Anglican Archbishop Makes Baffling Statement on Marriage Equality


Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, made an absolutely baffling statement during a phone conference recently, as reported in the Guardian. He says we can’t recognize gay marriages in the west because it will cause Muslims to slaughter Christians in Africa.

African Christians will be killed if the Church of England accepts gay marriage, the archbishop of Canterbury has suggested. Speaking on an LBC phone in, Justin Welby said he had stood by a mass grave in Nigeria of 330 Christians who had been massacred by neighbours who had justified the atrocity by saying: “If we leave a Christian community here we will all be made to become homosexual and so we will kill all the Christians.”

“I have stood by gravesides in Africa of a group of Christians who had been attacked because of something that had happened in America. We have to listen to that. We have to be aware of the fact,” Welby said. If the Church of England celebrated gay marriages, he added, “the impact of that on Christians far from here, in South Sudan, Pakistan, Nigeria and other places would be absolutely catastrophic. Everything we say here goes round the world.”

Andrew Brown, the reporter on the above article, explained separately what Welby was referring to:

He had in mind intercommunal massacres, such as the one he cited in Nigeria. He referred to a particularly harrowing experience he had in the middle belt of Nigeria, where the ethnic cleansing of a Christian village by Muslim neighbours was supposedly justified or prompted by something gay-friendly done by the Anglican church in the US.

This is an absolutely absurd position to take. We’re supposed to deny the rights of LGBT people in this country, or in the UK, because Muslims in Africa will get mad about it and use it to justify the slaughters they already undertake regularly anyway? Seriously? I would suggest that Welby be more concerned about the actions of the Anglican churches in Africa that are under his control. They have enthusiastically supported brutal anti-gay laws in Nigeria and Uganda, something Welby says he is against but has done nothing about. If you’re going to keep people in positions of power within your own church who support the brutalization and imprisonment of gay people, you don’t get to talk about how concerned you are for the people under their care. If you do, you aren’t really opposed to such terrible things happening at all, you’re only concerned when they happen to Christians.

Comments

  1. matty1 says

    While he should condemn those churches in Nigeria and Uganda they aren’t really under his control. The Archbishop of Canterbury is not a Pope of Anglicans, he has a symbolic role and is normally expected to chair when they have conferences of different Anglican churches but there is no way for him to give orders to anyone outside the C of E.

  2. raven says

    Speaking on an LBC phone in, Justin Welby said he had stood by a mass grave in Nigeria of 330 Christians who had been massacred by neighbours who had justified the atrocity by saying: “If we leave a Christian community here we will all be made to become homosexual and so we will kill all the Christians.”

    I don’t believe this happened.

    It’s entirely possible that some Moslems in Nigeria massacred some xians. Massacres by the Islamic Boko Harum of both Moslems and Xians happen often. I don’t believe it has anything to do with anything that happened in America or the UK.

    Boko Harum also believes western education is evil, the earth is flat, and that clouds do not produce rain because Allah makes it rain. Using Justin Welby’s nonreasoning, we in the west should give up education, the round earth, and weather reports.

  3. sh3baproject says

    havent muslims been killing christians in africa already? this guy is a bit out of touch with reality.

  4. raven says

    Justin Welby does have a real problem to worry about in Nigeria.

    Around 1,000 alleged witches are murdered in Africa each year, mostly by xians and mostly children.

    There are a few organizations trying to stop this. AFAICT, none of them are religious ones. They all seem to be secular.

    If Welby really wanted to do something morally right, he would be trying to halt these pointless murders. And I’m sure that will happen about the time pigs fly.

    PS Justin Welby sounds like a typical high xian church official. A warped, angry old white man.

  5. eric says

    “I have stood by gravesides in Africa of a group of Christians who had been attacked because of something that had happened in America. We have to listen to that

    Heckler’s veto is a lousy argument, but even if I were to accept it, doesn’t this guy realize that the UK is not in America?

  6. Nentuaby says

    “We should bow to terrorist demands without question or delay,” said the arch bishop, adding “if only we’d just given over a few chunks of Europe, so much of that little trouble lat century could have been avoided.”

  7. Abby Normal says

    Taking the Archbishop’s story at face value, the problem isn’t so much with Western governments protecting equal rights for homosexuals, but with the perception among certain African Muslims that Western law is entangled with Christianity. This is somewhat understandable, especially with regard to the UK, which is still officially a Christian nation. To protect the lives of Christians in Africa the course is clear; sever those last vestiges pre-enlightenment Church rule. The further the governments of West can distance themselves from the stigma of Christian influence the safer those innocent Christians of Africa will be.

  8. Abdul Alhazred says

    I think what he’s really worried about is the African churches disaffiliating with the C of E.

  9. raven says

    “We should bow to terrorist demands without question or delay,” said the arch bishop, adding “if only we’d just given over a few chunks of Europe, so much of that little trouble lat century could have been avoided.”

    Furthermore, said Archbishop Welby, “We should run our western democracies based on what a few homicidal Moslem religious fanatics in upper Nigeria want us to do.”

    Since Boko Harum is anti-Western Education (the name means western education is a sin), the USA and UK should immediately dismantle their entire education systems.

  10. dingojack says

    Which would you rather:

    a) A religion that dominates and drives national policy (Think PoG)
    OR
    b) A religion that actual policy-makers largely ignore, except when pandering to idiots?*
    Dingo
    =====
    * And then only the vaguest of lip-service

  11. Moggie says

    He’s basically admitted that morality doesn’t come from God. Other religionists may come down on one side or other of the marriage equality argument based on what they claim their god wants, but Welby says instead that it’s up to puny humans to decide on the right thing to do, based on the human consequences of our actions, without regard to supernatural standards. I might even applaud that, if he hadn’t got his conclusion exactly backwards. Trust an Anglican to come up with an answer which is no bloody use to either the secular or the religious!

    Maybe it’s time for him to hand his silly hat over to someone else?

  12. anubisprime says

    raven @ 2

    I don’t believe this happened.

    Many folks in the UK question it…but mainly they let it slide…why I do not know!

    Stinks like a typical theist second hand snippet of gossip they swear is true.

    I also think the ‘justification’ is a bogus one made up to suit the circumstance.

    “If we leave a Christian community here we will all be made to become homosexual and so we will kill all the Christians.”

    In other words it is a total fabrication and a downright lie!

    Justin Welby was apparently a top oil exec in a previous incarnation before he found god, and it seems their adherence to the literal truth is a debatable trait.

    But the Anglican church has run out of other excuses for their innate homophobic bigotry, so they have seemingly started by making them up and that is entirely predictable.

    The African problem they have is that most of the bishops they boast there are creationist fundamentalist literal bunnies and they do not take kindly to a modern Anglican attempt to include women for ordination.

    Seems a few \bishops turn a blind eye to witch burnings and some even allow a bastard weird amalgam of christo/tribal/supernatural gobblygook to be practised in the hinterlands beyond perusal by the world.

    Anyway the Bishops there have threatened more then once to schism from Western Anglican graces and they would take a sizeable congregation with them.

    Welby is pretending their homophobia ties his hands…so a typical churchman…coward and liar to the core.

    Even Williams, he of the errant eyebrows and catweazle like expression, would not conjure up such weak bollix and he was a terrible advert for Anglican belief, bit to unworldly, more an academic and not suited to such mundane tasks as herding an ageing behemoth of a magisterium into the modern world…but he was no liar…just naive.

    Consider just one point…If this tale is true, where is the evidence?

    For such a pronouncement on such a divisive subject in Anglican circles….he has provided not one shred of collaborative narrative,…no place… no area… and no names of officials to confirm or deny such a massacre or who exactly told him this ‘tale’!

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