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May 11 2014

Jeffress: God Has Already Decided Some Issues

Southern Baptist preacher Robert Jeffress also spoke at that “Washington: A Man of Prayer” event on Capitol Hill. He gave a predictably ridiculous speech in which he declared that while we can debate some public policies, others were decided by God in the Bible and should be settled as a result.

“In this Capitol building,” Jeffress continued, “issues such as immigration policy, healthcare reform, taxation policy — all those things can and should be debated vigorously. But there are some issues that are beyond debate, for the judge of the universe has already rendered His opinion.”

Jeffress identified ‘the value of life inside and outside the womb,” “the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman,” and “the right to religious freedom” as three issues on which God has already rendered his verdict.

Really? I don’t recall a single verse anywhere in the Bible that supports the idea of religious freedom. I can think of several that clearly say the opposite. Like Deuteronomy 13: 6-10:

“If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you … Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.”

And Deuteronomy 17: 2-5:

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

And yet our constitution quite explicitly says that every person has a right to practice their religion and express their religion to others and try to convince them of its truth. And if you followed these commands, you would be imprisoned for murder. There is no such thing as religious freedom in the Bible. And given the number of innocent babies that God orders the slaughter of in the Bible, any talk about God and the “value of life” is utter nonsense.

You see, Pastor Jeffress, this is not a theocracy. God doesn’t get to decide a damn thing in this country.

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  1. 1
    Kevin Kehres

    First Commandment: Worship no other god but me.

    First Amendment: Worship any god you like; or none at all.

    Simple, really.

  2. 2
    bahrfeldt

    “while we can debate some public policies, others were decided by God in the Bible and should be settled as a result”. C’mon, what about eating kosher, observing the sabbath and the Jewish holidays? Personally, I’d miss cheeseburgers. And shrimp.

  3. 3
    Trebuchet

    “Religious Freedom”. You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

    What Jeffress actually means, of course, is that everyone should be free to worship the evenagelical Xian god in exactly the way he says they should.

  4. 4
    dingojack

    Exodus 21:22-3

    If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
    And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,”

    So god says: ‘Meh, leave it to the husband and the courts’.

    Well, still Pastor, one out of three….

    Dingo

  5. 5
    Marcus Ranum

    Why aren’t fundie christians muslims? Same god. Same authentication: a book, divinely inspired, a prophet. There’s even overlap (like Smith did later, mohammed lifted stories and text from the bible)
    For that matter why aren’t they mormons? Same deal.

    Somehow they are able to decide christianity is true and not islam. If there’s a true miracle its that their heads don’t explode from the cognitive dissonance.

  6. 6
    alanb

    Nor does the Bible say anything about “the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman.” But you guys misunderstand: Jeffress isn’t using the Bible to determine what God has decided. He has a direct line to God and therefore knows exactly what He has decided. And, amazingly, it turns out to be exactly what Jefress wants.

  7. 7
    Randomfactor

    God doesn’t get to decide a damn thing in this country.

    Because we’re a no-damn nation.

  8. 8
    rbh3

    If God is omniscient, everything is already decided. He just hasn’t let us in on it yet.

  9. 9
    Al Dente

    Whenever someone says they know God’s thoughts then God always has the same opinions and prejudices as his mouthpiece.

  10. 10
    Josef Mulroney

    by “freedom of religion” he means freedom to be christian and impose christianity on those who are not christian.

  11. 11
    vmanis1

    Jeffress is just another clown taking the Lord’s name in vain.

  12. 12
    mikeyb

    Jeffress stay in Texas. keep your theocracy the fuck out of the rest of the country.

  13. 13
    roggg

    In christian fundie speak, religious freedom means the freedom to worship the christian god, whenever, wherever, and however you wish. That freedom is only extended to christians. Any other worship, or even secularism is considered a violation of their religious freedom. It’s a very self-centered viewpoint.

  14. 14
    matty1

    Immigration policy.

    Exodus 22:21. Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.

    Taxation

    Mark 12:17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.

    Fucking cafeteria Christians

  15. 15
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ ^ Matty1 : Also eating Shrimp is an abomination a sis wearing clothes woven of two clothes (other pronunciation) as are, well a whole damn lot of things as seen here :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc

    Especially at the 1 minute 30 seconds mark onwards.

    (An oldie but a goodie.)

  16. 16
    Matrim

    The only thing I remember the Bible saying about actual abortion was about it being used as both proof and punishment for a woman being unfaithful. I guess you could argue the Bible is in favor of abortion, but only for punitive reasons.

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