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Apr 22 2014

Jonathan Cahn Hearts Putin Too

Jonathan Cahn, the Worldnetdaily’s favorite end times charlatan (he’s leading a tour of Israel with Joseph Farah soon) is the latest wingnut to sing the praises of Vladimir Putin and Russia as the vanguard of Christianity in opposition to the godless west.

In the days of the Cold War between the United States, its Western allies and the Soviet Union, it was common for Americans to refer to Russia or the Soviet Union as ‘godless.’ Today in 2014, the same charges are again being raised. Only they’re not coming from America but from the Kremlin and they’re not being directed at Russia — but at the United States and the West. In a recent state of the nation address, Russian President Vladimir Putin said this: “Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values. Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”

No, it’s the path to religious freedom. Belief in God and belief in Satan are and should be, from the government’s perspective, exactly the same. It isn’t the government’s job to decide which one is true or false or which one is better for people to believe in. A government that does so and allows one but not the other is a theocracy, not a free country.

The former KGB officer spoke of Russia as a staunch defender of “traditional values” against the moral bankruptcy of the West. Putin pointed to social conservative values and religious conservative values as the force needed to prevent the world from descending into “chaotic darkness.” Along these lines, Russia adopted a law banning “homosexual propaganda” and another that makes it a criminal offense to insult the religious sensibilities of believers — actions which have been condemned in the West. Putin’s words were echoed by Patriarch Kirill I of Moscow, leader of the Orthodox Church. Patriarch Kirill accused Western nations of fostering the ‘spiritual disarmament’ of their people.

I don’t know why this is so difficult to grasp. To either Putin or Cahn, let me point out the obvious: It is none of your fucking business what anyone else believes about religion. And making it a criminal offense to insult the religious sensibilities of believers is called totalitarianism. This is why I simply don’t buy it when the Christian right says they support religious freedom. They don’t. They support their own religious freedom and no one else’s.

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  1. 1
    matty1

    Does anyone believe Satan exists and God doesn’t? They do kind of go together.

  2. 2
    sh3baproject

    the west also moved away from being aggresive dickweeds. no wonder putin hates them: they arent exciting enough.

  3. 3
    zippythepinhead

    matty1 @ 1: The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making people believe God exists.

  4. 4
    matty1

    Putin doesn’t actually give a rat’s arsehole about the morals of the west, he and Kirill are saying this stuff to win public support in Russia.

  5. 5
    matty1

    @3 “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making people believe God exists.”

    Really? I always thought it was that thing he does with the three cups and a ball.

  6. 6
    colnago80

    In a thread, a link to which is attached below, Raging Bee took exception to my claim that there was a separation between the neo-cons who are urging strong action against Vladimir Putin and the fuckken born agains, like Farah and Cahn who think he’s the cat’s meow. Here’s an example Bee.

    http://goo.gl/iaLUCv

  7. 7
    raven

    wikipedia:

    According to a surveys of Levada Center, 22% of those surveyed self-described as non-religious, agnostic or atheist, with 69% describing themselves as Orthodox (and 5% Muslims) in Russia. Although just 10% regularly (at least once a month) attend church, the fact that there has been a substantial increase in the Orthodox proportion of the population, along with the fact that those who call themselves Christian are more likely to go to church, suggests that atheism and irreligion has greatly waned in Russia since the Soviet collapse.[80]

    1. According to wikipedia Russia is 22% No Religions. Only 10% are churchgoers.

    They are statistically about as nonreligious as the USA.

    2. Putin is just a demagogue pandering to a group known for their nonthinking and hate. Xians. Or to be fair a subset of them.

    The Oogedy Boogedy fundie varieties of xians are like a fizzing hand grenade. You can wind them up and throw them wherever you want, secure in the knowledge that something bad will happen.

  8. 8
    Nick Gotts

    the west also moved away from being aggresive dickweeds – sh3baproject

    Can’t say I’ve noticed that. The expansion of NATO into eastern Europe and the former USSR (contrary to a promise made at the time of the dissolution of the USSR), the stationing of antimissile defences in eastern Europe, the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq and installation of new regimes there, the sponsoring of various “color revolutions” and the overthrow of Ghaddafi – whatever the justifications for these moves – can all be seen as aggressive moves aimed at expanding western/American/NATO power and influence.

  9. 9
    raven

    Putin pointed to social conservative values and religious conservative values as the force needed to prevent the world from descending into “chaotic darkness.”

    1. Actually he is an aggressor intent on conquering as much territory as he can. Nothing new there, they have existed since history began.

    So far it has been South Ossetia, Abkazia, and Crimea. Eastern Ukraine looks to be next.

    2. IMO, this isn’t all that smart. War in modern states is proving to be too expensive and counterproductive

    The way to world influence is trade, strong economies, and prosperity.

  10. 10
    d.c.wilson

    Has anyone told Cahn that the Russian Orthodox Church and Putin aren’t much more tolerant of evangelicals than they are teh gheys?

  11. 11
    eric

    and another [law] that makes it a criminal offense to insult the religious sensibilities of believers — actions which have been condemned in the West.

    Patriarch Kirill, please answer the following question without breaking Russian law: which sect is the one holy, catholic, and apostolic church?

  12. 12
    sinned34

    Now that’s a Russian brand of totalitarianism an American Christian Patriot can get behind!

  13. 13
    Modusoperandi

    This is why I simply don’t buy it when the Christian right says they support religious freedom. They don’t. They support their own religious freedom and no one else’s.

    OH COME ON! HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE FIRST AMMENDMENT? “THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME, SAITH THE LORD”. THERES NOTHING ABOUT FREEDOM PROTECTING THE “RIGHT” TO BE WRONG.

  14. 14
    sharonb

    Putin is also a sociopathic liar.
    He is a natural choice as a hero to the R-Reich.

  15. 15
    Pierce R. Butler

    Patriarch Kirill accused Western nations of fostering the ‘spiritual disarmament’ of their people.

    Can’t we do like Nixon and Reagan did and negotiate a mutual disarmament treaty?

  16. 16
    democommie

    Putin is starring in his own movie, the remake of “Scarface”.

  17. 17
    Ichthyic

    In a thread, a link to which is attached below, Raging Bee took exception to my claim

    I’ve learned to just ignore you both. saves time.

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