Russian Bigots as Irrational as American Bigots


The head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kiril, is every bit as irrational and absurd when trying to make a logical case against same-sex marriage. He appeared before the upper house of the Russian legislature recently and offered the usual terrible arguments.

Speaking at the Federation Council, upper house of the Russian parliament on Tuesday, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill described the legalization of same-sex marriages as a danger threatening the Russian society. He said possible unwelcome changes in marriage laws were connected with “an international campaign” discussing homosexual relations…

After the discussion at the Federation Council, religious leaders and senators adopted a joint statement “to all sober-minded people of Russia and other countries.” “Preservation of marriage as a union between a man and a woman based on love and mutual understanding and birth of beloved children are a precondition for survival of humankind,” the statement read.

The Church could not tolerate same-sex marriages, because this contradicted the nature of Christianity, Nezavisimaya Gazeta quoted the Patriarch as saying. The religious leader believes that the issue of allowing same-sex marriages is, in fact, not religious, but moral. The difference between these approaches defines the Russian Orthodox Church’s attitude to same-sex marriages. The Patriarchate expresses confidence that prohibition of same-sex marriages can be the task of a secular state, as it is dictated by morals as such.

Yes, people having babies is a precondition for the survival of the species. But what the hell does that have to do with allowing gay people to get married? Do they think that if we allow same-sex marriage, it will be so incredibly alluring that everyone will suddenly stop being straight and stop having babies? How does allowing a small percentage of the people to marry someone of the same gender do anything at all to change the reality for the overwhelming majority of straight people? It’s just such an idiotic argument.

Comments

  1. says

    It’s just such an idiotic argument.

    *Sigh*. Let me lay it out for you. Again. And I won’t even use Clobber Passages* from God’s Holy Word the The Holy Bible this time.

    1. Marriage is Good.
    2. Gay is Bad.
    3. Therefore, gays can’t get married.

    The logic is unrefutable.

     
    * “Clobber Passages” was also the name of a character in the Ayn Rand novel, Atlus Scratched. He was a minor character, and as such only got a forty page speech expousing her philosophy. True story.

  2. birgerjohansson says

    Patriarch Kiril knows that Teh Gay spreads like a virus…

    But he is wrong abour the survival of humankind. Gay people hatch from inside the chest cavity. And have acid for blood. They will survive fine without marriage.

  3. birgerjohansson says

    Modusoperandi,
    Is there not a politician named Rond “Bumscratch” Pool advocating the philosophy of Atlus?

  4. says

    The Africa-Russia comparison is salient; see this from Jeff Sharlet:

    I’ve reported firsthand on this from Uganda, Russia, Kenya, and the U.S. I keep coming across the same crooked statistics, the same obsession with Soros money, the same conflation of homosexuality with pedophilia. It’s not a conspiracy. I’ll say it again: It’s not a conspiracy. It’s worse. It’s a movement, a monstrous one.

    Jeff has just filed a piece on the situation in Russia for GQ.

  5. Trebuchet says

    That’s the same Kiril, I think, who had a hyper-expensive watch photoshopped out of a picture but the artist forgot about its reflection.

  6. Alverant says

    The Church could not tolerate same-sex marriages, because this contradicted the nature of Christianity

    No one said you had to. You just can’t force your intolerance on other people and you especially shouldn’t use the law enforce your opinions.

  7. steve84 says

    Stupid Russians have this obsession that the country isn’t producing enough babies. It’s just a fantasy that allows them to distract themselves from the real issue: their astronomical mortality rate.

    Russians don’t have less babies than compare countries. But people have very low life expectancies. A lot of it has to do with alcohol abuse and the resultant health issues. The men especially are literally drinking themselves to death.

  8. zenlike says

    Trebuchet, it’s worse than that

    1/ he wore an expensive watch which he technically couldn’t afford according to his official income;
    2/ after getting bad press, he had it photo-shopped out;
    3/ he accused opponents about lying about his watch, this all with a straight face;
    4/ then some people saw that the reflection was still there, clearly pointing out he was lying through his teeth.

    Kiril, another theocratic liar for Jebus. And he is speaking about ‘morals’. Fuck you Kiril, evil scumbag.

  9. markr1957 says

    Ah, but you forget that the gay virus is an unintended and unexpected cure for the god virus. Once people realize that not persecuting gays doesn’t hurt society in the slightest they start to recognize the ludicrous lies in religion for what they are.

  10. anubisprime says

    “The Patriarchate expresses confidence that prohibition of same-sex marriages can be the task of a secular state, as it is dictated by morals as such.”

    So the ban on same sex marriage will have ‘nothing yo do with religion, but all the fault of the secular state which has nothing to do with the church so stop complaining to us!…’

    I think that is called getting your way without being responsible for the condemnation coming from around the more enlightened in the world.

    that is just sleazy…

    Trebuchet @ 5

    That’s the same Kiril, I think, who had a hyper-expensive watch photoshopped out of a picture but the artist forgot about its reflection.

    And the same deluded shrieking sexually challenged doofus that pushed for ‘Pussy Riot’ to be severely dealt with by the secular state to teach them a lesson for their desecration and offence they perpetrated against church ritual and the disrespect against the faithful.

    Then when Putin did what the Patriarch demanded and threw the girls into hell…(Fuckin’ Siberia for fuck sake’)…
    that got a deluge of negative feedback from the rest of civilization for the severity of the response from the church and Putin, (who apparently needs Kiril for control purposes), the church started bleating it was not the Russian Orthodox church but the secular state that jailed the girls…then had the audacity to pretend they were ‘against’ the sentence to start with! …gotta love that distancing when their hypocritical stench is revealed to the world where the image and the smell cannot be as easily controlled or sanitized as it is in Mother Russia.

    So this bunch of tossers have form with pretending the punishment is from the state and not from their bigoted chaos of a trash ideology…which is only to be expected considering the root delusion of the Russian version in nonsense is the RCC.

    But at least their position displays all the integrity and lurve’ that only the most fatuous of fundy xtians display year in and year out, which pretty much makes it universal!

  11. tsig says

    Sorry M. O. but I think you mean Atlas Pooped which is known for being a 250 page monologue by John Galts’ turd as it slowly swirls down the porcelain bowl contemplating the Anus and concluding that all Arseholes are equal giving rise to the famous A = A.

  12. Sastra says

    anubisprime #11 wrote:

    So this bunch of tossers have form with pretending the punishment is from the state and not from their bigoted chaos of a trash ideology…which is only to be expected considering the root delusion of the Russian version in nonsense is the RCC.

    As you say. This is the strategy many Catholics pursue today concerning the sad history of religious oppression in Europe. “It wasn’t the Church which condemned those heretics — it was the State. Look who signed the order!”

  13. anubisprime says

    Absolutely Shastra..

    The ‘Burning times’ was a class example of them dodging the accusation of pompous murderous dumbfuckery.

    A lot of church land was apparently accrued during this time in Europe…go figure!

    They sussed out pretty early on that if the nonsense came back to bite their scrawny ass it would be best to have a cover story.

    They instructed the secular authority on who was who and tacitly stated who they disapproved of, one can be fairly confident that failure to please the magisterium would quite easily have boomeranged and a secular official would no doubt have found himself cobbled up to a pole in the town square doing the hot foot boogie!

  14. says

    birgerjohansson “Modusoperandi, Is there not a politician named Rond “Bumscratch” Pool advocating the philosophy of Atlus?”
    Now you’re just being ridiculous. It’s Roan Powell, named after a character from The Mountainhead.

    tsig “Sorry M. O. but I think you mean Atlas Pooped which is known for being a 250 page monologue by John Galts’ turd as it slowly swirls down the porcelain bowl contemplating the Anus and concluding that all Arseholes are equal giving rise to the famous A = A.”
    Ick.

  15. says

    “Russians don’t have less babies than compare countries. But people have very low life expectancies. A lot of it has to do with alcohol abuse and the resultant health issues. The men especially are literally drinking themselves to death.”

    So, Reagan would have gotten more bang for his buck if SDI had stood for “Strategic Drunkenness Initiative?

  16. says

    Hatchetfish “democommie @17: Our bucks, you mean?”
    “Mister President, we can’t allow a shooting-people-with-orbital-lasers-while-they’re-in-flagrante gap!” ~ Gen. ‘Buck’ Turgidson

  17. Nick Gotts says

    Stupid Russians have this obsession that the country isn’t producing enough babies. It’s just a fantasy that allows them to distract themselves from the real issue: their astronomical mortality rate.

    Russians don’t have less babies than compare countries. – steve84@7

    Russia’s birth rate and fertility rate (expected number of children per woman) are both low, but not exceptionally so, as you say. But the high death rate is not, I think, what will make the longer-term difference in population trend: rather, its that many countries with low birth and fertility rates are highly attractive to immigrants. Russia isn’t.

  18. anubisprime says

    kevinalexander @ 21

    I think it faintly amusing and on the other hand very encouraging that at the bottom of the pile of reactionary pimped and primed bullshite the religious use everywhere, you see a peak at their piss soaked undergarments…they are terrified of “Militant atheism”

    I think they should be…it is playing their funeral march…it is a jaunty tune!

  19. says

    @18:

    Well, prolly more YOUR bucks. I was making about $8-10K per annum during much of that period. But, yeah, not Mr. Reagan’s money, in any case.

  20. Don Quijote says

    If YouTube is anything to go by, the Russian population is being decimated by road traffic accidents.

  21. eric says

    The Church could not tolerate same-sex marriages, because this contradicted the nature of Christianity, Nezavisimaya Gazeta quoted the Patriarch as saying. The religious leader believes that the issue of allowing same-sex marriages is, in fact, not religious, but moral.

    It contradicts Christianity, and that makes it not religious. Got it.

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