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Roy Moore: First Amendment Only Applies to Christians

Judge Roy Moore gave one of his typically ignorant speeches at a Pastor for Life Luncheon in Alabama, claiming that the definition of religion in the First Amendment means only Christianity because, “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures” and “They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship.”

He also bizarrely quotes Blackstone as saying that life begins when a baby kicks, not at conception. It’s really quite an incoherent speech, but people were shouting “amen” constantly anyway.

Comments

  1. cjcolucci says

    At least Moore is more honest than Justice Scalia, who has managed, despite considering himself to be an “originalist” to say with a straight face that, in Establishment Clause cases, “Abrahamic Monotheism” gets certain privileges Hinduism. Buddhism, and irreligion don’t. Can’t offend the Jews and the now-growing crop of American Muslims, so he Makes Shit Up instead of privileging Christianity, which would, at least , have some historical support.

  2. matty1 says

    What has the First Amendment to the US Constitution got to do with what was on the Mayflower, which sailed around 170 years before it was written? Were Americans limited to what was on that ship for all that time?

  3. Chiroptera says

    … the pilgrim ship.”

    Hee hee hee. He really said “the pilgrim ship”? That sounds like a phrase I’d make up to mock the white nationalists’ historical mythologies. (In fact, I think I’m going to start using it.)

  4. sigurd jorsalfar says

    So he doesn’t understand that Mohammed and Buddha weren’t gods?

    This man is the Chief Justice of Alabama? I’ve just found one more reason never to visit Alabama, not that I didn’t have enough reasons already.

  5. says

    “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures”

    One of these things is not like the others / One of these things just doesn’t belong / Can you tell which thing is not like the others / By the time I finish my song…

  6. sigurd jorsalfar says

    You know what else they brought over on the Pilgrim Ship, along with the Holy Scriptures? Smallpox.

  7. says

    I suspect Moore holds beliefs that would have gotten him in trouble with the Pilgrims, narrow minded gits that they were.

  8. vmanis1 says

    Given that there were Spaniards on what is now the territory of the United States before any Pilgrims (or Jamestown-ians), and given that many Spanish people descended from Muslims, it’s likely that among the first Europeans in the present-day U.S. was at least one (crypto-)Muslim.

    Put that in your crackpot-pipe and smoke it, Judge Roy BeanMoore.

  9. comfychair says

    Their explanation for the wickedness of the modern world is that ‘we have turned away from God’, and their prescription for fixin’ what ails us is more bible and more Jesus and more prayin’ ’bout stuff and whatnot, which there is plenty of already in AL (and also here next door in MS), so that should mean these Jesus-friendly states should be free of the problems that plague the godless heathen states. Right? MS & AL are prosperous, peaceful, happy places? I mean, their solution is being implemented right now and has been for many years, does it seem to be getting the desired results?

  10. dingojack says

    FoAW notes:

    Luis de Carabajal y Cueva, a Spanish conquistador and converso first set foot in what is now Texas in 1570. The first Jewish-born person to set foot on American soil was Joachim Gans in 1584. Elias Legarde (a/k/a Legardo) was a Sephardic Jew who arrived at James City, Virginia, on the Abigail in 1621.[6] According to Leon Huhner, Elias was from Languedoc, France and was hired to go to the Colony to teach people how to grow grapes for wine.[7] Elias Legarde was living in Buckroe in Elizabeth City in February of 1624. Elias was employed by Anthonie Bonall. Anthonie Bonall was a French silk maker and vigneron (cultivates vineyards for winemaking), one of the men from Languedoc sent to the colony by John Bonall, keeper of the silkworms of King James I.[8] In 1628 Elias leased 100 acres on the west side of Harris Creek in Elizabeth City.[9] Josef Mosse and Rebecca Isaake are documented in Elizabeth City in 1624. John Levy patented 200 acres of land on the main branch of Powell’s Creek, Virginia, around 1648, Albino Lupo who traded with his brother, Amaso de Tores, in London. Two brothers named Silvedo and Manuel Rodriguez are documented to be in Lancaster County, Virginia, around 1650.[10] None of the Jews in Virginia were forced to leave under any conditions.
    Solomon Franco, a Jewish merchant, arrived in Boston in 1649; subsequently he was given a stipend from the Puritans there, on condition he leave on the next passage back to Holland.[11] In September 1654, shortly before the Jewish New Year, twenty-three Jews from the Sephardic community in the Netherlands, coming from Recife, Brazil, then a Dutch colony, arrived in New Amsterdam (New York City). Governor Peter Stuyvesant tried to enhance his Dutch Reformed Church by discriminating against other religions, but religious pluralism was already a tradition in the Netherlands and his superiors at the Dutch West India Company in Amsterdam overruled him.[12]“

    History of Jews in Unieted States
    Dingo

  11. dingojack says

    “All sober inquirers after truth, ancient and modern, pagan and Christian, have declared that the happiness of man, as well as his dignity, consists in virtue. Confucius, Zo- roaster, Socrates, Mahomet, not to mention authorities really sacred, have agreed in this.”
    John Adams. Thoughts on Government. Papers Apl. 1776.

  12. eric says

    Given that there were Spaniards on what is now the territory of the United States before any Pilgrims (or Jamestown-ians), and given that many Spanish people descended from Muslims, it’s likely that among the first Europeans in the present-day U.S. was at least one (crypto-)Muslim.

    There may have been some converts but its HIGHLY unlikely that any of the early Spanish trips had anything other than Christians on them.

    Remember the historical context; one reason Spain sent out ships in 1492 and not before was because that was the year Ferdinand and Isabella completed the ‘reconquista.’ They had just finished wiping out or expelling all the Moorish kingdoms from Spain, and/or forcing any remaining Jews and Muslims to convert or die. They wanted a wholly Christian kingdom, and they mostly succeeded at doing that through violence. So no, there were probably no Muslims or Jews on those initial Spanish voyages, because the king and queen of Spain had just finished a war where they were intent on wiping those groups out.

  13. dingojack says

    As pointed out above, The Jewish metallurgist Joachim Gans landed with the English colonists at Roanoak Island in 1584. When did those paragons of Christian virtue land again, Roy?
    :P Dingo

  14. Matrim says

    Have people ever shouted “amen” at any coherent speech?

    I don’t know, “I Have a Dream” was coherent…lots of folks yelled amen at that.

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