Fleming: We Can’t Let Our Precious Veterans Smoke Pot!


Rep. John Fleming was one of the members of the House of Representatives who voted down an amendment that would have allowed VA doctors from discussing medical marijuana with veterans in states that allow it. On Tony Perkins’ radio show he explained his ignorant and ridiculous rationale:

“Why in the world would we want to go out and damage and injure and even create death and destruction to our beloved veterans who have put their lives on the line by giving them marijuana?”…

“It’s like adding gasoline to a fire. You would never order for a veteran that they begin drinking alcohol in response to PTSD, you would never tell a veteran they should use heroin as a solution to their depression problems, well that’s what you’re doing by suggesting the use of marijuana,” he said.

The Department of Health and Human Services just a few weeks ago finally approved the first real study on the effect of marijuana use on PTSD, so we will have solid evidence to go on in the next couple years. There’s much anecdotal evidence that it can have a positive effect on PTSD and lots of vets who want to have legal access to it. And of course, PTSD is not the only condition for which marijuana might be useful in helping alleviate suffering. Like most drug warriors, Fleming just lumps all illegal drugs together as though they were all the same thing.

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  1. says

    “Why in the world would we want to go out and damage and injure and even create death and destruction to our beloved veterans who have put their lives on the line by giving them marijuana?”…

    Obviously he missed Vietnam.

  2. Synfandel says

    Medical marijuana is prescribed by medical doctors to treat medical conditions. Who is Representative John Fleming to tell doctors how to practise their highly skilled profession?

  3. says

    Yes, overuse of marijuana can be a problem. But so can overuse of alcohol, and it’s legal. The primary damage done by marijuana is that it’s (in most places and situations) illegal, leading to the control of the market by criminals, who will use violence to retain control of that market, and users doing things they might not ordinarily do in an effort to avoid arrest.

  4. raven says

    “Why in the world would we want to go out and damage and injure and even create death and destruction to our beloved veterans who have put their lives on the line by giving them marijuana?”…

    Rep. John Fleming is rather stupid.

    21 Legal Medical Marijuana States and DC – Medical …
    medicalmarijuana. procon. org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881‎

    Apr 25, 2014 – … 21 states and DC have enacted laws to legalize medical marijuana ….. how much medicinal marijuana patients may grow and possess.

    1. 21 states already have legalized medical marijuana. So any veterans in those states can get it if they want.

    2. THC, the active drug is available by prescription as Marinol.

  5. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Fleming: We Can’t Let Our Precious Veterans Smoke Pot!

    Just try to stop them arsehole!

    .. Or better for everyone esp. you. at least – don’t.

  6. John Pieret says

    Uh, dude? I suspect most of our “beloved veterans” already know about marijuana. Just a guess …

    The idea of medical marijuana is that 1) it be legal for them to have it, not adding a drug bust to the problems they are already facing and 2) that the person is regularly seeing medical professionals to assess their progress with the PTSD.

    BTW, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if moderate use of alcohol (for those who aren’t alcoholics, obviously) has been recommended to reduce stress for PTSD patients and, of course, we give all sorts of narcotics and other pain killers to soldiers and veterans.

    Medicine, how the fuck does it work?

  7. Alverant says

    Why in the world would we want to go out and damage and injure and even create death and destruction to our beloved veterans who have put their lives on the line by starting wars for political reasons and running them poorly?

    FIFY Flem!

  8. says

    I would say knowing the effects of Marijuana that it would have a calming effect.

    Except on those people prone to paranoia from weed in which case it would not be advisable to use.

  9. dingojack says

    “I’m sorry Mr Fleming I know that ride-on mower all but cut off right foot and shredded your almost all of left leg, but we just can’t give you Pethidine.
    You see it’s an opioid, like Heroin or Opium, and why in the world would we want to go out and damage and injure and even create death and destruction to one of our beloved Republican Representative nutjobs who have put their lives on the line to deny solid, well proven medical science so as to hurt others, all in order to placate their psychopathic imaginary friend?
    Here have an aspirin tablet.”

    Dingo

  10. pocketnerd says

    Hydrocodone (Lorcet or Vicodin) is the #1 prescription in the United States. But medical marijuana? Why, that stuff’s dangerous!

  11. says

    @raven

    2. THC, the active drug is available by prescription as Marinol.

    As an FYI, THC is the main active drug, but not the only. Cannabidiol (CBD) and other active Cannabinoid (I beleive some 60 have been identified). The different ratio’s of these can affect the overall “high” (I hate that term), and different people respond differently to them.

    Which is another reason why legalization is good – At least here in California, most dispensaries have their products lab tested for the major active compounds, and label them as such. So if know high CBN makes me paranoid, and that CBD and THC make me drowsy (they for me) then low CBN higher CBD is better for me (insomnia) .

  12. John Horstman says

    If heroin is an effective “solution to their depression problems”, I absolutely WOULD say veterans with depression should use it. That’s becasue I try to base my decisions on actual outcomes and not a baselessly essentialist value system that posits objects as intrinsically Good or Bad.

  13. tsig says

    One thing we cannot give these “beloved” veterans is the freedom they fought for.

  14. says

    Sure, giving them the marihuan seems to make sense now, to your addled Liberal minds, but what about when they come back asking for prescriptions for acoustic guitars and driftwood bonfires?

  15. dingojack says

    Screw the “acoustic guitars and driftwood bonfires”, what about when they go nuts and tear up a movie theatre – I saw it in a documentary film.
    :) Dingo

  16. Trebuchet says

    @1, Marcus Ranum:

    Obviously he missed Vietnam.

    My first thought as well. I’d guess, based on my own observation, that pot use among soldiers of my generation exceeded 50%. The other half abused alcohol.

  17. says

    Hey Fleming is just another conservative standing up to the evil liberals who are always looking to let the government tell doctors how they can and can’t treat their patients.

    Oh wait…

  18. freehand says

    I think Fleming has a point. And who amongst us is as important as soldiers, and who fights as fiercely for this country? Legislators, that’s who! I think Rep. Fleming should lead the way to writing a bill that would make it a felony for anyone to provide alcohol to a US legislator. Who, after all, could condone writing a law with a pickled brain? Who has more self-control than a US senator or congressperson? Nobody, that’s who! Take the next step with Rep. Fleming – Jesus loves sober legislators, and so do all responsible haters of irresponsible and godless behavior. No more having fun in the sacred halls of congress – Jesus died on the cross for you. Was He having fun?

  19. bushrat says

    Sure, giving them the marihuan seems to make sense now, to your addled Liberal minds, but what about when they come back asking for prescriptions for acoustic guitars and driftwood bonfires?

    Now, if the acoustic guitars are properly used to play Country or Western as God intended then no harm could possibly come to a TruAmerican Patriot™ It’s only harmful when used improperly to play the Devil’s music. And if those driftwood fires are used to BBQ I believe the meatiness will neutralize any harmful inclinations toward dirty hippyness given off by the driftwood.

  20. magistramarla says

    And yet, it’s perfectly fine to over-prescribe narcotic drugs just because they are prescriptions?
    I deal with chronic pain, but I can’t take those narcotic drugs since I’m violently allergic to any opioid (even eating something made with poppy seeds will send me into anaphylactic shock).
    I would love to find out if medical marijuana would help, with medical supervision, since I react so strangely to so many drugs. Unfortunately, that’s not happening any time soon here in Texas.

  21. says

    What about prescriptions for Twinkies? Those things cost a lot when bought in bulk.

    I think some older people (I am 64) have an unnatural fear of drugs. My mother was dying of emphysema a few years ago. She was using a narcotic patch constantly and she had a Tylenol with codeine if the pain got worse. My father was afraid she would become a drug addict if she took the Tylenol with codeine, so he would just give her regular codeine. I tried to point out that she was already addicted to the much-stronger patch and, since she was on the verge of dying, it really wasn’t a problem. It later turned out that the patch wasn’t releasing the drugs consistently and the codeine would have really helped her.

  22. Ichthyic says

    We Can’t Let Our Precious Veterans Smoke Pot!

    so… nobody’s gonna quote Dr. Strangelove, or take another poke at the Birchers?

    Is it that I’m dating myself, or is it just so obvious that there isn’t a need?

  23. says

    “Who is Representative John Fleming to tell doctors how to practise their highly skilled profession?”

    Bill Frist’s bastard son?

    I haven’t smoked in years but it’s not because of any perceived harm. I don’t smoke pot for the same reasons that I don’t own a gun–they’re both expensive (to me), unnecessary and can be psychologically addictive–teh gunz for sure, the jury’s still out on pot.

    The VA is much more biddable when I want painkillers then when I ask them for Adderall–asking for any sort of amphetamine seems to make them go into anaphylactic shock.

  24. pocketnerd says

    Thus Spake Zarademocommie, #24:

    I haven’t smoked in years but it’s not because of any perceived harm. I don’t smoke pot for the same reasons that I don’t own a gun–they’re both expensive (to me), unnecessary and can be psychologically addictive–teh gunz for sure, the jury’s still out on pot.

    Guns are psychologically addictive? That would sure explain a lot. I’ve always told people “If holding a firearm gives you a sudden feeling of power and an urge to action, carefully put the weapon down, back away from it, and never touch it again.” Firearms have never done that for me, but I swear, some people touch them and are instantly filled with Wild West / Prohibition Gangster / Last Man On Earth fantasies.

  25. says

    Ichthyic@22:

    Is it that I’m dating myself…

    If we think there’s been quite a kerfuffle about same sex marriage, just wait until the religious Right gets wind of people who are dating themselves and presumably going to want self-marriage to be legalized :-P

  26. dingojack says

    David – don’t tell ‘em about Dendrochronology or tree-ring dating — their heads will explode.
    Dingo

  27. says

    “some people touch them and are instantly filled with Wild West / Prohibition Gangster / Last Man On Earth fantasies?”

    Shit! So many film treatments to spitball, so little talent to do it with!!

    But, still, you’ve given me an idea for another one:

    “Last Omega Man Standing at the OK Corral”

    “don’t tell ‘em about Dendrochronology or tree-ring dating”

    But they’re exchanging “promise rings” and vowing not to cross pollinate until they’re mature.

  28. dingojack says

    Demo – Nah — unspeakable acts involving the anal sphincters of Ents.
    :) Dingo.

  29. says

    This:

    ““Look at the downstream cost to society when you have, as in the case of the VA, all of these veterans who are going to have lung cancer, emphysema, brain damage, heart disease as a result of that so what we’re doing really is putting money in the pockets of some very greedy people out there who are taking advantage of this.”

    Is a shitton of lies and even if the assertions were fact based the folks gettin’ rich offa BigMed, BigPharma and BigThat’snotcoveredbyyourplan are the ones makin’ the money. The VA has something like 6 million people that they currently care for with an additional 15 or so million eligible at some level.

    Oh, btw:

    “His book, Preventing Addiction: What Parents Must Know to Immunize Their Kids Against Drug And Alcohol Addiction was published in2006.”*

    And, yes he is a doctor so he knows full well that he’s lying.

    **http://www.bing.com/search?q=Rep.+John+Fleming&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=AGJB

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