Dobson Makes Powerful Argument for Contraception Mandate


James Dobson has filed yet another lawsuit against the federal government over the contraception mandate in the Affordable Care Act (I’ve lost count; it’s probably well over 100 such suits now) and he’s making a very powerful argument in favor of that mandate:

James Dobson: How dare the government do that do us! These principles that we believe in are more important to us than our own lives!

[ADF President Alan Sears] told me recently that he thinks that our case is one of the most important religious liberty cases ever to be adjudicated and I said ‘why, what gives it that kind of stature and importance in history?” And he said ‘because never before has the federal government required individuals and businesses to kill human beings and get fined if you don’t, or to facilitate the killing of human beings…

Ryan Dobson: It’s important to stand up for righteousness in the culture and to save the lives of millions of babies that are going to be killed because of this. We have to do this.

James Dobson: And we have to win, too.

Martin Nussbaum: And you have to do because you either have to provide the benefit that you’re morally opposed to or you have to pay a fine of $36,500 per employee, per year.

Ryan Dobson: Which would close our doors.

James Dobson: Well, we will close the doors if we have to do this! Rather than be complicit in the killing of babies, we will go away. I mean, it’s as simple as that.

Promises, promises. I can’t imagine a better argument for the contraception mandate than that it will shut down Dobson’s malevolent organization.

Comments

  1. Vicki, duly vaccinated tool of the feminist conspiracy says

    Is their sense of history so short that they’ve never heard of the military draft? Or is that okay because instead of fining corporations for breaking the law, it only put mere humans in prison for refusing?

  2. says

    “because never before has the federal government required individuals and businesses to kill human beings and get fined if you don’t, or to facilitate the killing of human beings…”

    Well, other than the fact that people’s taxes have been used to pay for enforcement of the death penalty, or to finance every war America has ever fought.

  3. mobius says

    Religious liberty clearly allows employers to force their employees to practice the employer’s religion. [/sarcasm]

    Yes, the health coverage should include contraception because that is a health issue. There is nothing in the ACA that forces people to use the contraception provided. That is left up to the individual which can make her decision on her own terms, including her religion.

    But to the Dobbons of the world, religious liberty means “allowing me to force everyone else to follow my religion” since his religion insists that he must do so.

  4. says

    To be fair, he’s right. It is awful that the State is forcing individuals and businesses to kill human beings, and if they refuse to provide the benefit of killing human beings to themselves and their employees they have to pay a fine for each themself and each employee who they haven’t helped kill human beings, and for every year they don’t provide the human killing benefit to themselfves and their employees.

    If you say it enough it it doesn’t sound insane. Except for the insanity. That sounds insane.

  5. Sideshow Bill says

    “And he said ‘because never before has the federal government required individuals and businesses to kill human beings and get fined if you don’t, or to facilitate the killing of human beings…” Never mind the draft, or execution for desertion. I’m sure he’d support that.

  6. Sastra says

    Is Dobson here assuming that any birth control which prevents the implantation of a fertilized egg is performing an abortion? Or is he actually including condoms and other methods which prevent fertilization itself as ways to kill a baby?

    If it’s the first then one might expect him to argue “we’ll accept this but not that” (well, one might if one expected him to be consistent and/or honest.)

    But if it’s the second then … wow. Interesting metaphysics. Babies sitting around on clouds in heaven, waiting to be conceived.

  7. noastronomer says

    Avo almost had it. Dobson appears to be a little unclear on the point of contraception.

    Mike.

  8. Al Dente says

    Ever since the 1960s contraception has not been an issue in the US. The Catholic bishops were against it but nobody, not even other Catholics, paid attention to that male, virgin gerontocracy. But ever since it became part of ACA, the religious right has been shrieking about contraception. Rush Limbaugh made a fool of himself when he ranted about Sandra Fluke. The Catholic bishops showed yet again that their “religious freedom” meant reduction in other peoples’ freedom. Now James “take a shower with your son” Dobson is proving he doesn’t understand how hormonal contraceptives work.

  9. thascius says

    @7-probably the former (and when have you ever known a conservative to be consistent?) The belief is that human life begins at conception so anything that interferes with a fertilized egg implanting in the uterine wall is abortion and therefore murder. Of course, under natural conditions it’s estimated that about half of all fertilized eggs fail to implant, which means God murders about half the human race before birth (actually more if you consider other pregnancies that fail to carry to term for whatever reason). Not that logic has anything to do with anti-abortion belief either.

  10. raven says

    Is Dobson here assuming that any birth control which prevents the implantation of a fertilized egg is performing an abortion? Or is he actually including condoms and other methods which prevent fertilization itself as ways to kill a baby?

    Most likely Dobson is just babbling to babble.

    Dobson married his wife, Shirley, on August 26, 1960; they have two children, Danae and Ryan.

    James Dobson and his wife have only has one biological child. The other was adopted. You have to wonder why he doesn’t have 10 or 20, common enough in pre birth control days.

    Most likely he and his wife used birth control a lot like everyone else.

    This is common among fundie leaders. They usually have small families. They don’t want to overbreed because they have better ways of spending their time and money. They want their followers to do it for them.

    PS There is a theory that fundies use their personalities as birth control. While completely plausible, it ignores the fact that, while we may not find toads desirable, girl toads find boy toads quite attractive.

  11. says

    Sastra “Is Dobson here assuming that any birth control which prevents the implantation of a fertilized egg is performing an abortion?”
    Now you’re just being ridiculous. It’s not “any birth control which prevents the implantation of a fertilized egg is performing an abortion”, it’s “any birth control which Dobson believes prevents the implantation of a fertilized egg in spite of evidence against his belief and a lack of evidence for it is performing an abortion”.
    Now don’t you feel foolish?

  12. raven says

    James Dobson: Well, we will close the doors if we have to do this!

    Translating from Vaguely Humanoid Toad speak to English, this means, send us more money!!!

    Dobson will just shrug his shoulders and pick another of his many hates to gibber on about.

    This guy is so repulsive, his Focus on Hating Everybody organization has been laying off people for a decade due to a loot intake problem.

  13. says

    And you have to do because you either have to provide the benefit that you’re morally opposed to or you have to pay a fine of $36,500 per employee, per year.

    Or simply stop providing health insurance and only pay $2,000 per employee, per year. Or contract out health insurance and wash your hands of it, like most companies do.

  14. raven says

    According to the US CDC, contraceptive use among women in relevant cohorts is 99%. It’s 98% among Catholic women.

    1. No matter how much the fundie xian leaders scream about it, no one is listening.

    2. Including them. The Hobby Lobby CEO guy, Dobson and all the rest have small family sizes.

    3. Which means they must be getting desperate for something new to raise money and annoy the normal people.

  15. colnago80 says

    Re thascius @ #10

    Of course, under natural conditions it’s estimated that about half of all fertilized eggs fail to implant, which means God murders about half the human race before birth (actually more if you consider other pregnancies that fail to carry to term for whatever reason).

    Meaning, of course, that god is the worlds champion abortionist.

  16. says

    Dobson supposedly believes in an omnipotent God, but he really doesn’t. After all if God is omnipotent then anything that happens is his will. Yet God can’t stop people from having abortions, he can only have a temper tantrum after the fact and smite them.

  17. Trebuchet says

    @9, Al Dente:

    Rush Limbaugh made a fool of himself when he ranted about Sandra Fluke.

    That sir, is utterly untrue. He was already a fool long before that!

    It continually boggles my mind that the same people violently opposed to abortion are so equally violently opposed to the two best ways of preventing it, education and birth control.

  18. R Johnston says

    @18, Trebuchet

    It continually boggles my mind that the same people violently opposed to abortion are so equally violently opposed to the two best ways of preventing it, education and birth control.

    It doesn’t boggle at all if you assume that what they’re genuinely opposed to is, rather than abortion, women having control over their lives and , in particular, women having and enjoying non-procreative sex.

  19. cry4turtles says

    “because never before has the federal government required individuals and businesses to kill human beings and get fined if you don’t, or to facilitate the killing of human beings…”

    I highly doubt America is innocent of this. With genocide against our native people and slavery, the odds that some Americans faced fines for not killing human beings are IMHO pretty significant.

  20. says

    Saw the header and thought:

    “Yes, by golly, Ed is right! Dobson is a walking argument for the necessity of good, safe and inexpensive birth control.”.

  21. Ichthyic says

    “because never before has the federal government required individuals and businesses to kill human beings and get fined if you don’t, or to facilitate the killing of human beings…”

    except in the war for independence…

    and the civil war…

    and the first world war…

    and the second…

    and the korean war…

    and the war in viet nam…

  22. Wylann says

    democommie@23:

    Saw the header and thought:

    “Yes, by golly, Ed is right! Dobson is a walking argument for the necessity of good, safe and inexpensive birth control.”.

    ,..and extending the abortion age up to….how old is Dobson again? ;-)

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