Obamacare killing mandate making their way through the courts, including the highly-publicized one involving the Little Sisters of the Poor. If SCOTUS has already said a for-profit company like Hobby Lobby has a religious exemption, it’s hard to see how it’s possible religious non-profits don’t as well.

Yeah, not a legal scholar, this guy. Religious non-profits already have a religious exemption. In fact, the ruling in Hobby Lobby explicitly says that the government could simply apply that exemption to for-profit companies, which would mean that if they object to including contraception in their group insurance policies, the insurance companies would have to provide a free rider to each employee that covers it. What this ruling really signals is that all those challenges to having to comply with the very simple requirements to get such an exemption are going to lose.

If we play our cards right, and God grants us a favor, we can use this as a momentum changer. That’s mainly thanks to the Green family, who just became the Rosa Parks of the religious liberty fight. Just as her refusal to comply with an unjust edict on a bus one day blew the lid off the civil rights movement, perhaps the Greens’ refusal to comply with Obamacare’s unjust edict can accomplish the same for a similarly worthy cause.

That worthy cause being…making sure people don’t have access to contraception, thus increasing the number of abortions. So very “pro-life.”

And then the even dumber Bryan Fischer:

Uh, no Bryan. The two cases have almost nothing to do with one another. The Roberts ruling in the case two years ago was about the scope of Congress’ ability to regulate interstate commerce and to tax. This case is about interpreting a specific statute. This is what happens when people who know absolutely nothing about constitutional law spout off about it, they make fools of themselves.

Comments

  1. raven says

    1. It is appalling. No other way to put it.

    2. It’s time to deal with it though. What is done is done.

    Don’t get mad, get even. Or, don’t get mad, go around it.

    Contraception is part of modern civilization and wildly popular even among fundie xians and their leaders. Steve Green himself only has three children, Dobson has one biological, Bush 2, Cheney 2, and so on.

    BC use among American women in relevant cohorts is 99%, 98% for Catholic women. This effects men as well as legally, they are (supposedly) responsible for the support of their children. And everyone who uses and benefits from birth control…votes.

  2. Jeremy Shaffer says

    Well, we at least have to give Erikson props for admitting that it has everything to so with religion and not a thing to do with “religious liberty”, whether the real kind of religious liberty or their ridiculous version of it.

  3. eric says

    Can the federal government mandate they use their proceeds for the killing of children?

    Dude, DOD is part of the federal government. So yes in fact you do support the notion that the federal government can do this.

  4. Crimson Clupeidae says

    As a humanist, I have a right to refuse to hire bigoted xians, right?

    …right?

  5. John Pieret says

    That worthy cause being…making sure people don’t have access to contraception

    I suspect it also includes the “worthy cause” of allowing Christian bigots engaged in businesses of public accommodation the “right” to discriminate against LGBT people.

  6. raven says

    Bryan Fischer Biography – American Family Association
    www. afa. net/detail.aspx?id=2147486648

    Bryan Fischer is the Director of Issue Analysis for Government and Public Policy at … married to his bride, Debbie, since 1976, and they have two grown children.

    Bryan Fischer only has two children.

    I assume he uses his ugly mind and personality as a form of birth control.

  7. raven says

    As a humanist, I have a right to refuse to hire bigoted xians, right?

    …right?

    The way things are going, you might in the near future.

    I’m a Pagan so who knows, maybe this will be the start of a new Pagan age. As an ex-xian, I know for a fact, that they have much better parties.

  8. abb3w says

    @0, Ed Brayton

    What this ruling really signals is that all those challenges to having to comply with the very simple requirements to get such an exemption are going to lose.

    Hopefully, anyway. It would be astonishing if either Alito or Kennedy would uphold those challenges after (respectively) writing and signing on to this opinion, but I’m not going to hold my breath on it.

  9. raven says

    Board | Georgia Life Alliance
    georgialifealliance. com/board/

    Erick Erickson is the Editor-in-Chief of RedState.com the most widely read right-of-center blog … He and his wife have three biological children and three foster children.

    Erick Erickson only has three biological children.

    Another success for the hate and ugly personality form of birth control.

    Whoever let him have three foster children is an idiot. While being an all around hater and bigot is an effective form of birth control, it isn’t a good environment for children, pets, or house plants.

  10. scienceavenger says

    My religion trumps your “right” to employer subsidized consequence free sex.

    Yeah, because non-subsidized consequence-full sex makes us all so much better off.

  11. whheydt says

    The decision wasn’t even an interpretation of a statute. The rule at issue was put in place by HHS.

    Much of the debate also overlooks the use some forms of birth control for the treatment of medical issues unrelated to contraception.

    On the broader front…there needs to be a community effort to identify and track for-profit companies and their stores & products that take advantage of this ruling. That way, one can try to avoid doing business with those companies and (where feasible) patronize their competitors. Plus, of course, be able to explain those choices to ones friends, neighbors and relatives.

  12. alanb says

    @raven: BC use among American women in relevant cohorts is 99%, 98% for Catholic women.

    Those figures are for women who have ever used birth control, including a single occasion. I believe that the number of women not trying to get pregnant who regularly use birth control is something like 88%. I don’t know how many of the remaining 12% don’t use it because they are not in a current relationship and how many have developed a religious objection to it.

  13. says

    One ‘funny’ observation…Since Roe v Wade, women could legally get abortions, and at NO time did they have to sue for the right to get one after that ( as long as trimeester requirements were met)…Think about this per the HobbyLobby ruling. EVERY time someone is denied some aspect of healthcare for religious reasons, there will be just cause to sue against that measure. At some point, in EVERY situation, the courts will HAVE to be called on to ‘decide’ whethwer the exemption is legtimate…The HL ruling is somewhat unique in that there will ALWAYS be just cause to oppose the law…No company will be able to simply declare by fiat…

  14. Loqi says

    @Jeremy Shaffer #2
    Actually, it’s not even about religion; it’s about controlling women. Erickson demonstrated this in another (even more vile) tweet, saying he was going to celebrate the ruling by forcing his wife to make him a sandwich.

  15. busterggi says

    “That worthy cause being…making sure people don’t have access to contraception”

    No, the worthy cause is making employees who don’t believe in their employer’s religion follow its rules anyway. Of course this applies only to SCOTUS-approved versions of Christianity.

  16. raven says

    don’t know how many of the remaining 12% don’t use it because they are not in a current relationship and how many have developed a religious objection to it.

    Or because they are going out with other women.

    Fundies make heterosexuality seem so appealing, it’s a wonder women even bother with it.

    Between misogyny, domestic violence, frequent murders, forced child bearing, female slavery, men not paying child support for their children, trying to balance a career with a family, getting stuck in dead end low paying jobs etc., being celibate or lesbian starts looking better and better.

  17. says

    That’s mainly thanks to the Green family, who just became the Rosa Parks of the religious liberty fight.

    Who knew that Rosa Parks refused, based on closely-held religious beliefs that things that don’t kill fetuses kill fetuses, to pay the employer-share of the company’s subsidized transportation program if employees (and the State) insisted that the program had to cover bus passes?

  18. karmacat says

    This is a quick list that I came up with for medical uses of contraceptives. this is what the 5 supreme court justices ignored when they made their ruling. Birth control is a medical issue and not a moral issue

    Medical Uses for oral contraceptives (in no order of importance)
    1. Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)
    2. Endometriosis
    3. Amenorrhea
    4. Menstrual Cramps
    5. Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS)
    6. Heavy Menstrual Periods
    7. Acne
    8. Ovarian cysts
    9. Migraines
    10. Irregular menstrual periods
    11. To prevent Benign breast disease
    12. to prevent pelvic inflammatory disease
    13. To prevent pregnancy and ectopic pregnancy and all the complications that come with pregnancy

    Of women use contraceptives:
    58% of women use contraceptives for other conditions in addition to prevent pregnancy

  19. says

    In some ways, I’m actually grateful for this ruling. The Supreme Court has just given us the biggest argument for ditching the employer-based model for health coverage.

    Raven@10:

    Are you as amazed as I am that there’s a woman who had sex with Erickson at least three times?

  20. magistramarla says

    My two youngest girls were on BC by the age of 13 for treatment of ovarian cysts.
    I wonder if parents will be able to sue when their daughters die or are made infertile because the cysts are untreated?

  21. says

    magistramaria@22:

    If they’re legitimate ovarian cysts, the female body has a way of shutting that whole thing down.

    Don’t be surprised if a republican congress critter makes that very argument.
    In all seriousness, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if this doesn’t trigger numerous lawsuits in which women are forced to sue their employers because they need the BC pill for treatment of cysts or some other medical problem and their employer tries to block it because they don’t believe them.

  22. smrnda says

    I actually think most of these theocrats would be fine with extending their control into employee’s lives outside of work. I’m sure plenty think they should be allowed to refuse benefits to same sex spouses on the grounds that they should not have to ‘subsidize’ a marriage they don’t agree with.

    On employers, I’m sure many employers feel outraged that they can’t pay you in company money only good at the company store – why should they have to subsidize any ‘lifestyle’ that isn’t spending all your time at work? Employers fight against minimum wage, pretty much any pro worker law. Shit, slave owners whined about how expensive slaves were. Overall, the opinions of oppressors just shouldn’t count.

  23. smrnda says

    @dc wilson

    I think this could be an interesting lose for the employers. If they say “I will cover bc for non-slutty reasons’ (their words, not mine) they are asking to violate HIPAA. Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised to see conservatives go after HIPAA.

  24. whheydt says

    Re: smmda

    Well…they might not go after HIPAA if someone reminds them that removing it will–for all practical purposes–make their own medical records public. (Along with those of their spouses, kids, paramours, etc.)

  25. says

    It would be appalling and schadenfreudlistically delicious if Ericscum’s wife gave him permanent birth control, with that same knife she just used to slice his samich. Yeah, I’m a mean person, I’d laugh my ass off.

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