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Moore Borrows Beck’s Feigned Ignorance

Like Glenn Beck, who says he doesn’t know any Christian conservatives who are anti-gay, Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission says he doesn’t know a single evangelical who supports the anti-gay law in Uganda.

Decrying laws in countries such as Uganda and Russia, Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said he knows no evangelicals who would support legislation like Uganda’s.

“We always must balance a fear of Western cultural imperialism with a responsibility to speak to global human rights around the world,” said Moore, who has also denounced Russia’s anti-gay laws because he has adopted sons from Russia.

“Those of us who hold to a Christian sexual ethic don’t want to see those who disagree with us jailed; we want to see them reconciled to God through the gospel.”

Really? Lots and lots of American evangelicals are still angry that the Supreme Court won’t let them put gay people in jail. And lots of and lots of them have supported the anti-gay laws in Uganda, Nigeria and Russia. There are even those, like Bradlee Dean, who thinks that those Muslim countries that put gay people to death are more moral than American Christians. Or perhaps Moore is engaged in a No True Evangelical Scotsman argument.

Comments

  1. John Pieret says

    prhaps Moore is engaged in a No True Evangelical Scotsman argument

    Or maybe he is invoking a Bill Clintonesque dictionary defense of not personally knowing people like Dean and Lively, et al.

  2. Larry says

    Or perhaps Moore is engaged in a No True Evangelical Scotsman argument.

    No, he’s a liar.

  3. says

    Scott Lively, who openly and repeatedly claims credit for the new law, is not an evangelical? Ken Hutcherson? Rick Warren? Don Schmierer, a board member of Exodus International? Roger Ross Williams, a pastor who is even now making a glowing documentary of how Uganda is fighting the “sin” of homosexuality? None of these people, who claim to be evangelical pastors, are real evangelicals?

  4. Hatchetfish says

    Just laying the groundwork for “Christianity has always supported equality and Oceania”. Just like every social justice revolution, when the time comes that worm’s going to turn so fast it’ll smoke.

  5. Alverant says

    Don’t you know that according to deddle any christian that embarrasses his religion doesn’t count?

  6. says

    @Hatchetfish #4 – Yup. Today, preachers say, with seemingly sincere earnestness, that Christianity has NEVER supported slavery or racism. Before too long, they will be saying the same thing about homophobia.

  7. raven says

    The two countries fundies admire the most seem to be Uganda and Russia.

    Both of which are among the most dysfunctional and unpleasant places today.

    One of the countries they really, seriously hate is…the USA. Their god is supposedly going to destroy us any day now for being what we are, an occasionally progressive Hi Tech democracy.

    Unfortunately for us, they never walk their talk. It’s that hypocrisy sacrament. We would cheefully help them pack and buy them a one way ticket if they wanted to move to their xian paradises. They never do.

  8. says

    Decrying laws in countries such as Uganda and Russia, Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said he knows no evangelicals who would support legislation like Uganda’s.

    Well, duh. In order for them to support legislation like Uganda’s, you’d first have to strike out “Uganda” on the bill and replace it with “The United States of America”.

  9. dingojack says

    OK everybody sing SLC/Heddle’s favourite: [to the tune of ‘Auld Lang Syne’]::

    “No snow no snow no snow no snow
    No snow no snow, no snooow
    No snow no snow no snow no snow
    Noo snow ,noo snooow”

    :) Dingo
    ———–
    According to Anna Leonowens, a nanny hired by the King of Siam, Rama IV (1851-68), the young Prince of Siam at the time refused to believe snow existed because ‘he had never seen it’.

  10. says

    On the other hand, it gives me just a tiny bit of good feeling that at least one evangelical Xtian recognizes, however briefly and illogically expressed, that Uganda went too far – meaning, if only he will recognize it, that the tide of public opinion is turning against his own views.

    Maybe.

  11. Michael Heath says

    colnago80 writes:

    Also known as Heddle’s no true Scotsman shtick.

    I wrote the below not realizing whose post I was rebutting until after I wrote the below. I don’t typically reply to this person except to point out how I observe them misrepresenting nearly every person they reference nearly every time. Since I wrote the below, I’ll post it.

    In slight defense of heddle’s ‘no true Scotsman’ propensity, I also observe a lot of liberal Christians and even ‘nones’ make the ‘no true Scotsman’ defense of Christianity when certain Christians act out in a way where we can find biblical edicts that condemn such behavior.

    I predominately find both types of arguments un-compelling within the context in play. But heddle has not cornered the market on this type of argument, he’s just the laudably rare Christian willing to partially engage with people like us ,where I’ve yet to meet even on conservative Christian willing to fully engage. So I don’t think its fair to distinguish heddle as if only he deploys such arguments; there’s a big clean-up in the liberal aisle on this one as well.

  12. freehand says

    Raging Bee: Does this mean Beck will be acting intelligently until he gets his feigned ignorance back?
    .
    No, he’ll just man up and make do until then with genuine ignorance.

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