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  1. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Gee, applying that law would sure put a lot of Republicans & preachers behind bars instantly wouldn’t it?

    Almost makes it tempting.. But NO.

  2. says

    It’s not surprising to me that people like Fischer are that fucking insane but it surprises me that they can MAKE MONEY being crazy.

  3. brucegee1962 says

    Don’t forget that one of the things that JESUS ACTUALLY SAID (as opposed to all the things he specifically did NOT say about the homosex) was that anybody who divorces and then remarries is committing adultery.

    I’m guessing we’d be locking up about half the adults in the country, minimum. Family values!

  4. matty1 says

    @4 Putting my pedant hat on that is one of the things Jesus is alleged to have actually said. Those historians who study the New Testament in the same manner as other ancient texts do not regard it as an accurate account of events, though there is considerable diversity among them about which, if any sections may be based on things that actually happened.

  5. Ellie says

    Really, Bryan? You like Rush Limbaugh enough to defend him against “secular Sharia,” but you still want him to go to jail? Have you let him know what your feelings are?

  6. Larry Kearney says

    And yet people wearing mixed fabrics are free to walk around in public, spreading their filth amongst all the jebus-loving, single fabric-wearing xtians.

    Its just not fair, I tells ya!

  7. D. C. Sessions says

    Gee, applying that law would sure put a lot of Republicans & preachers behind bars instantly wouldn’t it?

    Yes and no. Bear in mind that Biblical adultery (as distinct from the modern invention) consists entirely of a man having sex with a woman married to someone else. That lets the married preachers and pols have a clear shot at any single women [1], and of course girls.

    [1] Divorced women get you into that whole “inerrancy” thing, doesn’t it Bryan?

  8. caseloweraz says

    My first thought on reading this headline was to wonder whether Fischer was confessing and seeking atonement.

    I should have known better.

  9. raven says

    Wikipedia Infidelity:

    In general, national surveys conducted in the early 1990s reported that between 15-25% of married Americans reported having extramarital affairs.[5]

    Studies suggest around 30–40% of unmarried relationships and 18–20% of marriages see at least one incident of sexual infidelity. Men are more likely than women to have a sexual affair, regardless of whether or not they are in a married or unmarried relationship.[7][page needed]

    The rate of adultery isn’t too well known but the latest surveys put it around 20% for Americans.

    This means we are going to put somewhere around 50 million Americans in jail for 15 years. Most will be men.

    This would make the USA a totalitarian state with a huge Gulag that makes the old USSR look like pathetic amateurs. It’s also a recipe for national failure when one of the main occupations is people investigating, arresting, trying, guarding and feeding the other part of the population. It isn’t even a police state, it is a Prison State.

    PS On the bright side, a lot of those in prison would be ministers, and assorted other fundie xians. Fundies have a very high rate of divorce and an attraction to social problems.

  10. Childermass says

    “I’m guessing we’d be locking up about half the adults in the country, minimum. Family values!”

    Minimum? That does not even qualify starting to think about locking up a minimum.

    At least half the husbands and large percent of wives are guilt of cheating on their spouses. As you stated, remarrying after divorce is adultery. And even if we ignore that, sex before marriage except maybe to one’s future spouce is also adultery. All this snags almost every person. I suppose Fischer does not want government to cover adultery in one’s heart* as that would pretty much eliminate pretty much everyone.

    So in the interests of efficiency and knowing that I will snag a few percent of innocent people plus young kids, I find the entire human race guilty and sentence it to 15 years of being locked up in the Cosmos. If at the end of 15 years the situation is not stopped, human race will get another 15. We will keep this up until we can invent robots to follow every single human 24/7 and keep us out of trouble by their constant presence as we contemplate a world without adultery and where everyone WILL be at church this Sunday with folded hands.

    *Unless they are named Jimmy.

  11. Crip Dyke, Right Reverend, Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    Wait, what?

    I read the headline and I thought Fischer was speaking of his hope that someone might house him, all expenses paid, with a bunch of other people who think people having sex is more important than people being honest.

  12. D. C. Sessions says

    This would make the USA a totalitarian state with a huge Gulag that makes the old USSR look like pathetic amateurs. It’s also a recipe for national failure when one of the main occupations is people investigating, arresting, trying, guarding and feeding the other part of the population.

    Raven, I hate to break the news to you but …

  13. beezlebubby says

    Oh course we know goddamned well who would be doing most of the jail time: dark-skinned people and those awful awful “sluts”. Rich, white megachurch pastors and wealthy white men, period, will skate.

  14. howardhershey says

    Perhaps he has stock in the for-profit prison industry? Got to make sure that those beds are filled.

  15. Sastra says

    My guess is that those who are convicted of the ‘crime’ of adultery could escape punishment if they repent. Publicly, that is. There would be a big show where groups of people avoid prison by affirming and testifying their witness of the Lord Jesus Christ and His merciful act of forgiveness.

    Public displays of piety involving absolution from the law would be perfectly consistent with the views and values of those who want to criminalize sinful immorality in the first place.

  16. says

    Harry #9,

    Brian is a mushy soft christian. The penalty for adultery is death (Leviticus).

    Wow. Someone forgot to tell Jesus. He encountered adulterers and never called for their death (or imprisonment.) Don’t get me wrong,

  17. thebookofdave says

    No one had to remind Jesus about the law, heddle. He tacitly accepted adultery as a capital crime, but asserted the accusers hold themselves to the same standard as the accused (John 8:2-11). I don’t think any of us have gotten you wrong, at least until you explain how you expect us to get you right. Just sayin’.

  18. dingojack says

    Fischer Wants Prison for Adultery

    Well, first Bryan you’d have to persuade a married women to have sex with you (getting any women
    voluntarily to go anywhere near you must be difficult enough)….

    Dingo

  19. says

    thebookofdave #22,

    No, Jesus never “tacitly” accepted adultery as a capital crime in the civil sense. I don’t know where you got such a notion. He accepted all/any sin as a capital crime in terms of one’s salvation, but he never expressed any support for the idea of the state executing adulterers, blasphemers, etc.

  20. Michael Heath says

    heddle writes:

    [Jesus] accepted all/any sin as a capital crime in terms of one’s salvation

    Yep, we sometimes do the wrong thing. And the supposed Jesus’ reaction is to supposedly consign some of us to an eternity of punishment with that if one also fails to blindly, childishly, and slavishly submit to truth claims for which there’s no evidence.

    When we put the Bible’s Jesus into the full context of his qualities, it’s trivial whether that biblical character minimized the letter of the OT law as some biblical passages assert or demanded fealty to it as others claim. This is just one of many vivid examples of a failure from God of the Bible to clearly communicate.

    Such discussions do serve as a red herring in avoiding what does distinguish this particular’s god’s attributes. The impact of either position is almost nothing compared to the biblical promise of eternal punishment for failing to submit in the right way, where the Bible is impotent in clearly explaining in a way that even devout Christians can agree. Can we even imagine an act more evil than eternal suffering?

    The distinguishing characteristic here is a primitive people who threaten fealty to their dogma. And if you fail to submit in a consistent manner to such dogma, in spite of its being replete with inconsistencies and lacks even an iota of evidence of its veracity, you’re confronted with the threat of eternal suffering. Christians can’t win the argument on evidence, logic, and utility, so they childishly threaten those who fail to submit with the most evil one can imagine inflicting on another. And then claim the god who promises eternal punishment is somehow full of grace and worthy of our adoration.

  21. says

    Rather than argue with heddle about whether people like Fischer are True Christians or Troo KKKristians* I will simply say this.

    A distressingly high number of folks who consider themselves to be the former agree wholeheartedly with Fischer’s line of thinking, viewing sinners–especially those who are obviously enjoying their sin-filled temporal existence–as persons who DESERVE to be punished, eternally for their meatworld transgressions.

    The simple fact is that people who self-identify as Christians, people who are in high positions of authority in both secular and religious organizations do NOT exhibit anything that looks remotely like the loving acts that JESUS spoke about, instead relying on the OT proscriptions against sinners. If they truly LOVED the sinner and hated the sin, there would be no prisons, no wars against those who transgressed against us and a whole fuckuvalot more native amercians than there are, today–oh and NO slaves.

    heddle, I think, accepts the 144K number of those who will be “saved”, the “Elect”. If he’s correct, their population distribution is something like 1/41,666.6666666667 to 1/48,611.11111111111**. He may be onto something. I’m just basing that on my personal observance of the many thousands of people I’ve met or observed in my 64 years; it is my considered opinion that none of them is more or less deserving of a life in paradise or hell than I might be–fuck it, maybe I AM one of the “elect”–an outlier to be sure–and I will be very, very lonely without my frienemies there in the bosom of the LORD.

    * It is plain, at least to me, that many who self-identify as the former do not act in accordance with the suggestions/rules/? of the loving JESUS that they claim fealty to.

    ** using a figure for the earth’s population between 6B and 7B in toto

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