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Apr 16 2014

White Supremacist Arrested After Anti-Semitic Shooting Spree

For anyone who wonders why some of us keep a very close eye on the far right fringe, look no further than this story. A former KKK leader, white supremacist and longtime anti-Semite has been arrested after a shooting spree at two Jewish centers in Kansas that left three dead.

The person of interest in custody for the killing of three people at two Jewish centers in Kansas is a Missouri man and former Ku Klux Klan leader with a history of antisemitism and racism, law enforcement officials said.

Frazier Glenn Cross, Jr., 73, is suspected of fatally shooting a 14-year-old boy and his grandfather in the parking lot at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City campus in Overland Park then gunning down a woman at Village Shalom, a retirement community that is several blocks away from the center, law enforcement officials said.

A civil rights organization that tracks hate groups said it has long known about Cross.

The Southern Poverty Law Center says Cross is known to them using aliases — Glenn Miller or Frazier Glenn Miller — and is the former Grand Dragon of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan…

According to the SPLC, Cross quit high school as a senior to join the Army. In a 20-year Army career he had two tours in Vietnam and 13 years as a member of the elite Green Berets before he was forced to retire because of his Klan affiliation in 1979.

Later he went on to be active in a neo-Nazi group called “The Order” that advocated violence against Blacks and Jews among others, the SPLC said.

This is why Mikey Weinstein has to travel with a bodyguard and why his whole family has handguns for protection and has been trained to use them. Just as Cross apparently screamed “Heil Hitler” as he opened fire in this case, Mikey has had swastikas painted on his house and routinely receives threatening letters from raging anti-Semites, many of which I’ve published here.

Nate Phelps went to this guy’s website and found this incredibly ironic quote:

“On the other hand, a White racist—that is, any racially conscious White person who looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America—is portrayed, at best, as a despicable bigot who is reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous psychopath who is fascinated by firearms and is a menace to all law-abiding citizens. The White racist “gun nut,” in fact, has become a familiar stereotype on television.”

Turns out he was, in fact, a dangerous psychopath. Ranting about the evils of Jews is pretty much a sure sign of that (yes, I’m looking at you, former president of the Pennsylvania chapter of American Atheists Ernest Perce, a Holocaust denier who is perpetually ranting about how the Jews are behind every dark conspiracy on earth).

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  1. 1
    raven

    He wasn’t very competent though.

    He went to Kansas to kill Jews and murdered three unarmed civilians in a surprise attack. How hard can that be?

    He still screwed up. The three people he killed were all xians.

  2. 2
    Loqi

    Careful. He might sue you for calling him a white supremacist.

  3. 4
    busterggi

    Neo-Nazi white supremicist but at least he’s a good Christian as the KKK has high standards about that.

    Your turn heddle.

  4. 6
    raven

    Heidi Beirich:

    Our research shows that racist killers are hiding among us in plain sight. A forthcoming two-year study by the SPLC will show that nearly 100 people in the last five years have been murdered by active users on another prominent racist website, Stormfront.org.

    This happens a lot and we read about one incident every few months.

    Users of one website alone have killed 100 people in the last 5 years.

    There is more than one racist website. This killer frequented another one.

    The actual numbers killed by these racists is likely to be higher than 100 every five years.

  5. 7
    colnago80

    Re blusterggi @ #4

    No, no, no, no true Scotsman don’t you know.

  6. 8
    raven

    I really hope that tragedies like this bring to light how dangerous and despicable these hate groups are.

    You can tell where the terrorists and murderers will come from. It’s really simple.

    Wherever you find hate speech, you always find hate violence and murder!!!

    Fundie xianity is based on hate. It’s no surprise that they’ve produced a lot of terrorists and killers.

  7. 9
    heddle

    colnago80 and busterggi (or blusterggi, as colnago80 called him in #7) working together.

    Why, there hasn’t been this much IQ in a room since Kent Hovind dined alone.

  8. 10
    Travis

    When this was breaking news I started looking around at various stories trying to see if there was more information being reported by other outlets. Sadly I started reading some of the comments. It was amazing, with almost no information some in the comments on one story were declaring that this guy was actually a member of the JCC, and this obviously could not be due to some anti-semitic bigot, and implied that stories pretending it was were just pandering to the Jews. It is amazing how willing they are to construct a narrative without any information that conforms to what they want to believe, and that they are then willing to tell others about it. I just wish I could find that thread again but my history has been wiped.

    This happens a lot and we read about one incident every few months.
    Users of one website alone have killed 100 people in the last 5 years.
    There is more than one racist website. This killer frequented another one.
    The actual numbers killed by these racists is likely to be higher than 100 every five years.

    It is easy for people to laugh at stormfront and pretend it is a forum full of nothing but internet warriors that would wilt away from their keyboards. I know that my interactions with them have often been pretty pathetic and laughable. But it is dangerous to slip into that mode of thinking and assume that none of them will go out and take some action.

  9. 11
    democommie

    It turns out that the Altersturmbahnfuhrer Naz asswipei is a pal of Mr. Cobbs, that demented fuckwit that wanted to turn Leith, N. Dakota into a “Whites Only” enclave:

    http://penigma.blogspot.com/2014/04/latest-update-on-craig-cobb.html

    and it looks like Mr. Cobb was makin’ hisself a sweet deal with the States Atty. but now some activist judge is lookin’ askance a the plea bargain. Boo Heil! Mr. Cobb, Boo Heil.

    This:

    “No, no, no, no true Scotsman don’t you know.”

    is just so wrong, really.

    This:

    No! NO!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!; No true Scotsman, don’t you know?

    is just more correcter egnlish and gramma.

  10. 12
    busterggi

    Thank you for not raising it any yourself heddle.

  11. 13
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @rationalinks, #5:

    Raven – There is a rather substantial Jewish population in Overland Park/Leawood. His mistake wasn’t that he went to Kansas looking for Jews, it was that he assumed only Jews went to the JCC.

    No. I really don’t think that that was his mistake. Consider hard and I bet you can come up with a better try.

  12. 14
    Evan Brehm

    Of course, the wingnut bloggers like Jim Hoft and Glenn Reynolds are already bringing out the “The shooter was a Democrat” canard.

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43284_Right_Wing_Bloggers_Immediately_Started_Portraying_the_Kansas_Neo-Nazi_Shooter_as_a_Democrat

  13. 15
    heddle

    Evan Brehm,

    Of course, the wingnut bloggers like Jim Hoft and Glenn Reynolds are already bringing out the “The shooter was a Democrat” canard.

    Well it goes without saying the there is no possibility whatsoever that he is a True Democrat™. However, it is just as plain that as long as he claims to be a Christian, or even walked by a church, then undoubtedly he is a True Christian™, as full-bodied and perfect representation of the faith as one could imagine. Because nobody could join the KKK without being a True Christian (see #4 above; he nailed it.). The KKK is, after all, primarily concerned with testing your faith and the credibility of your profession and conversion testimony, and only secondarily concerned with your politics. In fact there is no more reliable indication of one’s commitment to Christianity than membership the klan. Think about it: nobody would wear a cross unless they were fully and unconditionally committed to the faith.

  14. 16
    D. C. Sessions

    This all could have been prevented if the people at the JCC (and especially the two dead) had been armed themselves.

  15. 17
    colnago80

    Re Heddle @ #15

    Actually, Cross/Miller first ran for the Democratic nomination for governor in North Carolina, the Rethuglican nomination for senator from North Carolina 2 years later. He later ran as an independent candidate for Congressman from Missouri and then as an independent candidate for the senate from Missouri. Thus, it would appear that he has not identified as a Democrat since 1984 or as a Rethuglican since 1986. Thus he was, at the time of the shooting incident, neither a Democrat or a Rethuglican I can’t find any information as to whether he self identifies as a Christian, at least at the time of the shooting incident. It would appear that there are some on the Fascist right who are claiming that he is actually Jewish and that his antisemitic statements are a subterfuge, this because all his victims were Christians.

    http://goo.gl/4ymGsC

  16. 18
    colnago80

    Re Heddle @ #17

    It should also be noted that his views about killing Jews are quite in line with those of the celebrated Martin Luther, founder of Protestant Christianity.

  17. 20
    colnago80

    Re rationalinks @ #19

    I can’t speak to the situation in Overland Park but when I was a teenager, there was Jewish Community Center which included a swimming pool about a 1/2 mile from where I lived. At least 1/2 of the membership were non-Jews.

  18. 21
    imthegenieicandoanything

    Heddle W.A.A.* – He’ll be quoting Joe Miller jokes next and cackling to himself about his originality.

    *What. An. Asshole.

  19. 22
    Michael Heath

    Heddle writes:

    The KKK is, after all, primarily concerned with testing your faith and the credibility of your profession and conversion testimony, and only secondarily concerned with your politics. In fact there is no more reliable indication of one’s commitment to Christianity than membership the klan.

    First, you have a good point here given the framework here is the KKK vs. say, Rick Warren’s church. Not a convincing point, but an arguable one.

    But the fact is, and it’s a fact you repeatedly demonstrate determined ignorance on, is that conservative Christians are far more politicized than they were in previous generations here in the U.S. Where their politics are extremely ugly. And that’s not only from a liberal perspective, but also from the standard set by Jesus in the Bible regarding how we should treat each other.

    As a population it’s not enough to look at mere theology and socio-economic classes when describing conservative Christians, their politics is at the forefront of how they define themselves and the level of energy they expend on politics. That no matter how much you deny this reality.

    There are many books out there that report on the research that validates this, that explains why we see priorities set in legislatures across the country and in the voting patterns revealed by exit polls. The fact you want to continue to conveniently define this population within a framework that in no way fully explains their behavior and their impact on all of us, has never been relevant since at least the late-1970s. And given the fact the trend of conservative Christians is their becoming increasingly politicized makes your argument increasingly weaker on this matter.

    How about joining many of us who like to debate these issues and actually bone up on the facts and research rather than making a case based on a reality that exists only in your mind? Read some books on the subject.

  20. 23
    democommie

    According to Wiki, the shooterasshole is an Odinist.

  21. 24
    heddle

    Michael Heath #22,
    do you ever read what I write? Now only have I acknowledged the correlation between conservative Christianity and conservative politics I have stated, oh 10 or 20 times, that I find the correlation very puzzling and not intrinsic to Christianity but only to American Christianity, because virtually all the conservative Christian Europeans I know are politically liberal. On this blog I have stated this on numerous occasions. I cannot simultaneously deny the correlation and also be puzzled by it.

    I don’t deny the correlation–I criticize you because you seem to see the correlation factor as numerically equal to +1. And if I point out that I know many conservative Christians who are not politically active–that my church (for example) even has separation of church and state article in its doctrinal statement–I get dismissed as offering a “no true Christian” argument. How exactly do you want me to engage?

  22. 25
    democommie

    I think it’s safe to say that I’m a bit acerbic, from time to time–but I’m usually a REAL prick when I’m arguing with people that I see as being dishonest.

    The reason that I don’t throw firebombs at certain commenters re: certain topics is that I’ve come to a realization that they are not dishonest. That doesn’t mean that I agree with what they say; it means that I don’t think that they’re lying and that there are other things that I do agree with them about and would rather have some sort of relationship beyond, “Fuck you!” “Oh, no, fuck YOU, my friend”, etc., ad nauseum.

    I think that heddle firmly believes what he says he firmly believes. I disagree with him on the existence of any god or other supreme being and what that deity’s druthers might be.

    I agree with him and Michael Heath. There are a lot of really, Really, REALLY mean, hateful, irredeemably (imo) fucked up people who are rightwing republicans. They DO in most cases that I’m aware of, rush to define themselves as GODfearing Christians and then act in ways that are diametrically opposed to the accepted tenets of their own professed faith.

    I have a number of ideas why I think that they might do that, but I cannot know for sure that I’m correct–fwiw, I’m okay with being a horrible person for thinking that they are worthless pieces of shit–and I really don’t care about the why. I call them KKKristians, because they do not strike me as being anything like the actual, decent Christians that I know. I enjoy making fun of them and attacking them here or on other blogs if they bring their sanctimony and hypocrisy to a brawl.

    Michael Heath is far too civil, I think, to act like I do–except on very rare occasions–when he disagrees with someone. heddle is far too honest to back down just because, well, just because.

    The scumbag who is the subject of the OP is the embodiment of what is wrong with the rightwing of U.S, politics. His wiki page (up since maybe two days ago?) has his religion as Odinist. That would jibe with his being a Born Again Nazi. So, he’s not saying that he’s a Christian, yet, afaia.

    My problem with the whole situation is that there ARE a fuckton of people who say that they are Christians and are hateful, vicious, racist, homophobic, anti-woman’s rights and who hold a long list of political and social views which I find repugnant. I can certainly see why both Michael Heath and heddle “dig in” on this issue. I just don’t give a fuck what they call themselves–the problem is that they’re responsible for enacting a fuckton of repressive and reactionary legislation in an attempt to reverse about 150 years of social progress AND the people who ARE decent Christians are letting them do it.

    On the thread about the crybaby KKKristian photographer, someone said that if the photographer really had such strongly held convictions they would simply not do something that would require them to “compromise” those convictions. I feel that way about the thousands of Christian ministers and their flocks who give assent, by their silence, to the evil that is done in their GOD’s name by those whom I think heddle sees as impostors.

    Now I have to put my soapbox away and go to bed.

  23. 26
    Michael Heath

    heddle writes:

    do you ever read what I write? Now only have I acknowledged the correlation between conservative Christianity and conservative politics I have stated, oh 10 or 20 times, that I find the correlation very puzzling and not intrinsic to Christianity but only to American Christianity, because virtually all the conservative Christian Europeans I know are politically liberal. On this blog I have stated this on numerous occasions. I cannot simultaneously deny the correlation and also be puzzled by it.

    I read what you write carefully. If we were to describe your attributes in this forum, one of the most distinguishing of all is your attempt to claim the bad behavior we observe that is commonly known among experts as representational of conservative Christianity isn’t really representational at all. That and the ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy are perhaps the most popular reactions motivating you to post here.

    heddle writes:

    I don’t deny the correlation–I criticize you because you seem to see the correlation factor as numerically equal to +1.

    That’s bullshit and you know it. Instead we see you looking for an out for bad behavior exemplary of the norm where no reasonable person here argues outliers or minorities exist within the population. But not always, e.g., I’m not aware of any conservative Christian churches that do not abuse gay children.

    And yes, you do point out some unreasonable arguments here. I wouldn’t even know they existed if you didn’t since I don’t read comment posts by those who clearly and continuously demonstrate they’re not reasonable. I.e., they’re strawmen posts making ripe targets but engaging those posts doesn’t move the debate along, it merely provides opportunities to attack strawmen. I.e, feeding the trolls, in this case some whacked out liberal ones.

    heddle writes:

    How exactly do you want me to engage?

    You know how frustrating it is for someone to pontificate about physics where they demonstrate they’re badly informed about even basic physics? That’s my frustration when you refute that which is commonly known among sociologists, economists, psychologists, and political scientists regarding conservative Christians’ voting behavior and advocacy regarding policy. So, it’d be great to see you bone up some.

    I suggest starting with Robert Altemeyer’s “The Authoritarians”, it’s free, and then follow that with Mooney’s “Republican Brain”. The latter book is more recent research that several scientists that builds on the shoulders of Altemeyer’s pioneering work. Altemeyer’s studies should be held with skepticism until we see it validated and advanced by the scientists’ work reported in Mooney’s book given Aletemeyer’s findings were done without sufficiently representative samples. Getting the psychology profiled provides a more educated context for then understanding why conservative Christians react as they do as explained by political scientists, economists, and sociologists and well-informed political analysts.

  24. 27
    heddle

    No Michael I won’t read those books. I have no interest in politics and find, as not a few of my colleagues in the hard sciences do—anything in the social sciences to be too tedious and too, well, soft. In what little time I have away from the classroom or lab–well it is too precious to spend on ready psychology.

    I actually think we will not make any progress. Perhaps we are ignoring what the other finds interesting.

    I find the correlation between Conservative Christianity and conservative politics in America fascinating, disturbing, dangerous (to Christianity) and inexplicable (at least, no body has explained it to me.) I am encouraged that I do not see the same correlation in European Christians.

    Let me make the point one last time: European Christians make it clear to me that Conservative Christianity does not necessarily demand conservative politics. If it is at all a cause, then it is demonstrably not a sufficient cause. I hope that it is not even a secondary cause, but I don’t know. I hope there is something in some sort of American ethos, for lack of a precise term, that performs the selection. But maybe it is just accidental—maybe the Republican party allowed the religious conservatives to take over from the libertarian wing—and it just snowballed, landing us where we are today. I don’t know.

    I also believe, in the polls you have presented, you confuse conservative voting trends with conservative political activism. Even in our church, which advocates separation of church and state, we do not encourage people to (as I do) abstain from voting. And I am guessing that the majority vote conservative (again, I don’t know why the correlation is so strong.) However what you will never find in our church, and other conservative churches that I know of, is participation in any activism, church contribution of money or time to any political cause or party or group, no wink-wink-nod-nod along the lines of “we can’t tell you or even say anything, but we trust you know what to do!”. There is no discussion at all of politics *, and the only mention of Obama is that we routinely pray for the current president.

    You can call us outliers, but the truth is you don’t really know. You think you do, but you don’t. And unless your books can illuminate why the psychology of authoritarianism can explain why American conservative Christians are correlated with conservative politics while it’s not true for Europeans, then I would guess (no doubt unfairly) that they amount to just-so stories.

    I don’t think the standard smell test is proof of anything—but if I found myself on the wrong end of it (and I have, at times, overgeneralizing about atheists) then it sets off alarms. The smell test being: go back and read some of your posts and substitute {blacks, Jews, gays, liberals, } for “conservative Christians” and some stereotyped behavior for the attributes you ascribe to conservative Christians, for It won’t sound good due to the universality of your comments. Again, that doesn’t mean you are wrong—but it would cause me to do some self-examination.

    I also finding your declaration as an inviolate law of nature that all conservative churches abuse gays as shallow, and surprising so for you—which is what makes me so upset about it. The argument could be, reasonably, “if a church finds homosexual activity sinful does it necessarily imply they abuse homosexuals?” That would at least be interesting and maybe informative—but don’t go there—you simply make an argument-stopping declaration that it is abuse, end of story.

    Seeing that we have no common ground, and you are dogmatic in your views on Conservative Christianity, I’ll do my best to, from know on, ignore the repetitive comments you make in this arena.
    —————————
    *Except that in my role as adult Sunday School teacher I take every opportunity I can to speak against theonomy.

  25. 28
    dingojack

    Heddle (If you’re still out there) – Completely and utterly OT but I just thought of it (stop me if you’ve heard this before*) -

    There must be an upper limit for the size of black holes because: -

    Although the larger a black hole is the faster it loses mass via ‘Hawking radiation’, this loss is (in low mass BHs) is easily overcome by the gain of material by accretion. However since the Eddington Limit, um limits the inflow of material a BH can pull in, if more material than the Eddington Limit can allow is flowing in it will only join the accretion disk (or the jet outflows) allowing time for ‘Hawing radiation’ to allow mass-loss. This would naturally limit the maximum mass a BH can reach.
    (I know I explained that poorly, but still…) The universe is pretty neat, isn’t it?

    Dingo
    ——–
    * and I sure you have

  26. 29
    busterggi

    heddle, “I find the correlation between Conservative Christianity and conservative
    politics in America fascinating, disturbing, dangerous (to Christianity) and
    inexplicable (at least, no body has explained it to me.) I am encouraged that I
    do not see the same correlation in European Christians.”

    Really? Are you totally unaware of the conservative Eastern Orthodox political power in Russia? Its rapidly becoming the wet dream of US evangelicals who are gushing over that manly Christian man Putin (sure he’s ex-KGB and ex-atheist (HAH!) but he’s become the hero of conservative US Christians.)

  27. 30
    heddle

    DJ #28,

    Actually I had not heard that before, that there is a tradeoff that limits BH size (I love cosmology but it’s not my speciality–which is nuclear physics.) And yes–the universe is a fantastically interesting and beautiful place.

  28. 31
    dingojack

    Heddle – perhaps you could convey a more elegant version of the above to a cosmologist?
    Knowledge (or the cod equivalent of such) should not be constrained.
    Dingo

  29. 32
    colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #31

    You might try posing that question to Sean Carroll and/or Ethan Siegel at their blogs. I did do a little Googling as I had never heard of the Eddington effect but I notice that it was based on what is essentially a classical physics calculation which ignores quantum effects. Hawking radiation is based on quantum mechanics. There appears to be a further complication due to something called quantum entanglement, which is a phenomena that nobody really understands, including me (I think there was a post on either Siegel’s blog or Carroll’s blog some time ago on this issue).

    One obvious issue is that current calculations seem to be based on a hybrid theory that combines classical mechanics, as modified by General Relativity, with quantum mechanics. It would seem that a theory of quantum gravity, which, as we sit here today, doesn’t exist will be required to really understand what the hell is going on (GR predicts that the matter inside a black hole collapses into a mathematical point, which leads to problems with quantum effects such as the Pauli Exclusion Principal).

  30. 33
    spacejunkie

    Dingojack,
    You have it the wrong way around, the larger the black hole the less Hawking radiation there is. See
    http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/hawk.html or David Brian ‘ Earth.

  31. 34
    spacejunkie

    Sorry, that should be David Brin.

  32. 35
    Michael Heath

    heddle writes:

    I also finding your declaration as an inviolate law of nature that all conservative churches abuse gays as shallow, and surprising so for you—which is what makes me so upset about it. The argument could be, reasonably, “if a church finds homosexual activity sinful does it necessarily imply they abuse homosexuals?” That would at least be interesting and maybe informative—but don’t go there—you simply make an argument-stopping declaration that it is abuse, end of story.

    Why do you continue to misconstrue what I write and then avoid the central issue I raise – your church abuses gay children? I’m pointedly referencing gay children as being victims of abuse in conservative churches, which you continually re-describe as gays. Without ever responding directly to my question.

    Gay adults don’t have to attend churches which discriminate against them. I’m sure some do attend such churches, but they choose to do so, or not. Gay children don’t enjoy this choice. Instead they’re not only discriminated against relative to heterosexual children in that same church, but threatened with eternal suffering if they were to exercise the same behavior conservative church authority figures foster and promote in heterosexual children.

    Please show some moral courage and at least confront the fact on how conservative churches treat gay children. Explain why such behavior by these churches isn’t obvious. From my perspective it’s self-evident, where the only challenge is to actually confront how conservative churches treat gay children if they discriminate against gay people.

    heddle writes:

    No Michael I won’t read those books. I have no interest in politics and find, as not a few of my colleagues in the hard sciences do—anything in the social sciences to be too tedious and too, well, soft. In what little time I have away from the classroom or lab–well it is too precious to spend on ready psychology.

    This makes no sense. On the one hand you claim here to have no interest in politics. On the other hand you’ve long debated politics in this very forum where you frequently depend on false premises (favorable to your narrative) because you don’t bone-up on what the facts discovered by the relevant scientists. That along with not knowing the relevant factual premises that are also revealed by scientists in the relevant fields.

    And here you justify your cognitive dissonance reduction effort by claiming these findings are somehow flawed without actually confronting the credibility of these studies. In addition, the Mooney book’s scientists aren’t all from what you deride as “soft science”. Some of these findings come from neuroscientists, where those findings are devastating and powerfully explanatory as to why conservative Christians behave as they do (and equally explains strident liberals when the strength of their partisanship matches conservative Christian Republicans’ – though there’s far less of these liberals in the U.S.). But you wouldn’t know that since you’re going to avoid the facts these scientists reveal and explain why conservative Christians behave as they do.

  33. 36
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @rationalinks #19:

    I’m not condoning what he’s done or his motives, that’s frankly quite insulting, especially if you read what I wrote @ 3. … My point was that … [a]s an anti-Semitic member of the KKK his goal was to kill Jewish people. … By “mistake” I meant from his perspective.

    I never thought otherwise, rationalinks. My point was that for the Jewish people reading this, your statement, as technically correct as it may be, comes across as shockingly callous. If the guy was an efficient and talented murderer, would that have been better?

    No? Then mocking him for his inefficiency and lack of talent in killing Jews in a place he is unlikely to read seems pretty insensitive to the people who are more likely to read it.

    I have no problems assuming your heart is in the right place. I just think you didn’t know how your words would sound from outside. It sounds pretty callous, seeing as Jews have some experience with and oral history of being efficiently murdered.

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