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Feb 01 2014

More Voter Fraud Lies

One of the leaders of a black conservative group is lying about voter fraud yet again and OneNewsNow, the American Family Association’s “news” outlet, is spreading that lie far and wide. In an article about a proposed update to the Voting Rights Act, you find this little gem:

Bob Parks, who operates the website Black & Right, is a member of the national advisory council for Project 21.

“Having [a] federal government – especially [one] like this one that has an attorney general who picks and chooses which crimes and which offenses that he wishes to investigate, [and] which laws that they will simply ignore – it’s ripe for corruption,” he argues.

According to Parks, upwards of 19 states have counties with more than 100-percent voter registration. “You have situations … I believe it was in the Allen West race in Florida where the voting was 141-percent,” he recalls. “You can’t tell me there’s not a voter fraud problem.”

Sure I could. You’re too deluded to accept it, but it’s true. And you’re lying about the Allen West race. How do I know that? Because even True the Vote, a group that exists solely to promote the myth of rampant voter fraud, has debunked that lie:

According to official election records, 123,301 residents hit the polls in 2012. In St. Lucie County, ballots were at least two pages or “cards.” Policy dictates that each card be counted separately, leading to a total of 247,383 “votes”, aka cards, cast. Divide the number by half, then exhale.

Voter turnout in Allen West’s district was 69.5%, not 141%. In fact, that page from True the Vote debunks a lot of other lies along those same lines about Obama allegedly getting more votes than there were eligible voters in some districts. They were all false.

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  1. 1
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Bob Parks, who operates the website Black & Right

    Yeesh, that’s a bit subtle ain’t it? Wonder what he *really *thinks.

    Cough, *racist* cough.

    (I could be wrong, hope I am actually but think I’m prob’ly not.)

  2. 2
    dhall

    Hi there; as a newby, I’m seriously happy that I discovered this site and these blogs, and I have to give you a ton of credit. I don’t know if I could read the rancid garbage that you do and both keep my sanity and report on it without sounding rabid after awhile. I have enough trouble reading students’ papers sometimes. Thank you.

  3. 3
    Modusoperandi

    If the Democrat party is not cheating, then how come Republicans sometimes lose elections, hmmm? Answer me that!

  4. 4
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    One of the leaders of a black conservative group is ..

    D’oh! Okay. Well I guess I did say I hoped I was wrong – seems I sorta am. Although … dunno ’nuff yet.

    Project 21

    Isn’t he afraid that will be confused by his audience with the dreaded UN Agenda 21 thingummywhatsit?

  5. 5
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @3. Modusoperandi : They choose really lousy candidates, espouse hateful stupid policies and campaign kinda badly?

  6. 6
    Modusoperandi

    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! “@3. Modusoperandi : They choose really lousy candidates, espouse hateful stupid policies and campaign kinda badly?”
    The terms you’re looking for are “Patriots”, “Promote Freedom and Liberty” and “are smeared and maligned by the Liberal Media”.

  7. 7
    Michael Heath

    Ed to Bob Parks and OneNewsNow:

    . . . you’re lying about the Allen West race. How do I know that? Because even True the Vote, a group that exists solely to promote the myth of rampant voter fraud, has debunked that lie . . .

    I find this type of rebuttal mostly useless. If True the Vote is not credible, then they’re also not credible when we debunk any false assertion. We don’t help our argument by pointing to illegitimate sources who agree with our conclusions, any audience who’d consider such an argument are not thinking critically.

    This reminds me of some science supporters buttressing their arguments towards denialists by pointing to Richard Muller’s concession regarding the state of climate scientists understand. The same is true there, Mr. Muller is neither credible nor trustworthy, just because he now takes a position we hold doesn’t necessarily make him credible or trustworthy. In Muller’s case he’s continued to lie about the state of climate science so in his case we know we still can’t trust him on any claims.

    In both cases there is some utility illustrating the distance from truth some dishonest groups are from what is objectively true. For example, most YECS are no longer geocentrists and many AGW denialists somewhat concede the change in surface air temp (while ignoring the change in ocean temp. and all other trends that point to the current impact of global warming). We can use such illustrations to better understand the distance between truth and denialist groups, but when a particular denialist group concedes the truth on one item, it doesn’t buttress our case on what is true if we use them in our rebuttal on what is true and not true.

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    bolan

    Not only is there a problem in citing an unreliable source, as Michael points out, but the specific allegation that they, True the Vote, debunked, voter fraud through overvoting, is not the same thing as the allegation by Bob Parks, and, by reference, OneNewsNow and AFA, make, which is over-registration. To debunk the claim under question should require comparing the number of voter registrations to the population of adults of age 18 and up, not comparing the number of vote cards to the number of registrants.

  9. 9
    D. C. Sessions

    If the Democrat party is not cheating, then how come Republicans sometimes lose elections, hmmm? Answer me that!

    Gerrymandering. For instance, they arranged for all of the Democrats in Texas to be in one district, which led to the Republican candidate in that district getting only 47% of the vote.

  10. 10
    samgardner

    @Michael Heath, I disagree with your assertion that the rebuttal citing True the Vote is useless. True the Vote isn’t a credible source because ordinarily they would be looking for ways to promote the idea of fraudulent voting. They’re motivated towards stretching the truth towards that myth; when they have rejected an opportunity to do so it’s pretty reasonable to think they feel pretty strongly that such a claim would only make them look worse. That is, the claim is so faulty they’d do more damage to their reputation than it would be worth in heightening the illusion of massive fraud.

  11. 11
    Michael Heath

    samgardner,

    I not only understand your point perfectly, my criticism of using them as a supporting citation was made in light of that argument. That is after-all the obvious “common sense” approach to logic. However common sense is not logical and common sense does not equal rationality. This should be obvious to skeptics.

    We know that True the Vote is dishonest. You assume you know their motivation, “it’s pretty reasonable to think they feel pretty strongly that such a claim would only make them look worse.” Well no, it’s not “pretty reasonable” to think that, sure it’s possible but other motivations could very well be at play.

    More importantly, we know that True the Vote hasn’t demonstrated any capability or desire to distinguish fact from fiction. Therefore their credibility on any factual assertions are useless when it comes to building our own case. Scientists don’t go looking for known frauds who concede a finding on an issue they typically reject to build their case, and that’s for obvious reasons as well – those frauds’ conclusions are useless when it comes to understanding what is objectively true.

  12. 12
    scienceavenger

    @6 You forgot “Real Americans”

  13. 13
    dingojack

    MH – “We know that True the Vote is dishonest. You assume you know their motivation, “it’s pretty reasonable to think they feel pretty strongly that such a claim would only make them look worse.” Well no, it’s not “pretty reasonable” to think that, sure it’s possible but other motivations could very well be at play”

    It’s not ‘pretty reasonable’ to think that you’re a human being, sure it’s possible but you could be, in reality, a unicorn. @@

    Unless you have specific evidence to the contrary, an ‘argument against interest’ holds weight, even from a largely dishonest source.

    Dingo

  14. 14
    Modusoperandi

    scienceavenger “@6 You forgot ‘Real Americans’”
    I never forget Real Americans.

  15. 15
    had3

    247,383/2 = 123,691.5 > 123,301. I assume the inconsistency is from absentee ballots?

  16. 16
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @6. Modusoperandi

    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! “@3. Modusoperandi : They choose really lousy candidates, espouse hateful stupid policies and campaign kinda badly?”
    The terms you’re looking for are “Patriots”, “Promote Freedom and Liberty” and “are smeared and maligned by the Liberal Media”.

    Promoting freedom and liberty .. like they do for women to control their own dangnabbed bodies and same sex couples to marry and the poor to, well, starve and suffer? Yeah, ’bout that, not-so-good really

    Smeared and maligned by the liberal media – well compared to Fox and the Murdoch press that’s liker being savaged by a cabbage.

    Patriots, maybe but methinks misguided ones.

  17. 17
    W. Kevin Vicklund

    247,383/2 = 123,691.5 > 123,301. I assume the inconsistency is from absentee ballots?

    Actually, that’s probably spoilage*; when a person notices they made a mistake on their ballot, they can request a new one, but the old one is still accounted for. There are 781 more cards than if everyone who voted filled out exactly two cards. That’s about a 0.6% spoilage rate per person, which is pretty typical.

    *There are other forms of spoilage that are more commonly discussed, I am only addressing this type

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