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Apr 12 2014

Steve Deace Lies and Exaggerates

Wingnut radio show Steve Deace is so far to the right that he makes Michael Savage look like Noam Chomsky. He’s also highly dishonest and not very bright, which is why he says really stupid things like claiming in a column in the Moonie Times that ending sodomy laws led to fascism in America.

How is it that Christian business owners are now being compelled by government to do things their religion says is wrong?

Actually, Christian business owners have been compelled by the federal government to do things their religion says is wrong for half a century now. All those Christian business owners who believed that their religion gave them the right to discriminate against women, black people and those of other religions in their hiring decisions and in public accommodations? That all ended 50 years ago with the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

Why was the patriarch of “Duck Dynasty,” one of the most popular television series in the country, temporarily taken off the air simply for affirming the birds and the bees?

He wasn’t. He was “suspended” after the season’s filming was already completed and then quickly reinstated by the network. He didn’t miss a millisecond of air time. Of course, you don’t seem to be aware of the contradiction between this and your last question. If you think a business has the right to discriminate against gay people, surely you must think a business has the right to decide who they’re going to put on the air and who they aren’t, right? You’re not very good at this logical consistency thing, are you?

Christians now find ourselves in the position of having to debate our very existence in a country that wouldn’t have existed without our Christian forefathers, who came here for religious freedom in the first place.

Wrong. They came here to establish their own theocracies where they could imprison and even put to death blasphemers and sinners and even other Christians who were the wrong brand. That whole religious freedom thing came much later, straight out of Enlightenment philosophy and humanist ideals.

Can we hold jobs and still believe the Bible and church teachings? Can we own businesses? Will we be blacklisted from certain industries? Will they try to stop us from passing these teachings down to our children at home, since they’re already indoctrinating our kids against us in the schools as it is? And so on, and so forth.

Not every homosexual is a fascist. I know there are same-sex couples who feel deeply committed to each other, and simply want that human relationship validated. I don’t agree with their morality, but as a fellow human I empathize with that desire. Nevertheless, if you’re going to argue that you deserve new “rights,” you have to first make the case that won’t cost anybody else their old ones. So far, the tolerance movement has been unable to do so. Maybe in its zeal to silence all opposition it’s simply unwilling to? I’ve had more than one of these fascists tell me that, since I believe the Bible, I’m a “bigot.” Thus, I don’t deserve free speech and tolerance anymore.

OMG, it’s fascism! FEMA camps! Hitler! Run away, run away!

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  1. 1
    Gvlgeologist, FCD

    Wingnut radio show Steve Deace is so far to the right that he makes Michael Savage look like Noam Chomsky. He’s also highly dishonest and not very bright…

    It’s amazing how highly correlated far rightwingery, dishonesty, and stupidity are.

  2. 2
    Al Dente

    Nevertheless, if you’re going to argue that you deserve new “rights,” you have to first make the case that won’t cost anybody else their old ones.

    First, GLBT are not asking for “new” rights, they’re demanding the same rights as everyone else has. Next, being denied the “right” to discriminate is not something most people see as harmful to society.

  3. 3
    Chiroptera

    How is it that Christian business owners are now being compelled by government to do things their religion says is wrong?

    I still have doubts that anyone’s religion forbids them to sell cakes to people or take their picture.

    Seriously, doesn’t these clowns’ religion require them to advertise their religious beliefs at every opportunity? Put a jesus fish in your window. That’s pretty much the international warning symbol for “I’m an ass.” I know if I had a choice, I’d take my business elsewhere.

  4. 4
    dingojack

    Nevertheless, if you’re going to argue that you deserve new “rights,” you have to first make the case that won’t cost anybody else their old ones. So far, the tolerance movement has been unable to do so. ”

    Oh really? Isn’t the test, rather, whether there is any compelling reason to deny that right (already granted to one group) to another group of people?
    It’s the anti marriage equality movement that has failed to show any (even vaguely) compelling harm that would be created by allowing marriage equality (and indeed there are jurisdictions and whole countries that have had marriage equality for a over a decade without any ill effects whatsoever).
    The flame of your doomed cause gutters, and the nameless demons, you spend your life imagining, circle just out of sight of your mind’s eye in the wilful darkness of your own making. Only when that flame extinguishes itself will you face the truth — there never were any monsters under your bed.

    Dingo

  5. 5
    Marcus Ranum

    ending sodomy laws led to fascism in America.

    Sorry, but it was neocon overreaction to 9/11 (aligned with their existing imperial plans) that led to fascism. Sodomy leads to lying around in bed drinking wine and smiling.

  6. 6
    dingojack

    Marcus Ranum – well to be fair, sodomy does, sometimes, lead to —
    SANTORUM!*
    Dingo
    ——–
    * and nobody wants that

  7. 7
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @5. Marcus Ranum : Y’know I think the word ‘fascism ‘ has an actual meaning and the USA is NOT now fascist. Even with some controversial anti-terrorism policies post 9-11.

    *****

    I’ve had more than one of these fascists tell me ..

    I doubt this guy has met a real live fascist in his life.

    .. that, since I believe the Bible, I’m a “bigot.” Thus, I don’t deserve free speech and tolerance anymore.

    I’d suggest he comes here to Australia where our Attorney General is trying changing the racial discrimination law to make bigotry easier and more tolerated :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX-1AucDf6w

    But then again, No, We have more than enough bigots of our own here and less rather than more would be nicer.

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    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @3. Chiroptera :

    How is it that Christian business owners are now being compelled by government to do things their religion says is wrong? I still have doubts that anyone’s religion forbids them to sell cakes to people or take their picture. Seriously, doesn’t these clowns’ religion require them to advertise their religious beliefs at every opportunity?

    Funny thing is, as I understand it, the Christian religion actually demands they turn the other cheek and help out their supposed enemy. The metaphor was allowing themselves to be struck on the other cheek and I think carrying an enemy soldier’s pack twice as far for him.

    Which implies here, I dunno, baking two cakes and putting them both on the house? Telling them to bring their friends into the store as well for some free bonus gifts? Keeping that “Duck dynasty “douche off TV for twice as long? Summin’ along those lines?

  9. 9
    Michael Heath

    Steve Deace writes:

    I’ve had more than one of these fascists tell me that, since I believe the Bible, I’m a “bigot.” Thus, I don’t deserve free speech and tolerance anymore.

    This false belief that loyalty to holy dogma justifiably immunizes one from demonstrated bigotry seems to be increasing lately. As does the false belief that calling them out on their bigotry is a form of bigotry.

    Even heddle’s fallen for it. I.e. when he claimed that conservative Christian churches discriminating against gay people in terms of their membership privileges was no different than one religion doing the same against adherents of another religion. Link (relevant portion also quoted below) [1]: http://goo.gl/WIsCbq

    As opposed to an accurate analogy, which is the KKK discriminating against black people and Jewish people. Except conservative Christians discriminating against gay people is far more insidious than the KKK in at least two respects: 1) Gay children of fundies have no sanctuary from conservative Christian discrimination, hate, and bigotry within their parents’ churches.
    2) Conservative Christian influence in the broader culture has been far more effective in getting non-fundies to bully and hate-on gay people; though their influence is now quickly eroding as we saw with the decline of the KKK.

    1] heddle writes:

    True that my church would not marry a gay couple–but they also do not support making gay marriage illegal. Surely you can tell the difference. (Maybe not–bigots usually wear blinders.) Any non-violent group is free to form associations with those who are like-minded. That includes churches. Would a conservative Muslim mosque allow me to join given that I think Mohammed is a false prophet? No. Does that make them bigots? No. Would a typical Catholic priest have married me (at the time an atheist) and my wife (a Protestant)? No. Does that make them bigots? No.

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    theguy

    “Will they try to stop us from passing these teachings down to our children at home”

    So when it’s fundie homophobic lies told to children, it’s “teachings” but when you say “it’s okay to be gay” it suddenly becomes so-called “homosexual propaganda to children”

    I’m guessing that Steve Deuce is a fan of Russia’s pro-censorship law, thus making his whine totally hypocritical.

  11. 11
    caseloweraz

    Steve Deace: I’ve had more than one of these fascists tell me that, since I believe the Bible, I’m a “bigot.” Thus, I don’t deserve free speech and tolerance anymore.

    But you still have the right of free speech, don’t you? So stop complaining.

  12. 12
    caseloweraz

    Steve Deace: Can we own businesses? Will we be blacklisted from certain industries?

    He’s right here: there are no Christians in the “prison industrial complex.” They’ve all been fired because they’re always turning the other cheek to prisoners.

    /sarc

  13. 13
    felidae

    “Not every homosexual is a fascist”–the rest of them must be godless commies.

  14. 14
    marcus

    Deace “Thus, I don’t deserve free speech and tolerance anymore.”

    You should be thankful that you’re not getting what you “deserve” asshole. (Let’s just say it’s probably is not a comfortable living spouting idiotic bullshit to the credulous and hateful.)
    You should be happy with what you have.

  15. 15
    democommie

    Somewhere (Liberty Unotversity?) there is a walk, similar to the Holocaust Memorial in Boston, complete with a Niemoller-like quote:

    “First they came for the Crusaders, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Crusader.

    Then they came for the inquisitors, and I did not speak out– Because I was not an Inquisitor.

    Then they came for the KKK sheetheads, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a KKK Sheethead (as far as YOU know).

    Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.”

    Perhaps if there were MORE televised wrasslin’ matches, these asshats would be able to dress up in costumes and prance around the ring, alternately playing the victim and beating the shit out of manufactured enemies, with folding chairs, while the referee is looking the other way. That would free up some spectrum.

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