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Lively: ‘Marxist’ Gay People to Blame for Divorce.

Scott Lively has been making the rounds of the right wing fever swamps lately talking about the Russian and Uganda anti-gay laws he loves so much, but he took a break and did an Irish radio show with a host who disagrees with him. He said that gay people are engaged in a Marxist plot to destroy society and that they are to blame for heterosexual diverse (and, presumably, for the fact that evangelicals have a higher divorce rate than atheists).

Boylan: You’re accusing the gay community of trying to destroy family values, is that what you’re trying to say?

Lively: I am. And you know, this comes out of…this is straight out of Herbert Marcuse and the Frankfurt school of cultural Marxists. Marxism has always been about destroying civilization so they can rebuild on the ashes their utopian socialist society, which is just a fantasy. But they had an actual strategy, and that strategy was in three parts. And the primary part was to break down the nuclear family. And in the United States, where they implemented this, that’s what they taught.

Now, the original gay movement in the U.S., back that was getting started in the late 1940s, their original goal, articulated by Dale Jennings of the Mattachine Society was quote, ‘The right to be left alone.’ I always supported that. In 1968, with the Stonewall riot on Christopher Street in New York City, they shifted their focus from tolerance, from asking for tolerance, to demanding the ability and the power to transform all of society in their own image and to take their model of sexual anarchy into the mainstream…

The idea that heterosexuals now have a dramatically higher divorce rate, that’s true. That’s because, in the 1960s, the gay model of sexual anarchy was introduced and the heterosexuals adopted the gay model. That’s what’s going on.

Isn’t it fascinating that Massachusetts, the first state to legalize same-sex marriage, continues to have one of the lowest divorce rates in the country a decade later. And they haven’t legalized polygamy or incest or pedophilia, nor have straight people stopped loving their children or the society collapsed. The more ridiculous the predictions of doom, the more reasonable people realize just how absurd these people are.

Comments

  1. a_ray_in_dilbert_space says

    But Ed, look how creative you can be when you are utterly unconstrained by facts and reality!

  2. John Pieret says

    with the Stonewall riot on Christopher Street in New York City, they shifted their focus from tolerance, from asking for tolerance, to demanding the ability and the power to transform all of society in their own image

    Gee, I didn’t know that fighting against cops arbitrarily raiding gay bars and beating up the patrons was not a plea for tolerance.

    the gay model of sexual anarchy was introduced and the heterosexuals adopted the gay model

    So who is to fault? The gays or the heterosexuals?

  3. Synfandel says

    If Mr. Lively doesn’t like what he calls “the gay model of sexual anarchy,” perhaps he should stop trying to prevent gay and lesbian couples from marrying.

  4. says

    What a liar. Scott “Laws that send people to jail for being gay are a good idea” Lively claims he was willing to leave gay people alone. Yeah, sure, and I’m the Vizier of Slotsylvania.

  5. RickR says

    According to Lively, gays are magically responsible for everything bad. Divorce, tooth decay, incontinence, bad movies, New Coke. It’s a pretty long list.

  6. Subtract Hominem, a product of Nauseam says

    And nobody was more steeped in Marxism than that flamer Queen Henry VIII.

  7. bushrat says

    According to Lively, gays are magically responsible for everything bad. Divorce, tooth decay, incontinence, bad movies, New Coke. It’s a pretty long list.

    Those BASTARDS! Does the evil of the Ghey Agenda know no bounds!

  8. eric says

    the primary part was to break down the nuclear family.

    Huh, funny, I see one side trying to prevent nuclear families from forming…and it ain’t them.

  9. says

    “According to Lively, gays are magically responsible for everything bad. Divorce, tooth decay, incontinence, bad movies, New Coke. It’s a pretty long list.”

    And at the tippy-tippy-top of that list–WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back in his hindbrain is that it causes Scotty to fear that he might get teh GAYfection from all of the homoz!

  10. Doug Little says

    So, My wife and I must be contributing to the breakdown of the nuclear family as well seeing as we don’t have any children and are not going to have any children, how can this be pinned solely on gay relationships?

  11. Doug Little says

    Would anybody actually care if this guy got curb stomped? I’d be smiling on the inside just a little bit.

  12. Chiroptera says

    That’s because, in the 1960s, the gay model of sexual anarchy was introduced and the heterosexuals adopted the gay model.

    I’m pretty sure my parents got divorced because they adopted the “I’m unhappy living with the person to whom I’m married” model.

  13. Synfandel says

    Organized, methodical, well-regulated, systematic sex is much more fun than sexual anarchy.

  14. Pierce R. Butler says

    … they are to blame for heterosexual diverse …

    Yeah, if not for those meddling gays, heteros would be all alike!

  15. anne mariehovgaard says

    Synfandel@16:

    Organized, methodical, well-regulated, systematic sex

    You forgot “disciplined” :p

  16. leonardschneider says

    Organized, methodical, well-regulated, systematic sex is much more fun than sexual anarchy.

    If there are enough people involved at once, sex has to be organized and systematic etc. Otherwise, you could be looking at some serious injuries.

    Sometimes “safe sex” involves yoga mats and eye protection. Bicycle helmets, too, if things are enthusiastic enough.

  17. leonardschneider says

    @ Doug Little (#14):

    Would anybody actually care if this guy got curb stomped? I’d be smiling on the inside just a little bit.

    It’s a nice fantasy, but… The last thing these pricks need is a martyr figure. Gays are already Marxists bent on dissolving heterosexual marriage, seducing children, destroying families, and —- I dunno, mandating the installation of fuck-swings in all public parks and having five gallon drums of Astroglide issued to all high school students at the beginning of every school year. Giving them something tangible to work with — gays committing street violence — would do no good. (And it wouldn’t matter if the stomper was gay or straight, it would still be the fault of the gays.)

  18. laurentweppe says

    Gee, I didn’t know that fighting against cops arbitrarily raiding gay bars and beating up the patrons was not a plea for tolerance.

    In a bully’s mind, If you punch him back, it means that you want to take his place.

  19. Hatchetfish says

    “(And it wouldn’t matter if the stomper was gay or straight, it would still be the fault of the gays.)”

    This touches on why I generally hope for rocks from space. If it actually happens, they have to accept that it’s random or blame the vindictive abusive sky daddy.

  20. dingojack says

    So Scotty no one got divorced before 1960 eh?

    Doug Little – no, I prefer him alive and well and sweating it out in fear and loathing in his momma’s basement. But then again I’ve something of sadistic streak.
    Dingo

  21. says

    @ Gregory in Seattle,
    Marxists and Nazis are the same thing, dinchyaknow?
    The reason Stalin and Hitler got into that big spat was because they couldn’t agree on a color scheme for their secluded love lair.

  22. mig06 says

    I live in Belgium, where same-sex marriage has been legal for 11 years. The world did not come to an end here. People still go about their daily lives just as they did before. Right next door to us, in the Netherlands, the world has not come to an end either. And they’ve legalised same-sex marriage 13 years ago.

  23. laurentweppe says

    I live in Belgium, where same-sex marriage has been legal for 11 years. The world did not come to an end here

    But flemmish separatism is totaly they gays fault
    /sarcasm

  24. says

    If I was ever interviewing Lively, after him spouting off some of his nonsense, I would ask him in a totally deadpan voice “Have you ever considered seeking psychiatric help to deal with your delusional beliefs?”

  25. Scr... Archivist says

    What are the daughter elements when a nuclear family decays? And does it emit radiation in a rainbow?

  26. freehand says

    Hatchetfish: This touches on why I generally hope for rocks from space. If it actually happens, they have to accept that it’s random or blame the vindictive abusive sky daddy.
    .
    In a way, yes.. He’d say that he was being punished by God for being too nice to the gays. You know, the same reason that God keeps sending tornadoes into southern trailer parks.

  27. Crudely Wrott says

    There was once a very happy place. All the people were happy and they got to choose what to do, what to work at, how to play and who to love.

    This bothered some small number of people who really really thought that people should not decide these things for themselves but instead be told by something, or something’s spokesmen, how to decide such things.This small number of people actually thought that they were empowered by something to speak for it but that’s another story. An old one.

    For a very long time this small number of people stood on street corners and in large buildings telling those who might listen that all the things they decided were actually wrong decisions. The small number convinced some people but most of those who listened waved a dismissive hand and said, “Awwww, piss off”.

    The small number of people found this very troubling. After all, they had it on “good” authority that no one could decide wisely for themselves. The small number of people were convinced that “good” decisions could only be made by someone, or something else.

    The small number of people thought long and hard about this and together decided that the only way to convince everyone else that they, the small number of people, were more right about the things that were decided for them by someone of something else, was to pick a group of people that were already held on the margin of acceptability by a small number or people in general and turn that group into a monster with which to frighten every one else into making the same choices as the small number of people..

    The small number of people had pretty good luck for a while, choosing women and black people and immigrants and political opponents to use a threats with which to whip the people into fear and anger and violence against those folks. In each case, though, once the people actually took the time to learn about women and black people and political opponents they didn’t see what the small number of people saw. They didn’t see threats, they didn’t see evil, they didn’t see people that would harm them and stop them from making up their own minds about what to do, what to work at, how to play or who to love.

    This made the small number of people suffer so. Apoplexy, angst, self hatred, fear of anything different. They were sorely tasked. Then they found a new foil, a new group to vilify. They high-fived each other in paroxysms of joy and self aggrandizement. They were full of the word of truth. What they didn’t know, oh, my, what they didn’t know, was that they had picked exactly the wrong group of people to hold up as a threat to every one being able to choose what to do, what to work at, how to play and who to love.

    Their mistake was to choose regular people who do not try to tell other people what to do, what to work at, how to play and who to love. They picked queers.

    Little did the small number of people know that they had chosen to hold up as an example of danger to and destruction of the freedoms that every one already securely owned the one group on the whole planet who are better at keeping these freedoms against constant and forceful attack.

    Not long after, the small number of people became even smaller while the number of people who attained and retained the right to decide what to do, what to work at, how to play and who to love grew larger and larger.

    And so, Grasshopper, this is how to attain power; to have it denied you by some small number of people. And so, Billy Pilgrim, this is how it goes.

    There is still a small number of people — luckily for the rest of us they continue to diminish. If you listen hard on a quiet evening you might still hear a high pitched sound, full of descants of woe, waning as you listen. The wail of the self righteous defenders of superstition and invisible authority, singing their own funeral dirge.

    It is such a lovely sound even while it is so sad. All those small number of people dying by virtue of their own assumed authority, the authority the have the temerity to assume that they take from a higher authority that they cannot agree among themselves about. Wave to them. Tell them you love them. Sing a song to their diminishment. Grieve for their wasted lives.

    Then flip them off and get on with life!

    The happy place is still here. In fact, it never went away. We only thought it did by virtue of being reluctant to call a fool a fool loudly enough.

    The diminishing voice of the small number of people is drowned in the ascendent chords of all the rest of us. Us. How ’bout us, eh?
    _______
    The previous is a true confession of a privileged, white, straight male of the persuasion that everyone gets a fair shake. Everyone.

    Someone want to argue with me?

  28. leonardschneider says

    @ Crudely Wrott (#32):

    Awesome. Fuckin’ high five from Lenny.

    I don’t have an argument, but more of a miscalculation, something not taken into account:

    Despite the small number of peoples’ condemnation of people loving each other — they especially condemned those who loved each other, physically, for pure fun and friendship — they would go through the biological actions associated with love, and reproduce. (Of course, this biological activity could only take place after being approved by a single member of the small number of people, the one who claimed to be in communication with an invisible man in the sky.)

    When the product of the reproductive act made its appearance nine months later, the small number of people were pleased. “We have a method of increasing our numbers!” they exclaimed. “Quick, everyone pair off, boy/girl, boy/girl, and go see the one who talks to the man in the sky! He will declare you ‘married’ and you shall engage in the biological act to reproduce. Remember, though, it is wrong to actually enjoy the act. No matter how much fun you think you’re having, all you’re doing is angering the invisible man in the sky.”

    So many of the small number of people were paired off, quite a few at random, were declared “married,” and began to fuck a whole lot engage in the biological activity. “Our plan shall work!” said the small number of people. “We will stop being a small number of people through biological reproduction; soon we’ll be a large number of people.”

    However, there were problems. First, of the small number of people who were paired off randomly, many found the person they were paired with to be a complete asshole. Among those couples, they stopped fucking completely they didn’t fulfill their biological imperatives. Other couples “forgot” the instructions about not enjoying themselves and, through experimentation, began finding all kinds of novel and exciting ways to have fun, many of which made reproduction a physical impossibility. (They hid the fact they were enjoying themselves from the man in the sky by closing the drapes and turning up the TV really loud.)

    By tiny increments, though, there were more of the small number of people. At least on paper. The problem arose when, as the young began to grow, they interacted with more than just the small number of people. In fact, as adolescence progressed among the young, they began to openly question the beliefs of the small number of people; the phrase “God, dad, you’re such a total dick” could be heard in many homes. The young had made up their own minds about what to do, what to work at, how to play or who to love.

    The small number of people did what they could to prevent this. They opened their own schools, started their own youth groups, removed their televisions (angering the non-fucking males who thought their wives were assholes), and watched the young like goddamn hawks, preventing them from interacting with anyone who wasn’t just like them.

    Alas, the success rate was nominal. Despite their best efforts, the youth still would make up their own minds about what to do, what to work at, how to play or who to love. A few youth did as they were told, but most left home at the age of eighteen, and had as little to do with the small number of people as possible. In fact, the small number of people stayed the same: while the youth who behaved became adults and remained, the elderly would die off, leaving the small number of people with the same small number of people.

    And so it shall be. Even the youth who are raised by a small number of people will still figure out what to do, what to work at, how to play or who to love on their own.

    (The greatest irony: The youths who left the small number of people invariably discovered that the biological act fucking is really fun, and would often become the most enthusiastic participants in the activity.) (Or am I the only one here who’s dated a lapsed Catholic?)

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