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Apr 17 2014

Alleged Kansas Killer Is an Odin Worshipper

Though we tend to think of white supremacists as Christians, and a whole lot of them are, a fair number of them are also Odin worshippers. The alleged killer in Kansas who opened fire at a pair of Jewish centers last week is one of them. He thinks Christianity is bad because it was invented by Jews. CNN quotes his autobiography:

I’d love to see North America’s 100 million Aryan Christians convert to the religion invented by their own race and practiced for a thousand generations before the Jews thought up Christianity.

Odinism! This was the religion for a strong heroic people, the Germanic people, from whose loins we all descended, be we German, English, Scott, Irish, or Scandinavian, in whole or in part.

Odin! Odin! Odin! Was the battle cry of our ancestors; their light eyes ablaze with the glare of the predator, as they swept over and conquered the decadent multi-racial Roman Empire.

And Valhalla does not accept Negroes. There’s a sign over the pearly gates there which reads, “Whites only.”

There was a lot of Odinist imagery used by the Nazis, along with a great deal of Christian imagery as well (“Gott Mit Uns”).

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  1. 1
    countryboy

    These dumb shits have no clue about the Norse religions and claiming the Scots, Irish and English (which ones? Angles, Saxons or Welsh?) were followers just proves their ignorance of history.

  2. 2
    otrame

    Odin was not worshiped by the Celts, you ignorant, evil asshole.

  3. 3
    notyet

    The focus here is his use of the term “invented”. He knows that it is a man-made construct and he still practices it.
    Whacko piled on top of moron covered in stupid.

  4. 4
    holytape

    Odin tweetted. ” Should have killed all those damned Saxons #backintheday #bigregret”

  5. 5
    Kaintukee Bob

    To be fair (not that this asshole deserves it) he claims that Scots, Irish, English, etc all descended from the Germanic people, not that they worshiped Odin. Then again, he also claims Germanic people worshiped Odin, so he’s still wrong.

    He’s just not wrong in the exact way countryboy and otrame think.

  6. 6
    lordshipmayhem

    Oh, DIdN‘t see that coming.

  7. 7
    Mike Morris

    1000 generations? 30,000 years? I can see a lot of xians taking issue with that idea. After all, the planet is only 6000 years old, right?

    Granted, I do tend to mash up the various wells of stupids out there.

  8. 8
    theschwa

    Not to defend him, but Thor/Avengers > Passion of the Christ/10 Commandments

  9. 9
    Nick Gotts

    But no true Odinist would…

    Seriously, this should warn those who jumped to the conclusion that he “must be” a Christian.

  10. 10
    countryboy

    Kaintukee Bob, calling the Celts Germanic covers a lot of ground. Celtic peoples came from eastern Europe, Western Europe and, along with the Aryans, parts of western Asia. There is even some slight evidence they migrated into western China. Aryans originated around the area of Pakistan and northern India, certainly not a white race like Scandinavians. In all the migrating and wandering the amount of intermixing was quite high leaving the white groups a small minority, unlike what morons like this fool believe The Romany are more Aryan than Germans or Scandinavians. The mythologies people build up about race are nothing short of staggering.

  11. 11
    democommie

    @10:

    Do you know who ELSE wasn’t all that ARYAN?

  12. 12
    colnago80

    Apparently, ole Frazier is unaware of his hero Schickelgruber’s admiration for Shintoism which he would have preferred to Christianity for Germany.

    Re democommie

    Frankenberger?

  13. 13
    greg1466

    @3-notyet:

    The same word jumped out at me. Forget 100 million North American Aryan Christians. I’d love to see all humans everywhere convert to the religion that was not invented by anyone…none.

  14. 14
    typecaster

    The peoples who conquered Rome, a process that took something like a thousand years, are notable for not including Odin-worshiping Norsemen. Attila was a Central Asian pagan, the Vandals and similar tribes that took down much of Western Rome were Arian Christians, the primary enemies of Eastern Rome were the Persians, and ethnically-Asian Muslim Turks were the ones who took Constantinople and put paid to the last claimant to the Roman Emperor’s title. You’d think that people claiming historical justification for their actions would read some history.

  15. 15
    otrame

    Kaintukee Bob,

    Celts were NOT Germanic. The language spoken in England, Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall, and Wales before the invasion of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes was not a Germanic language. Completely different language family. The Angles, Saxons and Jutes were germanic people, true, and by the time the (also Germanic-speaking) Scandinavians who DID worship Odin started their invasion they controlled most of the island, but Wales, Cornwall, and Scotland were still Celtic areas–which is why they consider themselves separate countries to this very day, within the rubric of Great Britain, but still separate.

  16. 16
    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    @countryboy,

    If by “Aryans” you’re referring to speakers of Indo-European languages – which is basically what the word meant before Hitler got ahold of it – then I think that a Pakistan/N. India place of origin is far from the consensus view. The most popular theories place the origin in Asia Minor, Ukraine or possibly Armenia.

  17. 17
    Nick Gotts

    Odin! Odin! Odin! Was the battle cry of our ancestors; their light eyes ablaze with the glare of the predator, as they swept over and conquered the decadent multi-racial Roman Empire. – murdering Nazi scumbag

    Actually, not. By the time they overran the western Empire, in the 5th century, the Goths and Vandals (the main Germanic peoples directly involved) were at least nominally Christian – although of the Arian variety (they had been evangelised at a time when Arianism was in the ascendant in the Empire). The Franks switched from paganism to Roman-rite* Christianity in the early 6th century, which helped them establish their rule in Gaul, the Vandals, Goths and Lombards from Arianism to Roman-rite in the later 6th or 7th.

    *”Catholicism” would be anachronistic, as the definitive Catholic-Orthodox split only occurred in 1054.

  18. 18
    doublereed

    I find it absolutely hilarious that people are nitpicking this crazy killer’s ideas of geneology.

  19. 19
    Nick Gotts

    otrame@15,

    Actually, at least as far as Britain is concerned, both the Celtic and Anglo-Saxon invasions seem to have been elite takeovers involving quite small numbers of people; and it’s possible a Germanic language was spoken in eastern England before the Romans arrived. On both these points, see Stephen Oppenheimer’s The Origins of the British.

  20. 20
    coragyps

    Bizarro world we live in – I knew Dr. Corporon, the man that this dickweed killed. He was a nice, funny guy.

  21. 21
    mordred

    You know what the only real Aryan language traditionally spoken in Europe is?

    Romani!

  22. 22
    nkrishna

    This was the religion for a strong heroic people, the Germanic people, from whose loins we all descended, be we German, English, Scott, Irish, or Scandinavian, in whole or in part

    So his version of Odinism is for anyone who’s German, English, (the somehow Germanic) Irish, Scandinavian… or anybody named Scott? Good to know.

    @16 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne, @10 countryboy:
    While Indo-European-speaking peoples probably originated somewhere around the Caspian Sea (or possibly Asia Minor or Armenia as mentioned), the Indo-Iranians were the only ones attested to have adopted “Aryan” as a self-appellation (the term is linguistically reflected in the name of the country of Iran, for instance), and the Vedic Aryans specifically were HQed in the Pakistan/NW India area during the early Vedic period.

  23. 23
    Gretchen

    I find it absolutely hilarious that people are nitpicking this crazy killer’s ideas of geneology.

    They’re doing it because this asshole’s entire worldview, his entire spectrum of beliefs concerning the value and purpose of humankind, is based on this belief about his own ancestry…and he can’t even get that right.

    How depressing is that?

    I’m so white that if I stood naked in the snow, you wouldn’t be able to see me. I’m so German my last name is Koch. And what’s super special about that? NOTHING! And that’s an amazing, wonderful thing– it’s amazing and wonderful that nobody’s ancestry and appearance makes them better than anybody else, and we live in a world where things like kindness, compassion, and wisdom can make you better than other people. Or at least, better than you’d be if you didn’t have those traits. And this fuckwit fucked all of that up in his head and decided it was better to be a murderer.

    Based on total and complete bollocks.

    That’s so absurdly horrible you have to laugh…..or else you’ll cry.

  24. 24
    busterggi

    Well first let me apologise to heddle. This guy isn’t a Christian idiot, he’s a pagan idiot – either way he was still religiously motivated.

    Still I recall at least one story in the Eddas in which Thor spends much of it cross-dressing and Loki was transgender when ever he felt like it so I don’t see any anti-LGBT bias on the part of the original Asatru.

    Wonder where this guy picked it up from….

  25. 25
    laurentweppe

    Not to defend him, but Thor/Avengers > Passion of the Christ/10 Commandments

    But where would you rank the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy?

  26. 26
    heddle

    Well first let me apologise to heddle.

    It’s all good. Thanks.

  27. 27
    cjcolucci

    As a worshipper of the Olympian gods — the only religion that fits the facts: the universe is run by a committee whose members are working at cross-purposes — I celebrate this blow against the Odinist competition.

  28. 28
    countryboy

    Gretchen, most people that have a delusion of superiority base it on complete bollocks. IMO, those with the strongest delusion of superiority actually have the least to feel superior for and are the most despicable creatures around.

  29. 29
    twincats
    Not to defend him, but Thor/Avengers > Passion of the Christ/10 Commandments

    But where would you rank the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy?

    Personally, I’d rank it right alongside “Spaceballs” which was pretty good.

  30. 30
    dugglebogey

    Got Mittens?

  31. 31
    gopiballava

    From the Odinic Rite membership application:
    “The OR is a folkish organisation. In simple terms, please explain what you understand the term “folkish” to mean.”

    It means you guys have a new secret code word for “white supremacist” and want to make sure I know and agree with it?

    It does seem odd to me how many white supremacists deny being white supremacists. I wonder how much of that is marketing and how much is some form of cognitive dissonance.

    (I am also surprised to hear anti-Semitic neo nazis saying hitler didn’t kill Jews…don’t they think he should’ve?)

  32. 32
    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

    nkrishna @ 22:

    Actually, “Erin/Eireann” is the same word, too.

    We’re ll familiar with Stuck’s

    http://www.illusionsgallery.com/wild-chase.html

    , correct?

    “Folkish” is a calque of “Völkisch”, the term the Nazis used to denote the characteristics inherent in any ethnic group, but the Germans first and foremost. It’s usually translated “racial”, but Germans use the French loan word “Rasse” when the actually mean “race”.

    Some linguists used to use “Völkisch” to describe the theoretical Northern European linguistic substrate that makes the Germanic languages so different from the rest of the Indo-European family, but that appears to have fallen out of use.

  33. 33
    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

    OK, that “a href” got away from me. In any case, the painting portrays an Odin who’s a dead ringer for Hitler—the year Hitler was born. Real spooky there, Kids!

  34. 34
    democommie

    “Re democommie: Frankenberger?”

    Hey, I’m just asking QUESTIONS!

  35. 35
    Nick Gotts

    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge@32, 33,

    Hmm. Makes you wonder if Hitler had seen that painting and (consciously or not) modelled his appearance on it. However, I have read, I think in Bullock’s Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, that Hitler expressed his contempt for attempts to revive Germanic paganism, although such attempts were made by some Nazis. Had the Nazis triumphed in WWII, a systematic attempt to Nazify Christianity and suppress non-Nazified denominations would probably have been made – after all, the antisemitism, authoritarianism, anti-rationalism, misogyny and homophobia were all ready to hand.

  36. 36
    Raging Bee

    And Valhalla does not accept Negroes. There’s a sign over the pearly gates there which reads, “Whites only.”

    Based on the folklore I’ve heard, Valhalla accepts only the bravest and most courageous warriors of ALL races. The people specifically mentioned in the folklore were white, but that’s because the ancient Norse peoples mostly dealt with (and, yes, fought, robbed, enslaved and massacred) other white people.

  37. 37
    Raging Bee

    cjcolucci: another thing I like about the Hellenic gods is that they acted like SENSIBLE parents toward their creation: they may have demanded fealty from humans, and sometimes punished them for getting uppity, but (as they were represented to me at least) they also understood that their children were growing up, and they had to acknowledge that and give their kids room to grow. Their folktales are full of uppity humans pushing every boundary they bumped into, exploring their universe, taming (or killing) all those monsters they were supposed to be afraid of, and generally creating wealth (physical and mental) for all humankind.

    And (getting back to the OP) the Greeks had a lot more experience of non-white peoples, and a bit less room to entertain ignorant delusions of “white” “superiority.” (But they did seem to have a bug up their asses about Persians.)

  38. 38
    Raging Bee

    …so I don’t see any anti-LGBT bias on the part of the original Asatru.

    There also wasn’t a lot of actual white-supremacism back then either — most of their enemies/victims were as white as they were. Most of the actual racism came in the Western imperialist age, long after Germanic peoples, and their gods, were crushed and sidelined by other white people.

  39. 39
    Artor

    As a proud descendant of both the Vikings and the Celts, I actually know the difference between the two, so it’s clear from the start that this asshole is an ignorant dumbass. I also know a good many Asatru, (that’s modern followers of the Norse gods) who would denounce this racist shitbag in a hot minute. And if you’re familiar with the literature, there’s not one shred of evidence to indicate that Odin ever expressed an appreciation for racism. He was more concerned that you followed the laws of hospitality, and were a bloodthirsty savage in battle. Lying, like this nithing (look it up) is doing, is as bad as cowardice or dishonor. He should get the blood eagle for his actions and his words, and that would be perfectly right by his own professed faith.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nithing

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