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Dec 13 2013

Fox News: ‘Death of Free Enterprise’

Fox News is doing its usual bangup job of faux journalism in response to the Colorado case where a bakery is being required to follow the state’s anti-discrimination laws and not discriminate against gay couples. In an interview with the owner of the bakery they put up a huge graphic that says “The Death of Free Enterprise.” So why isn’t it the “death of free enterprise” if a business is not allowed to discriminate against black people? Or women? Or Christians? For special, magic, lucky reasons they can’t explain, of course.

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  1. 1
    Gvlgeologist, FCD

    You don’t get it, do you? To a Libertarian, it IS the “death of free enterprise” if a business is not allowed to discriminate against black people. Or women. Or Christians. Or, of course, gays.
    Or if a food preparation business is forced to have food inspectors. Or if any business is forced to have safety inspections.

    Because… free market!

  2. 2
    Modusoperandi

    So why isn’t it the “death of free enterprise” if a business is not allowed to discriminate against black people?

    It is, but they can’t say that publicly anymore.

    Or women?

    Stopping women from obtaining services is one of the Just and Proper duties of Big Government.

  3. 3
    Avo, also nigelTheBold

    Hey! We were discussing this at our Socialist Marxist Anarchist Communist (SMAC) monthly Potluck and World Domination meeting just a couple of days ago. I said, “Hey! I have a great idea how to break the invisible fingers of the invisible hand of the invisible Free Market!”

    Ivan the Terrible (not his real name, which is Charlie Mackerbee) turned to me and said, “What wise words do you have for us now, venerable Avo?”

    “Simple!” I proclaimed. “Merely force the suppliers of the market to sell their goods! Mwaa-hah. Mwaa-hah-hah-hah. MWAH-HA-HA … oh, you get the idea.”

    Such a brilliant, simple plan. They’ll never see it coming.

  4. 4
    Rentseeker

    Karl Marx said “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope”, which is probably what the poor persecuted Christian bakers are thinking right now.

  5. 5
    caseloweraz

    Listen up, scoffers! Here’s the inconvenient truth of how stopping a private company from discriminating kills it dead, dead, dead.

    Wikipedia documents the terribly unjust fate of Chick-fil-A after, in 2012, it was forced to stop openly supporting organizations opposed to same-sex marriage.

    As of 2012, the chain has approximately 1000* stand-alone locations. It also has 32 drive-through-only locations. Chick-fil-A also can be found at universities, hospitals, and airports through licensing agreements.

    * Per Hoovers -dot- com, that’s more like 1700.

    The company’s own Web site reveals the magnitude of the disaster: “System-wide sales in 2012 reached $4.6 billion. These figures reflect an (sic) 14 percent increase over the chain’s 2011 performance and a same-store sales increase of 8 percent.”

    Checkmate, liberals!

  6. 6
    Mobius

    It would seem to me that intentionally restricting your market would be the death of free enterprise. At least for you.

  7. 7
    gingerbaker

    What’s interesting is that the bakery owner said he would be happy to provide the gay couple with any bakery product except a wedding cake.

    If you ask me, this is a perfect example of why a ‘wedding’ should be a secular civil ceremony and not provided by any religious organization. What happens in a church is not a wedding – it is a Ceremony of Matrimony – Holy Matrimony in many cases. Many states have lapsed into allowing that ceremony of matrimony to also serve as the secular civil wedding ceremony out of sheer convenience. And, probably, because of lobbying by churches!

    Churches should not be forced to provide Ceremonies of Matrimony to any couple they feel is unfit. At the same time, a religious baker should have zero objections to a gay couple asking for cake for their wedding ceremony – because it would have absolutely zero bearing on his religion.

    Keep marriage secular is my, well, somebody’s motto. Well, it should be.

  8. 8
    chilidog99

    You missed the bigger point. Just by the act if baking and selling cakes to gay couples, they are being forced to participate in the gay wedding!!!!!!!

  9. 9
    Chiroptera

    Uh, wouldn’t “the death of free enterprise” be if the bakery wasn’t allowed to sell cakes for money?

  10. 10
    Area Man

    What kind of stupid bakery would discriminate against gay people? That makes about as much sense as a homophobic fashion boutique or hair salon.

  11. 11
    Michael Heath

    Rentseeker writes:

    Karl Marx said “The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope” . . .

    Original source citation requested. I wasn’t able to google a source. I found lots of people citing Marx, but none citing their source validating he actually stated this sentiment.

  12. 12
    Rentseeker

    Re: Michael Heath

    I just checked it out too and you’re right that there does not seem to be a source for the quote. I stand corrected on that point. Regardless, the libertarian solution to discrimination is unable to withstand the slightest exposure to reality. The fact that businesses through the US practiced discrimination against racial minorities before the Civil Rights Act tells us that free markets alone don’t overcome bigotry.

  13. 13
    thascius

    @12-And the fact that free markets don’t overcome bigotry is proof that we shouldn’t try to overcome bigotry. The free market, after all, can never be wrong. In libertarian circles it seems the marketplace is the One True God.

  14. 14
    gingerbaker

    You missed the bigger point. Just by the act if baking and selling cakes to gay couples, they are being forced to participate in the gay wedding!!!!!!!

    They ARE being asked to participate in the gay wedding – they’re making the cake! – plus, YOU missed the point. The point being, that the way it is now, religious bigots have no way to have straight matrimony ceremonies sacrosanct – because everything is a ‘wedding’ to them.

    Their fracking ministers are not pointing out to them the difference between the civil rite of marriage, and the religious rite of matrimony. As if they didn’t know the difference!

  15. 15
    had3

    “It got better..” (Tip of the hat to Monty Python)

  16. 16
    Chiroptera

    thascius, #13: In libertarian circles it seems the marketplace is the One True God.

    I like calling it the Invisible Hand. Makes it sound even more mysterious. And you better watch out: if you’re not good, the Invisible Hand will spank you!

    I think that the liberterandians came up with the idea of “sophisticated theology” before the “sophistimacated theologians” did.

  17. 17
    colnago80

    Re Rentseeker @ #4

    I thought it was either Lenin or Trotsky who said that.

  18. 18
    Rentseeker

    Thinking about this more, there are even times when businesses can make more money by perpetuating bigotry; the practice of blockbusting comes to mind.

  19. 19
    dan4

    Slightly off-topic (in terms of the fact that it doesn’t have to do with “the Death of Free Enterprise” nonsense), but notice how both both the baker and even his lawyer lie about him facing jail time for the non-baking of the cake (he isn’t).

  20. 20
    skinnercitycyclist

    Many states have lapsed into allowing that ceremony of matrimony to also serve as the secular civil wedding ceremony out of sheer convenience. And, probably, because of lobbying by churches!

    Don’t you still have to get a license down at the courthouse or city hall or something?

    I got married in 1983 in then-West Germany, I was in the Army at the time. We had to get a license and all at the Standesamt downtown in Karlsruhe, and we had two blonde German Beamte, one very tall and one very short, “swear us in.” It was very secular, and they conducted it in English, and my favorite part was when they concluded by solemnly intoning: “You have now contracted marriage.”

    Better than syphilis, I guess.

  21. 21
    democommie

    Somebody should do a study sometime, contrasting marriage in nice, white picket fence (or Crystal Cathedral) churches and contrast it with those at VegasElvis wedding chapels and see which has a better track record for not being sundered.

    Has anybody thought to tell these idiots that if they supply wedding cakes for Gayladeez and Ickybuttsecksguys that it will all balance out? I mean does GOD really take the time to go, “Okay, they made cakes for 100 men and 100 women who got married but there was some lag in the numbers. WTF is that about?”

  22. 22
    thebookofdave

    “It got better..”

    My thought exactly, had3. Free Enterprise is mauled on every voyage, and somehow gets fixed to the last scratch by the next episode. Even when it’s completely destroyed, the crew just gets to drive a shiny new free Enterprise, and forget about the monstrous catastrophe they narrowly escaped.

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