Vallely Says He’d Lead Military Coup


With more and more ultra-right wingers calling for a military coup to remove President Obama from power, retired Major Gen. Paul Vallely told a Tea Party group that he would gladly lead the effort if he had enough troops. Vallely is a Fox News analyst and the Worldnetdaily’s go-to military analyst.

Paul Vallely, a retired major general and senior military analyst for the conservative news channel, told the Surprise, Arizona, Tea Party Patriots during a Dec. 3 speech that other retired military personnel and veterans groups had contacted him about the possibility.

“I had a call this afternoon from Idaho, the gentleman said, ‘If I give you 250,000 Marines to go to Washington, will you lead them?’” Vallely said as the group laughed and gasped. “I said, ‘Yes, I will, I’ll surround the White House and I’ll surround the Capitol building, but it’s going to take physical presence to do things.”

Vallely, who has suggested a variety of extra-constitutional remedies to remove President Barack Obama from office, said extraordinary means were necessary to achieve the legislative results he wanted.

“Writing letters to these senators and congressmen, I am so frustrated because nothing happens,” Vallely said. “I’m not inciting a revolution, but we’ve got to get more physical and stand up and protest…

The retired general has suggested that a new George Washington could be drawn from the ranks of retired military personnel to lead an insurrection because his aims could not be achieved even through this year’s congressional midterm elections.

“I don’t want to be criticized for starting a revolution, but I’d certainly head it if we had to,” Vallely said as the crowd applauded. “We all love a good fight if it’s worth it, right?”

I certainly hope he gets a visit from the Secret Service, along with Erik Rush and everyone else who has called for a military coup. And don’t you love the fact that people who claim to revere the Constitution are calling for the destruction of civilian rule?

Comments

  1. Randomfactor says

    A coup was proposed against FDR…but the guy they chose to lead it actually had integrity and turned them in.

    This guy certainly doesn’t meet that criterion.

  2. Robert B. says

    Holy shit, the Army must be pissed. I’m not exactly the military’s biggest fan, but talking about overthrowing the US government is not a thing they do, or would want to see a (former) member do. I suspect a lot of veterans and soldiers would see this as dishonoring the service. (Actual veterans and soldiers feel free to correct me, of course.)

  3. Chiroptera says

    Vallely, who has suggested a variety of extra-constitutional remedies to remove President Barack Obama from office, said extraordinary means were necessary to achieve the legislative results he wanted.

    “Writing letters to these senators and congressmen, I am so frustrated because nothing happens,” Vallely said. “I’m not inciting a revolution, but we’ve got to get more physical and stand up and protest…

    Huh. So instead of entertaining the idea that maybe most citizens don’t like their ideas, and maybe that proposals are just bad ideas on their own merits, instead of doing the hard work of fixing their proposals to try to achieve a suitable compromise, instead of doing the heavy lifting of trying to convince the the majority of the merits of your position…

    …instead your solution is a military coup? Good god, I will be the first to admit that democracy in the US is severly disfunctional, but even I wouldn’t call for a military coup to fix it, even if I thought the military would be on my side!

    And don’t you love the fact that people who claim to revere the Constitution are calling for the destruction of civilian rule?

    It’s their mindset. I’ve said this for a long, long time:

    They are on the side of Good. The other side supports Evil. Good has the right, even the duty, to do whatever it takes to eliminate Evil.

    Rules don’t exist for fairness, rules don’t exist to facilliate the reasoned examination of the issues, rules don’t exist to help achieve concensus. Rules exist for the sole purpose of keeping Evil in check and making sure the Good Triumphs.

    If the rules as they are currently written help the side of Good, then they must be obeyed and ruthlessly applied and all opposition must be squased. On the other side, if the rules prevent the side of Good from success, the rules must be changes, rewritten, and, if necessary, subverted.

    We all agree that the Constitution is a means to an end, but we disagree on the ends. Those of us on the side of right, the Constitution is meant to, among other things, facilliate fairness, concensus, and policies based on reason. The forces of darkness, on the other hand, the Constitution is meant to keep their side in charge of things. If it’s not working that way, then either the Constitution is flawed or — more likely seeing how the Founding Fathers were divinely inspired by Lord Jesus himself — being subverted by our side. Therefore, it is not inconsistent with their reverence for the Constitution as they see it to advocate the extra-Constitutional measure to remove the people they blame for subverting it.

  4. says

    Vallely’s bio includes that he retired after about 32 years in the US Army holding the rank of Major General and serving as Deputy Chief, Pacific Command.

    There’s something a little odd about that bio. One guess; he fucked with his troops until somebody ratted him out for doing something that could only be papered over if he left the job .Authoritarian assholes like Vallely NEVER cede authority without being forced to do so.

  5. says

    Here is what I, a non-american, don’t get. You have an entire holiday that celebrates illegal revolution against a legitimate government, an amendment that is dedicated to being able to ‘deterring tyrannical government’, have had a rather large civil war, and an ongoing history of overthrowing other legitimate governments (for good reasons or less-then-moral reasons). How is it a surprise when people want it to happen again as a form of change? Live by the sword and all that…

    I certainly don’t want to see the whackaloons get up in arms and see people killed, but why-oh-why is this anything but business as usual for your country? Might makes right has been the constant mantra. Thankfully for the most part that same ‘right’ has roughly aligned with moral and social values, but there is zero guarantee of that in the future.

  6. John Pieret says

    “I’m not inciting a revolution, but we’ve got to get more physical and stand up and protest…

    The retired general has suggested that a new George Washington could be drawn from the ranks of retired military personnel to lead an insurrection because his aims could not be achieved even through this year’s congressional midterm elections.

    Ummm …

    in·sur·rec·tion: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

    Synonyms: insurgence, insurgency, rebellion, mutiny, outbreak, revolt, revolution, rising, uprising

    Once again, words have no real meaning to wingnuts.

  7. John Pieret says

    otocump:

    How is it a surprise when people want it to happen again as a form of change?

    Oh, it doesn’t surprise us, it is the hypocrisy of it that amuses us (plus a little worry that this kind of rhetoric might lead to domestic terrorism). We don’t expect guys like Vallely to do anything about it. It’s a bit of political theater chest thumping to give the rubes some frisson.

  8. eric says

    Ed:

    I certainly hope he gets a visit from the Secret Service, along with Erik Rush and everyone else who has called for a military coup.

    First they probably do some background research to determine whethe the speaker is a blowhard or threat. Then they only visit the threats. No visit indicates to me that, in the opinion of people whose job it is to evaluate threats against the presidency, Vallely and Rush are blowhards.

    otocump:

    I certainly don’t want to see the whackaloons get up in arms and see people killed, but why-oh-why is this anything but business as usual for your country?

    People talking about overthrowing or killing the current president IS business as usual. What’s unusual is, as Robert B. alludes do, having a former very high ranking military commander say it.

  9. raven says

    Vallely, who has suggested a variety of extra-constitutional remedies to remove President Barack Obama from office, said extraordinary means were necessary to achieve the legislative results he wanted.

    1. We do have a constitutional way of removing people from office. And use it often.

    It’s called voting!!!

    I do it myself as often as possible.

    2. Obama won the last two elections. This is just a matter of public record. The Democrats control the senate by the same means.

    The majority of Americans don’t agree with Vallely and his followers. In fact, after the attempted coup d’etat by government shutdown in December, the GOP approval rating was a record low of 9%.

  10. raven says

    Vallely: …said extraordinary means were necessary to achieve the legislative results he wanted.

    Well, so what.

    That is true for many of us.

    I want a peaceful, progressive, USA. WIth a functioning space program and more science. With the Tea Party pushed back where they came from, under a rock or the lunatic fringes. More education and single payer health care. A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage. More economic equality and more socioeconomic mobility. The end of toxic fundie death cult xianity, creationism, and xian reality denial.

    It would take extraordinary means to get it. A miracle from whatever deities exist. Or help from advanced UFO aliens. Or fast forward evolution of human brains. Or an asteroid strike hitting Texas and Oklahoma.

    Not going to happen. But I’m not going to violently overthrow the USA government over it. I’ll do what I can, get on with my life, hang out with the cats, and work in the garden.

  11. daved says

    Where the fuck would you get 250,000 marines from?

    An excellent question. Wikipedia says there are 195,000 active marines and 40,000 reservists, so that only adds up to 235,000, even if you could get every single one. I suppose the number of retired marines is pretty large, might be 250,000.

    Of course, the idea that you could organize such a large force with nobody noticing is ludicrous.

  12. says

    Last night, after my trivia team* triumphantly trampled all comers, I had a short conversation with three old guys on one of the other teams. One was a retired U.S.A. Major, one was a single term soldier like me and the third was apparently not in the military when he was a young man. The retired guy actually showed me his I.D. (as if I needed to see it to know that he was for reelz). He and the other two were bashing Obama and the dems–and talking about Chicago being a cesspit of corruption. I told them that McCain and Romney were opportunistic self-centered, megalomaniacal asswipes (not my precise wording, but close enough) and that the thought of either of them being PotUS scared the shit out of me. I also told them that I had seen the Mittunswillard as my governor for a few years. I related to them the story about “Bishop” Romney pulling strings to get his Mormon Temple in Belmont, MA–against the wishes of most of the town–and was told that it was okay, because RELIJUS FREEDUMB!!

    They really didn’t have much to say about anybody except Obama, the OLD Mayor Daley and the Dead Kennedys (the “dynasty” not the band).

    It was pathetic, really.

    * No Cell Phones (because some people are unclear on the concept of “no cell phones” during the game.

  13. says

    @12:

    I think I saw how it’s done, “47 Ronin”. You just have to scale it up. A lot of the ronin acted like they were fucking lunatics–no problemo for those in Teabagnation.

  14. dugglebogey says

    Are these guys against the clock with their bullshit now? I think they know that when the 2016 election preparations start up, which is coming very soon, nobody will swallow this “The king needs to be dethroned by force” bullshit that these assholes are selling.

    So they know if they are going to get an audience for this crap, they have to do their talking NOW.

  15. says

    I wonder how the old warhorses who were just laughing at Vallely’s pipe dream are feeling now that he’s on record as saying he’d lead the fucking MARINES in a campaign, ‘stead of the ground pounders. Talk about a “Sooper sized dish of STFU!”.

  16. says

    The most relevant difference between sedition and revolution is how popular the affair is.

    Let them try. If it’s another couple of hundred people I’m not even sure there will be anything seditious. If somehow someday they did get the many millions that they want to participate in such activity then we can be sure the social contract is in doubt and the conversation can shift accordingly.

  17. Moggie says

    Wingnuts, you’ve been talking up revolution for years now, and I’m getting tired. Shit or get off the pot! Under a real tyranny, do you think people go around openly discussing maybe getting around to organising an armed coup sometime soonish? No, because then they’d quickly wind up dead, or breaking rocks. If you’re serious, quit this endless public jawing and just fucking do it already!

  18. jnorris says

    I hope Major Gen. Vallely (ret.) isn’t going to invade Washington DC before May 16th of this year. If he does then all the millions of patriots Col Riley (ret.) has recruited for Operation American Spring won’t get their hotel reservation deposits back. Nor will Col Riley get his deposit back for all the Porta-Potty’s he’s rented.

    Think of the boon this will be for DC hotels and restaurants as the Millions for OAS are replaced by 250,000 Marines needing housing. I bet unemployment is dropping to zero as all businesses are taking on extra help for the occupations.

    BTW: does anyone know who has the t-shirt concession for Operation American Spring? What’s the official beer?

  19. Vall says

    @3 Robert B.
    Many would agree and many would disagree. The armed services really are a cross-section of society, with the exception of the rich. It’s similar to trying to give all atheists a common trait, other than the god question. The military certainly isn’t some right wing testosterone flexing party portrayed by the pacifists. There are that type obviously, but they tend to gravitate towards certain jobs like military police and such. My own experience would lead me to say the vast majority were not right wingers. I saw plenty of people from all backgrounds, most of whom aren’t known for voting republican.
    The military oath is to the Constitution, not a political party. When we have politicians AND the supreme court wiping their ass with that document, it is very frustrating, but I don’t think any one person could organize a coup. Especially the tea party type.
    More importantly, I’m not sure you could find 250,000 Marines that would follow an Army puke.

  20. D. C. Sessions says

    It’s not really surprising that the Patriots are dreaming of recreating the high point of American History, when the true freedom lovers stood up for their rights against the tyrant from Illinois. Of course, this time the ending will be different.

  21. says

    As is often the case with such types they don’t know their own history. The American Revolution required considerable foreign support to succeed. What foreign powers in the 21st Century would support an uprising like the kind they dream of? None that they’d like. Of course even those powers would be loathe to support it, since it would put people into power who think it’s a Really Good Idea to use the US military to impose America’s will at the first opportunity. Iran would enjoy seeing the US in chaos for as long as it took them to realise Vallely and friends think nuking Tehran is a wonderful idea.

  22. says

    retired Major Gen. Paul Vallely told a Tea Party group that he would gladly lead the effort if he had enough troops.

    Wasn’t there some right-wing rage when those ex-generals came out and said Iraq and Afghanistan were unwinnable? I recall that it was loudly deemed inappropriate for them to cast doubt on their uniform, or something goofy like that. So apparently it’s OK after all, for retired generals to make complete asses of themselves?

  23. says

    Of course even those powers would be loathe to support it

    The US has 5500+ H-bombs; having the US dissolve into a civil war would be a nightmare that would make the collapse of the USSR look like a block party gone wrong in comparison.

  24. Al Dente says

    democommie @5

    Vallely’s bio includes that he retired after about 32 years in the US Army holding the rank of Major General and serving as Deputy Chief, Pacific Command. There’s something a little odd about that bio. One guess; he fucked with his troops until somebody ratted him out for doing something that could only be papered over if he left the job .Authoritarian assholes like Vallely NEVER cede authority without being forced to do so.

    What it tells me is he wasn’t selected for Lieutenant General (three stars). There’s a very intricate and complicated law called the Defense Officer Personnel Management Act (DOPMA) which governs promotion, separation and retirement of officers. If an officer eligible for retirement (i.e., has 20 or more years total active service) fails for selection to the next higher rank three times, then they will retire by the end of the fiscal year.

  25. erichoug says

    For some reason, this sort of thing from the right always makes me happy.

    Mainly because I love to picture a column of old farts, tax cheats, delusional conspiracy theorists, and open carry morons led by a drum and fife corp of Tea Party idiots in colonial garb getting mowed down by the main gun on an A-10 Warthog that they though had come out to support them.

    By all means, march on Washington, boys.

    We need to start encouraging them more.

  26. matty1 says

    Being mowed down while protesting is surely one of the few things that would get them some public sympathy.

  27. erichoug says

    @Matty

    If they were just protesting, I would be with you.

    But, we’re talking about an armed Coup d’eat, led by morons who aren’t fit to lead a church coir. I sure as hell wouldn’t be sympathetic.

  28. says

    It’s not the armchair warriors that worry me, it’s the lone nutjobs who listen to them and take their constant agitation for violence as a green light to begin their own attempt at armed resistance. Fortunately, such cases are rare, but the potential is there.

  29. sh3baproject says

    i can see this guy’s tactics being “pray to a fictional god for a victory” and “shout loud bullshit to cause head explosions”

  30. chilidog99 says

    I can see this guy ranting about “Purity of Essence.”

    while saving up his “Essence” in empty mayonnaise jars.

  31. shay says

    More importantly, I’m not sure you could find 250,000 Marines that would follow an Army puke.

    True dat.

  32. says

    @25:

    Yeah, Al Dente, I wasn’t certain about the actual rules but I knew that sort of thing was going on. What I should have said was that there’s something that kept him from making the cut–and it prolly ain’t savory.

  33. dingojack says

    Marcus Ranum – according to FoAW the USA is the proud owner of about 2,600 warheads in about 850 delivery devices (ie ICBMs etc.). I doubt even half are fusion weapons (ie H-bombs), most would likely be fission weapons (ie A-bombs).

    erichoug – “But, we’re talking about an armed Coup d’eat, led by morons who aren’t fit to lead a church coir. I sure as hell wouldn’t be sympathetic” [Emphasis mine].

    So I had to look it up. Who knew that churches had matting or rope made of coconut fibre?.

    coir [koir]
    noun
    the prepared fiber of the husk of the coconut fruit, used in making rope, matting, etc.
    Origin:
    1575–85; < Malayalam kayaru cord; replacing cairo < Portuguese < Tamil kayiṟu rope

    :D Dingo

  34. matty1 says

    Ah, I see you were picturing them posing a serious threat. When I read the description.

    a column of old farts, tax cheats, delusional conspiracy theorists, and open carry morons led by a drum and fife corp of Tea Party idiots in colonial garb

    I imagined a few dozen old men confused by talk radio and viral emails showing up to a place imagining they had come to support a revolution but with no real potential for violence. They may think they are engaging in a coup but if all they do is show up and shout I would class them as protestors anyway.

  35. Bob Dowling says

    Whenever I hear these blowhards blowing hard about armed revolt I’m always reminded of the scene towards the end of Billion Dollar Brain where the right-wing nutters get taken out by one plane bombing the ice. The Russian general picks up the marker representing them from the map, looks at it for a moment and then contemptuously throws it over his shoulder. (If I remember it correctly; it’s been a while.)

    If the entire Tea Party grabbed their runs and seriously attacked Washington D.C., just how long do they think they would last?

  36. says

    @39:

    Bob Dowling:

    If they grabbed their guns and attacked D.C., they’d be turned into hash by one of the many military units in the vicinity.

    If, otoh, they grabbed their runs, they’d have VERY messy hands and would have to wash, thoroughly–scrubbing vigorously for at least 20 seconds–with warm, soapy water, before returning to the barricades.

  37. says

    @37:

    Dear dingojack:

    Two things.

    1.) The U.S. has Nu-q-lar crooz missles and a fuckton of trident sub missiles. They also have conventional looking bombs with Nu-q-lar payloads which can be delivered by a number of current USAF aircraft.

    C.) The people you’re getting your information from are prolly getting theirs from the U.S. gummint. Do you see the problem with that?

  38. says

    @Brony #17 – The law does not require that sedition be credible.

    18 U.S. Code § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy

    If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

    18 U.S. Code § 2385 – Advocating overthrow of Government

    Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

    Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

    Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

    If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

    As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

    These laws have been around for a very long time, and have been regularly upheld in the courts. Vallely and his ilk are blatantly and openly violating these laws. The Obama administration is derelict in enforcing these laws

  39. says

    Dingo@#37

    The Pentagon said it had a total of 5,113 warheads in its nuclear stockpile at the end of September, down 84 percent from a peak of 31,225 in 1967. The arsenal stood at 22,217 warheads when the Berlin Wall fell in 1989.

    Ref: http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/03/us-nuclear-treaty-usa-arsenal-idUSTRE64251X20100503?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
    Btw, that means we were violating START as well as the NPT

    With respect to h-versus-a bombs: nobody builds pure fission bombs anymore, except as a way of showing the international community they can enrich uranium and plutonium. Even the north koreans are building amplified fission/fusion bombs; it’s harder but it can be observed by the yield. There are no pure fission bombs in anyone’s arsenal, based on yield alone. It’s possible there are cores awaiting being dismantled but they’re not really weapons in that state.

    Meanwhile the pentagon wants $1t to modernize nukes:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-nuclear-arsenal-is-ready-for-overhaul/2012/09/15/428237de-f830-11e1-8253-3f495ae70650_story.html

  40. thebookofdave says

    250,000 Marines sounds like an impressive force, until you consider the odds they would be up against (Mr. Vallely, 50 million Muslim infiltrators are here to speak with you). Also, holding a meeting in Surprise to reveal plans to overthrow the government is just more evidence that RWNJs are oblivious to irony.

  41. colnago80 says

    Re Marcus Ranum @ #43

    It is my information that Israel has developed a number of very low yield nukes (~1 kt) for possible use against Palestinian targets. I suspect that these are all pure fission bombs.

  42. dingojack says

    So the take home message for those planning to lead 250,000 Marines into Washington would be:
    ‘Half a league, half a league, half a league onward. Into the Vallely of death marched the 500 (thou)….’.

    Marcus – If they’re not fission weapons then they’re not H-bombs, they are A-bombs. A poster that starts using words sloppily, ends up thinking in a similar manner.

    SLC – So Israel is gonna lend them to the US to replicate (some 550 times) so as to satisfy the statement (made as absolute fact) by Marcus? Really?

    Dingo

  43. shay says

    No Marine is going to be dumb enough to follow Vallely* but he doesn’t care. As long as he can keep the troglodytes sending him $$$ for his brave patriotic campaign, he’s happy.

    (*ok. Maybe a few. I once worked for an MP major who was easily this stupid).

  44. colnago80 says

    Re chihuahua @ #46

    The Pennsylvania pissant claimed that nobody makes pure fission bombs anymore. Apparently, Israel does not exist in the pantheon of chihuahua and pissant.

  45. dingojack says

    SLC – No, Marcus claimed that (and I quote): “… nobody builds pure fission bombs anymore, except as a way of showing the international community they can enrich uranium and plutonium”.

    Firstly, no claims were made about the existence, or not, of Israel (except in the fever-swamp you’re pleased to call a brain) by either Marcus or myself. Really I’d say seek immediate voluntary psychiatric confinement, but clearly mandated confinement would be far safer for the community at large. Secondly, you missed completely the second clause of Marcus’ post which, I would say, fits with Israel’s posturing on the larger world stage.
    Thank you for you attempts at conversation, but run along now, the adults want to talk.
    Dingo

  46. says

    Gregory @ 42

    You miss the meaning in my comment. I have no problem believing and accepting that those are the law.

    My meaning is that if enough people are involved the social contract no longer has meaning and those laws no longer have force. It’s a general principle that needs to exist so that every group of people has the opportunity to hit the reset button on their society if they need to.

    The only real important questions are if these Tea Partiers have any substance to their complaints (they don’t), and enough actual social support for what they are attempting (highly doubtful).

  47. colnago80 says

    Re chihuahua @ #49

    So your claim is that Israel is just posturing. Since they currently have 80+ devices according to the DIA, 200 according to Vanunu, and 500+ according to John Steinbach, this seems like more then posturing. But what do I know. It would seem that a dozen would be a more economical way of posturing. In fairness, only a fraction of the devices are of the very low yield variety and the higher yield devices may well be thermonuclear.

  48. says

    (Hit the button too soon)

    So these folks could actually be charged with sedition if the government wanted to. But by this point most Americans are used to this sort of talk being allowed. I think if the government did start charging folks for sedition it would serve to feed their paranoid fantasies all the more.

  49. daved says

    Gregory@42

    These laws have been around for a very long time, and have been regularly upheld in the courts. Vallely and his ilk are blatantly and openly violating these laws. The Obama administration is derelict in enforcing these laws

    That settles it, then. We need to overthrow the government for failing to crack down on people who are threatening to overthrow the government.

  50. abb3w says

    @42, Gregory in Seattle

    18 U.S. Code § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy

    @-1,

    “I had a call this afternoon from Idaho, the gentleman said, ‘If I give you 250,000 Marines to go to Washington, will you lead them?’” Vallely said as the group laughed and gasped. “I said, ‘Yes, I will”

    In the US, conspiracy usually requires an overt act of furtherance as well as agreement; but that overt act can itself be an otherwise legal one. I wonder if addressing the Tea Party group could be considered as such — attempting to build political support for the coup?

    Also, if he’s drawing a retirement pension, the Article 2 leaves him still subject to the UCMJ, and potential military court martial prosecution under Article 94. However, the letter of that seems more of a stretch to cover.

  51. says

    This:

    http://www.ploughshares.org/world-nuclear-stockpile-report

    is the latest info I can find.

    It’s really pretty meaningless re: the U.S. and Russia for sure, likely most other nuclear weapons capable countries as well. Nobody tells the truth. I doubt that the U.S. would willingly let Putin and his cronies enjoy a numeric superiority in nukes. Since the NSTC* hasn’t yet achieved the orgasm of secession we, unlike the Russkies, can still account for our HBMUD’s**

    * New Southern Traitors’ Coalition

    ** Huge Blowin’ Mothafuckahs Up Devices.

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