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Feb 12 2014

Wingnut on Wingnut Crime: Creech vs Robertson

In the wake of the Ken Ham – Bill Nye debate, Pat Robertson came out and said that young earth creationism is a “joke” and criticized Ham for it. Ham was unhappy about it, of course. But Rev. Mark Creech of the Christian Action League is really upset and says that Robertson committed blasphemy over it.

One can appreciate Robertson’s acknowledgement of God’s sovereignty in the earth’s beginnings. But as I once contended in an interview with Seed Magazine, “Clergy…those that have given away a portion of the truth in order to defend the rest of it – are no real friends to true religion or the Bible.” [4] Robertson’s remarks represent a concession to evolution that has profound negative ramifications for sound theology.

First, the concession indicts the goodness of God. Modern science asserts that the geological ages are predicated on the fossil record, and these fossils speak to us of suffering and death millions of years before Adam and Eve – before the creation of man. That’s a direction contradiction of the Bible’s teaching that pain, anguish; travail, death and the dysfunctions of nature are a direct result of divine judgment because of man’s sin. If there was a primeval prevalence of these things before the fall of man, then that would leave only God himself responsible for such menace and mayhem. The very notion a God of love and order would work arbitrarily and brutally as suggested in evolution’s old earth hypothesis – a way so contrary to his own nature – carries with it an implication blasphemy.

Second, the concession assails the authority of the Word of God. The Scriptures claim to be “God breathed,” (2 Timothy 3:16), meaning they are without error and infallible. The biblical record is of divine authority and instructs concerning man’s origins, his fall into sin, his need for redemption, and the end of all things. Ultimately, we all must give an account of our lives based on the way we have ordered them in accordance with this revelation.

Welcome to the ranks of blasphemers, Pat. But you still suck.

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  1. 1
    eric

    It is nice to see the YECs back at the forefront of the creationism movement. It’ll make it that much easier to win court cases.

  2. 2
    rabbitscribe

    … the concession indicts the goodness of God. Modern science asserts that the geological ages are predicated on the fossil record, and these fossils speak to us of suffering and death millions of years before Adam and Eve – before the creation of man. That’s a direction contradiction of the Bible’s teaching that pain, anguish; travail, death and the dysfunctions of nature are a direct result of divine judgment because of man’s sin.

    But the contention that bunny rabbits get eaten alive because of what two people did millennia ago in no way indicts the goodness of God. Got it.

  3. 3
    Randomfactor

    blasphemy.

    Fortunately, a victimless crime.

  4. 4
    d.c.wilson

    Should we be worried that senility is causing Crazy Uncle Pat to start making sense?

  5. 5
    busterggi

    Great, now that we’ve got Pat counted as one of us we blasphemers are going to get a horrible reputation.

  6. 6
    richardelguru

    “indicts the goodness of God” and convicts it! I eagerly await the sentencing hearing.

  7. 7
    bbgunn

    First, the concession indicts the goodness of God.

    Sounds like a new series for the Law and Order franchise: L & O: God D@mned Blasphemy Unit.

  8. 8
    Synfandel

    In the wake of the Ken Ham – Bill Nye debate, Pat Robertson came out…

    Good for him. That takes courage.

  9. 9
    Crimson Clupeidae

    Synfandel wins the prize for best use of a quotemine, 2014. Well played!

  10. 10
    grumpyoldfart

    All religious leaders know they have to keep the “us against them” mentality going because that’s what encourages the mugs in the pews to throw money at the preacher as he valiantly battles against the forces of evil.

    Ken Ham is currently experiencing a cash flow problem so he probably gave Robertson a call and asked for assistance. “Tell everybody I’m an idiot and then my followers will close ranks around me and I might be able to score a few extra bucks off the silly buggers. I’ll do the same for you Pat, if you ever need it.”

  11. 11
    dingojack

    bbgunn – “In New York the non-crime of blasphemy is handled by an elite unit called the Goddamned Blasphemy Unit. These are their stories…” [Dung Dung]…
    :) Dingo

  12. 12
    bbgunn

    dingojack at 11:

    These are their stories…” [Dung Dung]…

    Heard something similar in my head as I typed that: “These are their stories myths…” (Dumb Dumb)

  13. 13
    Mr Ed

    “Clergy…those that have given away a portion of the truth in order to defend the rest of it – are no real friends to true religion or the Bible.”

    So we’re good with slavery, genocide and selling our daughters to their rapists. God is great

  14. 14
    Strewth

    I thought it was the demanding war crimes and genocide that indicted the character’s supposed loving nature. Shows me, eh?

  15. 15
    lewisthomason

    Funny that when theology and the real world collide that it is never theology that is out of step.

  16. 16
    cptdoom

    I was raised Catholic and for all the criticisms I could make of the religion, creationism, thankfully, is not one of them. Perhaps Catholicism is more New Testament focused than all the Christian heresies out there (and the Pope called Robertson a blasphemer way before Creech did, like decades ago), but we were not only taught evolution in high school, we were taught it was completely compatible with our religion.

  17. 17
    dingojack

    Forget Creech from the Christian Action League, what does Screech from Saved by the Bell think?
    Inquiring mind need to know….
    Dingo

  18. 18
    Donovan

    I think the real problem with Darwin that these creationists have is not that it makes Jesus superfluous, but that the suffering of today is not the result of the sins of an ancient woman but the result of sins we commit today. The last thing a creationist wants is to be held accountable for the well being of others.

  19. 19
    bybelknap

    Is that sophisticated theology Creech is talking?

  20. 20
    felidae

    “The very notion a God of love and order would work arbitrarily and brutally–”

    Obviously, this asshole hasn’t read the Old Testament where God acts arbitrarily and brutally time after time

  21. 21
    Kamaka

    So we’re good with slavery, genocide and selling our daughters to their rapists.

    Hey, instructions of how to properly sell your daughter into sexual slavery is my favorite bible teaching. That god says I can throw rocks at the neighbors when they disturb my Saturday is also very, very cool.

  22. 22
    Kamaka

    jesus on a pogo stick, I followed the link. the end times are indeed nigh.

    for thinking, anyway.

  23. 23
    peterh

    “Blasphemy. Fortunately, a victimless crime.”

    In certain cultures that crime provides its own victim.

  24. 24
    magistramarla

    cptdoom @16
    Yeah, Dear Hubby and I attended a Jesuit University (even though we weren’t Catholic). Those Jebbies taught us to question everything, especially authority. The hubby earned his first two science degrees there in Chemistry and Biology, and he was positively steeped in the study of evolution.

  25. 25
    abusedbypenguins

    Pat Robertson vs. Ken Ham; caged death match.

  26. 26
    dingojack

    abusedbypenguins –

    Ken ‘Curse of’ HAM vs. Pat ‘Peppermint Patty’ ROBERTSON !!.
    THUNDERDOME!!!
    There can only be one† !!!
    [Tickets still available*, Children under 10 get in FREE!].

    :) Dingo
    ———-
    † god, obviously
    * Must be over 18 to enter, certain conditions, fees and charges apply. Your mileage may vary.

  27. 27
    kevinalexander

    It’s the middle of the night here and I misread the title of the post as ‘Cheech vs Robertson’ and I thought ‘What do they have to argue about?
    http://www.hightimes.com/read/holy-smoke-pat-robertson-endorses-pot-legalization

  28. 28
    caseloweraz

    Shorter Mark Creech: Shame on you, Pat Robertson! You’ve taken away all the pain and grief and loss, all the anguish and travail and woe, all the tribulation, all the pangs and [now where's that online thesaurus when I need it] that our loving god imposed on us because of what some guy named Adam did.

  29. 29
    Thumper: Who Presents Boxes Which Are Not Opened

    Modern science asserts that the geological ages are predicated on the fossil record, and these fossils speak to us of suffering and death millions of years before Adam and Eve – before the creation of man. That’s a direction contradiction of the Bible’s teaching that pain, anguish; travail, death and the dysfunctions of nature are a direct result of divine judgment because of man’s sin. If there was a primeval prevalence of these things before the fall of man, then that would leave only God himself responsible for such menace and mayhem.

    Creach seems to believe that since God introduced “pain, anguish; travail, death and the dysfunctions of nature” after man sinned, that means he is somehow not responsible for it. By the same logic, since we only introduced Myxomatosis after rabbits annoyed some farmers, the rabbits are to blame for it’s effects, and not us.

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