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Creationists Want Equal Time on Cosmos

Okay, this is just hilarious to me. Young earth creationists are whining that they’re not allowed to make their case on Neil deGrasse Tyson’s remake of Cosmos. It’s just unfair, you see, that he isn’t giving them equal time on his TV show. You know, like preachers always do in churches by letting scientists rebut their sermons every week.

Creationists are accusing astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson’s reboot of “Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey” of being scientifically unbalanced because it doesn’t represent their beliefs.

Right Wing Watch posted audio of Danny Faulkner of Answers In Genesis and the Creation Museum speaking Thursday on “The Janet Mefford Show,” in which he blasted deGrasse Tyson for ignoring the creationist point of view.

“Creationists aren’t even on the radar screen for them, they wouldn’t even consider us plausible at all,” Faulkner told host Janet Mefford.

Yeah, that’s because your ideas aren’t plausible or even minimally credible. They’ve been disproved over and over again. And hey Danny, since you’re with AIG, perhaps you can point me to all those exhibits in your creation museum that allow scientists to present actual science that conflicts with your young earth bullshit. Oh, they aren’t there? Imagine that. Wouldn’t that make you a hypocrite?

“But when you have so many scientists who simply do not accept Darwinian evolution, it seems to me that that might be something to throw in there,” Mefford said. “You know, the old, ‘some scientists say this, others disagree and think this,’ but that’s not even allowed.”

I know, right? Just like they don’t spend time presenting the views of flat earthers, hollow earthers, Raelians, Scientologists, Hindus and Zoroastrians. It’s just not fair!

Comments

  1. zippythepinhead says

    There’s a petition to Jimmy Wales of wikipedia to give equal space to holistic healing. His response applies here (via slashdot, http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/03/25/1314219/jimmy-wales-to-holistic-healers-prove-your-claims-the-old-fashioned-way):

    Wales’s response to the petition, posted on the same page, is far from conciliatory: ‘No, you have to be kidding me,’ he writes. ‘Every single person who signed this petition needs to go back to check their premises and think harder about what it means to be honest, factual, truthful. What we won’t do is pretend that the work of lunatic charlatans is the equivalent of ‘true scientific discourse’. It isn’t.'”

  2. John Pieret says

    But when you have so many scientists who simply do not accept Darwinian evolution

    From inside a fringe group, where everyone agrees with you, I suppose they look like a lot.

    Put on your own shows … please! I will be a great source of amusement.

  3. Trebuchet says

    “But when you have so many scientists who simply do not accept Darwinian evolution…”

    Most of whom, when you actually investigate, turn out to be engineers. The few who are actually scientists are from utterly different fields.

  4. freehand says

    There are no scientists doing science who reject the theory of evolution. There are a handful of scientists doing religion who reject the theory of evolution; a handful of cranks outside their field of expertise doing pseudoscience; and some with organic brain diseases who have lost their focus and ability to think rationally.

  5. says

    If only they had a major news network dedicated to their world view, or multiple entire radio/TV stations dedicated to Christianity. If only they could write thousands of books and immediately have hundreds of millions of buyers with money to blow, craving the product.

    If only Christianity/Creationists had these kinds of opportunities to exercise their free speech.

  6. Mr Ed says

    Let them go first. In the middle of Noah present a view that the whole thing isn’t practical. During Sunday sermons select a handful of counter points.

  7. says

    I don’t know what creationists are complaining about. Seth McFarlane, the executive producer of Cosmos, has already produced a version of cosmos for them:

  8. kosk11348 says

    While there may be “scientists” who reject evolution, none of them do so for scientific reasons. It’s always because evolution conflicts with their preexisting religious beliefs.

  9. raven says

    “But when you have so many scientists who simply do not accept Darwinian evolution,…

    This BTW is false. Another of their lies.

    Among all scientists, acceptance of evolution runs around 97%, according to Pew polling. In biology, the relevant science, it runs around 99%.

    The evolution deniers freely admit they oppose evolution based on religious reasons. They are mostly engineers, computer programmers, chemists and so on, and are mostly old and in the south USA, fundieland.

  10. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    In the episode I saw (The second(?) “tree of Life” one) I thought the Creationist “argument” got more than enough time as it was.

    What? They really want to be pawned /owned /whatever the latest hip term is even more?

  11. says

    I can actually imagine a series for Young Earth Creationists. And anti-vaxxers, global warming denialists, homeopathic practitioners, faith healers, reflexologists, Scientologists, UFOlogists, Arkologists and people who believe the moon landings were hoaxes. Call it “Blinded by Pseudoscience” and dedicate the program to debunking such nonsense.

    Yeah, I’m not holding my breath, either.

  12. says

    I think it’d be awesome to have a short appearance by some creationists. You could have a 30 second interview:
    Interviewer: “How did the universe come about?”
    Creationist: “God did it.”
    Interviewer: “Anything else?”
    Creationist: “Um, evolution is wrong?”
    Interviewer: “Thank you for your time.”

    Or, they could interview a couple creationists from different religions. Then cut back and ask each of them for their evidence. OK, it’d come off a bit too harsh, like it was making fun of them, or something accurate like that.

  13. ShowMetheData says

    How great it would be that they would show it as shown in the bible

    A flat earth anchored by the Pillars of the Earth with a dome above
    One level of the dome for the sun and moon and another level for the stars
    All this surrounded by water

    And a talking donkey – like Shrek

  14. Larry says

    Interviewer: “Thank you for your time.”

    Interviewer: After the break, we’ll discuss what holds the Earth up: gravity or turtles all the way down. Our guests will be Sir Isaac Newton and a Flat Earth Society top scientist. We’ll be right back.

  15. raven says

    I can actually imagine a series for Young Earth Creationists. And anti-vaxxers,

    IIRC, they already have whole channels, TV stations and broadcast networks devoted to that.

    The learning channel, discovery channel, history channel, Xian Broadcasting network, Trinity Broadcasting network, Fox News, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, and so on. Ghost hunting shows, Doomsday prepper shows, the misnaned reality shows.

    I almost never watch TV so am not current on any of it. Someone else can fill in the details.

  16. Akira MacKenzie says

    Gregory in Seattle @ 14

    They already do, it’s called “The History Channel.”

  17. lldayo says

    I think Tyson should introduce a hand puppet onto the show in the form of a pile of talking doo-doo and name it Bill Shut. He could ask Bill questions from time to time about the mainstream ideas regarding creation of the cosmos from a creationist perspective. He might even introduce him by pretending to pull him out of his butt!

  18. Wylann says

    If we follow their advice, then the whole ‘Bible’ series that is on the History(sic) channel will have to be edited….

  19. says

    @raven #18, @Akira MacKenzie #20 – I don’t think you read my entire response.

    Call it “Blinded by Pseudoscience” and dedicate the program to debunking such nonsense.

    Yeah, I’m not holding my breath, either.

    The History Channel, the “Learning” Channel, Faux Noize and all the rest would never, ever do a show debunking nonsense. Certainly not in my lifetime, at least.

  20. Chiroptera says

    They want equal time? But they’ve already squandered their equal opportunity…to demonstrate the scientific validity of their thesis.

    Sounds like another group that’s looking for “special rights.”

  21. Synfandel says

    Akira MacKenzie @20:

    They already do, it’s called “The History Channel.”

    Don’t get me started. What a gigantic disappointment that channel has turned into! It’s all ghosts, yetis, and Nostradamus all the time.

  22. JustaTech says

    I saw a great pair of programs on the National Geograph channel once (a long time ago). The first program was all about the wackos who think the moon landing was a hoax (it was not very favorable), and the second program was all about why those people were wrong; taking down each specific complaint.

    Not that they would ever show anything that useful or factual now. Now it’s all “Border Guard!” dreck.

  23. says

    Synfandel “It’s all ghosts, yetis, and Nostradamus all the time.”
    Oh. Perhaps it’s not the best time to tell you about their new show, Ghost Yeti Nostradamas.

  24. eric says

    “You know, the old, ‘some scientists say this, others disagree and think this,’ but that’s not even allowed.”

    Sure it’s allowed. In this show, Neil DeGrasse Tyson says this. Now you go make a show about Michael Behe says that. Problem solved.

  25. John Pieret says

    Marcus Ranum @ 15:

    I think it’d be awesome to have a short appearance by some creationists. You could have a 30 second interview:
    Interviewer: “How did the universe come about?”
    Creationist: “God did it.”
    Interviewer: “Anything else?”
    Creationist: “Um, evolution is wrong?”
    Interviewer: “Thank you for your time.”

    There actually was a show like that … the HBO special Questioning Darwin that aired earlier this year. And, yes, not a few of the interviews with the creationists pretty much went like that.

  26. notyet says

    Demanding that creation science be given equal time on Cosmos is not the same as a demand to put evolution into their Sunday Schools. They are asking to put a different brand of science (pseudo-science) onto a science show. This is far more analogous to asking them to put a Muslim cleric on the pulpit to explain his idea of where Christians will go when they die. Preach the controversy!!! On the other hand I think that Tyson should answer their claims on air. Something along the lines of “Creationists have been claiming that large numbers of scientists doubt the tenets of evolution. While this may be true, I think it only fair to point out that for every one of the PHD biologists in this country that do not agree with evolution there are 500 that do. In addition, as the older generation passes on that 500 to 1 ratio grows larger every year.” Speak truth to bullshit. Take their propaganda and correct it on the air in front of millions of viewers. I can’t think of a better way to shut them up than letting their followers know that they are being deceived.

  27. chilidog99 says

    Isn’t the entire cosmos show already taped and “in the can?”

    Do they expect the producers to retape an episode just for them?

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