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May 06 2014

Oh No! The End Times! Just Like Noah!

Someone should make a list of every book and every Christian who has claimed that we’re living in the end times and Jesus is coming back any time now. It would start with Paul and the apostles, of course. Glenn Beck’s website promotes the latest one.

Is mankind evolving into a more peaceful and prosperous people – or are we on a path toward ever-increasing moral depravity, social chaos and destruction?

Answering that dichotomy depends on one’s worldview, but Christian author Jeff Kinley is in the latter camp, telling TheBlaze that he sees human beings continuously and perilously cutting God out of society.

“I look around my world and I think, ‘Wow, we’ve written God out of our own story here,’” Kinley recently said in an interview. “We’re content in living in our own lives.”

He says that like it’s a bad thing. And of course, the opposite is true. The key to human progress over the last couple centuries has been unshackling ourselves from religious dogma. Think about how starkly different society is is from, say, the early 1700s, not technologically but morally. 300 years ago most people believed that not only was it okay to own slaves but that it was ordained by God. Now almost no one believes that. The notion of equality for women was so absurd that few people would even entertain the idea, and here again it was believed to derive from divine decree.

Freedom of religion was virtually non-existent everywhere and believed to be a heretical idea that would bring down the wrath of God on any society that entertained it. People were still having holes bored in their tongues for the “crime” of blasphemy and even being the wrong kind of Christian could get you imprisoned or even put to death. Being gay was so unthinkable that it was scarcely mentioned except as an abominable crime against nature.

All of those things have changed and all for the better. Those beliefs are still held but only by a small minority of people (except with the gay thing, where it’s a large, but shrinking, minority of people). This is tremendous moral progress. It is immoral to own others, it is immoral to discriminate against people, it is immoral to oppress women and prevent them from reaching their potential. These are moral issues, very important ones.

The author, who believes Noah, the flood and the ark unfolded as the Bible recounts, draws parallels between contemporary culture and the “pandemic godlessness of the earth” during Noah’s in his new book “As It Was in the Days of Noah.”

Human behavior then and now, he posits, isn’t all that different.

“Humanity had forgotten God so literally every man just did what they thought was right in their own eyes,” Kinley said of the days of Noah.

As for the current conditions, the author described what he sees as “pandemic unrestrained immorality” and “a falling away of the purity of faith.”

Kinley proceeded to describe how society’s current treatment of God mirrors the Bible’s depiction of the “end times” – a time-frame in Christian theology that precedes the Earth’s end.

Oh yes, of course. It’s the end times. This is a repeat from every year for the past nearly 2000 years.

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  1. 1
    Kevin Kehres

    Available on eBay for $10.60.

    All that nice shiny money.

  2. 2
    Trebuchet

    “Paul and the Apostles” was the name of a band started by some of my high school classmates. Just sayin’.

  3. 3
    raven

    Human behavior then and now, he posits, isn’t all that different.

    Oh really?

    In the time of Noah the Sons of god (angels) came unto the daughters of men and begat Nephilim!!!.

    Half angel half human hybrids who were mighty men of renown (whatever that means).

    I’ll believe this era is just like Noah’s when we see a lot of angels, angel-human marriages, and Nephilim running around again.

  4. 4
    matty1

    society’s current treatment of God mirrors the Bible’s depiction of the “end times”

    Right because the big thing at the moment is all these multi-headed beasts coming out of the sea.

  5. 5
    dhall

    “I look around my world and I think, ‘Wow, we’ve written God out of our own story here,’” Kinley recently said in an interview.

    And yet, it feels more like there are increasing numbers of evangelicals determined to shove their religion into every aspect of everyone’s life all the time. I had students complain to my dean this past semester because in my lectures about the Protestant Reformation, I never seemed to reinforce or support Christianity. All I did was give the history and explain the difference in the doctrines, they said. He asked them, well, since she’s a history professor, and it was a history class, why would you expect anything more? So it seems I ought to add a note in my syllabi explaining what my job consists of, and what it does not. And this is a secular college.

    BTW – was there an ark for plants? Seems like someone would have had to save every species of plant too . . .

  6. 6
    dingojack

    Humanity had forgotten God so literally every man just did what they thought was right in their own eyes,” Kinley said of the days of Noah.” [Emphasis mine].

    Including Noah and his sons (presumably) to hear Kinley tell it.

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    Dingo

  7. 7
    John Pieret

    We’re content in living in our own lives

    Just whose lives should we live?

    It’s the end times. This is a repeat from every year for the past nearly 2000 years.

    Gotta give ‘em credit for consistency.

  8. 8
    hexidecima

    oh for the chance to put all of these idiots onto an island where they won’t have to partake in any of our modern conveniences that they claim to hate. It’d make a great reality show, all death and harm from things humans have researched and countered, and civil war between TrueTheists.

  9. 9
    Marcus Ranum

    ‘Wow, we’ve written God out of our own story here,’” Kinley recently said in an interview. “We’re content in living in our own lives.”

    Yup. Correct.

  10. 10
    NitricAcid

    “Think about how starkly different society is is from, say, the early 1700s, not technologically but morally. 300 years ago most people believed that not only was it okay to own slaves but that it was ordained by God. Now almost no one believes that. ”

    Only if you’re looking in North America. Boko Haram seems to still be stuck in that mindset.

  11. 11
    Pierce R. Butler

    … literally every man just did what they thought was right in their own eyes…

    At least the women still did what they were told, so it can’t have been all bad – right, Kinley?

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  13. 13
    freehand

    dhall – In the secular community college I attended, I watched two missionaries in training storm out of our Comparative Religion class because “The professor was teaching the bible wrong.”
    .
    “But,” he explained, “I’m not teaching what the bible says, I’m teaching what several hundred million Roman Catholics thinks it says…”
    .
    These people do not do metaphors well, nor science fiction, science, history, and introspection. “What if” questions of any kind are not allowed.

  14. 14
    busterggi

    The death cult that is Christianity just can’t exist without the contiual threat of the end of the world.

    I’m surprised that Christians aren’t demanding that all productions of ‘Annie’ be cancelled just to avoid hearing the song “Tomorrow” as being anti-god.

  15. 15
    Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach

    Artor @#12,

    Holy shit! You’re telling me that Two-Headed Shark Attack wasn’t a terrible B-movie, it was a documentary?

  16. 16
    greg1466

    Human behavior then and now, he posits, isn’t all that different.

    “Humanity had forgotten God so literally every man just did what they thought was right in their own eyes,”

    Actually human behavior then, now and everywhere in between was not only all that different, but exactly the same. Every man has always done what was right in his own eyes. It’s just that most of them have blamed an imaginary friend for it.

  17. 17
    matty1

    Artor @#12,

    OK, you have me convinced. I should have realised when they tattooed 666 on my forehead and ordered me to worship the antichrist.

  18. 18
    peterh

    A substantial proportion of the NT concerns itself with the fact that “Jesus is coming back any time now” wasn’t showing any signs of happening ever if at all. The “wasn’t showing any signs of happening” has an unblemished track record.

  19. 19
    anubisprime

    The dumb theists problem is that they have run out of cogent argument.
    The philosophical theist. or in many cases just the scam leader, has let them down badly, they have cobbled together so much juvenile codswollop based on pre-science knowledge in the dark ages, that even the committed are bivalent about accepting the premises offered.

    The world has moved on exponentially, and with it the deep understanding of physics, chemistry, and biology.

    The scammers and the bozos like Kinley trade in what deep seated ignorance is left in their world, still quite a hefty dollop but slowly dissipating as reality and rationality seep into the collective consciousness, a trickle down affect from the real world into their artificially made up one, but they exploit what is left mercilessly, those houses, holidays, jewellery and cars do not buy themselves.

    Dumb folks look to find thrills in the mundane, if those thrills come with a tacky clanking skeleton of real threat and fear, so much the better.

    The bozos like chummy provide the thrills, and the ‘professionals’ furnish the fear from their pulpits, sometimes those ‘professionals’ get jealous of the thrill providers and they themselves start providing the thrills…depends on IQ level and community ‘served’…in other words what they can get away with.

    One of the favourite scams is the end of the world mantra…usually dressed up as vague predictions and claiming some arcane coda woven through bizarre scriptural rantings and the usual incredulous claim of …”Can it be coincidence that the number of Obama’s warts equals the number of angels dancing on a pinhead?…burble burble burble….” in fact anything that can be twisted to fit, and what intrinsic or required part or element from the scenario that is missing they make up…simples!…that is religion 101 right there…

    This is just chick tract scrawling…fuckin’ hilarious, except the victims love it, they crave the thrill and think they have a shot at avoiding the conclusion …pray harder…evangelise …raise money…believe utter bullshite…all is good!

    These days they are trying to be ‘sophisticated’ inventing the liberal Illuminati …(who just happen to be comprised of the folks they hate, or are told to hate) or just general character assassinations are fully acceptable like atheists are evil…duuurrr, and democrats want your guns and daughters and are building concentration camps in Mexico, and Obama is the anti-christ etc etc…

    Absolute juvenile piffle….but ‘there is gold in them that piffles’

  20. 20
    hohnjamilton

    “I look around my world and I think, ‘Wow, we’ve written God out of our own story here,’” Kinley recently said in an interview. “We’re content in living in our own lives.”

    I guess Deacon Duncan nailed it.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/alethianworldview/2014/05/04/everything-we-need-to-know-about-god/

  21. 21
    anubisprime

    hohnjamilton @ 20

    Excellent link…and defines the the fact that ‘delusion’ . self inflicted or inflicted on others, is the currency by which the sunbeams boogie by!

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