Prophecies Being Fulfilled! Again!


Joel Richardson, like so many other wingnuts, fancies himself an expert on Biblical “prophecy.” And like every other self-declared expert on the subject over the last 2000 years, he’s convinced that events today are the fulfillment of “prophecy” and that we are living in the end times.

Now, I have always interpreted the vision to pertain to the historical empires of Medo-Persia and Greece, and then the little horn, while being partially fulfilled in the life of Antiochus Epiphanes, to be ultimately fulfilled in the last days through Antichrist. Many other commentators hold to this view as well. Although I have more than 100 commentaries on the book of Daniel, I had never really considered any other view until I read “Daniel Revisited” by Mark Davidson. In that book, Davidson, taking a radical futurist perspective, makes some excellent points that I had simply never considered. When we actually read the explanation of Gabriel, the truth is that he does not make any such break in the vision, placing some of it in history and some of it the future. He simply says that the vision pertains to the time of the end. And then he says it again.

If the ultimate meaning of the entire vision is eschatological, pertaining to the time of the end, while it may certainly maintain a historical partial fulfillment, it may also very well speak of two forthcoming regional wars. The first war would be Iran “butting” as it were to the west, the north and the south – into the nations of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and perhaps Bahrain, Azerbaijan and as far as Israel and Egypt. But after this, Turkey in the east would launch a counter offensive. After this time, it appears as though out of the ashes of these wars, in the region stretching from Nineveh (Mosul) to Turkey, we should expect to see the Antichrist arise, starting small but then gaining in power. With Iran already declaring that it will enter the fray in Iraq to respond to the ISIS offensive, the beginning of Daniel’s vision may very well be beginning to unfold right in front of us. Am I saying that this is absolutely how it is going to happen and that “this is that?” Not yet, but I think we can all acknowledge that what is now unfolding in Iraq and Iran makes this all a very real possibility.

You know, the “prophecies” in the Bible truly are wondrous things. They have the ability to be fulfilled hundreds of times over, in every single generation for at least 2000 years. But don’t worry, I’m sure this time they aren’t completely full of shit and are interpreting acid trips and bad dreams in a totally rational way.

Comments

  1. gingerbaker says

    But don’t worry, I’m sure this time they aren’t completely full of shit and are interpreting acid trips and bad dreams in a totally rational way.

    Who’s worrying?

    I’m quite enjoying being swept off my feet with the partial fulfillment if not ultimate frisson of eschatological acknowledgement of real possibility, thank you very much.

  2. Trebuchet says

    When I was in college 40+ years ago my friends and I went to a three-day series of lectures by Hal Lindsay. (From boredom.) The first night was semi-reasonable, the second a little weird, and the third batshit insane. Much like Richardson.

    Lindsey predicted the imminent invasion of Israel by Russian cavalry, because the Bible says something about horses. Imminent as in “any day now”. I’m still waiting for that Russian cavalry.

  3. colnago80 says

    Re Trebuchet @ #6

    Even 40 years ago, horsed cavalry was obsolete and had been so for 50 years at that point in time.

  4. says

    I am so tired of the end of the world. Have you noticed how it seems to be speeding up? The end of the world used to occur once a decade or so. Now it’s an annual affair, with the “prophets” lined up awaiting their turn. No shoving, guys! If only they’d go rapture themselves and leave sensible people alone!

  5. says

    With Iran already declaring that it will enter the fray in Iraq to respond to the ISIS offensive, the beginning of Daniel’s vision may very well be beginning to unfold right in front of us.

    Just like last time, during the Iran-Iraq war.

     
    Trebuchet “Oops, ‘Lindsey’, not ‘Lindsay’.”
    Oh. Too bad. Hal Lindsay Lohan was pretty good in Mean Girls.

  6. nrdo says

    @ Trebuchet
    By Russians, he meant Russian businessmen and by cavalry he meant yachts. Their invasion and mass purchase of beach condos has been devastating, actually.

    You see, the prophecy is [i]always[/i] right. You just have to squeeze a little . . .

  7. lorn says

    Speak in broad and unspecific platitudes and your words will be both universally applicable and universally inapplicable. Write them on the walls of a bathroom and they are soon forgotten. Get them into one of the many holy texts and people will wonder about what you meant for a thousand years.

    Prophecy is supposed to be special information handed down from on high by a supreme being but the information is neither special nor anything that indicates divine knowledge or understanding. The information is always either knowledge well understood in its day, but not necessarily the location of the writer, or so unspecific as to be useless. Find me a prophecy that reveals some fact that nobody on earth knew about at eh time of the writing. Perhaps a fact that nobody on earth at the time had ever thought about a that time. If I could turn to Deuteronomy and find the frequency of gravitational waves or about the existence of Pluto I would be duly impressed.

    As it is a lot of the science the Bible pushes was known to be wrong by the Greeks and Persians hundreds of years prior and either lost or hadn’t made it yet to the Eastern Mediterranean.

  8. says

    lorn “s it is a lot of the science the Bible pushes was known to be wrong by the Greeks and Persians hundreds of years prior and either lost or hadn’t made it yet to the Eastern Mediterranean.”
    If it’s so “wrong” then why did God put it in the book that He wrote?! Checkmate, Athiesm!

  9. CJO says

    Apocalyptic was a mode of discourse. Primarily political in orientation. The author of Daniel was evoking the stentorian bombast of already archaic “prophetic” language for a certain effect. The cosmic goings-on are a cipher for an anti-Seleucid diatribe, not necessarily a reflection of any particular set of eschatological beliefs.

  10. CJO says

    “Eastern Mediterranean” is often used to mean the regions of the Eastern littoral, so basically Egypt, the Levant and Northwestern Mesopotamia up to Southeast Anatolia, not just anything in the Eastern half, which Greece certainly is. Orientalism, basically. Anything the Persians conquered and held as satrapies has been “the East” ever since, and Greece, standing at the source of “the Western Tradition” as it does is, perforce, part of “the West”.

  11. scott says

    How come nobody ever reads through some prophecy and reports “We’re cool, keep paying your mortgages, it’s pretty clear to me that the end of the world isn’t coming any time soon.”?

  12. grumpyoldfart says

    The sad thing is that schools need only teach students how to recognise logical fallacies and most of these charlatans would disappear for lack of audience.

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