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Mar 18 2014

AZ GOP Candidate: Slavery Wasn’t So Bad

I think the Republican Party needs to add slavery to the list of subjects they really should STFU about, along with rape. It seems every time one of them opens their mouth about it, something appalling comes out. Jim Brown, a Republican candidate for Congress from Arizona, says it really wasn’t all that bad:

Back in the day of slavery, slaves were kept in slavery by denying them education and opportunity while providing them with their basic needs .. Not by beating them and starving them. (Although there were isolated cases if course) Basically slave owners took pretty good care of their slaves and livestock and this kept business rolling along.

That Facebook post was later deleted, but here’s the whole thing. He uses that setup to argue against economic assistance for the poor.

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  1. 1
    sh3baproject

    “jobs, education, and opprunity – not slavery”

    no you want slavery. you just cant say it aloud.

  2. 2
    richardelguru

    “em- slaving”???

  3. 3
    Moggie

    Shorter Jim Brown: treating black people like cattle is fine, but treating white people like cattle is tyranny!

  4. 4
    Gregory in Seattle

    I am reminded — yet again — of Ev Meacham, elected the 17th Governor of Arizona in 1986. One of his first acts after taking the governorship was to rescind the previous governor’s executive order creating a Martin Luther Day Jr. holiday, saying that he was a communist sympathizer and did not deserve a holiday. He later backtracked and reinstated the holiday… on a Sunday, saying it was an appropriate day for a member of the clergy.

    He eventually became the first US governor ever to simultaneously face impeachment, recall and felony indictments; the impeachment won out and he was thrown out after only 15 months in office. Among his other issues: defending the use of the word “pickaninny” for black children in a state-authorized history book; blamed the state’s high divorce rate on working women; was known to use Newspeak in actual conversation (When U2 cancelled a concert in Phoenix as part of a huge boycott of the state, Meacham responded by calling them “an un-band”); and appointed co-religionists (Mormon bishops, all) to the state’s tobacco and liquor board with the express purpose of shutting them down and preventing the issuance of new licenses to sell.

    He was a Republican ahead of his time.

  5. 5
    doublereed

    Wow, that’s a ridiculous version of the Republican con job. “We’re giving you the opportunity to pull yourself up, because lord knows we’re not going to help you.” Awful doublespeak.

    As far as slavery, why dear god are they trying so hard to do historical revisionism on slavery? They sound like white nationalists.

  6. 6
    Gregory in Seattle

    @doublereed #5 – “They sound like white nationalists.”

    Bingo.

  7. 7
    robertbaden

    The Republican Party made a deal with the devil when they took in the Southern Democrats. Results are as to be expected..

  8. 8
    Chiroptera

    Did he make that tweet on an even numbered day? ‘Cause on odd numbered days they’re supposed to admit that slavery was evil, but it was a liberal invention.

  9. 9
    Reginald Selkirk

    If only there were a political party with the conscience and will to put an end to slavery…

  10. 10
    Set Kouwenhoven

    My father has been saying this exact thing for years.

  11. 11
    alanb

    @doublereed #5 – “They sound like white nationalists.”

    Bingo.

    It is, of course, that. But more importantly it is a part of the Lost Cause rhetoric of the neo-Confederates who want to peddle the idea that The War of Northern Aggression was an invasion of a noble and heroic people.

  12. 12
    raven

    I think the Republican Party needs to add slavery to the list of subjects they really should STFU about, along with rape. It seems every time one of them opens their mouth about it, something appalling comes out.

    And economics, women, education, and science*.

    While the GOP is appalling cubed, people who aren’t angry, old white men still vote for them. Science can explain why the tides come in and go out but can’t explain that.

    * The only war Bush did well with was his War on Science. A few decades ago scientists were split 50:50 GOP to Democrats. Today over 90% of scientists are Democrats.

  13. 13
    scienceavenger

    Not by beating them and starving them. (Although there were isolated cases if course)

    Right, so isolated the practice apparently gave rise to a term (“cracker”) and allowed potential slave buyers to check on the disciplinary history of a slave by the scars on his back.

  14. 14
    John Pieret

    Another victim of the right wing echo chamber. That idea probably went over pretty well on the local wingnut radio and rubber chicken circuit. He then repeats it to the public at large and finds out that that his little insular world isn’t what he thought it was.

  15. 15
    Modusoperandi

    Look, he’s right. The social safety net is a hammock. Try getting out of a hammock!

  16. 16
    dugglebogey

    Is the reason that right-wing republicans won’t outwardly condemn the concept of slavery because it is wholly endorsed by the bible and they’re afraid to alienate hardcore christianists?

  17. 17
    Nihilismus

    Basically slave owners took pretty good care of their slaves . . .

    And slavery is bad . . . so we must take worse care of people today?

    . . . and this kept business rolling along

    So . . . taking care of people is good for the economy? Or at the very least, prevents a riot of starving people?

    . . . slaves were kept in slavery by denying them education and opportunity . . . pressure political leaders to focus on jobs, education and opportunity . . .

    So he’s for free education and career training to all ages, right? Because if people don’t have money and can’t afford an education (and therefore opportunity), they would still be slaves. Also, he would be for more public-sector jobs, right? Because it’s a job that pays and increasing the number of them increases opportunity. Or is it that public-sector jobs are slavery because “government”, but it’s not slavery to refuse to provide assistance for poor people, forcing them out of desperation to take a private-sector job (assuming there is one) that doesn’t pay a living wage let alone enough for more education to possibly move up to a better job?

    I feel like these conservatives are arguing against slavery as a debate tactic. That is, they are are really thinking something like this: “Now, I’m personally for slavery. My opponent isn’t. But even if I were to grant that slavery is bad, my opponent’s policies would still lead to slavery. Therefore, there’s no point in using my opponent’s policies.”

  18. 18
    Moggie

    But… but the bible says that you’re allowed to beat your slaves! What does Jim Brown have against the bible?

  19. 19
    fifthdentist

    Well, his post does make an excellent point about the need for education. But I’m sure it wasn’t in the way that he intended.

  20. 20
    Deen

    Back in the day of slavery, slaves were kept in slavery by denying them education and opportunity while providing them with their basic needs .

    and

    It’s my sincere belief that over entitlements are a means of em-slaving the people by robbing opportunity while taking care of basic needs

    I find it… interesting… that he thinks that the “providing basic needs” part is what defines slavery, not the “denying education and opportunity” part. I’m also not sure how he thinks people will be able to take advantage of education and opportunity before their basic needs are taken care of first. You can’t learn or work on an empty stomach, after all.

    Besides, I doubt he has any concrete proposals to help improve “education and opportunity” beyond “the Invisible Hand of the Free Market will magically solve it all”.

  21. 21
    steve84

    The Republicans are all pro-slavery. They want employers to be slave masters and employees to be serfs without any rights.

  22. 22
    Modusoperandi

    steve84 “They want…employees to be serfs without any rights.”
    Lies! There’s always someone below you you can control!*

     
    * God > Leader > Job Creator® > Man > Wife > Child > Dog > [various Unpopular Minorites] > etc

  23. 23
    tommykey

    Another one that annoys me is when people say to the effect that today’s African Americans should be glad their ancestors were enslaved, otherwise today they might be living in an African hellholle.

    Such an assertion totally ignores the devastating impact that the trans-Atlantic slave trade had on African societies that made many parts of Africa a worse place than it would have been had the slave trade not existed.

  24. 24
    greg1466

    So slavery was maintained by providing slaves basic needs while keeping them poor and uneducated (more complicated than that, but let’s run with it). I’m thinking the “poor and uneducated” part is the more important part of that. So what does it say that Republicans seem intent on keeping people poor and uneducated by denying them assistance with basic needs? Sounds to me like they are trying to create/maintain a virtual slave class of citizens.

  25. 25
    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    @richardelguru #2:

    “em- slaving”???

    If course.

  26. 26
    eric

    Second the comments @20. I am not sure how providing me with my basic needs “robs” me of opportunity to do better. I have health care…therefore, I can no longer write the novel I’ve wanted to?

  27. 27
    Modusoperandi

    eric “Second the comments @20. I am not sure how providing me with my basic needs “robs” me of opportunity to do better.”
    Because it goes to black people.

  28. 28
    democommie

    ” it is a part of the Lost Cause rhetoric of the neo-Confederates who want to peddle the idea that The War of Northern Aggression was an invasion of a noble and heroic people.”

    That is why I prefer to refer to it as “The War of Southern Treachery”. They tend to not like that, I mean REALLY not like that.

  29. 29
    dingojack

    “em- slaving”* is clearly forcing ‘—’ into slavery.
    Dingo
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    * you’d think that’d be ‘em—slaving’, wouldn’t you?

  30. 30
    democommie

    I’m not sure if I agree with Mr. Brown. I would like to observe some slave or other for, oh, I don’t know–their entire life?–before making up my mind. I wonder if Jim’s interested in taking part in a little experiment.

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