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Dec 26 2013

YEC and ‘Silly Evolutionary Stories’

John Morris, who inherited the leadership of the Institute for Creation Research from his father Henry, who virtually founded young earth creationism in this country, had a message in a radio bulletin for those so-called scientists who think evidence and data actually matters.

O’Brien: Has evolutionary science been useful to the world?

Morris: Chris, you’d be surprised. Evolutionists say that evolution undergirds all of biology, and yet no truly helpful discovery has come from evolution. It is true that many evolutionists have made amazing discoveries, but these are based on scientific observation of the way things are—how they originated is a different question. It seems to me that if evolution were really a theory of everything, as they claim, then it ought to be obvious; they shouldn’t have to rely on silly evolutionary stories to make us believe it. Face it, evolution is unbelievable because it is simply not true. Most people are not gullible enough to think that a frog change into a prince. Creation is a much better answer and we learn that when we go back to Genesis.

O’Brien: Thanks Dr. Morris!

Yes, a man who believes in a literal Adam and Eve being tempted by a talking snake into eating an apple that caused all of mankind to become sinful is calling evolution a bunch of “silly stories.” You can’t make this shit up.

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  1. 1
    Reginald Selkirk

    his father Henry, who virtually founded young earth creationism in this country

    The major ideas for Henry Morris’ book The Genesis Flood came from George McCready Price. The split is more along doctrinal lines (Price was a Seventh Day Adventist) than pseudo-scientific lines.

  2. 2
    Doug Little

    It seems to me that if evolution were really a theory of everything, as they claim,

    Who are they? No one claims this.

    Face it, evolution is unbelievable because it is simply not true. Most people are not gullible enough to think that a frog change into a prince.

    What? This guy does not know the first thing about evolution, or he is lying for the rubes so that he can part them and their money.

  3. 3
    raven

    Same old lies.

    Morris: Chris, you’d be surprised. Evolutionists say that evolution undergirds all of biology, and yet no truly helpful discovery has come from evolution.

    This is a lie.

    Evolution theory is critical in agriculture and medicine. It’s the basis of modern agriculture systems which rely on continual genetic improvement of crops and the evolutionary war between pathogens and anti-pathogens. We feed 7 billion people, an accomplishment that seemed all but impossible 50 years ago.

    This only matters if you want to eat and live a long, healthy life.

  4. 4
    Reginald Selkirk

    … and yet no truly helpful discovery has come from evolution.

    Evolutionary medicine

    The evolutionary approach has driven important advances in our understanding of antibiotic resistance, cancer, autoimmune disease, and anatomy.

  5. 5
    raven

    Most people are not gullible enough to think that a frog change into a prince.

    Of course, evolution doesn’t say this. Evolution says a frog changes into a slightly different frog.

    It took ca. 200 million years to change frogs into princes.

  6. 6
    Reginald Selkirk

    Ripped from today’s headlines:
    Diabetes risk gene ‘from Neanderthals’

  7. 7
    Reginald Selkirk

    It took ca. 200 million years to change frogs into princes.

    Errm, no. Frogs and princes last shared a common ancestor ~ 360 million years ago, but it was an amphibian which did not resemble today’s frogs all that much.
    The earliest known frog appeared during the late Jurassic period, about 190 million years ago!

  8. 8
    raven

    The evolutionary approach has driven important advances in our understanding of antibiotic resistance, cancer, autoimmune disease, and anatomy.

    And also:

    1. The system in place to identify new emerging pandemics and pathogens. As half the large mammal biomass on the planet, we are a prime target for any ambitious pathogens. There is a new emerging human disease coming along about every 18 months.

    We’ve seen it with Ebola, Marsburg, SARS, MERS, various influenzas, and HIV.

    We now know what to look for, why, and how to stop them. Only one got away and it was early in the program, HIV/AIDS.

    Before that, new epidemics would arise and burn through the population over a few generations, killing millions.

    2. Evolutionary theory informs our current treatment of HIV/AIDS. The virus mutates rapidly and each patient is their own petri dis. We use multiple drugs simultaneously to keep virus levels low and mutations low.

    In theory, we could elminate this disease from the human population.

  9. 9
    caseloweraz

    O’Brien: Thanks, Dr. Morris!

    Ha! O’Brien’s tone reminds me of a commercial from years back, in which the actress Jean Marsh is talking to several children. She mixes yellow and blue pigments, and one kid exclaims, “You made green! Do more, Mrs. Marsh!”

    Of course, no one disputes that mixing yellow pigment with blue pigment makes the color green. Sadly that is not the case with the proposition that scientific data plus theorizing makes fact. The persistent obscurantism against many areas of science, not just evolution, truly threatens the future of civilization.

  10. 10
    Reginald Selkirk

    TimeTree
    Server for finding time to common ancestor for two taxa.

  11. 11
    dingojack

    And, of course, YEC has produced plenty of truly helpful discoveries, such as…..
    well….
    um….
    wait a minute, wait a minute….
    I’ll think of at least one – eventually*.
    .@@
    Dingo
    ——-
    * given infinite amounts of time, of course

  12. 12
    Reginald Selkirk

    raven #8: Evolutionary theory informs our current treatment of HIV/AIDS.

    There’s a strong overlap between Creationism and HIV/AIDS denial.

  13. 13
    Trebuchet

    @2, Doug Little:

    What? This guy does not know the first thing about evolution, or AND he is lying for the rubes so that he can part them and their money.

    FTFY, and the answer is yes.

  14. 14
    rabbitscribe

    #10 Reginald- that is VERY cool!

  15. 15
    busterggi

    “many evolutionists have made amazing discoveries, but these are based on scientific observation of the way things are”

    Yet somehow gods are never observed, almost as if they aren’t part of the way things are.

  16. 16
    John Pieret

    Yes, a man who believes in a literal Adam and Eve being tempted by a talking snake into eating an apple that caused all of mankind to become sinful is calling evolution a bunch of “silly stories.”

    Well, when you’ve tied your identity to acceptance of a set of silly stories, what else can you do but call the opposing narrative silly stories? It has the additional advantage that the other people who accept your silly stories will automatically believe that it can be shown that the opposing narrative are actually silly stories and will send you money to “prove” it. For Morris, at least, it is a win-win scenerio.

  17. 17
    cheesynougats

    @2,

    Theodosius Dobzhansky, kind of. “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.” Not exactly a “theory of everything,” but evolution does unite all of biology into a coherent whole, much like relativity and quantum theory unite physics.

  18. 18
    colnago80

    Ole John’s father was Henry made a fool of when he debated Ken Miller. Henry was a professor of civil engineering at VPU (he was a hydrolic engineer by training), and chairman of the engineering department there at one time. A former colleague of mine once took a course in engineering economics from him and pronounced him the worst instructor he ever had for a course at VPU.

  19. 19
    coffeehound

    It seems to me that if evolution were really a theory of everything, as they claim….

    WTF? You bastards have had the “Grand Unified Theory of Evolution and Everything” and you’ve been holding out on me all along?!

  20. 20
    alanb

    @2,

    It seems to me that if evolution were really a theory of everything, as they claim,

    Who are they? No one claims this.

    “Evolutionism, as taught by Darwinism, has nothing – nothing – to say about how life originated. Has nothing to say about how the governing principles in the universe – gravity, thermodynamics, motion, fluid motion – how any of those originated. It’s…it’s got some gigantic missing pieces.” -Ben Stein

  21. 21
    matty1

    You can’t make this shit up.

    I think it’s quite clear they can.

  22. 22
    freehand

    Trebuchet – while it is possible in principle for many of these self-promoting clowns to be reasonably informed sociopaths, most of them are actually quite sincerely idiots, and believe the nonsense they spout. Their behavior is self-serving, sure, but that really does not mean that any self-awareness is involved.

    As a kid I was astonished and appalled at the efforts these folks put into lying, but they seemed genuinely unaware of it. They work especially hard and staying uninformed. Giving them the ability to see themselves as others see them would be horrifying for them, if they had the courage to imagine that possibility.

  23. 23
    John Pieret

    As a kid I was astonished and appalled at the efforts these folks put into lying, but they seemed genuinely unaware of it. They work especially hard and staying uninformed.

    See “Morton’s Demon” by an evangelical Christian who finally had to accept the evidence for an ancient Earth and evolution:

    http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/feb02.html

  24. 24
    Sastra

    It seems to me that if evolution were really a theory of everything, as they claim, then it ought to be obvious; they shouldn’t have to rely on silly evolutionary stories to make us believe it.

    In addition to the misunderstanding of the theory of evolution, I see a HUGE case of projection going on here. This is basically the flip of a common atheist problem with religion.

    IF God were really a fundamental explanation for everything and infused into all aspects of reality, as they claim, then it ought to be obvious: the religious shouldn’t have to rely on silly Bible stories to make us believe it.

    From our side, this is a pretty reasonable objection. I mean look at the scope of the claim — and the disconnect with the idea that we’d need or be given a book. So of course they take it and try to twist it into their own argument. But even the most fervent advocates for the Theory of Evolution don’t try to support it by insisting that we’re all born knowing common descent, or biology is intuitively plausible to those who open their hearts. So this passage struck me as both ironic and humorous.

  25. 25
    bahrfeldt

    “Most people are not gullible enough to think that a frog change into a prince.”

    Perhaps, but those that are gullible enough are the sheep that keep him and the rest of the flock fleecing bloodsuckers rich and fat.

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