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Dec 08 2013

Sarah Palin: Martyr

Martin Bashir, another one of the terrible show hosts at MSNBC, has resigned from his show after a mostly-fake controversy over his criticism of Sarah Palin comparing federal debt to slavery. Sarah Palin just hopes that people learn from her brave example of martyrdom:

On Wednesday, Bashir had announced that he was resigning from MSNBC after suggesting that Palin deserved to eat human feces the way that slaves were once forced to for her remarks comparing the federal debt to slavery.

“My role is to accept his apology and be humble enough and to, you know, accept it and move on,” Palin told the hosts of Fox & Friends on Thursday. “But I just hope that unprovoked attacks like that don’t result in people being hesitant to jump in the arena anyway, to get out there and serve the public or start a business or really commit themselves to changing within their family, their community, their world, doing whatever they can despite the fact that, in this world, you are going to be hurt and attacks will come your way.”

“I just hope that an attack like that doesn’t make people hesitate.”

Yes, I’m sure it will have the same effect as all of your “attacks” on other people in politics. Funny how only criticism aimed at her is a dangerous threat to free speech and an attempt to silence people. Her criticism of others totally doesn’t do that.

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  1. 1
    Daniel Fincke

    It’s not “criticism” that he got fired for. It’s suggesting she should have someone shit in her mouth. He’s a disgraceful hack who stooped to a degrading level of dehumanization of someone he didn’t like. Good riddance.

  2. 2
    timgueguen

    Poking around Google + the other day I saw some right wing blogger claim that a conservative media personality who said the same thing as Bashir would have been fired right away. I really should have pointed out that all the garbage Rush Limbaugh has said hasn’t caused him to lose his job.

  3. 3
    dan4

    @2″…all the garbage Rush Limbaugh has said hasn’t caused him to lose his job.”

    Or Lou “Howard Dean needs to have a stake driven through his heart” Dobbs or Bill “Al-Qaeda, you want to bomb Coit Towers, go ahead,” O’Reilly.

  4. 4
    democommie

    “It’s suggesting she should have someone shit in her mouth.”

    You’re absolutely right.

    It’s a complete waste of perfectly good shit; bringing coals to Newcastle, Indeed!

  5. 5
    busterggi

    Martyrs are supposed to die for their cause not just whine like three year olds.

  6. 6
    Modusoperandi

    timgueguen “I really should have pointed out that all the garbage Rush Limbaugh has said hasn’t caused him to lose his job.”
    Why? It was wrong what Bashir said about Palin. It’s not wrong what Limbaugh says about, say, Obama.*

     
    * “Nigger nigger nigger”, mostly. Praise be to Atwater.

  7. 7
    John Pieret

    Daniel Fincke:

    It wasn’t quite as bad as that. Bashir poined out, using an account of a an actual slave punishment for the “crime” of eating some sugar cane, that among other barbarities, another slave was required to shit in the victim’s mouth. His point, badly put as it was, was that Palin had no idea of what “slavery” entailed if she equated it to Americans collectively paying for basic human services for all of us. I saw not the least suggestion that Palin actually be forcefully held down and made to have someone shit in her mouth. It was, at worse, a clumsily put reductio ad absurdum.

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    dan4

    Yes, I’m sure it will have the same effect as all of your “attacks” on other people in politics.

    This seems a little unfair. Palin was talking about “unprovoked attacks like that” (meaning the kind that forced Bashir launched at her), not “attacks” in general.

  9. 9
    Dave Maier

    I actually appreciate Sarah’s encouragement, because I was totally going to start a business but I was really worrying that people might, you know, attack me or whatever, so thanks Sarah, maybe I’ll give it a go!

  10. 10
    Michael Heath

    The liar Sarah Palin:

    I just hope that unprovoked attacks like that [Martin Bashir's criticism] . . .

    That’s a lie. Mr. Bashir was provoked by Ms. Palin’s ignorant and false comparision of slavery to federal debt.

    Yesterday somebody commented in Ed’s Pam Geller blog post on whether there’s anyone more dishonest than Ms. Geller. I can’t weigh-in on Ms. Geller, having not sufficiently observed what she states. However I think it’s easy to put Sarah Palin in any top liar list. It’s very rare to encounter an argument from her that doesn’t predominately depend on false premises. It’s astonishing how dishonest she is, as it is when confronting David Barton, Michelle Bachmann, or a standard-issue AGW denialist.

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    A. Noyd

    “My role is to accept his apology and be humble enough and to, you know, accept it and move on,” Palin told the hosts of Fox & Friends on Thursday.

    FFS. When you talk about how it’s your “role” to be humble, you’ve already failed.

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    Daniel Fincke (#1)

    He’s a disgraceful hack who stooped to a degrading level of dehumanization of someone he didn’t like.

    I thought the point was to remind Palin, who seems to have a heavily sanitized understanding of how slavery worked, that it actually was degrading and dehumanizing even to the degree of getting one’s mouth shit in. So maybe she shouldn’t use slavery in analogies till she recognizes just how much she’s trivializing it.

  12. 12
    marcus

    As pointed out by democommie to try to stuff shit into Palin would be superfluous and futile sinse she is so utterly full of it to begin with. Let me be unequivocal:

    Dear Sarah Palin, Please eat shit and die. Thanks.

  13. 13
    raven

    It’s very rare to encounter an argument from her that doesn’t predominately depend on false premises. It’s astonishing how dishonest she is,…

    She doesn’t really lie all that much.

    Palin just repeats christofascist dog whistles and talking points without worrying about how true they are. In other words she just repeats other people’s lies. I doubt if she is bright enough to come up with many of her own.

  14. 14
    Modusoperandi

    And, in defense of Governor Palin, it is pretty bad when the Democrats borrow from China.

  15. 15
    tbp1

    @7: I read the transcript and he comes pretty darn close to suggesting that, close enough that I agree it was offensive and warranted at least an apology.

    However, I agree with those who point out that well-known, influential right wing commentators say stuff just as offensive all the time with impunity (Rush Limbaugh about Sandra Fluke, to cite just one example).

  16. 16
    cptdoom

    Well if there is anyone who knows about the horror of failing to accomplish one’s goals, it’s the half-term governor of Alaska. Wasn’t it the same “attacks”, i.,e., criticism of her policies, that caused Mr. Palin’s baby mama to run away from her job?

  17. 17
    Michael Heath

    tbp1 writes:

    I agree with those who point out that well-known, influential right wing commentators say stuff just as offensive all the time with impunity (Rush Limbaugh about Sandra Fluke, to cite just one example).

    Worse, the media is much more apt to perpetuate a story about a liberal using bad form against a conservative than the other way around. I think because bad arguments are the predominate form of argument we get from conservatives, where it’s not an attribute of liberals. So it’s news when a liberal makes a bad argument; but that’s a fucked way of prioritizing what’s newsworthy. Shouldn’t articles regarding the demonstrated inability of conservative to make coherent and cogent arguments get some legs?

    The same goes with dishonesty. When a Democrat lies, even on a matter that isn’t all that consequential, it’s big news. However Sarah Palin and other conservatives constantly lie, and yet their lies and their systemic pattern of lying is not treated as newsworthy. The most vivid current illustration is the President’s comments about keeping your insurance vs. the case conservatives have been making in regards to Obamacare.

    Yes Ms. Palin’s “death panel” lie was considered the lie of the year by a fact-checking organization, but that’s small potatoes related to Ms. Palin and her allies continual lies about all public policy issues. Especially when that same factcheck organization counter that year’s award to a subsequent one for a Democrat that wasn’t actually a lie; for balance, “don’t cha know”. (I forget what that site claimed as its post-Palin lie of the year, only that it wasn’t an actual lie.)

  18. 18
    caseloweraz

    It seems that, in wingnut eyes, everything the Obama administration does equates to either slavery, rape or fascism. Now here’s Alaska “ernor” (the “gov” part dropped intentionally) equating the federal debt to slavery. Funny, I don’t recall her complaining when GW Bush was running up that debt.

    Martin Bashir’s comeback was intemperate and warrants an apology, but not firing IMO. But Palin’s pose offends me. I think she should apologize for making invidious comparisons like this one, or like “death panels.”

    She won’t, of course. Therefore I can do no better than to quote Thomas Frank, who in Pity the Billionaire sarcastically implored readers to “… weep for the Nation as the insolent words of the liberals fasten fast the chainy chains of Servitude around the neck of Liberty!”

    This passage, by the way (pp. 124-5), specifically refers to “The Persecution of Sarah Palin,” an article Matthew Continetti wrote for The Weekly Standard.

  19. 19
    Pen

    I really don’t like her but Bashir was way out of line. There’s nothing even remotely cool to me about his misuse of the particular material he was relying on to browbeat a contemporary. Both of them have an appalling ignorance of the real context and circumstances of slavery, for people who are prepared to use its memory and surviving evidence for their own ends. I spent a certain amount of time studying how and why, exactly, Thistlewood (Bashir’s poster boy for violent slave owner) deployed his physical abuse. Let’s just say that it doesn’t work the way they think, it’s much more complicated than plain old bad, but it’s still also as bad as can be. I’m appalled to hear it bandied about like this in public.

  20. 20
    Michael Heath

    Pen @ 19,

    Whoosh.

  21. 21
    davem

    People like Palin really need interviewers to tear them to pieces. I don’t know what’s happened to Bashir since he crossed the Atlantic, but he’s a pussy cat compared to some . She wouldn’t survive a minute on BBC’s Newsnight for example, (and probably wouldn’t get an apology, either) . The US would be better served with interviewers that bite, rather than the spineless acolytes that seem to abound. When she announced her presidential candidacy, her very first public interview should have finished her off. Why didn’t that happen?

  22. 22
    felidae

    I do find it incomprehensible that Martin would advocate shitting in Palin’s mouth as, judging by what comes out of it, plenty there already. I think she got her concept of slavery from Uncle Remus and Gone With The Wind

  23. 23
    Dr X

    “My role is to accept his apology and be humble enough and to, you know, accept it and move on,” Palin told the hosts of Fox & Friends on Thursday.

    It’s her role? I’d call that a direct admission of insincerity, perhaps not an intended admission, but an admission nonetheless.

  24. 24
    Moggie

    Calling yourself humble seems quite boastful to me.

  25. 25
    timgueguen

    An old Mac Davis tune likely applies to Palin’s view of herself: “Oh, Lord, it’s hard to be humble, when you’re perfect in every way.”

  26. 26
    dickspringer

    Mr. Bashir probably also advocates carrying coals to Newcastle.

  27. 27
    williamhumenansky

    So tired of Palin and all the other goofy repuglicans. Makes me want to change my mind about their right to freedom of speech when all it amounts to is freedom of stupidity. An animal this stupid would be put down.

  28. 28
    ambassadorfromverdammt

    It seemed like a practical suggestion to me. You shoot off your gun you have to reload. You shoot off your mouth . . . .

  29. 29
    petemoulton

    I think it’s a little unfair to be picking on Palin for lying. Most of what she says is so incomprehensible that truth claims are damned near impossible.

  30. 30
    cry4turtles

    I am planning to start a business. Thanks to Sarah (wink, wink), now I’ll know when to keep my mouth shut!!

  31. 31
    Michael Heath

    petemoulton writes

    I think it’s a little unfair to be picking on Palin for lying. Most of what she says is so incomprehensible that truth claims are damned near impossible.

    Lies and incoherency are not mutually exclusive attributes. The record clearly substantiates Sarah Palin’s a serial liar; it’s not even a close call. But yes, Ms. Palin’s incoherency is self-evident.

  32. 32
    robnyny

    I just want to remind people that it’s really unfair to mention that she bailed out after half a term as governor, that she pretended to be the military commander of the Alaska National Guard, and that she cut her bus tour of America short to go to jury duty. Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

  33. 33
    Crimson Clupeidae

    caseloweraz @ 18:

    It seems that, in wingnut eyes, everything the Obama administration does equates to either slavery, rape or fascism.

    Or communism, whichever you prefer (shamelessly stolen from a wingnut’s screed poseted here by Ed, and which I can’t be arsed to link to.) If only words meant something to these idiots instead of just dogwhistles. I swear to FSM, conservatives have long since passed the point of any resemblance to rationality, and remind me of that Far Side Cartoon with the dog ‘Ginger’.

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