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Robison Dreams of Impending Persecution

I’m beginning to think that the constant cries of persecution from the Christian right are not merely absurd and dishonest but they almost reflect wishful thinking. I think there’s a sense in which they may actually want to be persecuted because it will confirm their dystopic fantasies. Televangelist James Robison gives yet another variation on this tired refrain, first quoting this weird statement from his friend Dudley Hall:

When we normalize all behavior under the agenda of freedom of choice, we are preparing for war (James 4:1-6). Unbridled desire inevitably produces quarrels and wars. Mankind will oppress others to gain an advantage. We will use others and prostitute every good thing we have been given. We will work for money, worship ourselves, boast in our achievements, and manipulate all governmental structures for our own advantage. The oppressed will rise up, and there will be war. It is the judgment on a society that begins to define itself by its desires.

Wha? Most of the oppressing has been done by those who think just like Dudley Hall, not only against gay people but against virtually everyone else throughout history as well. Robison then continues with his own thoughts:

To be honest with you as a reader, if we do not have a supernatural spiritual awakening within the church where Christians begin to witness in the power of unconditional love, all manner of evil is going to be spewed out on our nation. Those who really know and love God will become the most persecuted people on the planet. The stage is set for this.

The most persecuted people on the planet! How does anyone take such nonsense seriously?

Comments

  1. subbie says

    You could have warned me about his mentioning unconditional Christian love. Irony meters don’t grow on trees, you know!

  2. Randomfactor says

    They’re doing everything in their power to JUSTIFY persecution.

    Do they REALLY think they’ll always be the majority?

  3. busterggi says

    Of course they want to feel persecuted, it males them feel closer to their imaginary friend. Mind you, that’s feel not actually be.

  4. Richard Smith says

    It’s one of the Fundamentalist’s core mantras…

    “Persecute me! Persecute me!” fap-fap-fap

  5. jnorris says

    You do know Mr Robison that some of those Christians being persecuted are not True Christians ™. I suggest you cleanse the temple of these heretics first so we secularists can persecute only real True Christians ™ like yourself.

  6. Stacy says

    they almost reflect wishful thinking. I think there’s a sense in which they may actually want to be persecuted because it will confirm their dystopic fantasies.

    The dullest life can seem exciting if you pretend you’re part of a cosmic struggle between Good and Evil.

  7. dugglebogey says

    The story of Christianity doesn’t work when Christians are the people with all the power. Especially that little fish they like putting on their cars.

  8. eric says

    The dullest life can seem exciting if you pretend you’re part of a cosmic struggle between Good and Evil.

    Yes exactly. Religious persecution complexes are narcissistic. Imagining someone is out to get them supports a belief that they are doing something really important – important enough that lots of people are paying attention to them. The true horror comes when they realize nobody is out to get them because nobody cares enough about them to expend the effort to ‘get’ them.

  9. D. C. Sessions says

    When we normalize all behavior under the agenda of freedom of choice, we are preparing for war (James 4:1-6).

    So it’s a Good Thing. Got it.

    Unbridled desire inevitably produces … wars.

    Still a Good Thing.

    Mankind will oppress others to gain an advantage.

    The Protestant Ethic.

    We will work for money, … boast in our achievements, and manipulate all governmental structures for our own advantage.

    I’m having a hard time seeing the downside from the right-wing perspective. These are all things that the Right-thinking want our country to promote.

  10. John Pieret says

    There are places in the world where Christians are persecuted. Now all we have to do is figure out how we convince people like Robison to move there to live out their fantasies.

  11. iknklast says

    Jesus told them they would be persecuted for his sake. They believed it. They think it’s important. It’s part of the Christian persona from the beginning to now.

  12. Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach says

    It is actually is wishful thinking. The bible specifically tells them that they will be hated and persecuted for their faith. If they aren’t being persecuted, then they aren’t doing it right. Since they can’t (in their minds) be doing it wrong, they simply manufacture the persecution. Voila, prophecy fulfilled, and one more “proof” that the bible has mystical future predicting properties.

  13. Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach says

    Dang, iknklast beat me to it by 5 mins. Refresh first, then post. I also appear to have a superfluous is in the first sentence. It’s free to a good home, if anyone wants it.

  14. whheydt says

    The first quote had me thinking he was headed for a complaint about televangelists fleecing the flock to line their own pockets…

  15. says

    ” We will work for money,”
    Unless you believe Loverboy, we all work for money. It’s kind of how our economy works.

    “worship ourselves,”
    Well, you already worship a god who conveniently already thinks just like you do about everything.

    ” boast in our achievements,”
    And Christians are different how?

    ” and manipulate all governmental structures for our own advantage”
    You mean like all the anti-abortion laws that keep popping up all over the country? Or the states that keep trying to pass laws that let them teach creationism?

  16. gardengnome says

    Fundies of all stripes have wet dreams about being persecuted – it brings them closer to (their) god.

  17. Michael Heath says

    Ed writes:

    I’m beginning to think that the constant cries of persecution from the Christian right are not merely absurd and dishonest but they almost reflect wishful thinking.

    Similar to how so many Christians fantasize about the Rapture. Sarah Palin took slightly different route, fantasizing about Armageddon.

  18. zippythepinhead says

    “… the constant cries of persecution from the Christian right … almost reflect wishful thinking.”

    OH! YES, YES! Persecute me! I’ve been such a good Christian! Oh, oh, persecute me baby. Oh you persecute me so bad. Oooooo, persecute me there. Oh, and persecute there anytime you want.

  19. howardhershey says

    *You* will work for money. *I* will tell you that you will be persecuted for your innate Christian goodness for a tenth (or more if you’re willing) of your money.

  20. says

    Michael Heath “Similar to how so many Christians fantasize about the Rapture. Sarah Palin took slightly different route, fantasizing about Armageddon.”
    And? Lots of women fantasize about Armageddon. Particularly the Ben Affleck part. I mean, the wife takes the DVD in with her when she takes a bath, and there isn’t even a TV in there. How crazy is that?

  21. leonardschneider says

    @ dugglebogey (#8):

    I’m always happy to see those little fish on cars. Just as nature will use bright colors on reptiles to warn, “I’m poisonous,” the Jesus Fish helps warn other drivers, “I drive like shit.” This is an observation made from years of 1400 mile weeks driving in the Bay Area. BMWs, H2 Hummers, and any car with a Jesus Fish: give ‘em a wide berth, and keep your eyes peeled for when they inevitably do something dumb.

    Anyway….

    “Unbridled desire inevitably produces quarrels and wars.”
    No, unbridled desire produces people who are flushed and sweaty. A bit of chafing or rug-burn are usually the highest risks. The quarrels are usually along the line of, “I told you not to stick it up there, I don’t like it.” “I swear it was an accident! C’mon, it’s dark in here!”
    And unbridled desire leads to wars? I could see repressed desire leading to war; for all I know, the Viet Nam conflict was originally based on a really bad hand job. The Soviet involvement in Afghanistan? “Comrade, she say she not use teeth! She use teeth! You can see mark!”

    “We will work for money, worship ourselves, boast in our achievements, and manipulate all governmental structures for our own advantage.”
    Hey Lumpy, you just summed up every televangelist on the planet. It’s nice to see you engaging in introspection, but what’s your point? You didn’t say anything we didn’t already know.

    “Those who really know and love God will become the most persecuted people on the planet.”
    Uh huh. You want persecution as a Christian? Move to fuckin’ Burma, then you’re allowed to bitch. If you’re still on this continent, shut the fuck up.

    Oooh, and you bring up ‘unconditional love.’ It’s an old saw, but bears repeating: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
    No, I think your “Christian love” is highly conditional. Anyone who doesn’t think just like you do is obviously bound for hell. (I’ve been to Stockton, CA so hell doesn’t scare me a bit anyway.)

    You want to feel so persecuted (without, as I said already, moving to Burma)? I’ve got an idea. We’ll get a shitload of people together, have them dress up in Halloween “devil” costumes complete with the little plastic pitchforks, and we can chase you around a park for an hour or so. If it’ll help, the costumed pursuers can yell threatening things during the chase: “Yer goin’ ta hell!” “Jesus was a wino!” “Cute ass, baby!” “Fnord!” “Gabba gabba hey!”
    That way we all get some good exercise, and you can honestly claim to have been pursued by Satan’s Minions. (For a precise distance of 4.26 miles, according to Minion Becky’s pedometer. Remember, the devil is in the details.)

  22. says

    They venerate persecution and suffering. Look at what’s been coming out about Mother Theresa, someone that even many fundy Protestants think well of. She kept people in poverty and pain, despite having the resources to help them. Why? Because suffering is noble.

    Heck, the main symbol of Christianity, the one thing that all of them have in common, is a torture device. They worship torture. Too bad Jesus wasn’t done in with a ball-gag and nipple clips.

  23. Pierce R. Butler says

    IIRC, sometime during the Reagan era, or maybe even a bit before, Robison grabbed a bit of media attention by claiming that, since wars and rumors of same were necessary preconditions for the return of JC, anyone doing anything to promote world peace was ipso facto* working for the devil &/or antichrist.

    *not a bit verbatim, thanks for asking.

  24. eric says

    We need to Santorum this subject. Somebody needs to come up with some unconventional sexual act and call it “Christian persecution,” so that when fundies look for examples on the internet…

  25. Ichthyic says

    Somebody needs to come up with some unconventional sexual act and call it “Christian persecution,”

    Ever seen “Lair of the White Worm”?

  26. Robert B. says

    At least he concedes that Christians are not now the most persecuted people on the planet, which makes him more in touch with reality than some.

  27. David C Brayton says

    Really like this quote: “The dullest life can seem exciting if you pretend you’re part of a cosmic struggle between Good and Evil.”

    And I agree with Ed’s point. I’ve meet lots of people that seem to wish for victimization. I’ve known folks with self protection fetishes that really want to be attacked in order to use their gun, karate, krav manga, knife or whatever.

    There is even a TV show about folks that are preparing for doomsday. They are almost giddy in anticipation of disaster so they can say “told ya so.”

  28. dingojack says

    leonard – fish-cars are more dangerous because, as it turns out, Jesus is a really shitty co-pilot*.
    ;) Dingo
    ——-
    * ‘iron chariots’ flummox both him and his dad

  29. anubisprime says

    If they claim they are persecuted as often as possible ..one day it might happen and nearer to their god be they!

    These are the same brainiacs that would regard a civil war in the US as righteous, dreams of theocracy never far from their minds …especially if the Antichrist was besieged in the White House, it would seem a second strand of their lunacy is to convince the brain dead with the guns to go as to war and encourage their particular paranoid idiocy even more so then the likes of Alex Jones who is just a kook that sings the same song as the NRA minions, but would be the first marginalized, or used as a target, when he has served what purpose they think he does.

  30. Akira MacKenzie says

    The cries of “oppression” are popular among the Christian Right because, if they can get them loud and popular enough, they can can make their “Red Dawn/Turner Diaries” wet-dreams a reality.

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